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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Also, this is how software and R&DD works, not everything researched results
in a new device. At times the technology is used for other purposes, but
just because it doesn't have an immediate use doesn't mean its time, money,
or effort wasted. GPS has existed for decades, but its only relatively
recently that it has become omnipresent on just about all mobile devices.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

Hi Carlos,
Just a guess, but, people in schools, who have absolutely ideas what we
want?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:13:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not
just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind
consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much
attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested
elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most
large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to
the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are
actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and
then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I
know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need
to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for
emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since
none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios
except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I
said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort
improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides
to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator
which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find
someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Maybe not ultimately on Windows, but it is very likely the narrator research and development might be targeted for platforms other than desktops such as tablets and phones. In other words, Narrator on the desktop has a huge pool of users, and the R&D resulting from this large group of users can be used on other platforms such as tablets.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carolyn Arnold
 

It's probably some engineer's justification for his/her job.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
Just a guess, but, people in schools, who have absolutely ideas what we want?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:13:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not
just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind
consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much
attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested
elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most
large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to
the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are
actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and
then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I
know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need
to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for
emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since
none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios
except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I
said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort
improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides
to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator
which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carolyn Arnold
 

1000 percent right on. It makes sense to them.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
And isn't the double tap to open annoying? Although, it also depends on your speech rate. It is certainly annoying at 100%.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:41:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

Well it depends on the person and how they like their device setup! I
consider myself a very advance or power user of the iphone. Since I had one
since the 3gs came out in 2009.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
Remember, though, if you want the preview, you need to have voiceover hints,
else it won't read them. And those of us that are more of a power user, the
double tap to open can become more than tedious. Thought I'd just point it
out.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:49:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Well no but if you view your mail by thread then there is not much problem.
You just open the thread and go to the bottom of it and start from the
bottom up. For example there is thread talking about windows update and
there is 10 messages in that thread. Just double tap on the thread called
windows update then this will open that thread it will be from newest to
oldest and you just flip left to right to get to the bottom or you can do a
three finger flip up from the bottom of the screen and it will take you to
the bottom of the thread or you can do touch by explore. Once you are at
the bottom then you can start reading from the bottom up and you will be in
oldest to newest.
Now I myself read from newest to oldest and I have preview turn on for mail
where it reads the first 5 lines without even open the message in the
thread. For example I open the thread called windows update and then I just
flick left to right and as I land on the message stop and pause and it will
read the first 5 lines of it and I can tell if I want to open it up to read
more or just flick up and choose delete or whatever action I want. I have
the same thing set up on my PC preview messages without opening them. I
don't know but maybe in IOS 10 they might have some more choices.
On how you
view your thread.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 6:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I was reading
from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be changed, you
can imagine my reaction.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the bottom of the
screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left till you
come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it should open
the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons respectively,
should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it displays
the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most cases is the
originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can you please
direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carolyn Arnold
 

I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

Matt
 

Well it depends on the person and how they like their device setup! I
consider myself a very advance or power user of the iphone. Since I had one
since the 3gs came out in 2009.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
Remember, though, if you want the preview, you need to have voiceover hints,
else it won't read them. And those of us that are more of a power user, the
double tap to open can become more than tedious. Thought I'd just point it
out.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:49:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Well no but if you view your mail by thread then there is not much problem.
You just open the thread and go to the bottom of it and start from the
bottom up. For example there is thread talking about windows update and
there is 10 messages in that thread. Just double tap on the thread called
windows update then this will open that thread it will be from newest to
oldest and you just flip left to right to get to the bottom or you can do a
three finger flip up from the bottom of the screen and it will take you to
the bottom of the thread or you can do touch by explore. Once you are at
the bottom then you can start reading from the bottom up and you will be in
oldest to newest.
Now I myself read from newest to oldest and I have preview turn on for mail
where it reads the first 5 lines without even open the message in the
thread. For example I open the thread called windows update and then I just
flick left to right and as I land on the message stop and pause and it will
read the first 5 lines of it and I can tell if I want to open it up to read
more or just flick up and choose delete or whatever action I want. I have
the same thing set up on my PC preview messages without opening them. I
don't know but maybe in IOS 10 they might have some more choices.
On how you
view your thread.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 6:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I was reading
from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be changed, you
can imagine my reaction.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the bottom of the
screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left till you
come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it should open
the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons respectively,
should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it displays
the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most cases is the
originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can you please
direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Carlos
 

You can try PDF to TXT to convert the file or Balabolka to view it directly. The official download link for PDF to TXT seems not to be working at the moment, but I uploaded the installer to ShareByLink so you can download it using the URL below.
https://iqu.ca/1/?98B96CAA445A
Balabolka can be downloaded from it's homepage at the following link.
http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


