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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Any screen reader that keeps me on the job for as long as is possible is my preferred screen reader of choice!  Presently, that's Window-Eyes and Vocal-Eyes before it! 

 

With the so-called merger and buyouts, I am afraid I may soon lose the chance to sgtay somewhat gainfully employed as my preferred screen reader may soon be swallowed; I trust that Android can and will take over for me when this happens! 

 

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, colorado 


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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking Windows installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted assistance
the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then allowing me to
choose whether or not to use speech for the entire installation process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft shares from the
stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even though my stockholdings may
be worth nothing compared to what the big whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Pasting Text On Sites That Block It, How To Enable It #article

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

How to Enable Pasting Text on Sites That Block It
 
Some companies think they’re increasing security by disabling your ability to paste into form  fields, such as the password field. But in reality, all they’re doing is frustrating users–and  probably decreasing security  by blocking password managers. Here’s how to solve this annoyance in Chrome and Firefox.
 
Every now and then I come across sites on the Internet that prevent you from copying some or all of the text displayed to the clipboard, or even selecting it in first place using the mouse or keyboard.
 
I noticed this on a bank's site recently for example where I was not allowed to copy the bank account number to the clipboard.
 
This guide looks at methods to overcome the limitation put in place by websites on the Internet. But first, why do sites implement these restrictions in first place?
 
While reasons are provided by companies and individuals who implement the functionality on their web properties, the most likely reason is some form of copy protection.
 
Method 1: Turn off JavaScript:
 
Most websites use JavaScript to block mouse functionality. If you turn off JavaScript on the site temporarily or even permanently, you will be able to copy text displayed on it using the mouse.
 
Some websites rely on JavaScript on the other hand which means that you may run into issues doing so. Some may even refuse to display at all when JavaScript is turned off.
 
Firefox users can press F12, there on the preferences icon to disable JavaScript in the menu that opens. Chrome users can disable JavaScript in the Content settings: chrome://settings/content Internet Explorer users can turn off JavaScript in Internet Option > Security > Zone > Custom Level > Active Scripting Opera users can disable JavaScript under Websites in the Opera settings: opera://settings/ Extensions like NoScript can be useful in this regard as they block the execution of scripts as well.
 
The Extensions like NoScrip extention can be found here:
 
 
Method 2: The source
 
Another option that you have is to display the source code of the website you are on. Since it is displayed in a plain text editor it is possible to copy anything from it without restriction.
 
Simply press Ctrl-u while you are on the site to display its source code. This works in most browsers including Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.
 
It is still necessary to find the text or content that you are looking for in the source. Use Ctrl-f to jump directly to it.
 
There you may also find links to images and other contents that you could not save or copy.
 
Method 3: Extensions and scripts
 
The third and final option is most suitable if you encounter sites regularly that prohibit right-click use or text copying when you are on them, and if the methods outlined above don't work or are not really suitable.
 
RightToClick for Firefox disables JavaScript annoyances such as forbidding right-clicks or text selection on sites.
 
The extention of "RightToClick 2.9.6" can be found at this firefox add ons  page.\
 
 
RightToCopy for Chrome offers similar features.
 
This extention is found here:
 
 
You find numerous extensions for these two web browsers that remove annoyances on websites.
 
Author Martin Brinkmann
 
gHacks Tech News
 
 

A second article written by Rhiannon of the site "Daily Tech Treats" posted the following article about the same issues on June 24 2016.
 
 
*In Chrome: Use the “Don’t F*ck with Paste” Extension
 
If Chrome is your browser of choice, the easiest solution to your pasting problems is to dd the extention of "Don’t F*ck with Paste" to Chrome, and it will just work quietly in the background. It tells the browser to accept all paste events and skip any paste event handlers on the page.
 
The extention can be found at this link.
 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dont-fuck-with-
paste/nkgllhigpcljnhoakjkgaieabnkmgdkb
 
This is the code by developer Vivek Gite, in case you’re interested:
 
var allowPaste = function(e){
 
e.stopImmediatePropagation();
 
return true;
 
};
 
document.addEventListener('paste', allowPaste, true);
 
But you don’t really need to know that. It’s just a simple extension that worked for me with PayPal and Western Union (which a similar extension, Allow Copy, couldn’t fix).
 
*In Firefox: Modify Your Configuration Settings
 
Firefox users don’t need to use an extension, but instead can change the browser’s behavior in the configuration settings.
 
Head to about:config in Firefox and click the “I’ll be careful, I promise!” button to proceed past the warning.
 
firefox-config650
 
Search for dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled  in the search box. It’ll be the only option once you type in “dom.event.cl”:
 
firefox-config650-2
 
Double-click on the setting to change the value from “true” to “false”.
 
firefox-config650-3
 
Now websites can’t mess with your clipboard or block your ability to copy and paste.
 
It’s terrible that we have to jump through hoops to easily use our long passwords on many sites, but at least it only takes a couple of minutes to fix this frustration.
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Thanks. Now, sure as the world, I'll have to use it for some
reason, and now I'll know what to do.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 7:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

JAWS key+3.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog


I didn't even know JAWS had that command. What is it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

All screen-readers that are reasonably complex have a
bypass command.
JAWS has one and so does NVDA. But in Window-eyes,
because of the
keyboard layout, the bypass command has to be used
considerably more
often in many cases or the user has to change commands in
programs or
in Window-eyes.


