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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

David Ferrin <df7782@...>
 

I noticed that in your original message that it required a login. I will have to create an account first, but since that other person responded on list I figured it wouldn’t hurt. When I get a chance I’ll go ahead and setup an account. The question is there any advantage to doing that other than replying to this survey?
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 
LOL click on the
link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 
I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Monte Single
 

I clicked on Vote Now and was taken to a web page where a password was required.  Sorry, not worth t the effort. I think I used narburator once in ten years.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: July-02-16 8:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I clicked on vote now but did not see any option to vote.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

LOL click on the

link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

David Ferrin <df7782@...>
 

Only when navigating the out of box experience during a windows installation. Then it is NVDA or JAWS just as soon as possible.
 

From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 
I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 


Interesting.  There should be several radio buttons which are the choices and a
"Vote"
link.

----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I clicked on vote now but did not see any option to vote.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

LOL click on the
link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


I clicked on vote now but did not see any option to vote.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

LOL click on the
link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 


Your groups.io account.  If you have never logged in to groups.io, you will have to assign a password to your account before you can log in.  LOL if you don't feel like dealing with that nonsense right now don't worry about it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Well you got to log in so what is the deal with that ? what am I logging into?!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

LOL click on the

link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Matt
 

I use it only as aback up!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Matt
 

Well you got to log in so what is the deal with that ? what am I logging into?!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

LOL click on the

link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 


Oh yes, and after you select a choice, you should also click the
"Vote"
link for your vote to be registered.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

LOL click on the
link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Matt
 

Yes don't know why from the get go their flagship browser was not totally
accessible to all the major screen readers! Like Jaws and NVDA and We and
narrator!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Gradually introducing features that most people probably won't use
because there is a better free alternative seems like effort that
could be more productively invested somewhere else for now.
Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I am not using it,
but based on the mutterings from the natives, it's barely usable with screen
readers. What is the deal behind that anyway?


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 


LOL click on the
link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.

----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I never use narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

Results

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Re: all about guns and safety was Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

James Bentley
 

Good morning,

I never said that there are more than four action types regarding revolvers. I said that there are more than four types of revolvers.

The semi auto revolver, sometimes referred to as the auto revolver is just one more type.

Here is a link to go see several models of auto revolvers...more accurately referred to as semiauto revolvers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_revolver

Matt, I won't debate with you any more about the safety of having a sixth round in a modern single action six-shooter because we appear to just disagree with each other on that subject. And, while we are disagreeing, you seem to be under the impression that the term pistol refers to only semiauto handguns. The term pistol actually refers to any handgun including revolvers. You can type the word pistol in to the search field at Wikipedia to confirm this or just use any dictionary to confirm. In fact, the word pistol shows up in history as early as the 16th centry around 3 centuries before the invention of semiauto handguns.

Now, This will definitely be my last response to this thread because I am determined to respect Carlos' very polite request to end this thread .

Anyway, I suspect that you and I will agree on 95% of all things concerning firearms and the politics related to the Second Amendment.

Regards,

James

Matt -----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Never seen a semi auto revolver! Never in my 58 years have I seen semi auto
revolver! A pistol is semi auto but that is a pistol not a revolver! Hence
it has to have a wheel in the center to become a revolver. NO there is no
need in modern day revolvers to have it set on an empty chamber but it is
still good practice to do this with single action revolvers. Why get out of
the mode of safety ? it is a safety reason and I practice safe gun use! You
can always slide in a bullet in the single action revolver if needed. Would
take less than 2 seconds to be done and this without even seeing.
Now you say there is more than 4 action type on revolvers then tell me what
they are as here is all have ever seen: Single action, double action only
and then double and single action (DASA) revolvers.
Now there is hundreds or more of make and models of these actions in these
revolvers.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

There are more than 4 different types of revolvers including semi auto
revolvers.

I haven't seen a newly manufactured single or double action revolver that
needs the hammer to sit on a fired case or empty chamber to prevent
accidental discharge in decades.

all of my single action revolvers allow the user to carry the gun with no
need to have the hammer resting on a fired case or an empty chamber. I do
not recall the name of the mechanism but a piece of steel located inside of
the gun prevents the hammer from being able to hit the primer on a live
round even if the gun is dropped on to concrete.




