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Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I was reading from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be changed, you can imagine my reaction.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the
bottom of the screen (explore by touch near the home button)
flick to the left till you come to the first email. Then, when
you delete that email, it should open the next oldest one,
although the next and previous buttons respectively, should do
what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the
mail app iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in
most
cases is the originator of the thread at the bottom of the
thread. Can
you please direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible
way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

Bharat
 

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the
bottom of the screen (explore by touch near the home button)
flick to the left till you come to the first email. Then, when
you delete that email, it should open the next oldest one,
although the next and previous buttons respectively, should do
what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the
mail app iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in
most
cases is the originator of the thread at the bottom of the
thread. Can
you please direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible
way?

thank you,

bharat.







Re: guide dog question?

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Well, you can apply as of 16, if that helps.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy Inglis" <william.inglis72@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 09:04:36 +0100
Subject: [TechTalk] guide dog question?

hi guys, Hope this is not a silly question.
I have a 15 year old niece, and we are considering applying for her to
have guide dog training.
The question is: Would she be too young at 15 years of age to apply for
a guide dog in the UK?


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the bottom of the screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left till you come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it should open the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons respectively, should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most
cases is the originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can
you please direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
If you know what you're doing, you can have a bit of freedom. I've installed things on the iPhone before, which then needed iTunes, but while Still was doing the experiments, I was aware of what could happen. If you know what can happen, and are prepared to climb out of it, I can't see why you shouldn't experiment.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:48:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating system for
that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it will not boot for
any number of reasons which have nothing to do with the quality of your
hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute my
"luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to something as
important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous risks when it
comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows 10
reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on Windows
still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't get
me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence when it
comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't use
most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10, they
will likely not notice much difference in their everyday computing
since they don't really push their computers all that hard anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for audio
or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just figure
out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and select
the boot device directly. It might take a bit of experimentation to
figure out the position of the device you want to select from the
menu, but it can be done without sighted assistance. I have done it
myself and so have several other users. As for preinstallation
environments, since I maintain one myself which seems to be quite
popular, I don't rely on anything provided by the manufacturer. And
most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they do not
usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment. They are
two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation environment
some people use, right? Good solution, but one still needs a
sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky depending on
the complexity of the bios and the types of modifications a
manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch, or
replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then installing
Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a hard drive, this
is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking Windows
installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then
allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the entire
installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft shares
from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even though
my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to what the big
whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


guide dog question?

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Hope this is not a silly question.
I have a 15 year old niece, and we are considering applying for her to have guide dog training.
The question is: Would she be too young at 15 years of age to apply for a guide dog in the UK?


changing the display order of mails in the mail app iphone

Bharat
 

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most
cases is the originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can
you please direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 


So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes.  Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements?  As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas.  Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.

 

TerriLynne

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I only use Narrator for emergencies.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

TerriLynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.

 

TerriLynne

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I only use Narrator for emergencies.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: Can I delete totally these folders from my c: drive after upgrading to Win10 OS?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Let Windows do it for you. If you've just completed the upgrade make sure to
restart your computer. Now use disk cleanup to get rid of the junk files.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Moty Azrad
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Can I delete totally these folders from my c: drive
after upgrading to Win10 OS?

Dear all,

When I finished installing Win10 OS from Win7, I can see these folders in my
C: Drive.
$WINDOWS.~BT
ESD
inetpub
Windows.old

I like to delete them and sure I don't go back to windows 7 OS again.

Thanks much for your respond.

Moti




Moti Azrad Musician & Piano Tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://m.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL


Can I delete totally these folders from my c: drive after upgrading to Win10 OS?

Moty Azrad
 

Dear all,
 
When I finished installing Win10 OS from Win7, I can see these folders in my C: Drive.
$WINDOWS.~BT
ESD
inetpub
Windows.old
 
I like to delete them and sure I don’t go back to windows 7 OS again.
 
Thanks much for your respond.
 
Moti
 



Moti Azrad Musician & Piano Tuner
motiaz@...
azrad_moty@...
motia@...
https://m.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Veronica Kirk
 

I only use Narrator for emergencies.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

You continued to present arguments why it is supposedly such a significant challenge. I was simply providing answers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I never said it couldn't be done, I only stated it was a headache.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The point was never whether the Windows 10 reset feature has it's uses. The
point was to clarify your misconception that Windows could not be
reinstalled from scratch without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Well, you've found your solution, and I've found mine for my specific
needs.


JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

As I said you are fortunate. It has rarely happened to any of my
personal machines, but it has happened to quite a few machines I have
worked on for others. When working as a technician, you have to try
to be prepared for such eventualities. You cannot simply rely on luck
or hope that it will never happen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption
you've described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where
Windows will not boot. Corruption of files or the registry,
corruption from malware or viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do
with the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute
my "luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to
something as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous
risks when it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on
Windows still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is
not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't
get me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence
when it comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that
hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for
audio or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just
figure out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and
select the boot device directly. It might take a bit of
experimentation to figure out the position of the device you want
to select from the menu, but it can be done without sighted
assistance. I have done it myself and so have several other
users. As for preinstallation environments, since I maintain one
myself which seems to be quite popular, I don't rely on anything
provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a
hard drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking
Windows installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during
initial installation, but how about loading temporary ones and
then allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the
entire installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft
shares from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you"
even though my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to
what the big whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado












































Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

I never said it couldn't be done, I only stated it was a headache.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The point was never whether the Windows 10 reset feature has it's uses. The
point was to clarify your misconception that Windows could not be
reinstalled from scratch without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Well, you've found your solution, and I've found mine for my specific
needs.


JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

As I said you are fortunate. It has rarely happened to any of my
personal machines, but it has happened to quite a few machines I have
worked on for others. When working as a technician, you have to try
to be prepared for such eventualities. You cannot simply rely on luck
or hope that it will never happen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption
you've described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where
Windows will not boot. Corruption of files or the registry,
corruption from malware or viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do
with the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute
my "luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to
something as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous
risks when it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on
Windows still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is
not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't
get me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence
when it comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that
hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for
audio or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just
figure out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and
select the boot device directly. It might take a bit of
experimentation to figure out the position of the device you want
to select from the menu, but it can be done without sighted
assistance. I have done it myself and so have several other
users. As for preinstallation environments, since I maintain one
myself which seems to be quite popular, I don't rely on anything
provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a
hard drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking
Windows installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during
initial installation, but how about loading temporary ones and
then allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the
entire installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft
shares from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you"
even though my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to
what the big whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado








































Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

The point was never whether the Windows 10 reset feature has it's uses. The point was to clarify your misconception that Windows could not be reinstalled from scratch without sighted assistance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Well, you've found your solution, and I've found mine for my specific needs.


JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

As I said you are fortunate. It has rarely happened to any of my personal
machines, but it has happened to quite a few machines I have worked on for
others. When working as a technician, you have to try to be prepared for
such eventualities. You cannot simply rely on luck or hope that it will
never happen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption
you've described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where Windows
will not boot. Corruption of files or the registry, corruption from
malware or viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with
the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute my
"luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to something
as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous risks when
it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on Windows
still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't get
me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence when it
comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that
hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for
audio or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just
figure out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and
select the boot device directly. It might take a bit of
experimentation to figure out the position of the device you want
to select from the menu, but it can be done without sighted
assistance. I have done it myself and so have several other
users. As for preinstallation environments, since I maintain one
myself which seems to be quite popular, I don't rely on anything
provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a hard
drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking
Windows installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then
allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the
entire installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft
shares from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even
though my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to what
the big whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado







































Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Well, you've found your solution, and I've found mine for my specific needs.


JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

As I said you are fortunate. It has rarely happened to any of my personal
machines, but it has happened to quite a few machines I have worked on for
others. When working as a technician, you have to try to be prepared for
such eventualities. You cannot simply rely on luck or hope that it will
never happen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption
you've described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where Windows
will not boot. Corruption of files or the registry, corruption from
malware or viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with
the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute my
"luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to something
as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous risks when
it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on Windows
still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't get
me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence when it
comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that
hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for
audio or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just
figure out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and
select the boot device directly. It might take a bit of
experimentation to figure out the position of the device you want
to select from the menu, but it can be done without sighted
assistance. I have done it myself and so have several other
users. As for preinstallation environments, since I maintain one
myself which seems to be quite popular, I don't rely on anything
provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a hard
drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with
the Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking
Windows installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then
allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the
entire installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft
shares from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even
though my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to what
the big whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado



































braille sense u2 and iphone

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Hi,

 

Anyone using the sense qwerty u2 paired with the iphone?