Gene
From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

I do remember that she used to have to apply a bypass
command, which
is foreign to JAWS, so far as I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

A gross overgeneralization. In certain specific
situations,
Window-eyes may be better. They made some improvements a
year or two
ago that may help in certain specific situations. They
don't apply or
help in most. And the developers of Window-eyes adopted
nonstandard
copy and paste commands. I consider that completely
unacceptable.
You don't abandon standard Windows commands unless there
is a
compelling reason to do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

You using Edge lends credence to what a Window Eyes told
me:

She said that JAWS was mostly a better and easier to use
screen
reader, but that Window Eyes was better on the Net.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim
Wohlgamuth
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

Hi there


Marie and Group! I agree with marie and yes there is a
long way to go
to improve accessibility I am now using my computer in
ways that I
never thought I could. There are still a lot of programs
that need a
great deal of work but the fact that we are able to
discuss it at
all says a great deal for just how far accessibilty has
come. Yes I
do use Edge to a very small degree and it does work
<Nothing to write
home about though>. Yes I am using Window-Eyes and have
never really
used JAWs except when I am at the local Michigan Works
office. Oh and
I have used it to a smaller degree at the local library.
Personally I
still prefer W.E.
Although I think that is more a matter of what you are
used to using.
In any event, we will just have to wait and see just what
MicroSoft
actually comes up with before we really start
screaming<SMILE!> Just
my thoughts. Have A Good 1!
de
<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 02-Jul-16 18:00, Marie wrote:


While this is true, I have upgraded 3 computers to Win 10
with no
sighted assistance only because the improvements to
Narrator allowed
me to use it for the process. And , for one think we
should applaud
every effort made to increase accessibility. We have to
remember that
we are a small percentage of the population and I
appreciate what we
have and are able to do with the technology provided.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility
is being
improved. I guess my point is that when I'm reading about
improvements to accessibility, I find it difficult to
become
enthusiastic about improvements to Narrator which I know I
personally
won't be using. And I suspect most other users who are
honest with
themselves know they generally won't be using them either.
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<captinlogic@gmail.com <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com> >
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility
Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Gradually introducing features that most people probably
won't use
because there is a better free alternative seems like
effort that
could be more productively invested somewhere else for
now.



Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible?
I am not
using it, but based on the mutterings from the natives,
it's barely
usable with screen readers. What is the deal behind that
anyway?



























Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Monte Single
 

That's right carlos. Classic shell affects only the desktop and start menu.
Not the ribbons in office or explorer.

-----Original Message-----
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Carlos
Sent: July-03-16 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

JAWS key+3.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10

Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I didn't even know JAWS had that command. What is it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

All screen-readers that are reasonably complex have a bypass
command. JAWS has one and so does NVDA. But in
Window-eyes, because of the keyboard layout, the bypass
command has to be used considerably more often in many cases
or the user has to change commands in programs or in
Window-eyes.


Gene
From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

I do remember that she used to have to apply a bypass
command, which is foreign to JAWS, so far as I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

A gross overgeneralization. In certain specific situations,
Window-eyes may be better. They made some improvements a
year or two ago that may help in certain specific
situations. They don't apply or help in most. And the
developers of Window-eyes adopted nonstandard copy and paste
commands. I consider that completely unacceptable. You
don't abandon standard Windows commands unless there is a
compelling reason to do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

You using Edge lends credence to what a Window Eyes told me:

She said that JAWS was mostly a better and easier to use
screen reader, but that Window Eyes was better on the Net.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Wohlgamuth
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Hi there


Marie and Group! I agree with marie and yes there is a long
way to go to improve accessibility I am now using my
computer in ways that I never thought I could. There are
still a lot of programs that need a great deal of work but
the fact that we are able to discuss it at all says a
great deal for just how far accessibilty has come. Yes I
do use Edge to a very small degree and it does work <Nothing
to write home about though>. Yes I am using Window-Eyes and
have never really used JAWs except when I am at the local
Michigan Works office. Oh and I have used it to a smaller
degree at the local library. Personally I still prefer W.E.
Although I think that is more a matter of what you are used
to using. In any event, we will just have to wait and see
just what MicroSoft actually comes up with before we really
start screaming<SMILE!> Just my thoughts. Have A Good 1!
de
<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 02-Jul-16 18:00, Marie wrote:


While this is true, I have upgraded 3 computers to Win 10
with no sighted assistance only because the improvements to
Narrator allowed me to use it for the process. And , for one
think we should applaud every effort made to increase
accessibility. We have to remember that we are a small
percentage of the population and I appreciate what we have
and are able to do with the technology provided.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility
is being improved. I guess my point is that when I'm
reading about improvements to accessibility, I find it
difficult to become enthusiastic about improvements to
Narrator which I know I personally won't be using. And I
suspect most other users who are honest with themselves know
they generally won't be using them either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob"
<captinlogic@gmail.com <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com> >
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Gradually introducing features that most people probably
won't use because there is a better free alternative seems
like effort that could be more productively invested
somewhere else for now.



Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I
am not using it, but based on the mutterings from the
natives, it's barely usable with screen readers. What is the
deal behind that anyway?



























Re: Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Carlos
 

It is often included in the root directory of the main drive of many laptops in PDF format. If not, you can look for it at the manufacturer's website or in a Google search by model number.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Okay, how do I find my laptop user guide so that I can read it? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Search through your laptop user guide and look for the list of fn key
combinations.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices

I do not have "projector only," only "pc screen" which appears to be the
one selected. The others are "second screen, duplicate and extend."
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:15:20 -0700
"Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote:

Will this stick after a restart of computer?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Sigh. I just posted this one the other day and forgot about it. You can
try pressing WindowsKey+P and then select "Projector Only".
When you want to turn it back on, press WindowsKey+P again and select
"Computer Only".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Yes, most laptops should have an Fn shortcut for this which is
certainly easier. Of course, if you want to do this on a desktop,
you may have to look into more convoluted methods like DEVCON.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


That DEVCON resource looks really cool.