-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Well this is true on single action revolvers of today and it is still the
safety way is to let the hammer set on an empty chamber. Now you could do
the same for a double action as well let it set on the empty chamber but you
don't have to . As the trigger pull unless modified is usually a fairly
heavy pull anyhow. . but the safest way is not to put your finger on the
trigger till you are ready to pull it. they really have 4types of revolvers
as I know. They are single shot, single action, double action only and DASA
(Double action plus single action) another words you can just pull the
trigger or you can cock the hammer and pull the trigger. Your choice. Most
double action only does not have an external hammer.
Now I was brought up with guns and had them around me and learn at every
early age about them and how to handle them. But you need to get training on
handling them and using them as well as training on the laws and how to
protect yourself with them. it is much more than just going out and buying
gun. This is just stupid. I not a big fan of most regulation but some I am
and some I have no problem with them at all. But I don't know if we are not
sort of straying off topic and off the the subject as well so this might
need to be moved to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

You can't even pull the trigger on a single action revolver unless the
hammer is cocked back in to the firing position. You never cock the gun
unless you intend to discharge it.

Most double action revolvers do not have a safety because the gun still
needs to be cocked before it can be fired. Or, the necessary trigger
travel to discharge the gun is so great that it would be almost impossible
to accidently pull the trigger far enough to shoot the gun.

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

You can on most all pistols you cannot on revolvers the safety is not to
pull the trigger.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

I think you can lock the trigger. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

My problem with a gun would be, what if I accidently trigger it in my
pocket? Or sit on it, or whatever?
Knife, cane, spray, they're all good, but I'd be worried with a gun.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Nothing wrong with pepper spray in certain events but you don't take pepper
spray to a gun fight or a knife fight or even a baseball bat fight. If you
did you would be on the losing end of the fight for sure!
You can have lots of things in your protection tool box! Pepper spray is one
of them. But it should not be the only thing. You should have a knife ,
stun gun or Taser and a gun for sure a good old fashion hickory cane with a
good hook to it that is very pointed at the end of the hook is good or asord
cane is good. But a water gun is not much good unless you have something
besides water in it.



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi All,
Speaking of protection, I'd feel safer with a bottle of pepper spray myself,
too. I have worries about guns myself, but the good old pepper spray.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:55:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Gerald, I really hope you're just joking with all this drivel. I know one
of these so-called "blind extremists" who carries a gun and he carries it
for protection only. The times he has shot it in public was because he was
being threatened by four sighted extremist thugs also known as criminals,
who were threatening to not only rob him but cause him physical harm. He
took out his gun and shot once, straight up into the air. Yes, the
extremist thugs quickly ran away in fright and I hope they also needed to do
some laundry quickly afterward.
Who
knows what would have happened to my friend if he hadn't been legally
carrying his weapon. But I know I'm wasting my time with telling you that
as you're not for the individual and his rights but for some other agenda
instead. BTW there are more deaths due to automobile accidents than there
are due to shootings so this brings it back around to your glass half full
attitude aimed at self-driving cars which have caused how many deaths so
far...

Laz

On 7/1/16, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

That's a damn good question. Why, indeed, are some blind extremists allowed

to walk around with guns? Oh, excuse me, it's their constitutional right.
Never mind that they place the rest of us at risk. It's bad enough that
terrorists and sociopaths are allowed to buy and own firearms.
But blind
consumers as well? No wonder this country is a screwed up mess that has
become beholden to dangerous demagogues like Donald Trump.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

It is nonsense because it is simply not possible. And if the lawmakers were
so determined to put a halt to any technology that is not 100% safe and
foolproof, there are many types of technology we would not have access to in
modern society. If the lawmakers in Washington care so much about keeping
dangerous technology out of the hands of the blind, then why are there
several blind individuals who are still being allowed to legally own
firearms?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident



You may think that making self-driving cars 100% foolproof is nonsense.
But
you can bet that the lawmakers in Washington and elsewhere won't see it that
way. They will demand that self-driving vehicles be made as close to 100%
foolproof as possible before they consider enacting legislation that would
allow blind drivers to operate them without the accompaniment of a sighted
driver. That's just the realities of politics in a predominantly sighted
world.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Who knows when blind people will be allowed to manage these types of cars.
Will it be any time soon? Probably not, but there is a difference between
soon and never. But as far as I'm concerned, the other issue here is this
ridiculous assumption that somehow the technology should be or ever can be
made 100% safe and foolproof. That is just nonsense and trying to predict
the future of the technology based on one accident or even several is just
more nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