My problem is it seems as if I can’t ever complete a text without something messing up.  All I can describe is I’m texting from the u2, then it will stop after a certain word and I have to press escape to be back in the body of the composed text.

Using iphone six latest version and braille sense latest patch that was just released. Thoughts?


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Well, they're not all mine specifically as a couple belong to friends and
family. Also, when new stuff comes out, I like experimenting with it, so
some of the older stuff gets pushed aside. I don't think I'm alone. :)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Holy crap. Why would you have 10 computers.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption you've
described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where Windows will
not boot. Corruption of files or the registry, corruption from malware or
viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with
the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute my
"luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to something
as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous risks when
it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on Windows
still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't get
me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence when it
comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for audio
or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just figure
out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and select
the boot device directly. It might take a bit of experimentation to
figure out the position of the device you want to select from the
menu, but it can be done without sighted assistance. I have done
it myself and so have several other users. As for preinstallation
environments, since I maintain one myself which seems to be quite
popular, I don't rely on anything provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a hard
drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking Windows
installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then
allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the entire
installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft shares
from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even though
my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to what the big
whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






























Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Veronica Kirk
 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

As I said you are fortunate. It has rarely happened to any of my personal machines, but it has happened to quite a few machines I have worked on for others. When working as a technician, you have to try to be prepared for such eventualities. You cannot simply rely on luck or hope that it will never happen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I have about 10 computers scattered all over my home. The Corruption you've
described is definitely possible, but not been an issue yet.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

The most careful user can find themselves in a situation where Windows will
not boot. Corruption of files or the registry, corruption from malware or
viruses, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Not fortunate, careful.

JR


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well then you are indeed fortunate since Windows or any operating
system for that matter, can become corrupted to the point where it
will not boot for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with
the quality of your hardware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I've never had a situation where I've lost the OS or a hardware
problem prevented the computer from starting. I like to attribute my
"luck" to the fact that I don't buy junk when it comes to something
as important as a hard drive, and I don't take dangerous risks when
it comes to my general computing.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

LOL good luck with your independence if Windows is corrupted to the
point where it will not even boot. Don't get me wrong, the Windows
10 reset feature is certainly useful, but it is dependent on Windows
still being in a bootable state to implement. Using WinPE is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


More reason to upgrade to Windows 10 where the blind computer user
can completely reset one's computer without sighted help. Don't get
me wrong, I love Windows7, but I also love my independence when it
comes to computing.
Actually, from what I've noticed, most blind computer users don't
use most of Windows' features, so if they upgrade to Windows 10,
they will likely not notice much difference in their everyday
computing since they don't really push their computers all that hard
anyways.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Also, even if a manufacturer were to provide a preinstallation
environment, it would almost certainly not include support for audio
or a screen reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


It is not necessary to modify the boot sequence in the BIOS.
Although that is one way of doing it. It is simpler to just figure
out the key for accessing your motherboard's boot menu and select
the boot device directly. It might take a bit of experimentation to
figure out the position of the device you want to select from the
menu, but it can be done without sighted assistance. I have done
it myself and so have several other users. As for preinstallation
environments, since I maintain one myself which seems to be quite
popular, I don't rely on anything provided by the manufacturer.
And most manufacturers may provide a recovery partition, but they
do not usually provide any kind of preinstallation environment.
They are two completely different things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I'm assuming you mean using the Windows preinstallation
environment some people use, right? Good solution, but one still
needs a sighted person to modify bios and this can get tricky
depending on the complexity of the bios and the types of
modifications a manufacturer has made to the pre-windows envirnemtn.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Even reformatting a hard drive, installing Windows from scratch,
or replacing a hard drive can be done without sighted assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


You can already install Windows 10 without sighted assistance.

If you mean completely reformatting the hard drive then
installing Windows from scratch, or if you mean replacing a hard
drive, this is a different matter.

With Windows 10, since a full reset will mimic a brand new
installation of Windows, there really isn't any need for a full
reformat
and installation.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows
10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well, if I dare say anything, will there now be a talking Windows
installer?
This way, I can install Windows10 on my own without any sighted
assistance the same way I install Jaws and Window-Eyes?

It may be argued that there are no drivers loaded during initial
installation, but how about loading temporary ones and then
allowing me to choose whether or not to use speech for the entire
installation
process?

Should this become possible, may be I'll buy ten Microsoft shares
from the stock market as a way of saying "thank you" even though
my stockholdings may be worth nothing compared to what the big
whigs have!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

































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