I suggest try path of least resistance first and give the backlight
suggestion a read, and if it does nothing for you, then try the more
involved suggestions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It should be possible to create a shortcut/hotkey which would
disable the display and still allow you to continue using the
computer with the DEVCON http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.php
utility, but the command would be machine specific since it uses
hardware IDs to disable devices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


I think the person wants to turn off the monitor and continue using
his/her computer. This tool and the previous will turn off the
monitor, but once a key is pressed, the monitor will probably turn
back on. These two tips are more of a sleep mode for the monitor
rather than a way of permanently turning off monitor.

Again, try the solution I suggested and hopefully your laptop user
manual will contain information as to how to permanently turn off
backlight of your computer.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Or this utility.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Launchers-Shutdown-Tools/Turn-Of
f-
Monitor-Factormystic.shtml

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Carlos, do you have any experience with any of those third-party
utility.
I am really concerned about this issue


On 11/06/2016 8:05 AM, Carlos wrote:


There may be some third-party utilities which can do this, but short
of Fn key shortcuts on laptops or completely disabling the display
in Device Manager, there is no way that is built-in to Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Kimsan, first of all, I have an HP notebook. I doubt this method
would turnoff display, however it would turn back on, when I start
using the notebook. correct me if I am wrong. I want to do it like
the screen



Curtain on I phone. I do appreciate any tips on this matter & I
wouldn't mind testing & experimenting, since I have Toolwiz Time Freeze
installed.



On 10/06/2016 10:29 PM, Kimsan wrote:


What laptop/brand you have?
The fn key with one of the function keys might do this, however, I
would hate for you to fn and press a function key and not knowing
what will occur, as your machine might blow up.
On my Lenovo laptop, it's fn f9 to turn off the display. Not saying
yours is the same, so I recommend consulting the manual for your laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sachin
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Hello everyone, the subject line says it all. I am concerned about
this because of some privacy issues.

thanks in advance
































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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

I don't think Classic Shells removes the ribbons. We tried it for a day or two. My husband was not used to 7. Neither of us ever had it, went from XP to 8 for him and to 10 for me. Both of us have 10 as is now. We took the Classic Shell off.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

You said classic shell doesn’t make it so there are not ribbons? I thought that was one of the things it was supposed to do. Pam.

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
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No, I doubt that anything short of software as intrusive as a screen reader can do that.

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This classic shell of which you speak of does it take the ribbons out from windows explorer or whatever it’s called in windows 10?

I normally can get along with the ribbons but good lord it’s confusing in the aforementioned location…



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In my case Classic Shell

http://www.classicshell.net/

took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of Windows.

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Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7



I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe




How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


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<http://www.techsupportalert.com/files/images/techtreats/Windows7_0.jpg> If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-windows-8-start-menu-replacement.htm> made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

* Windows 7 like Start Menu
* Aero Glass Transparency
* Disable the Lock Screen
* Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
* Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
* Disable Quick Access
* Disable Action Center
* Install desktop gadgets
* Get Windows 7 like folders
* Uninstall and remove Edge browser
* Get rid of default modern apps
* Use a local account to sign in
* Enable the classic Personalization window
* Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine <http://www.infoworld.com/article/3053701/microsoft-windows/block-windows-10-forced-updates-without-breaking-your-machine-part-2.html>
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good <http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-windows-10-annoyances-how-to-make-them-go-away-for-good/>

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-classic-windows-7-games-windows-8-and-10-free.htm> .


15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7 <http://www.intowindows.com/make-windows-10-look-like-windows-7/>



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Submitted by Jojo Yee <wlmailhtml:/users/jojoyee> on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein <wlmailhtml:/users/eikelein> on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

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Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee <wlmailhtml:/users/jojoyee> on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

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Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein <wlmailhtml:/users/eikelein> on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

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Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

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eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

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Submitted by eikelein <wlmailhtml:/users/eikelein> on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

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eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy <wlmailhtml:/users/midnightcowboy> on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

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There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

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It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee <wlmailhtml:/users/jojoyee> on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

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True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

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How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes <wlmailhtml:/users/these-old-eyes> on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

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Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon <wlmailhtml:/users/rhiannon> on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

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This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal... <http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personalization-settings/>

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Submitted by abrandt <wlmailhtml:/users/abrandt> on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

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Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt <wlmailhtml:/users/abrandt> on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

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Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein <wlmailhtml:/users/eikelein> on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy <wlmailhtml:/users/midnightcowboy> on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-... <http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-popular-lightweight-linux-distros-1295034>

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Submitted by rhiannon <wlmailhtml:/users/rhiannon> on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-virtualization-solutions.htm>

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt <wlmailhtml:/users/abrandt> on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon <wlmailhtml:/users/rhiannon> on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint <http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/>

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Submitted by abrandt <wlmailhtml:/users/abrandt> on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt <wlmailhtml:/users/abrandt> on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon <wlmailhtml:/users/rhiannon> on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy <wlmailhtml:/users/midnightcowboy> on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 <wlmailhtml:/users/ron525> on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Pamela Dominguez
 

Okay, how do I find my laptop user guide so that I can read it? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Search through your laptop user guide and look for the list of fn key
combinations.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices

I do not have "projector only," only "pc screen" which appears to be the
one selected. The others are "second screen, duplicate and extend."
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:15:20 -0700
"Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote:

Will this stick after a restart of computer?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Sigh. I just posted this one the other day and forgot about it. You can
try pressing WindowsKey+P and then select "Projector Only".
When you want to turn it back on, press WindowsKey+P again and select
"Computer Only".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Yes, most laptops should have an Fn shortcut for this which is
certainly easier. Of course, if you want to do this on a desktop,
you may have to look into more convoluted methods like DEVCON.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


That DEVCON resource looks really cool.