Well I usually don't or try not to look at things with a half empty blass
but a half full one. But in some cases this is just not possible. I have
to agree with him on this Gerald . It is also not just the US legislature
but from state to state. Just like all driving laws vary from state to
state..
It
is called states' rights and there forth each state will more than likely
implement it on law on driving driverless cars. I also think they would
require very special training even for the sited but certainly for the blind
person as well! I just don't see the blind being able to do this in my life
time and I hope to be here around another 30 years. I am coming up on my
58th birthday.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


It really doesn't matter what caused the accident. The bottom line is that
it will be a very long time, if ever, before blind consumers are allowed to
operate one of these gizmos by themselves. One fatal accident is still one
fatal accident too many. These vehicles must be made 100% safe and
foolproof before the powers that be in Washington will let blind drivers
behind the wheel without the accompaniment of a sighted driver in the
passenger's seat. Sorry to throw water on your parade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Again, another reflexive post of yours. There's lots of reasons why this
could have happened. It is likely these multiple car manufacturers are
using different gPS databases and supporting software, as well as other yet
to be determined reasons, so what happened here may not happen to other
researchers who are using more developed databases--the results depend on
lots of variables. The Google car has not had this type of history, and the
single accident it had was due to a human disabling the computer and taking
over the driving.

Gerald, I don't think technology is for you, so you might consider solutions
which are less stressful to you.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of those newfangled
self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the lives of us blind
consumers, not so fast. The race to develop a safe and reliable
self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently when a Tesla
all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal accident that killed
the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode. I guess it's back
to the drawing board:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesla-fat
al-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

Gerald
































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Re: update to windows 10

Carlos
 

You can choose to keep all of your programs as part of the upgrade process.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Gordon" <asg1241@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] update to windows 10


If I update to windows 10 will I have to put microsoft office and
window eyes back on my computer? Just wondered because if I have to
put everything back on it I might just wait. Thanks


update to windows 10

Amy Gordon
 

If I update to windows 10 will I have to put microsoft office and
window eyes back on my computer? Just wondered because if I have to
put everything back on it I might just wait. Thanks


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility is being improved. I guess my point is that when I'm reading about improvements to accessibility, I find it difficult to become enthusiastic about improvements to Narrator which I know I personally won't be using. And I suspect most other users who are honest with themselves know they generally won't be using them either.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Gradually introducing features that most people probably won't use because there is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I am not using it, but based on the mutterings from the natives, it's barely usable with screen readers. What is the deal behind that anyway?


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Gradually introducing features that most people probably won't use because there is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I am not using it, but based on the mutterings from the natives, it's barely usable with screen readers. What is the deal behind that anyway?


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis. Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.

Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about accessibility
means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't
incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't
accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called incredible nor
our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better rate.
And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for you to
know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your
accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?

Gene
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From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>

Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products work
for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and want
to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the opportunity
to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period ends.
We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been essential to
helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as well
as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible apps
and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
Turkish (Turkey)
More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to ensure
better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode. Scan
Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more details
about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation include
none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to send us
feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can submit
comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of our
app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility standards
is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support for
tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been many
improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team described
many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order. There are
also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision users
like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast support,
including better color combinations and the boxing of text when appearing
on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the app a
better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
resources we have already made available or will be a part of the Windows
10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t have
an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently relaunched
the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS LOCK
+ E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows Insider
and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are building
them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>


Re: Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident #article

Matt
 

Well right now you as a consumer cannot buy one I don’t think and who will know for sure till they become mainstream!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

 

Phew, I’m reading through all of these messages, and I will admit I do not know much about these cars but random thoughts pop through my head while reading some of these emails. What’s the cost for one of these cars and does that mean after the self driving cars hit main stream, it will iliminate drivers ed? Smile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 12:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

 

You are knocking down a straw man.  People generally realize that self-driving cars are not going to be here tomorrow.  But they are coming.  I don't know if it might be ten years or more.  And one serious acccident involving one design doesn't say anything about the general state of the undertaking. 

 

Was it the Apollo phase of the man on the moon project where a fire occurred in a space craft on the ground and all three astronauts were killed?  The program continued and was successful.  Of course there are going to be accidents when developing self-driving cars.  If pioneers and developers gave up when accidents occurred, we still wouldn't be using fire because this or that person's house burned down. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:17 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

 

 

For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of those newfangled self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the lives of us blind consumers, not so fast.  The race to develop a safe and reliable self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently when a Tesla all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal accident that killed the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode.  I guess it’s back to the drawing board:

 

 

Gerald

 

 

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