I tried, but when I tried to arrow down to ope in in plain text, the computer wouldn't speak. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

There are several ways of converting a PDF file to a plain text file,
including just opening it in Adobe Acrobat Reader and selecting
"Save as Other"
and then
"Text"
from the
"File"
menu. This will work with many PDF files unless they are protected and most
manuals are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Okay, which ever way I find it, it will be a PDF, though? Then, I guess that leaves me out. I have never been able to read a PDF file. I have adobe, but I haven't been able to make it work. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It is often included in the root directory of the main drive of many laptops
in PDF format. If not, you can look for it at the manufacturer's website or
in a Google search by model number.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Okay, how do I find my laptop user guide so that I can read it? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Search through your laptop user guide and look for the list of fn key
combinations.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices

I do not have "projector only," only "pc screen" which appears to be the
one selected. The others are "second screen, duplicate and extend."
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:15:20 -0700
"Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote:

Will this stick after a restart of computer?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Sigh. I just posted this one the other day and forgot about it. You can
try pressing WindowsKey+P and then select "Projector Only".
When you want to turn it back on, press WindowsKey+P again and select
"Computer Only".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Yes, most laptops should have an Fn shortcut for this which is
certainly easier. Of course, if you want to do this on a desktop,
you may have to look into more convoluted methods like DEVCON.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


That DEVCON resource looks really cool.

I suggest try path of least resistance first and give the backlight
suggestion a read, and if it does nothing for you, then try the more
involved suggestions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It should be possible to create a shortcut/hotkey which would
disable the display and still allow you to continue using the
computer with the DEVCON http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.php
utility, but the command would be machine specific since it uses
hardware IDs to disable devices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


I think the person wants to turn off the monitor and continue using
his/her computer. This tool and the previous will turn off the
monitor, but once a key is pressed, the monitor will probably turn
back on. These two tips are more of a sleep mode for the monitor
rather than a way of permanently turning off monitor.

Again, try the solution I suggested and hopefully your laptop user
manual will contain information as to how to permanently turn off
backlight of your computer.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Or this utility.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Launchers-Shutdown-Tools/Turn-Of
f-
Monitor-Factormystic.shtml

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Carlos, do you have any experience with any of those third-party
utility.
I am really concerned about this issue


On 11/06/2016 8:05 AM, Carlos wrote:


There may be some third-party utilities which can do this, but short
of Fn key shortcuts on laptops or completely disabling the display
in Device Manager, there is no way that is built-in to Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Kimsan, first of all, I have an HP notebook. I doubt this method
would turnoff display, however it would turn back on, when I start
using the notebook. correct me if I am wrong. I want to do it like
the screen



Curtain on I phone. I do appreciate any tips on this matter & I
wouldn't mind testing & experimenting, since I have Toolwiz Time Freeze
installed.



On 10/06/2016 10:29 PM, Kimsan wrote:


What laptop/brand you have?
The fn key with one of the function keys might do this, however, I
would hate for you to fn and press a function key and not knowing
what will occur, as your machine might blow up.
On my Lenovo laptop, it's fn f9 to turn off the display. Not saying
yours is the same, so I recommend consulting the manual for your laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sachin
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Hello everyone, the subject line says it all. I am concerned about
this because of some privacy issues.

thanks in advance
































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Format question about numbers -Windows 10, Office and Outlook 2013.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Does anyone know what steps to take to change my numbers from adding a suffix to the end? I can write 12:30, and it writes 12th:30 in some instances. I get nd on the end of twos and things like that, I would like to be able to control if I want to write 124th Street or that we have 124 cookies. It is working correctly in here, but very often, it adds a suffix when inappropriate, and I don’t know how to eliminate that. Thanks for help.

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Re: Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Pamela Dominguez
 

I tried, but when I tried to arrow down to ope in in plain text, the computer wouldn't speak. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

There are several ways of converting a PDF file to a plain text file,
including just opening it in Adobe Acrobat Reader and selecting
"Save as Other"
and then
"Text"
from the
"File"
menu. This will work with many PDF files unless they are protected and most
manuals are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Okay, which ever way I find it, it will be a PDF, though? Then, I guess that leaves me out. I have never been able to read a PDF file. I have adobe, but I haven't been able to make it work. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It is often included in the root directory of the main drive of many laptops
in PDF format. If not, you can look for it at the manufacturer's website or
in a Google search by model number.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Okay, how do I find my laptop user guide so that I can read it? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Search through your laptop user guide and look for the list of fn key
combinations.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices

I do not have "projector only," only "pc screen" which appears to be the
one selected. The others are "second screen, duplicate and extend."
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:15:20 -0700
"Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote:

Will this stick after a restart of computer?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Sigh. I just posted this one the other day and forgot about it. You can
try pressing WindowsKey+P and then select "Projector Only".
When you want to turn it back on, press WindowsKey+P again and select
"Computer Only".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Yes, most laptops should have an Fn shortcut for this which is
certainly easier. Of course, if you want to do this on a desktop,
you may have to look into more convoluted methods like DEVCON.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


That DEVCON resource looks really cool.