I suggest try path of least resistance first and give the backlight
suggestion a read, and if it does nothing for you, then try the more
involved suggestions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It should be possible to create a shortcut/hotkey which would
disable the display and still allow you to continue using the
computer with the DEVCON http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.php
utility, but the command would be machine specific since it uses
hardware IDs to disable devices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


I think the person wants to turn off the monitor and continue using
his/her computer. This tool and the previous will turn off the
monitor, but once a key is pressed, the monitor will probably turn
back on. These two tips are more of a sleep mode for the monitor
rather than a way of permanently turning off monitor.

Again, try the solution I suggested and hopefully your laptop user
manual will contain information as to how to permanently turn off
backlight of your computer.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Or this utility.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Launchers-Shutdown-Tools/Turn-Of
f-
Monitor-Factormystic.shtml

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Carlos, do you have any experience with any of those third-party
utility.
I am really concerned about this issue


On 11/06/2016 8:05 AM, Carlos wrote:


There may be some third-party utilities which can do this, but short
of Fn key shortcuts on laptops or completely disabling the display
in Device Manager, there is no way that is built-in to Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Kimsan, first of all, I have an HP notebook. I doubt this method
would turnoff display, however it would turn back on, when I start
using the notebook. correct me if I am wrong. I want to do it like
the screen



Curtain on I phone. I do appreciate any tips on this matter & I
wouldn't mind testing & experimenting, since I have Toolwiz Time Freeze
installed.



On 10/06/2016 10:29 PM, Kimsan wrote:


What laptop/brand you have?
The fn key with one of the function keys might do this, however, I
would hate for you to fn and press a function key and not knowing
what will occur, as your machine might blow up.
On my Lenovo laptop, it's fn f9 to turn off the display. Not saying
yours is the same, so I recommend consulting the manual for your laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sachin
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Hello everyone, the subject line says it all. I am concerned about
this because of some privacy issues.

thanks in advance
































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Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Pamela Dominguez
 

Also, these days, if you have the serial number, they can quight often look up the information themselves.  Pam.
 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
yes, I save the sales receipt.  Staple the receipt to the warranty card and I have a letter of explanation in the computer I can change the dates on, and I'm ready to put it in a boxand send it off to Arizona for replacement.  Since I use two of these scales simultaneously, I've gotten them replaced free of charge several times, saving a lot of money on replacing the scales.  Might I also suggest scanning in the receipt so it can be reproduced whenever you need it.
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
 
In fact, my Phoenix talking bathroom scale is covered by My Weigh’s 30-year warranty.  But returning it to them for a replacement isn’t worth the hassle.  Besides, I can’t find the sales receipt, which is required, and the merchant I purchased it from no longer has a record of the transaction on its site, so I’m out of luck.  It has been my experience that such generous warranties are of little practical value because they usually require jumping through a lot of hoops or spending almost as much for shipping and service charges as the cost of buying a new unit. Do you know anyone who saves a sales receipt or original packing carton for 30years?  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
Geraldd,  I use the My Weigh talking kitchen scales, which come with a 30 year warranty.  Since I weigh out dry chemicals for my work, they frequently begin to ddecline from the airborn chemicals that play havoc with the button switches.  I'd almost bet you the bathroom scales carry a similar warranty, and you can get a replacement.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:26 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
 
Happy Independence Day holiday, gang.  Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident.  But let’s get back to practical technology.  This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead.  I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck.  So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use.  Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products.  I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews.  Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech?  Are there any other models you guys would recommend?  Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names.  Thanks for your feedback. 
 
Gerald
 
 

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Re: heard a rumor

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

No, what I mean is, say I had an android device, and bought the app. Then, I buy an iPhone. Do the developers, just like sendero group between senseNav and brailleNote GPS give a transfer?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:50:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

No you can't IOS and android are 2 different platforms. Google is the
reason why the app is so cheep.

On 7/3/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So, curious. If you buy the app for android, can you ask for a
transfer, through the KNFB support? Its 50 quid in the UK, even
after the price is lowered, and honestly, I can't believe that
the app would be that great.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

This is true.

On 7/3/16, James Hooper <j.hooper3272@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone posted on twitter google is selling knfb reader for 19
bucks
anyone
clarify?




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Re: heard a rumor

Lenron
 

Cheers to google for this one.

On 7/3/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is a good deal as the app is worth every penny of it. It is the
only OCR I use and it does just about anything I want! I would say it does
90 to 95 percent of what I need it to do in most cases.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Donna
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

The KNFB Reader price has been cut by 35% in the app store from July 1st to
July 7th.

The app is a bit pricey even when on sale. But it is the Best OCR app that
I
have found that is very accurate when scanning documents.

Donna

On Jul 3, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Laz <laz@talkingmp3players.com> wrote:

Did so earlier today and yes, it is true. Google is helping out and
knocking 80% off the full price so one can get it for just $19.99.
Perhaps Apple should follow in Google's footprints?

