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Re: my bookshare concerns

Juanita Martin <jordmartin@...>
 

I totally agree; I was taken in by those human sounding voices at first, but I'd rather hear a human reading; I actually like it when the authors read their books.


thermofitmom.myitworks.com

On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@samobile.net> wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Someone brought up bookshare, and maybe this is a bit off track, but I just had to say this. Now, this is only me, but I'm especially unhappy with Bookshare as I don't like the voice that you get if you put a bookshare book on a bookport or the like, and maybe i'm not the best searcher of books, but I've not found any books there that I've really been happy with, so I'm not continuing with BookShare, I'd rather have my books read by a person, just one of my little quirks, but with me being in my 7th decade, I figure I got the right. <smiles>
Any comments?
Bill K.



Re: my bookshare concerns

Carlos
 

Hi Ann,

You can feel free to discuss this topic on list so that any instructions you provide might benefit other members.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@samobile.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my bookshare concerns


Hi all,

Bill, if you want info on how to make mp3 files with another voice, let me know privately.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
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Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox

Carlos
 


I'm sure it recognizes them.  Whether it is configured to block them is a different story.  I suppose we shall see.  I haven't received a response from the owner yet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox

Maybe, the groups.io software doesn’t recognise attached text files as attachments? (There not being any graphical content.)
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox
The interesting point is that I have attachments disabled, but this one was allowed to come through for some reason.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox
 

The document, “Reviewing a Web Page With the JAWS Cursor While Using Mozilla Firefox.txt” is attached. If you have trouble with attachments, let me know. I’ll send a Dropbox link. Forgot whether this group accepts attachments or not.

 

Nance

 

 

Nancy Shackelford  --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love – Michael Reed--

 


Re: amazon fire t v and what can it do

Danny Park
 

Also, at this point it does not work with the third party apps. If you want a brief demonstration listen to the acb mainmenu podcast for May 27 to hear it.

Danny

-----Original Message-----
From: George B
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 3:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] amazon fire t v and what can it do

Hello,

What does the amazon fire now do for blind users will it read the selections
and menus and etc.
My bro. has one and updated and all he can find for it to do is talk to it
like siri but nothing is red back.

So if asked it to find law and order he got a list of law and order listings
but no way to read them

Is this not possible or can this be done now with the latest update talked
about this last week on this list.

thanks


Re: amazon fire t v and what can it do

Danny Park
 

The preview release will read all of the menus off the home screen. If you have the latest software using the remote hold down the back and menu buttons for a couple seconds and this will turn on voiceview. The back and menu buttons are the buttons at either end of the three buttons below the selection ring.

Danny

-----Original Message-----
From: George B
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 3:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] amazon fire t v and what can it do

Hello,

What does the amazon fire now do for blind users will it read the selections
and menus and etc.
My bro. has one and updated and all he can find for it to do is talk to it
like siri but nothing is red back.

So if asked it to find law and order he got a list of law and order listings
but no way to read them

Is this not possible or can this be done now with the latest update talked
about this last week on this list.

thanks


Re: installing jaws

Matt
 

Well it is all in process and I think they might stay under the separate
name but who knows since they have been bought out. I sure most anything
could happen as the process goes on. Know one will know till someone high up
in FS finds out and get the ok to tell the public. But I don't think this is
something we at this time really need to worry about.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] installing jaws

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if maybe freedom scientific was still over jaws as I thought
that maybe it was under a new company or something.

It sounds like that I probably won't need to worry about a dongle, unless I
receive one in the package.
Oh, while I'm here, they used to have a disc with instructions, and I think
I remember actually getting a braille book of some kind with my first
package. Am I way off here, or what?
thanks,
Bill K.


Re: my book share concerns

Matt
 

The amazon echo . you have not heard of it? it does all kind of things but
reading audible books , and kindle books and playing music and the list goes
on. I will dig up all the podcast on it as there is just tons of them out
there. Will put them in another email. With the subject called echo.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my book share concerns

Hi Matt,
You said . .
Hi, I like human narration myself. that is why BARD is my number one source
and then Audible and then the echo . I also like some of the other audio
books sources as well.




first of all, thanks for understaning my putting this here even though you
could have gotten on my case for putting this topic in this space, I really
do appreciate that.