I suggest try path of least resistance first and give the backlight
suggestion a read, and if it does nothing for you, then try the more
involved suggestions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

It should be possible to create a shortcut/hotkey which would
disable the display and still allow you to continue using the
computer with the DEVCON http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.php
utility, but the command would be machine specific since it uses
hardware IDs to disable devices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


I think the person wants to turn off the monitor and continue using
his/her computer. This tool and the previous will turn off the
monitor, but once a key is pressed, the monitor will probably turn
back on. These two tips are more of a sleep mode for the monitor
rather than a way of permanently turning off monitor.

Again, try the solution I suggested and hopefully your laptop user
manual will contain information as to how to permanently turn off
backlight of your computer.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Or this utility.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Launchers-Shutdown-Tools/Turn-Of
f-
Monitor-Factormystic.shtml

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Carlos, do you have any experience with any of those third-party
utility.
I am really concerned about this issue


On 11/06/2016 8:05 AM, Carlos wrote:


There may be some third-party utilities which can do this, but short
of Fn key shortcuts on laptops or completely disabling the display
in Device Manager, there is no way that is built-in to Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices


Hi Kimsan, first of all, I have an HP notebook. I doubt this method
would turnoff display, however it would turn back on, when I start
using the notebook. correct me if I am wrong. I want to do it like
the screen



Curtain on I phone. I do appreciate any tips on this matter & I
wouldn't mind testing & experimenting, since I have Toolwiz Time Freeze
installed.



On 10/06/2016 10:29 PM, Kimsan wrote:


What laptop/brand you have?
The fn key with one of the function keys might do this, however, I
would hate for you to fn and press a function key and not knowing
what will occur, as your machine might blow up.
On my Lenovo laptop, it's fn f9 to turn off the display. Not saying
yours is the same, so I recommend consulting the manual for your laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sachin
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Hello everyone, the subject line says it all. I am concerned about
this because of some privacy issues.

thanks in advance
































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Re: guide dog question?

luke scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi all
To be clear, i am from the uk and you can apply for a guidedog at any time past the age of 11.
Obviously, the applicant must be responsible enough to care for the dog mostly by there self.
Hope this helps,
Luke

On 4 Jul 2016, at 13:52, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Well it depends on the place you are applying at! Also you can apply at say
if the age to get one is 16 you can apply say at 15 as it takes a while
sometime to find a match and how far they are behind. I would call the place
you think you are going to get her one!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Billy Inglis
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] guide dog question?

thanks so much

On 04/07/2016 10:40, Rajmund wrote:
Hi,
Well, you can apply as of 16, if that helps.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy Inglis" <william.inglis72@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 09:04:36 +0100
Subject: [TechTalk] guide dog question?

hi guys, Hope this is not a silly question.
I have a 15 year old niece, and we are considering applying for her to
have guide dog training.
The question is: Would she be too young at 15 years of age to apply
for a guide dog in the UK?
--
Billy Inglis








[BNU] "Off topic": a book translation question

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
Could someone help this user with their question, please? Their email can be found below, which allows you to contact them directly, should you wish.

Sent from a BrailleNote

---- Original Message ------
From: andy shields <ashields2@frontier.com
Subject: [BNU] "Off topic": a book translation question
Date sent: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 05:19:46 -0400

Hello everyone,

The subject line is that specific because this isn't a
Braillenote-related issue, except that almost all of my reading
and downloading is done in Braille on my Apex (latest upgrades in
place.) But this is the only list I belong to, and I thought
someone else might have encountered this situation.

I occasionally find books that I've disanted for a long time,
easily accessible for downloading, but, only available in a
non-English version. Is there someplace online that I could
submit the entire book file and get it translated into English?
I've tried to research this quite thoroughly, but although there
are many sources for online translation, all of them seem to
refer to smaller items-words and phrases, or at most documents of
1000 words or so. I don't mind paying, if it's necessary, to get
these books into a readable form. (There are 3 so far, in 3
different languages, and none are available from any of my usual
sources in English, in any format. This includes some online
libraries where you do have to pay.)

Again, I would go to another list to ask this question if I knew
of one.