Laz

On 7/3/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never seen the KNFB reader for 19 bucks and have doubt on
that! It is usually 99 bucks US dollars and when on sale it is usually
around 75 bucks .
It might be cheaper on the Android platform but not by a huge amount
. I would doubt this 19 bucks thing. You got an android device go to
the google store and see.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

No you can't IOS and android are 2 different platforms. Google is the
reason why the app is so cheap.

On 7/3/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So, curious. If you buy the app for android, can you ask for a
transfer, through the KNFB support? Its 50 quid in the UK, even
after the price is lowered, and honestly, I can't believe that the
app would be that great.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

This is true.

On 7/3/16, James Hooper <j.hooper3272@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone posted on twitter google is selling knfb reader for 19
bucks anyone clarify?




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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

JAWS key+3.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I didn't even know JAWS had that command. What is it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

All screen-readers that are reasonably complex have a bypass
command. JAWS has one and so does NVDA. But in
Window-eyes, because of the keyboard layout, the bypass
command has to be used considerably more often in many cases
or the user has to change commands in programs or in
Window-eyes.


Gene
From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

I do remember that she used to have to apply a bypass
command, which is foreign to JAWS, so far as I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

A gross overgeneralization. In certain specific situations,
Window-eyes may be better. They made some improvements a
year or two ago that may help in certain specific
situations. They don't apply or help in most. And the
developers of Window-eyes adopted nonstandard copy and paste
commands. I consider that completely unacceptable. You
don't abandon standard Windows commands unless there is a
compelling reason to do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

You using Edge lends credence to what a Window Eyes told me:

She said that JAWS was mostly a better and easier to use
screen reader, but that Window Eyes was better on the Net.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Wohlgamuth
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Hi there


Marie and Group! I agree with marie and yes there is a long
way to go to improve accessibility I am now using my
computer in ways that I never thought I could. There are
still a lot of programs that need a great deal of work but
the fact that we are able to discuss it at all says a
great deal for just how far accessibilty has come. Yes I
do use Edge to a very small degree and it does work <Nothing
to write home about though>. Yes I am using Window-Eyes and
have never really used JAWs except when I am at the local
Michigan Works office. Oh and I have used it to a smaller
degree at the local library. Personally I still prefer W.E.
Although I think that is more a matter of what you are used
to using. In any event, we will just have to wait and see
just what MicroSoft actually comes up with before we really
start screaming<SMILE!> Just my thoughts. Have A Good 1!
de
<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 02-Jul-16 18:00, Marie wrote:


While this is true, I have upgraded 3 computers to Win 10
with no sighted assistance only because the improvements to
Narrator allowed me to use it for the process. And , for one
think we should applaud every effort made to increase
accessibility. We have to remember that we are a small
percentage of the population and I appreciate what we have
and are able to do with the technology provided.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility
is being improved. I guess my point is that when I'm
reading about improvements to accessibility, I find it
difficult to become enthusiastic about improvements to
Narrator which I know I personally won't be using. And I
suspect most other users who are honest with themselves know
they generally won't be using them either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob"
<captinlogic@gmail.com <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com> >
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
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Accessibility Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Gradually introducing features that most people probably
won't use because there is a better free alternative seems
like effort that could be more productively invested
somewhere else for now.



Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I
am not using it, but based on the mutterings from the
natives, it's barely usable with screen readers. What is the
deal behind that anyway?


























Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

I didn't even know JAWS had that command. What is it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

All screen-readers that are reasonably complex have a bypass
command. JAWS has one and so does NVDA. But in
Window-eyes, because of the keyboard layout, the bypass
command has to be used considerably more often in many cases
or the user has to change commands in programs or in
Window-eyes.


Gene
From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

I do remember that she used to have to apply a bypass
command, which is foreign to JAWS, so far as I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

A gross overgeneralization. In certain specific situations,
Window-eyes may be better. They made some improvements a
year or two ago that may help in certain specific
situations. They don't apply or help in most. And the
developers of Window-eyes adopted nonstandard copy and paste
commands. I consider that completely unacceptable. You
don't abandon standard Windows commands unless there is a
compelling reason to do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

You using Edge lends credence to what a Window Eyes told me:

She said that JAWS was mostly a better and easier to use
screen reader, but that Window Eyes was better on the Net.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Wohlgamuth
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Hi there


Marie and Group! I agree with marie and yes there is a long
way to go to improve accessibility I am now using my
computer in ways that I never thought I could. There are
still a lot of programs that need a great deal of work but
the fact that we are able to discuss it at all says a
great deal for just how far accessibilty has come. Yes I
do use Edge to a very small degree and it does work <Nothing
to write home about though>. Yes I am using Window-Eyes and
have never really used JAWs except when I am at the local
Michigan Works office. Oh and I have used it to a smaller
degree at the local library. Personally I still prefer W.E.
Although I think that is more a matter of what you are used
to using. In any event, we will just have to wait and see
just what MicroSoft actually comes up with before we really
start screaming<SMILE!> Just my thoughts. Have A Good 1!
de
<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 02-Jul-16 18:00, Marie wrote:


While this is true, I have upgraded 3 computers to Win 10
with no sighted assistance only because the improvements to
Narrator allowed me to use it for the process. And , for one
think we should applaud every effort made to increase
accessibility. We have to remember that we are a small
percentage of the population and I appreciate what we have
and are able to do with the technology provided.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility
is being improved. I guess my point is that when I'm
reading about improvements to accessibility, I find it
difficult to become enthusiastic about improvements to
Narrator which I know I personally won't be using. And I
suspect most other users who are honest with themselves know
they generally won't be using them either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob"
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<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com> >
<mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
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<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility
with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft
Accessibility Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Gradually introducing features that most people probably
won't use because there is a better free alternative seems
like effort that could be more productively invested
somewhere else for now.



Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I
am not using it, but based on the mutterings from the
natives, it's barely usable with screen readers. What is the
deal behind that anyway?


Re: heard a rumor

Brent Harding
 

I would imagine that Google is just eating the rest of the cost and paying KNFB the rest anyways. Otherwise, the two to agree on a deal meeting in the middle on it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor


Did so earlier today and yes, it is true. Google is helping out and
knocking 80% off the full price so one can get it for just $19.99.
Perhaps Apple should follow in Google's footprints?

Laz

On 7/3/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never seen the KNFB reader for 19 bucks and have doubt on that! It is
usually 99 bucks US dollars and when on sale it is usually around 75 bucks .
It might be cheaper on the Android platform but not by a huge amount . I
would doubt this 19 bucks thing. You got an android device go to the google
store and see.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lenron
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

No you can't IOS and android are 2 different platforms. Google is the reason
why the app is so cheep.

On 7/3/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So, curious. If you buy the app for android, can you ask for a
transfer, through the KNFB support? Its 50 quid in the UK, even after
the price is lowered, and honestly, I can't believe that the app would
be that great.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

This is true.

On 7/3/16, James Hooper <j.hooper3272@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone posted on twitter google is selling knfb reader for 19 bucks
anyone clarify?




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Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Carlos
 


Hi Jim,
 
As I said, accessible technology and accessibility in general are the primary focus of the list because those are the subjects in which members are most interested, but I consider it a general technology discussion list so topics relating to other types of technology are acceptable within reason.  However, I don't think you have to worry that the list is going to suddenly be overwhelmed by such discussions.  They don't come up very often and I will also occasionally request that a topic be closed or moved to the chat subgroup  if I believe a particular thread has been dragging on for too long.  I understand that this choice may not please everyone, but in my opinion there are already several lists which focus exclusively on discussing only accessible technology.  Broadening this lists scope a bit makes it more interesting and should not significantly impact accessible technology related discussions.  This has been my standpoint since the list was first created and as you can see, the majority of discussions are still related to accessible technology despite any opinions I have expressed.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Hi there Folks!

I wasn't referring to technology specifically, but I thought the purpose of this list was to discuss technology as well as making this technology accessible.  Correct me if I am wrong about that.


On 02-Jul-16 14:15, Matt wrote:
Totally agree !




Matt.from.florida@...
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

I honestly can't understand why some people have such a narrow definition of the word technology.  The word technology is not a synonym for computer.  While I can understand that is usually the primary interest of discussion on such lists, I figured there were enough lists which exclusively discuss computer technology that trying to keep this list a bit more flexible wouldn't be considered unreasonable.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Hi there Folks!

Wonder what this topic has to do with technology and accessibility? To my knowledge they do not make a gun with any sort of blindness technology-or do they..? I really do wish we could get this list back on topic and leave the gun talk to the chat list.  Personally I am 60 years old and have never owned a gun-and probably never will.  If I were to own a gun it would be somethihng like a shotgun so that if I actually had to shoot at someone in self defense, I might have a chance of hitting them.  We really don't need a bunch of Barney Fifes shooting themselves in the foot<SMILE!>.          I know there are folks out there who use guns responsibly and that is most of them.

  But I wonder just how many gun owners are blind or legally blind? Anyone no any stats on that?  Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.
On 02-Jul-16 12:32, James Bentley wrote:
What's insane is that the general public can purchase a version of this sniper rifle that hits a very small target at over half a mile.

Yikes,  I think I will just stay in the house with the blinds drrawn.



-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Wow! that is freakin insane!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

The United States military has a computerized rifle and scope combination.
It first takes a photo of the entire target area.  Next, the shooter uses a
cursor on a touch screen to tell the computer where to put the bullet.
Next, the shooter aims at the target.  The computer fires the rifle only
when it sees that the rifle is aimed with pin point accuracy.  3 inch
Targets can be hit accurately at distances over two miles.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Finally, a relevant informative post. Thank you for contributing to my small
pool of knowledge. :)

And while on the subject matter, I'm thinking an audio beep of some sort
might be able to alert the blind shooter than the object of interest is
within the cross hairs of scope. Key will be determining what is target
object and what is some sort of artifact.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

There is now what some are calling a smart rifle, out of Texas. At $25,000,
it's beyond the reach of most enthusiasts, but it can fetch that price for
the level of precision it can automatically adjust to help the shooter
acquire a target. If technology has leaped that far, one can almost wonder
what credit, if any, the shooter gets, but my question is this: What
technology have the hunters among us used to rely a little less on sighted
assistance? I go deer hunting, but thus far I have leaned heavily on
discrete cues from sighted companions to know where and when to fire. It's
not a bad method. I've brought down three bucks in this fashion, and while
hunting can often be enjoyed with companions, it would be nice to
independently, but responsibly, engage and execute the target myself. Right
now I use a laser to help my sighted companions get a better sense of where
I am aiming. This allows me to hold and operate the rifle on my own, but
again, it feels inefficient. Any tips would be welcomed.

I'll note that while I am a member of a local shooting range, I have
hesitated to obtain a gun permit. I understand my shooting would be optimal
at very close range, but the risk of hitting someone innocent, however
small, still weighs on my conscience.