You mentioned the echo, could you tell me a bit more about that? Just what
is the echo?
I didn't mention Audible, but yes, I do like audible, I just wish it was
easier to put their books on say, a victor, or maybe on a db machine. If you
know something about that, please feel free to tell me.
thanks,
bill K.


Re: installing jaws

Carolyn Arnold
 

Freedom Scientific has merged with a company called Optelec. They say
something different when you call Customer Service, but they say it
pretty fast, and I didn't catch exactly what they said. They do say
Freedom Scientific, but other stuff along with it.

I've lived in my town for 14 years, and am on the third name for my power
company and the second for my phone company, so we are just in an
evolving world.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] installing jaws

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if maybe freedom scientific was still over jaws as I
thought that maybe it was under a new company or something.

It sounds like that I probably won't need to worry about a dongle, unless
I receive one in the package.
Oh, while I'm here, they used to have a disc with instructions, and I
think I remember actually getting a braille book of some kind with my
first package. Am I way off here, or what?
thanks,
Bill K.


Re: jaws options

Gerald Levy
 

And System Access will probably never have a dictionary because Mike Calvo has stated publicly that Serotek has basically thrown in the towel as far as remaining competitive in the commercial screen reader market. Thanks largely to the popularity of NVDA and GW Micro's decision to offer Window Eyes free of charge to purchasers ofMS Office, there is really no reason for Serotek to devote resources to enhancing System Access, and indeed, Calvo has intimated that System Access might even be discontinued altogether at some point in the future.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 9:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] jaws options

Hi Robin,
Yes, as far as I know, system access does still not have a dictionary,
and in my thoughts, that's its weakest link, and one of the many
reasons why I wanted jaws back on my computer as an older guy who sorta
"grew up" with jaws if I may put it that way.
Bill K.


Re: jaws options

Carolyn Arnold
 

I can just hit Insert-D and am in the Dictionary, but also can get into
it in JAWS Manager with Insert-F2.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws options

Hi,
I'm happy to report that the jfw pronunciation dictionary does still
exist and can be found under settings manager. It is a helpful feature
for which I'm most grateful.
I'd always thought that one of the reasons offered for why System Access
hadn't implemented a pronunciation dictionary was due to its cloud based
orientation however I could be completely wrong in my remembrance of this
and perhaps they've added one more recently. I haven't gone poking
around for such as I use it so little, merely as a backup or alternative
to test the accessibility of various elements on screen from time to
time.
I believe JFW's research it feature still offers sports scores as
mentioned as well.
And again this dovetails nicely with a point Bill inspired in another
thread regarding choices and alternatives. Whether or not this is a good
thing or even a preferred thing it's becoming my experience that having
more than one tool of any kind today and especially more than one screen
reader is no longer a luxury but rather almost a necessity these days as
at any given time one can handle a given situation or on screen element
as I mentioned better or more efficiently than another. And with the
fluid state of technology especially content online I can't imagine that
the days of merely using one screen reader exclusively and achieving
ultimate functionality will return any day soon.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 7:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] jaws options

Hi Everyone,
Many thanks for your feedback on installing jaws, now I'd like to go a
bit further and ask some questions on what is your favorite jaws option.
Perhaps that's not the right word to use, so feel free to put the right
one in if you wish.
Let me give you an example. One of the things i especially hate about
system access, and I don't know if this is just mine or what, but just
almost always when I run across the word bob in a text, it doesn't say
bob at all, and one of the things I always liked about jaws is their
dictionary. I'm hoping that the dictionary still works pretty much as it
always did, but if not, could a few of you perhaps introduce me to just
how you use the dictionary these days?
Here's another good example, and this one appears in Jaws, or it did in
the early millennium anyway, and I'm talking about these 3 letter month
things like Jun and Jul which don'e sound anything like June or July, but
with the dictionary, you can make mar in to March and Jan in to January
and the like.

I also liked the facility that Jaws had with scores back in the day, and
I seriously hope that they've not removed it. So, have they added any
other fun things that you can do with jaws?