Andy
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Disregard Status Line Bug In Thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Well, I am glad to say, you can disregard the status line bug I reported in my last message to this list. It turns out I had a pop-under that I didn't see right away that was causing things to read improperly. It was that Microsoft Bug wanting me to upgrade to Windows 10. I thought I turned that off, but for some reason, it came back. Once I dismissed this bark screen, everything is normal again in Thunderbird.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Gerald Levy
 

 
Here’s an update on my search for a new talking bathroom scale.  I did a little research on the Moshi Talking Scale and discovered that Independent Living Aids  is the only merchant that sells it, which explains why they include the brand name in the product description.  Obviously, it nobody else sells it, then they can charge whatever they can get away with, which is $50, which seems on the high side for a bare-bones talking scale.  ButI won’t let one of these blindness-products merchants pull a fast one on me because  I’m a savvy shopper.  So after a little more research, I discovered that the Moshi talking scale is actually sold as the mainstream Newline SCB105 talking scale on Amazon.com for $24.  I compared the instructionn manual for the Moshi scale with the instruction manual for the Newline scale, and voila, the language in both manuals is identical, and even the voice prompts on both models are the same, which proves to me pretty convincingly that the two models are actually the same scale sold under different brand names.  Plus, Amazon reviews of the Newline scale mention that the speech is loud and clear, which I was able to corroborate after listening to the audio tutorial for the Moshi scale on the ILA site.  So now I’m seriously considering the Newline scale.  I will have to cobble together another $25worth of merchandise to get free shipping, but that shouldn’t be too difficult, as I can always find stuff to buy on Amazon.com.  ILA requires a minimum order of $75 to qualify for free shipping, so why would I buy the Moshi scale from them when I can buy the essentially identical Newline SCB105 scale from Amazon.com for half the price?
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
Hi,
I’ve had good fortune with the talking scale by Moshi
 
#756907
that is its item number at independent living aids.
the only problem I continually encounter with talking bathroom scales is often the foot containing the censor that determines when to activate it can easily break if the unit is handled too roughly as happened to one of mine at the hands of a cleaning helper; but again this seems common t all brands I’ve tried of which there’ve been a few.
Over all this unit has a sturdy solid state feel to it and seems to be accurate.
I’ve no experience with the other two brands mentioned in terms of bathroom scales but like another poster mentioned I’ve used the my way kitchen scale and have found it to be satisfactory for its intended purpose as well.
 
I hope that helps.
Robin
 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 9:26 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale
 
 
Happy Independence Day holiday, gang.  Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident.  But let’s get back to practical technology.  This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead.  I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck.  So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use.  Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products.  I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews.  Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech?  Are there any other models you guys would recommend?  Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names.  Thanks for your feedback. 
 
Gerald
 
 


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Remember, though, if you want the preview, you need to have voiceover hints, else it won't read them. And those of us that are more of a power user, the
double tap to open can become more than tedious. Thought I'd just point it out.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:49:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

Well no but if you view your mail by thread then there is not much problem.
You just open the thread and go to the bottom of it and start from the
bottom up. For example there is thread talking about windows update and
there is 10 messages in that thread. Just double tap on the thread called
windows update then this will open that thread it will be from newest to
oldest and you just flip left to right to get to the bottom or you can do a
three finger flip up from the bottom of the screen and it will take you to
the bottom of the thread or you can do touch by explore. Once you are at the
bottom then you can start reading from the bottom up and you will be in
oldest to newest.
Now I myself read from newest to oldest and I have preview turn on for mail
where it reads the first 5 lines without even open the message in the
thread. For example I open the thread called windows update and then I just
flick left to right and as I land on the message stop and pause and it will
read the first 5 lines of it and I can tell if I want to open it up to read
more or just flick up and choose delete or whatever action I want. I have
the same thing set up on my PC preview messages without opening them. I
don't know but maybe in IOS 10 they might have some more choices. On how you
view your thread.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 6:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I was reading
from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be changed, you
can imagine my reaction.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the bottom of the
screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left till you
come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it should open
the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons respectively,
should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it displays
the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most cases is the
originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can you please
direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: guide dog question?

Matt
 

Well it depends on the place you are applying at! Also you can apply at say
if the age to get one is 16 you can apply say at 15 as it takes a while
sometime to find a match and how far they are behind. I would call the place
you think you are going to get her one!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Billy Inglis
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] guide dog question?

thanks so much

On 04/07/2016 10:40, Rajmund wrote:
Hi,
Well, you can apply as of 16, if that helps.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy Inglis" <william.inglis72@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 09:04:36 +0100
Subject: [TechTalk] guide dog question?

hi guys, Hope this is not a silly question.
I have a 15 year old niece, and we are considering applying for her to
have guide dog training.
The question is: Would she be too young at 15 years of age to apply
for a guide dog in the UK?







--
Billy Inglis

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