I realize for some the discussion of guns and hunting could be abhorrent. If
so, feel free to email me off list. For whatever it's worth, I eat what I
kill. I've never gone hunting for the mere sport. I've learned how to skin
my own kill, and I suppose one could argue the knife skill in doing so could
itself be viewed as a form of technology skill.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but any number of disasters could occur
in our lifetime and in our own backyard. In a scenario with no power and
extensive food shortage, that Windows machine isn't going to be worth a
whole lot except for maybe scrap metal. Our definition of "technology" just
might revert to what technology used to be. That is, the means to survive.

Best,

Joe

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Re: GNU General Public License was: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Carlos
 


Hi Joseph,
 
Feel free to keep us updated on the UI Automation issue and any other tech related subjects which are noteworthy in your opinion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: GNU General Public License was: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Hi everyone,

Trying to piece together various information at the moment…

 

GNU GPL (general Public License) basically gives copyright owners freedom to redistribute binaries and source code. Contrary to some opinions expressed here, GPL-licensed programs do have copyright owners, and they do license their works under GPL if they choose. In case of NVDA, the actual copyright is held by Michael Curran, James Teh and others at NV Access, with portions of code copyrighted by respective contributors (including I; I’m the one who wrote manifest support for Windows 10 and am the author of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (thus I promised to provide Windows 10 support in any form), laid the foundation for Outlook Calendar support, have collaborated with APH and others on UEB table set used in JAWS 17 and NVDA, and let you turn off startup sound; all my contributions were licensed under GPL because of overall license in effect). In case of works included in another program, the program that includes a particular module ask that the module obey the overall license in use (that’s why NVDA add-ons are licensed under GPL and the add-ons community expects to see the source code for review purposes). Some GPL copyright holders do ask that modified works are released to the public and sent upstream so they can be included in the original if derivative work writers choose to.

 

As for the possibility of Microsoft working on NVDA: highly unlikely. In order for that to happen, the following must take place:

 

1.       Microsoft must approach NV Access with a proposal to buy it outright.

2.       NV Access must ask stakeholders (contributors and users) about this proposal.

3.       Microsoft and NV Access must come up with a business plan for an orderly transition, including positions Mick, Jamie and others will receive at Microsoft, licensing and others.

4.       Microsoft, if told by NV Access, must commit to releasing source code licensed under GPL.

 

However, given the current atmosphere, it is highly unlikely:

 

1.       NV Access is rather concerned about recent accessibility API implementations (UI Automation to be exact). Part of our work (us as in NV Access, I and other contributors) has been hunting for UIA implementation issues. A notable case was redesigned User Account Control in Insider builds where NVDA did not announce UAC prompts until last week (I wrote the patch for it, sent upstream, reviewed and was given high priority for inclusion in 2016.3; for now, next snapshot users can work with UAC prompts in Redstone). Currently, NVDA does not read toast notifications in Redstone due to the fact that this control does not tell screen readers that a toast has appeared (not only it affects NVDA, but also affects JAWS, Window-Eyes and others declaring support for Windows 10; the exception is Narrator). I’d be happy to go into exact details upon request and explain why screen reader vendors such as VFO, NV Access and others are concerned about UIA specs versus actual implementation, and in case of VFO, why JAWS does not support Edge properly and cannot do so for another few months (suffice to say that Microsoft has changed certain UIA attributes used by Edge and related controls; let me know if you want me to tell you what exactly is going on, as I believe you should not be left in the dark as to the current state of Edge accessibility; Narrator and NVDA does support Edge to some extent).

2.       Users’ attitudes toward Microsoft is mixed. Some praise it, others show public concern.

 

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

That is not usually how open source works.  Joseph probably knows more about this subject, but NVDA is currently covered buy the GPLv2

license.  I believe this means that Microsoft could choose to create their own fork of NVDA and make what ever changes they like without having to buy it from the developers, but any code they released for NVDA would also have to be made available as open source and covered by the GPLv2 license.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

They would buy it from the developers of NVDA the same one that takes donation for NVDA! Just because it is open source does not mean it don’t have an owner! But I just throwing things out there I don’t expect MS to buy no screen reader at all. I think they are going to continue with Narrator ! They have too much time invested in it at this point! But who knows never know!

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

As NVDA is open source, who would they buy it from? MS taking over NVDA doesn’t appear to be a good idea. Look at what’s happened to Skype since MS took that over? It’s become inefficient, and you’ve got to wait sometimes for an auto-update to complete, which takes a few minutes, before you can make that all-important scheduled call!  Also, Skype has suffered some outages in recent times, something that never happened in the ‘good old days’.

 

From: Matt

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well like I say MS might have other plans for it it is nice to have a fully integrated screen reader in the OS. Now maybe they will buy NVDA and dump Narrator! That is buy NVDA and keep the NVDA team as well!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use Narrator on a daily basis?  The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency or to finish setting up Windows.  It is useful and convenient to have, but for most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary screen reader.  These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen readers will most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go before it can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time and effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other areas.  If NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like wasted effort.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.  I will not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below. 


Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog?  Being passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release. 

 

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better rate.  And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for you to know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 


> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/ <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>
> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>
> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world, Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products work for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and want to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the opportunity to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period ends. We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>
> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been essential to helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as well as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible apps and experiences.
>
> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>
> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes include:
>
> Faster text to speech voices
>
> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800 words per minute.
>
> New languages in Narrator
>
> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be available either with the corresponding international version of Windows or will be available for download.
>
> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
> Turkish (Turkey)
> More familiar keyboard navigation
>
> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to ensure better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>
> Introducing scan mode
>
> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode. Scan Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>
> Six levels of verbosity
>
> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more details about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get varying indications of other text properties, like text color or formatting.
>
> Punctuation Modes
>
> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation include none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>
> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>
> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio indication when these suggestions are available.
>
> Feedback made easy
>
> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to send us feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can submit comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>
> User guides and documentation
>
> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the Anniversary Update is released.
>
> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>
> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of our app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the notable highlights.
>
> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>
> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility standards is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the transition to this new platform.
>
> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support for tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>
> Mail
>
> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been many improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team described many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup experience when using a screen reader.
>
> Cortana
>
> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard, including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order. There are also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>
> Groove
>
> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision users like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast support, including better color combinations and the boxing of text when appearing on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the app a better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>
> Making accessibility easier for developers
>
> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer resources we have already made available or will be a part of the Windows 10 anniversary Update.
>
> New Tools
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> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find, triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t have an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator. Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>
> XAML Improvements
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> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in order to activate the purchase button.
>
> Improved Documentation
>
> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently relaunched the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and sample code for accessibility.
>
> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS LOCK + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows Insider and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are building them.
>
> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>
> Windows
>
> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10 <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10 <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
> Microsoft Edge
>
> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
> Building a More Accessible Web Platform <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
> Developers
>
> Accessibility Design guidelines <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
> Accessibility Developer Hub <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have had company mess up my scales because of that step off then back on.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

Now that is nice as the one I have you have to step off them and back on them to hear the results. Of course visual people don't have this problem. Now what does it do announce the results continualness or every so often or what ?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

Speak to me has some bathroom scales for $34, and you don't have to step off them then back on to them.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 9:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale


Happy Independence Day holiday, gang. Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident. But let’s get back to practical technology. This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead. I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck. So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use. Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products. I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews. Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech? Are there any other models you guys would recommend? Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names. Thanks for your feedback.

Gerald


Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carlos
 


No, Classic Shell restores several features from previous versions of Windows, but it does nothing about ribbons as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

You said classic shell doesn’t make it so there are not ribbons?  I thought that was one of the things it was supposed to do.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7
 
No, I doubt that anything short of software as intrusive as a screen reader can do that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7
 

This classic shell of which you speak of does it take the ribbons out from windows explorer or whatever it’s called in windows 10?

I normally can get along with the ribbons but good lord it’s confusing in the aforementioned location…

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 2:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

 

In my case Classic Shell

took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of Windows.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

 

I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe

 

How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

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Windows 7 screenshotIf you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

  • Windows 7 like Start Menu
  • Aero Glass Transparency
  • Disable the Lock Screen
  • Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
  • Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
  • Disable Quick Access
  • Disable Action Center
  • Install desktop gadgets
  • Get Windows 7 like folders
  • Uninstall and remove Edge browser
  • Get rid of default modern apps
  • Use a local account to sign in
  • Enable the classic Personalization window
  • Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
 

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

(127001)

Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

(126968)

Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

(126969)

There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

(126962)

There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

(126963)

rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

(126964)

If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

(126965)

rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

(126951)

Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

(126956)

You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

(126973)

I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

(126975)

It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

(126947)

I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

(126950)

Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

(126974)

I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

(126944)

Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

(126945)

I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Sugar
 

I got mine from Maxi Aides and it’s been 10 years now and she has a brittish accent, so it works both in lbs and in kilos and works great! It takes a 9 volt(square) battery.

 

 

‘Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.’

Sugar

 

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty Recipes:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

Hello Gerald,

 

I purchase two American Weigh 330CVS scales for Christmas gifts in December 2014.  Both stopped working in less than 8 months.  American weigh replaced both units and one stopped working in less than one month and the other scale got stuck away in a closet because the user did not like the distortion with the scales speech. 

 

I wish I could make a decent suggestion but I recommend that you stay away from American Weigh.

 

James

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:26 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

 

Happy Independence Day holiday, gang.  Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident.  But let’s get back to practical technology.  This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead.  I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck.  So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use.  Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products.  I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews.  Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech?  Are there any other models you guys would recommend?  Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names.  Thanks for your feedback. 

 

Gerald

 

 


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Re: heard a rumor

Matt
 

Well that is a good deal as the app is worth every penny of it. It is the
only OCR I use and it does just about anything I want! I would say it does
90 to 95 percent of what I need it to do in most cases.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Donna
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

The KNFB Reader price has been cut by 35% in the app store from July 1st to
July 7th.

The app is a bit pricey even when on sale. But it is the Best OCR app that I
have found that is very accurate when scanning documents.

Donna

On Jul 3, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Laz <laz@talkingmp3players.com> wrote:

Did so earlier today and yes, it is true. Google is helping out and
knocking 80% off the full price so one can get it for just $19.99.
Perhaps Apple should follow in Google's footprints?

Laz

On 7/3/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never seen the KNFB reader for 19 bucks and have doubt on
that! It is usually 99 bucks US dollars and when on sale it is usually
around 75 bucks .
It might be cheaper on the Android platform but not by a huge amount
. I would doubt this 19 bucks thing. You got an android device go to
the google store and see.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

No you can't IOS and android are 2 different platforms. Google is the
reason why the app is so cheap.

On 7/3/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So, curious. If you buy the app for android, can you ask for a
transfer, through the KNFB support? Its 50 quid in the UK, even
after the price is lowered, and honestly, I can't believe that the
app would be that great.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] heard a rumor

This is true.

On 7/3/16, James Hooper <j.hooper3272@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone posted on twitter google is selling knfb reader for 19
bucks anyone clarify?




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