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Re: Searching groups.io archives

Carlos
 


No, you would click on the
"Messages"
link and then type your search term.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives

Hi,
Aww that’s a shame. So once I get to the group’s home page I click on feeds then to get to the search field? then type my search term is that correct?
Thanks for teaching me something new.
Robin
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives
 
I don't believe groups.io allows for complex searches in the archives at this point.  If you type keywords in the search field, it will search through both the subject and message body.  Although on the list of results you can sort messages by date or relevance.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives
 
Hi,
I was wondering if someone could kindly show me how to do this efficiently as so far it’s eluding me.  For instance if one wanted to search for a particular message or thread by subject or author how does one do it once at the groups.io page for your group?
thanks for enlightening me and by extension others who might also have wondered about such.
Robin
 


Re: Searching groups.io archives

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
Aww that’s a shame. So once I get to the group’s home page I click on feeds then to get to the search field? then type my search term is that correct?
Thanks for teaching me something new.
Robin
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives
 
I don't believe groups.io allows for complex searches in the archives at this point.  If you type keywords in the search field, it will search through both the subject and message body.  Although on the list of results you can sort messages by date or relevance.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives
 
Hi,
I was wondering if someone could kindly show me how to do this efficiently as so far it’s eluding me.  For instance if one wanted to search for a particular message or thread by subject or author how does one do it once at the groups.io page for your group?
thanks for enlightening me and by extension others who might also have wondered about such.
Robin
 


Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
I was able to locate it in standard view but found that JFW wouldn’t execute it in IE11 but could in Firefox go know. It’s also interesting to note that executing it in standard view seems to yield more options than when in basic html view.
At least that was my experience. If I’m wrong about this last point I’m sure someone will teach us all something new (smile).
Robin
 
 

From: Kimsan
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 

The gear icon is the “settings” link.

 

Make sure you’re in html view to locate that. I couldn’t find that in the standard view.

I got confused about that to until one of my kids clicked it and I heard my screen reader say settings.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.

I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?

 

Thanks very much,

George


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,
The correct handle is @msftenable.
There are several routes people can take to submit feedback:
1. Accessibility Answer Desk.
2. Twitter.
3. For Insiders: Feedback Hub app.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 11:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I think if you could find the right person to submit them to it might.

@msftaccess on twitter seems to be a good starting point.



On 7/4/2016 11:45 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>








Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

Kimsan
 

The gear icon is the “settings” link.

 

Make sure you’re in html view to locate that. I couldn’t find that in the standard view.

I got confused about that to until one of my kids clicked it and I heard my screen reader say settings.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.

I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?

 

Thanks very much,

George


Where is the gmail settings menu?

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.
I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?
 
Thanks very much,
George


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Gene
 

Also, it appears to be a contradiction.  You say that Narrator is another option, yet you seem not to object to Narrator becoming the only option as Voiceover is in Apple.  We will not benefit if our choices decrease in access software. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Interestingly, what you are predicting in your last statement in my opinion
is a cause for concern, not hope.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <lists@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


> Hi.
>
> Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another option.
>
> I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may seriously
> consider switching to windows phone from android.
>
> I would really like features like continuom and some of the things along
> that line that ms is doing.
>
> In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i can
> use.
>
> Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice over
> is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined because they
> aren't keeping up.
>
>
>
> On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
>> Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements?
>> Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most
>> blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant
>> this much attention.  Certainly not at the expense of effort which could
>> be invested elsewhere.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of Carlos
>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>> I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like
>> most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula
>> unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what
>> consumers are actually requesting.  In other words, they hear what they
>> choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I
>> know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we
>> need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.
>>
>> Bye for now,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of Carlos
>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>> So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup,
>> for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes.
>> Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these
>> scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these
>> improvements?  As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing
>> more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas.  Until or
>> unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader,
>> these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste
>> of effort.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>>
>> I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
>> help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.
>>
>>
>>
>> TerriLynne
>>
>>
>>
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>> screen reader? #poll
>>
>>
>>
>> I only use Narrator for emergencies.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
>> reader? #poll
>>
>>
>>
>> A new poll has been created:
>>
>> Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
>> 2. I never use Narrator
>> 3. I use Narrator regularly
>>
>> Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Interestingly, what you are predicting in your last statement in my opinion is a cause for concern, not hope.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <lists@thekingstech.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi.

Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another option.

I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may seriously consider switching to windows phone from android.

I would really like features like continuom and some of the things along that line that ms is doing.

In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i can use.

Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice over is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined because they aren't keeping up.



On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


















Re: Format question about numbers -Windows 10, Office and Outlook 2013.

Carolyn Arnold
 

K that worked. Thanks.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Format question about numbers
-Windows 10, Office and Outlook 2013.

Hi all,

Think this is in autoformat as you type. It says replace
numbers with
ordinals or something like that. Just uncheck it. I think
if you go
into options when pressing alt-f you'll get to options and
you can switch tabs there.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

I think if you could find the right person to submit them to it might.

@msftaccess on twitter seems to be a good starting point.

On 7/4/2016 11:45 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>







Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

Hi.

Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another option.

I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may seriously consider switching to windows phone from android.

I would really like features like continuom and some of the things along that line that ms is doing.

In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i can use.

Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice over is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined because they aren't keeping up.

On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>

















Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Yes, that was my point. I could see how it might be useful in that case since you could not run any of the major screen readers like JAWS, Window Eyes, and NVDA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <lists@thekingstech.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi.

Actually, you can run narator on windows phone.



On 7/4/2016 12:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
Although I could see how it might benefit Mobile Windows phone user since you won't be able to run any screen reader in that case.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Except for the fact that on tablets running full-blown versions of Windows 10, which seems to be all of them at the moment, you can run any screen reader you like so you are not dependent on Narrator.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Maybe not ultimately on Windows, but it is very likely the narrator research and development might be targeted for platforms other than desktops such as tablets and phones. In other words, Narrator on the desktop has a huge pool of users, and the R&D resulting from this large group of users can be used on other platforms such as tablets.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


























Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

Hi.

Actually, you can run narator on windows phone.

On 7/4/2016 12:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
Although I could see how it might benefit Mobile Windows phone user since you won't be able to run any screen reader in that case.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Except for the fact that on tablets running full-blown versions of Windows 10, which seems to be all of them at the moment, you can run any screen reader you like so you are not dependent on Narrator.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Maybe not ultimately on Windows, but it is very likely the narrator research and development might be targeted for platforms other than desktops such as tablets and phones. In other words, Narrator on the desktop has a huge pool of users, and the R&D resulting from this large group of users can be used on other platforms such as tablets.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>

























Re: Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

Gene
 

I don't know what problems you may be having with your specific computer using Adobe.  But there are other programs for reading Adobe documents in plain text.  One of them is available on the Empowerment Zone site, at least it was.  I saw somewhere recently that the Empowerment Zone site had been hacked and I don't know what is available now.  I don't recall the name of the program.
 
Also, you may not have certain settings set correctly in Adobe.  I use these programs so seldom that I don't recall details.  But there is at least one setting you must change from the default or Adobe won't work properly for screen-reader users.  I think the setting has something to do with protected mode but others will have to comment.
 
If you can't use a program and you want to be able to do what that program does, ask about alternatives.  I haven't used the Empowerment Zone program much so I don't know how it compares in rendering documents.  But there may be a number you can use. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
 

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices

I tried, but when I tried to arrow down to ope in in plain text, the
computer wouldn't speak.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices

There are several ways of converting a PDF file to a plain text file,
including just opening it in Adobe Acrobat Reader and selecting
"Save as Other"
and then
"Text"
from the
"File"
menu.  This will work with many PDF files unless they are protected and most
manuals are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
display in Windows like Android or I Devices


> Okay, which ever way I find it, it will be a PDF, though?  Then, I guess
> that leaves me out.  I have never been able to read a PDF file.  I have
> adobe, but I haven't been able to make it work.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
> display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>
> It is often included in the root directory of the main drive of many
> laptops
> in PDF format.  If not, you can look for it at the manufacturer's website
> or
> in a Google search by model number.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my laptop's
> display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>
>
>> Okay, how do I find my laptop user guide so that I can read it?  Pam.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeremy
>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>> laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>
>> Search through your laptop user guide and look for the list of fn key
>> combinations.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Curtis Delzer
>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:17 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>> laptop's
>> display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>
>> I do not have "projector only," only "pc screen" which appears to be the
>> one selected. The others are "second screen, duplicate and extend."
>> -----
>> Curtis Delzer, HS.
>> K6VFO
>> San Bernardino, CA
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:15:20 -0700
>> "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Will this stick after a restart of computer?
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:11 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>>
>>> Sigh.  I just posted this one the other day and forgot about it.  You
>>> can
>> try pressing WindowsKey+P and then select "Projector Only".
>>> When you want to turn it back on, press WindowsKey+P again and select
>> "Computer Only".
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>>
>>>
>>> > Yes, most laptops should have an Fn shortcut for this which is
>>> > certainly easier.  Of course, if you want to do this on a desktop,
>>> > you may have to look into more convoluted methods like DEVCON.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
>>> > To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That DEVCON resource looks really cool.
>>> >
>>> > I suggest try path of least resistance first and give the backlight
>>> > suggestion a read, and if it does nothing for you, then try the more
>>> > involved suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > JR
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> > Behalf Of Carlos
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:41 PM
>>> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> > It should be possible to create a shortcut/hotkey which would
>>> > disable the display and still allow you to continue using the
>>> > computer with the DEVCON http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.php
>>> > utility, but the command would be machine specific since it uses
>>> > hardware IDs to disable devices.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
>>> > To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:31 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think the person wants to turn off the monitor and continue using
>>> > his/her computer. This tool and the previous will turn off the
>>> > monitor, but once a key is pressed, the monitor will probably turn
>>> > back on. These two tips are more of a sleep mode for the monitor
>>> > rather than a way of permanently turning off monitor.
>>> >
>>> > Again, try the solution I suggested and hopefully your laptop user
>>> > manual will contain information as to how to permanently turn off
>>> > backlight of your computer.
>>> >
>>> > JR
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> > Behalf Of Carlos
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:27 PM
>>> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> > Or this utility.
>>> > http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Launchers-Shutdown-Tools/Turn-Of
>>> > f-
>>> > Monitor-Factormystic.shtml
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@...>
>>> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:06 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Carlos, do you have any experience with any of those third-party
>>> > utility.
>>> > I am really concerned about this issue
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/06/2016 8:05 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > There may be some third-party utilities which can do this, but short
>>> > of Fn key shortcuts on laptops or completely disabling the display
>>> > in Device Manager, there is no way that is built-in to Windows.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: Sachin <mailto:sachinantony001@...>
>>> > To: <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kimsan, first of all, I have an HP notebook. I doubt this method
>>> > would turnoff display, however it would turn back on, when I start
>>> > using the notebook. correct me if I am wrong. I want to do it like
>>> > the screen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Curtain on I phone. I do appreciate any tips on this matter & I
>>> > wouldn't mind testing & experimenting, since I have Toolwiz Time
>>> > Freeze
>> installed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/06/2016 10:29 PM, Kimsan wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What laptop/brand you have?
>>> > The fn key with one of the function keys might do this, however, I
>>> > would hate for you to fn and press a function key and not knowing
>>> > what will occur, as your machine might blow up.
>>> > On my Lenovo laptop, it's fn f9 to turn off the display. Not saying
>>> > yours is the same, so I recommend consulting the manual for your
>>> > laptop.
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> > Behalf Of Sachin
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:35 AM
>>> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> > Subject: [TechTalk] Is there any way to completely turnoff my
>>> > laptop's display in Windows like Android or I Devices
>>> >
>>> > Hello everyone, the subject line says it all. I am concerned about
>>> > this because of some privacy issues.
>>> >
>>> > thanks in advance
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Searching groups.io archives

Carlos
 


I don't believe groups.io allows for complex searches in the archives at this point.  If you type keywords in the search field, it will search through both the subject and message body.  Although on the list of results you can sort messages by date or relevance.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Searching groups.io archives

Hi,
I was wondering if someone could kindly show me how to do this efficiently as so far it’s eluding me.  For instance if one wanted to search for a particular message or thread by subject or author how does one do it once at the groups.io page for your group?
thanks for enlightening me and by extension others who might also have wondered about such.
Robin
 


Searching groups.io archives

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
I was wondering if someone could kindly show me how to do this efficiently as so far it’s eluding me.  For instance if one wanted to search for a particular message or thread by subject or author how does one do it once at the groups.io page for your group?
thanks for enlightening me and by extension others who might also have wondered about such.
Robin
 


Re: Format question about numbers -Windows 10, Office and Outlook 2013.

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Think this is in autoformat as you type. It says replace numbers with ordinals or something like that. Just uncheck it. I think if you go into options when pressing alt-f you'll get to options and you can switch tabs there.

Ann P.

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Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
You're misunderstanding me. Know how speech says something like "Extras folder, 6 apps. Double tap to open." You can turn off the a?no
announcement of double tap to open, which is essentially the voice over hint. However, there is a bug, where if you do that, the email previews won't be read.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:27:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

No it has always been like that or you can set your rotor to action and just
flip up to open or default action and it will open up with a double tap but
still have the double tap. It been this way for ever. Now if you have 3d
touch I sure you canusethat I don't exactly know how it works or with what
it works with as I don't have 3d touch on my iPhone SE. but I think I would
not use it myself.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
And isn't the double tap to open annoying? Although, it also depends on your
speech rate. It is certainly annoying at 100%.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:41:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Well it depends on the person and how they like their device setup! I
consider myself a very advance or power user of the iphone.
Since I had one
since the 3gs came out in 2009.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
Remember, though, if you want the preview, you need to have
voiceover hints,
else it won't read them. And those of us that are more of a
power user, the
double tap to open can become more than tedious. Thought I'd
just point it
out.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:49:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iPhone

Well no but if you view your mail by thread then there is not
much problem.
You just open the thread and go to the bottom of it and start
from the
bottom up. For example there is thread talking about windows
update and
there is 10 messages in that thread. Just double tap on the
thread called
windows update then this will open that thread it will be from
newest to
oldest and you just flip left to right to get to the bottom or
you can do a
three finger flip up from the bottom of the screen and it will
take you to
the bottom of the thread or you can do touch by explore. Once
you are at
the bottom then you can start reading from the bottom up and you
will be in
oldest to newest.
Now I myself read from newest to oldest and I have preview turn
on for mail
where it reads the first 5 lines without even open the message in
the
thread. For example I open the thread called windows update and
then I just
flick left to right and as I land on the message stop and pause
and it will
read the first 5 lines of it and I can tell if I want to open it
up to read
more or just flick up and choose delete or whatever action I
want. I have
the same thing set up on my PC preview messages without opening
them. I
don't know but maybe in IOS 10 they might have some more choices.
On how you
view your thread.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 6:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iphone

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I
was reading
from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be
changed, you
can imagine my reaction.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the
bottom of the
screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left
till you
come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it
should open
the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons
respectively,
should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the
mail app
iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays
the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most
cases is the
originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can you
please
direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: changing the display order of mails in the mail app iPhone

Matt
 

No it has always been like that or you can set your rotor to action and just
flip up to open or default action and it will open up with a double tap but
still have the double tap. It been this way for ever. Now if you have 3d
touch I sure you canusethat I don't exactly know how it works or with what
it works with as I don't have 3d touch on my iPhone SE. but I think I would
not use it myself.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
And isn't the double tap to open annoying? Although, it also depends on your
speech rate. It is certainly annoying at 100%.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:41:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the mail app
iPhone

Well it depends on the person and how they like their device setup! I
consider myself a very advance or power user of the iphone.
Since I had one
since the 3gs came out in 2009.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iPhone

Hi,
Remember, though, if you want the preview, you need to have
voiceover hints,
else it won't read them. And those of us that are more of a
power user, the
double tap to open can become more than tedious. Thought I'd
just point it
out.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:49:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iPhone

Well no but if you view your mail by thread then there is not
much problem.
You just open the thread and go to the bottom of it and start
from the
bottom up. For example there is thread talking about windows
update and
there is 10 messages in that thread. Just double tap on the
thread called
windows update then this will open that thread it will be from
newest to
oldest and you just flip left to right to get to the bottom or
you can do a
three finger flip up from the bottom of the screen and it will
take you to
the bottom of the thread or you can do touch by explore. Once
you are at
the bottom then you can start reading from the bottom up and you
will be in
oldest to newest.
Now I myself read from newest to oldest and I have preview turn
on for mail
where it reads the first 5 lines without even open the message in
the
thread. For example I open the thread called windows update and
then I just
flick left to right and as I land on the message stop and pause
and it will
read the first 5 lines of it and I can tell if I want to open it
up to read
more or just flick up and choose delete or whatever action I
want. I have
the same thing set up on my PC preview messages without opening
them. I
don't know but maybe in IOS 10 they might have some more choices.
On how you
view your thread.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 6:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iphone

Hi,
Its frustrating, too. Since 2012, when I began using emails, I
was reading
from oldest to newest. When I found out that this couldn't be
changed, you
can imagine my reaction.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:23:09 +0530
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in
the mail app
iphone

Well,

I must say, that's really odd!

On 7/4/16, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can't change the order. Your best bet is, to go to the
bottom of the
screen (explore by touch near the home button) flick to the left
till you
come to the first email. Then, when you delete that email, it
should open
the next oldest one, although the next and previous buttons
respectively,
should do what you wanted them, too.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:26:12 +0530
Subject: [TechTalk] changing the display order of mails in the
mail app
iphone

hi all,

i have an issue here i need your help with.

whenever i go through a thread in the mail app on the Iphone, it
displays
the most recent mail on top & the oldest mail which in most
cases is the
originator of the thread at the bottom of the thread. Can you
please
direct as to how do i sort the mails in a sensible way?

thank you,

bharat.


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Although I could see how it might benefit Mobile Windows phone user since you won't be able to run any screen reader in that case.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Except for the fact that on tablets running full-blown versions of Windows 10, which seems to be all of them at the moment, you can run any screen reader you like so you are not dependent on Narrator.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Maybe not ultimately on Windows, but it is very likely the narrator research and development might be targeted for platforms other than desktops such as tablets and phones. In other words, Narrator on the desktop has a huge pool of users, and the R&D resulting from this large group of users can be used on other platforms such as tablets.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 9:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft would be better off investing more time and effort improving accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find someone to
help me or even take it to a business than deal with Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>






















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