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Re: HP4000K keyboard

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Curtis. One more thing about this HP 4000 keyboard,
When closing an application, can you directly press Alt+F4, or do you have
to press Fn+Alt+F4?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy [mailto:Jeremy.Richards7@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi Curtis. Try pressing Capslock+1 to turn on JAWS help.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and
go thru the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it
does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except
one tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The
keyboard has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys,
and the function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number
keys is next to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or
"insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little
keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key
function. :) I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind
bargains had advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I
got it in one day, so check your Amazon to see if the same items are
available there for just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for
prime members means you'll receive it faster than on that web site
which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer,
HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: Unzipping a RAR file

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi Veronica,

Try this....

Highlight the file.

Press Windows context menu key or press Shift F10.

Down arrow to 7Zip submenu then right arrow to show options.

Pick from available options, but you will likely want to press enter on the
3rd or 4th option which has the file name. Press enter to begin the
extraction process.

A new folder should be created with the name of the file, and focus will
likely be placed in the folder so you can up and down arrow through the
extracted files.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unzipping a RAR file

Hi Rob,

Thank you for the suggestion. I have downloaded 7zip, but unless I have
explicit instructions I am not very savvy about how to use a lot of
different programs and this one seems to be a problem for me. If you would
please could you send me instructions as to how to unzip the RAR file,
maybe off list so we would not clutter up the list. My e-mail address is
veronicaakirk@...

I could even send you the file that I need to unzip, if you would like.

Veronica


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unzipping a RAR file

Veronica Kirk <veronicaa.kirk@...> wrote:

Could someone please tell me how to unzip a RAR file?
Grab a copy of 7zip from 7-zip.org and that will open just about any
compressed format you want.


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Monte Single
 

There are 2 page scanners but they of course are more expensive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: June-19-16 12:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Gene, When scanning a book such as a textbook, only one page will fit on the scanning surface--two page scanning is not possible in this scenario.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah <mailto:bhavya.shah125@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way, fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages
are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks? If the task of scanning could also be
machine automated, that could potentially massively boost scanning
quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger perspective,
availability of high quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






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Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: Unzipping a RAR file

Veronica Kirk
 

Hi Rob,

Thank you for the suggestion. I have downloaded 7zip, but unless I have
explicit instructions I am not very savvy about how to use a lot of
different programs and this one seems to be a problem for me. If you would
please could you send me instructions as to how to unzip the RAR file,
maybe off list so we would not clutter up the list. My e-mail address is
veronicaakirk@...

I could even send you the file that I need to unzip, if you would like.

Veronica

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unzipping a RAR file

Veronica Kirk <veronicaa.kirk@...> wrote:

Could someone please tell me how to unzip a RAR file?
Grab a copy of 7zip from 7-zip.org and that will open just about any
compressed format you want.


Re: HP4000K keyboard

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Oh yeah, in order to be able to use the capslock key with this Bluetooth
keyboard, don't forget to go into jaws dialogue and set your keyboard layout
for laptop rather than desktop.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and
go thru the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it
does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except
one tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The
keyboard has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys,
and the function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number
keys is next to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or
"insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little
keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key
function. :) I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind
bargains had advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I
got it in one day, so check your Amazon to see if the same items are
available there for just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for
prime members means you'll receive it faster than on that web site
which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer,
HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: HP4000K keyboard

Matt
 

Well if you have jaws set to use the cap lock key as a jaws key.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi Curtis. Try pressing Capslock+1 to turn on JAWS help.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and
go thru the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it.
it
does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except
one tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The
keyboard has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys,
and the function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number
keys is next to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or
"insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little
keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key
function. :) I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind
bargains had advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I
got it in one day, so check your Amazon to see if the same items are
available there for just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for
prime members means you'll receive it faster than on that web site
which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis
Delzer,
HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: HP4000K keyboard

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi Curtis. Try pressing Capslock+1 to turn on JAWS help.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and
go thru the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it
does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except
one tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The
keyboard has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys,
and the function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number
keys is next to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or
"insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little
keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key
function. :) I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind
bargains had advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I
got it in one day, so check your Amazon to see if the same items are
available there for just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for
prime members means you'll receive it faster than on that web site
which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer,
HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: HP4000K keyboard

Matt
 

It works with jaws don't know about WE. I would assume it had something
similar.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

I can tell you that that doesn't fully work if you are using window eyes.
There are some keys on my laptop it won't tell me. In fact, when I press
those keys, it jumps out of training mode. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA










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Re: HP4000K keyboard

Matt
 

Yes that is it!

Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and
go thru the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it
does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except
one tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The
keyboard has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys,
and the function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number
keys is next to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or
"insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little
keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key
function. :) I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind
bargains had advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I
got it in one day, so check your Amazon to see if the same items are
available there for just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for
prime members means you'll receive it faster than on that web site
which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer,
HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: HP4000K keyboard

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi Curtis,

This is a neat little find. If I may, I'd like to ask the following
questions...

1. Does the keyboard have all 12 function keys above the number row?

2. I'm assuming there's no numpad to the right of the keyboard, right?

3. Is the FN key on the bottom row of keys to the right, or is it to the
left of the control key?

4. Can you make the task bar show by pressing right winkey+T?

5. Does pressing FN key+U simulate pressing of the Home key?
Does pressing Function key+O simulate pressing the NumPadPageUp key?

6. Assumption, I'm assuming the 6-pack of keys is missing due to space
constraints.

Don't forget that you can turn on jaws help and press various keyboard
commands to help you determine what the respective keyboard command will do.


Is this the correct link to the keyboard you posted?
Amazon.com: HP K4000 Bluetooth Keyboard
https://is.gd/bSt7Gb

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


Re: HP4000K keyboard

Curtis Delzer
 

Hi, the obvious, of course! now the question is, how to put jfw in that
mode? the insert key, 1, isn't it? Thanks!
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:07:06 -0400
"Matt" <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







Re: HP4000K keyboard

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Hi Curtis,

I don't know where the keys are, but I found out that you must hold down the
FN key to use the numeric keypad with that model.

You do have a one year warranty with HP that includes phone support.

Hopefully someone else can be more helpful.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

This was the idea behind the Pearl camera and such, right? This camera takes a snapshot of the textbook page or pages then quickly renders them. I used one, and I'm still iffy about it since its quite a sizeable contraction, and while fast at scanning and rendering OCR, it does not increase accuracy.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding. That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have already been done.
I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if
you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do
this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen
read market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school
student about our common computer science aspirations and how
assistive technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to
identify some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly
readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR
results may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and
this may sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high
quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come
only with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy
FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I
do, I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one
for an extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: HP4000K keyboard

Pamela Dominguez
 

I can tell you that that doesn't fully work if you are using window eyes. There are some keys on my laptop it won't tell me. In fact, when I press those keys, it jumps out of training mode. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA










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Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

In a university environment, lots of PDF files are actually images, so scanning or rendering via OCR will yield poor content--garbage in garbage out. At times this is the nature of digital document conversion.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

I.E. Font style/size, low-contrast, discoloration in older documents, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if
you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do
this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen
read market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school
student about our common computer science aspirations and how
assistive technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to
identify some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly
readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR
results may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and
this may sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high
quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come
only with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy
FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I
do, I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one
for an extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

So you're only proposing this topic as food for thought and not for any practical reasons in your current life, right?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you
had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Jeremy,
I understand those complexities. In fact, due to heavy use of
mathematics in academic textbooks, I wish OCR solutions could scan
those too as opposed to having to currently type it all manually.
Most of my what I am saying in this thread are far fetched desires,
that hopefully, one day will be realities...
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:
There is more to plain text; for example diagrams, pictures, charts, graphs,
and odd symbols such as mathematical symbols including the layout of the
objects on a page.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

The point is that without breaking the binding, automating a book scan for
improved accuracy as you described may not be easily accomplished. And even
such automation will not eliminate other typical factors which can interfere
with an accurate scan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






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reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
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--
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Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
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Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Gene, When scanning a book such as a textbook, only one page will fit on the scanning surface--two page scanning is not possible in this scenario.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah <mailto:bhavya.shah125@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way, fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages
are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks? If the task of scanning could also be
machine automated, that could potentially massively boost scanning
quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger perspective,
availability of high quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

There is more to plain text; for example diagrams, pictures, charts, graphs, and odd symbols such as mathematical symbols including the layout of the objects on a page.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

The point is that without breaking the binding, automating a book scan for improved accuracy as you described may not be easily accomplished. And even such automation will not eliminate other typical factors which can interfere with an accurate scan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: HP4000K keyboard

Matt
 

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA