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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

George Basioli <gbmagoo@...>
 

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Scarlet Ribbons

Carlos
 

Ribbons basically combine the functionality previously covered by menu bars and toolbars into a single location.

JAWS only handles ribbons differently when the "Virtual Ribbons" feature is enabled.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max G. Swanson" <swando99@iphouse.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Scarlet Ribbons


Could someone give me a good definition of a ribbon vs. a menu? To me it
seems like merely a few extra key strokes, but there's got to be much more
to it than that.

I've managed to avoid using MS Word but have it, along with WinEyes and
NVDA. I mention this b/c have heard that Jaws handles ribbons differently
than other screenreaders.

Thanks for any and all thoughts on this one.
--
"We are stuck in ourselves. Who else to be stuck in?" A.Ginsberg.
Regards, Max


Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

Gene
 

That's good.  As an example, I consider Youtube to be a generally safe site.  You can't listen to music or anything else on it unless you run JAVA scripts.  On another site, I can't submit a comment without JAVA scripts on.  I don't just go to every site with scripts on.  I allow scripts on sites I expect to be safe and where I know scripts must be used to do what I want on the site.  Of course, something may happen but there is an enormous amount you can't do if you never allow them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

Point taken.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.
I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?
 
Thanks very much,
George


Re: can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

Carlos
 

Do you have Acrobat Reader installed?  If not, you should try installing it first.  I suppose the file type could be changed to be associated directly with Internet Explorer, but that might not work correctly with PDF files.  You can download Acrobat Reader from the following page.

----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 3:17 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

dear all,
 
How can I open every pdf files through Internet Explorer 11 that is my default browser now in my windows 10 system?
 
Please help.
The edge is not accessible for now.
And every pdf file is going through Edge.
 
Moti


Scarlet Ribbons

Max G. Swanson <swando99@...>
 

Could someone give me a good definition of a ribbon vs. a menu? To me it
seems like merely a few extra key strokes, but there's got to be much more
to it than that.

I've managed to avoid using MS Word but have it, along with WinEyes and
NVDA. I mention this b/c have heard that Jaws handles ribbons differently
than other screenreaders.

Thanks for any and all thoughts on this one.
--
"We are stuck in ourselves. Who else to be stuck in?" A.Ginsberg.
Regards, Max


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Gene
 

The screen-reader market is not a typical open market.  This isn't a business where there is real competition.  NVDA is supported by donations and grants.  If Microsoft tried to make a screen-reader roughly equivalent to NVDA and succeeded, where would grants and conttributions come from for NVDA.  Fallacy of composition.  You are considering screen-readers as a typical market situation when they are anything but.  If NVDA was a business and all the volunteer work and the work supported by grants and contributions was assigned its real value, NVDA would be expensive just as any other powerful screen-reader.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> As I stated in a previous message, I  believe a full-blown screen reader
> would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
 and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with
very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in
screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better
option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option
possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen
reader.




Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Matt
 

No just for each account! As I explain below. Now I myself can just touch
the mail app and it will tell me if I have mail and how many . it will not
tell me how many for each account unless I open the mail icon. Then I can if
I choose go to wwhere the list of all the mail accounts is and know how many
is in each account. But not from which address they came. This is not
possible as of yet. The most you can do is get a different notification
sound for each mail account you have and then how many mail you have in all
accounts and then if you open the mail account and have them all listed then
you can tell how many for each mail account. But not how many from what
address for example tech talk, tech chat and so on. Maybe in IOS10 this
might happen.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

Point taken.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.
I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?
 
Thanks very much,
George


can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

Moty Azrad
 

dear all,
 
How can I open every pdf files through Internet Explorer 11 that is my default browser now in my windows 10 system?
 
Please help.
The edge is not accessible for now.
And every pdf file is going through Edge.
 
Moti



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Re: Where is the Gmail settings menu?

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

Thanks Matt.  I’ll check it out right away.
 
George
 

From: Matt
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the Gmail settings menu?
 

You can get to forward and email settings from basic HTML unless they have changed it . I have had no reason to go into it for years. That setting.

Now I just went up there and I have my set to Basic HTML and was able to get to it using Basic HTML by just going to settings and then forward and so on….

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: George McCoy

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.

I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?

 

Thanks very much,

George


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Kimsan
 

Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Matt
 

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone


Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Carlos
 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?
 
thanks
 
Michael
 
email/skype:
 
 
JFK"
 
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Because no one can make a screen reader that is perfect, cover every scenario, make everything accessible, work the way everyone likes, and so on. That is the whole point of having different options. Some programs or websites are more accessible with different screen readers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


I haven't gotten into this topic, but if they make marrator do everything that a screenreader needs to do, nobody will need jaws, window eyes or the other ones. Why would it matter if they made narrator into this super dooper screenreader that does everything? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.










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How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

 

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone


Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?
 
thanks
 
Michael
 
email/skype:
 
 
JFK"
 
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Pamela Dominguez
 

I haven't gotten into this topic, but if they make marrator do everything that a screenreader needs to do, nobody will need jaws, window eyes or the other ones. Why would it matter if they made narrator into this super dooper screenreader that does everything? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.










-----
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12563 - Release Date: 07/05/16


Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Carlos
 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?
 
thanks
 
Michael
 
email/skype:
 
 
JFK"
 
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?
 
thanks
 
Michael
 
email/skype:
 
 
JFK"
 
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Pamela Dominguez
 

They have already done that at various times. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Wouldn't it be good if Microsoft would employ a blind engineer; Apple might try that too - then maybe they have. If they did that, they could come closer to making more programs more accessible. I'm not saying this is a solution, just that they could come closer.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

I suppose it is all a matter of prospective since I find your attitude equally incomprehensible. It seems that you are focusing on only part of the picture. The part which says that having a built-in screen reader would somehow be such a desirable outcome. I honestly can't even understand this point since NVDA is already available, free, much more powerful than Narrator, and takes at most a few minutes to install. That being the case, why is it so important or such a great idea to make Narrator the best screen reader? The point which you continue to ignore is the possibility that if Microsoft were to develop a full-blown screen reader, some of the other options might simply cease to exist due to lack of support. Some people may choose to use supposedly inferior options at this time. However, inferior again is a matter of prospective and the reason you even have choices is because other options do currently exist. 3rd-party developers still have incentive to continue development, whether it be for profit or altruistic reasons. If developers of the alternatives were to lose financial or motivational support, some of those choices might no longer be available which means fewer options. Of course, this is all argument for the sake of speculation since I believe it is unlikely that Microsoft will ever invest the effort in making Narrator a full-fledged screen reader.

I am not quote unquote "ripping" Microsoft for adding features to Narrator, but it makes just as little sense to focus on adding features to Narrator which very few people will even use at this time, when other aspects of Windows 10 like Edge are still not fully accessible. It has been a year since the release of Windows 10. Edge should have already been made fully accessible if Microsoft developers have the time to focus on less important issues like adding features to Narrator. Although I will admit that I had not considered the impact such new features might potentially have for users of Windows Mobile. However, we do not know that has anything to do with Microsoft's motivation.

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From: Norman <mailto:lists@thekingstech.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi.

The atitude about this on this list is surprising to me.

Jean says.

"

If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option. Why would people use something inferior?


"




For the same reason they do now.

I know it's a tossup on which screen reader we think is best at this point but i think we can all agree that window eyes and system access aren't and haven't been the best options for a while now, Yet, they still exist.

Why is this?




Curious, What accessibility problems are in windows 10?

I don't have any trouble with it at this point. In fact, i really like it.

As for mail and edge, Both of them are improving, And until they become completely accessible, there are lots of other options out there for both functions. Keep in mind, IE is still on windows 10.

I don't have a lot of experience with office 2016 but there again, what i have done with it i haven't noticed any issues.




If ms wants to improve narator, i say Great job!

I can't see why we have to rip ms for adding new accessibility features. It just doesn't make sense. Look at it this way, At least they're trying.









On 7/4/2016 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:


If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option. Why would people use something inferior? And if it becomes the best and probably only option, then you will have much less chance of being able to deal with difficult situations where something can't be done or doesn't read with that one screen-reader. At present, you may well find that a different screen-reader than the one you usually use may be able to be used in such situations to give enough access so you can do something.

Microsoft has never said that Narrator is intended to be a full screen reader. If Microsoft wants to try harder, then let them solve the accessibility problems in Windows 10. And aren't there accessibility problems in Office 2016 as well? I think I've seen messages about that now and then on the list. The Microsoft e-mail app is still not properly accessible. Edge is not properly accessible. And we are supposed to be happy that this or that feature has been added to Narrator?

Gene
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From: Norman <mailto:lists@thekingstech.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Hi.

I didn't mean it would become the only option like voice over in mac.

I meant to say it would be the best option in windows, like voice over
in the mac.

I think we would all have to agree that tit would be great if narator
beat out both jaws and nvda based on performance.

However, i would still want nvda as a backup.


I know this sounds impossible, and yes we have a long way to go but it
seems to me that ms is trying a lot harder than they used to.


JMT.

On 7/4/2016 2:31 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interestingly, what you are predicting in your last statement in my
opinion is a cause for concern, not hope.
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll


Hi.

Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another
option.

I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may
seriously consider switching to windows phone from android.

I would really like features like continuom and some of the things
along that line that ms is doing.

In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i
can use.

Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice
over is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined
because they aren't keeping up.



On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator
improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I
don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently
enough for it to warrant this much attention. Certainly not at the
expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi,
Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll

I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but
like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret
formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do
with what consumers are actually requesting. In other words, they
hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll


I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to
Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life
though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I
know from experience.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll

So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a
backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for
testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly
impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is
benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft
would be better off investing more time and effort improving
accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to
turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to
Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
Narrator screen reader? #poll


I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find
someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with
Narrator.



TerriLynne



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen reader? #poll



I only use Narrator for emergencies.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
screen
reader? #poll



A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>
































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