My special favorite is how you can check for updates, I really like that,
and that's absolutely the way it should be. With system access, they
don't tell you about updates, they just assume that you'll want the
update, and suddenly it's there. While I don't mind that, I bet there are
some of you who would mind it quite a lot and might want to stay with the
older version or whatever the word is.
So, use your imagination here, and if you think that your thoughts might
be just a bit off the curve, feel free to write to me directly at
billmeister@samobile.net

--
Bill Koppelmann
FACEBOOK: Bill.Koppelmann
skype: billblinkster
have a great day
and keep standing up for
God and our country


Re: my bookshare concerns

 

On Monday, June 6, 2016, 8:22 AM, Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@...> wrote:

Hi Ashley,
You asked me if I've tried Learning Ally, and I was a member of rfb,
long before they changed their name, but now that they've changed their
name, I don't quite know just how to proceed from here, if anyone has
any ideas, I'd appreciate knowing.

Also to the other person who thought that I was complaining about
Bookshare, I wasn't exactly complaining, but if I don't like the way
the books come to me, and since I do have to pay money for the service,
I'd just as soon have a service that I enjoy much better is all.
Bill K.


All you have to do is apply for a username and password then download the books to the bookshelf. There will be a download tab in which she will use to download them to your bookshelf.


Re: jaws options

Carolyn Arnold
 

I drive my dictionary crazy making it say things the way I want it to. A
good example is per se. JAWS default says it like per see, but I make it
say it like per say.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 7:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] jaws options

Hi Everyone,
Many thanks for your feedback on installing jaws, now I'd like to go a
bit further and ask some questions on what is your favorite jaws option.
Perhaps that's not the right word to use, so feel free to put the right
one in if you wish.
Let me give you an example. One of the things i especially hate about
system access, and I don't know if this is just mine or what, but just
almost always when I run across the word bob in a text, it doesn't say
bob at all, and one of the things I always liked about jaws is their
dictionary. I'm hoping that the dictionary still works pretty much as it
always did, but if not, could a few of you perhaps introduce me to just
how you use the dictionary these days?
Here's another good example, and this one appears in Jaws, or it did in
the early millennium anyway, and I'm talking about these 3 letter month
things like Jun and Jul which don'e sound anything like June or July, but
with the dictionary, you can make mar in to March and Jan in to January
and the like.

I also liked the facility that Jaws had with scores back in the day, and
I seriously hope that they've not removed it. So, have they added any
other fun things that you can do with jaws?

My special favorite is how you can check for updates, I really like that,
and that's absolutely the way it should be. With system access, they
don't tell you about updates, they just assume that you'll want the
update, and suddenly it's there. While I don't mind that, I bet there are
some of you who would mind it quite a lot and might want to stay with the
older version or whatever the word is.
So, use your imagination here, and if you think that your thoughts might
be just a bit off the curve, feel free to write to me directly at
billmeister@samobile.net

--
Bill Koppelmann
FACEBOOK: Bill.Koppelmann
skype: billblinkster
have a great day
and keep standing up for
God and our country


Re: my bookshare concerns

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Bill, if you want info on how to make mp3 files with another voice, let me know privately.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: my bookshare concerns

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Bill, you're grandfathered in. they probably have your name on file. If you must deal with "our ally" you can. They do have recorded books, but they also have a fairly, well, maybe they've changed it, complicated download procedure.

I don't deal with them on principle. they sent out a post when they changed their name that said the reason they were changing their name was that they had a certain clientele who had learning differences and they objected to the word "blind" in their name. They concentrate now on serving mostly LD folks. The whole thing smacked of self agrandisement and a desire to placate a certain part of their readership as opposed to another, creating strive. They aren't my ally any more! If they don't like blind people, then I won't deal with them.

I have to say though, that I got through college through the efforts of their volunteers, but that was forty years ago. Now they record for the learning disabled and they choose to consider the blind as second class citizens.

they keep sending me news items about this learning disabled kid and that learning disabled college student and the adult who has a job even though he has learning differences, blah, blah, blah, blah! Why don't they just call themselves recordings for the dyslexic and say what they really are? They're nobody's "ally". Phaw!!


Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Glasses for mobility.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Since I wear Dollar Store glasses, my eyes are protected. Input, such as you have given helps me to decide,. That would be distracting if the vibrated the walls. They would help if they would do that as you get to the walls, and probably other people could hear some of those sounds?
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Glasses for mobility.

Hi Carolyn, I have tried these and don’t think I would buy them. Perhaps out doors they might be of value, but indoors they buzz at a wall across the room from you.

I didn’t get a chance to try them out side, so I don’t know if they would buzz if you faced across the street from a building.

The one thing any form of glasses would do, of course, would be to protect your eyes from any projection.

Vicky

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Glasses for mobility.


Have any of you used the glasses that detect things at higher levels? Do they help? Are they fairly attractive or completely utilitarian? Any information with regard to this would be appreciated. I am giving consideration to purchasing a pair, but am reluctant to do so without some endorsements and/or enlightenment about their practicality. Thanks in advance.



Best from,



Carolyn


Re: my bookshare concerns

Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furness@...>
 

Bill,

You can download books from bookshare using kurzweil, then read them with whatever voices you have access to with k1000.

does that help?

Cait

On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@samobile.net> wrote:

Hi Anne,
You lost me for sure here as you're more of a techy person than I am I would suspect, and I'd ask you how you do all those things, but I've pretty much made up my mind on which direction I wish to go now. I just wish I'd known to talk with you a year or so ago. <crying large crocodile tears>
bill K.



Re: my bookshare concerns

Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furness@...>
 

I, for one, love book share and all the hard to find books they have, that no one else does. they also have agreements with publishers, so hot new titles get put on their site fairly quickly, versus bard, which can take a whale’s age to get up to date titles.

My preferred way to read books is braille, which, to me, is more like reading was when I could see, instead of having a book read to me via synthetic speech or a person. Book share is great for .brf books.

Having said that, I also do enjoy books when the narration is very good, so I won’t discount bard or audible, etc, for books at times, especially for fiction.

heck, I am just a book worm at heart and have always been that way, sighted or now blind.

Caitlyn

On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with your viewpoint of that voice, I wish gthey gave more options.
With your preference for books read by humans, that pretty much leaves
Bookshare out. However, I can't imagine that among their more than 400,000
titles you wouldn't find a few you'd like, but if you don't enjoy reading
them with synthesized speech, you're better off with NLS.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 1:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my bookshare concerns

Hi Everyone,
Someone brought up bookshare, and maybe this is a bit off track, but I just
had to say this. Now, this is only me, but I'm especially unhappy with
Bookshare as I don't like the voice that you get if you put a bookshare book
on a bookport or the like, and maybe i'm not the best searcher of books, but
I've not found any books there that I've really been happy with, so I'm not
continuing with BookShare, I'd rather have my books read by a person, just
one of my little quirks, but with me being in my 7th decade, I figure I got
the right. <smiles> Any comments?
Bill K.






Re: Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Oh, me too. This subject should propagate a plethora of responses don't you think.
And Carlos please not too much ghetto talk because some of us dummies would need an interpreter.
Marie
.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox

Hi all,

Yes, propagate, spread as an idea knowledge or in this case part of a
message, widely. Distribute itself.

Wonderful word, suppose it has a distinct meaning in computer
programming circles, but it is clear, to me, what you mean. Oooo, I
love good words used well.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox

Flor Lynch
 

Maybe, the groups.io software doesn’t recognise attached text files as attachments? (There not being any graphical content.)
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox
The interesting point is that I have attachments disabled, but this one was allowed to come through for some reason.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Instructions for reviewing with JAWS Cursor in Firefox
 

The document, “Reviewing a Web Page With the JAWS Cursor While Using Mozilla Firefox.txt” is attached. If you have trouble with attachments, let me know. I’ll send a Dropbox link. Forgot whether this group accepts attachments or not.

 

Nance

 

 

Nancy Shackelford  --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love – Michael Reed--

 


jaws options

Bill <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Robin,
Yes, as far as I know, system access does still not have a dictionary, and in my thoughts, that's its weakest link, and one of the many reasons why I wanted jaws back on my computer as an older guy who sorta "grew up" with jaws if I may put it that way.
Bill K.

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