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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


keyboard on lenova

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

I have a couple of IBM laptops.  They seem to be the same thing some of you refer to as Lenova.  Neither machine has a "windows" or "logl" key.  Nor do they have a "eontext" key.  I am aware that there are replacement keystrokes, but they seem to not do exactly what those missing keys should be doing.  So, can one re-assign some key to take the place of those?  Maybe I should just get used to what I have been doing, huh?
 
Thanks.
 
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Carolyn Arnold
 

Thank you, Joseph. Good to know that there is someone like
you with your know-how working with Microsoft. I hope they
will be accepting of your recommendations.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft
Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Hi all,

As a follow-up to a thread on Edge and what not, here's the
story behind it:



Back in 2015, when Microsoft was working on Edge, it used a
specific info in a UI Automation attribute. In a recent
Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview builds, this
information has changed. Not only it broke Edge for some
screen readers, it also broke search results announcement in
Start menu among other controls. I and other developers have
been working with Microsoft on understanding what's going on
and provide needed fixes in our screen readers.



In regards to Edge support: Edge is a UIA universe.
Therefore a reasonable support for Edge will require good
UIA support from screen readers (termed UIA clients). Recent
screen readers do include UIA support facility (UIA handler
in NVDA, FSUIA in JAWS). However, it is known that Microsoft
includes broken UIA implementations in some apps (including
Office 2013, and in older releases, Edge), and MS is known
for changing UIA attributes without notice, giving screen
reader vendors (NV Access, VFO and others) a headache when
it comes to writing workarounds (hence Eric Damery's
statement on difficulty in supporting Edge in JAWS is
justified). I can go on about UIA stuff and workarounds that
screen reader developers came up with (I think it should be
a separate thread), as part of my recent work has been
hunting for weirdness in UIA and writing workarounds for it
in NVDA (my patch on UAC redesign workaround is a good
example, something that taught me not to trust MS completely
when it comes to certain UIA information).



In regards to UWP: due to security mechanism in place, some
screen readers will not announce typed characters (it was
observed in NVDA). Screen reader vendors and Microsoft were
told about this problem.



Third, about toasts: when toasts appear, they usually fire a
tool tip event, letting screen readers know that they should
announce new notifications. In a more recent Insider Preview
build, toasts do not fire this event, which means toasts
will not be announced by third-party screen readers
automatically (exception is Narrator). I raised this issue
with Microsoft and with NV Access, and at least NV Access
has put this as a high priority issue.



New UAC: Due to redesigned look of User Account Control in
Anniversary Update, some screen readers would not announce
UAC prompts. This affects not only third-party screen
readers, but also affects Narrator (turns out there is some
misunderstanding between MS and screen reader developers
when defining what exactly a dialog is). At least for NVDA,
this was resolved and is going through active testing in the
next/alpha snapshots.



Lastly, about so-called OneCore: According to Peter Bright
(Ars Technica) and various talks given by Microsoft staff,
OneCore is a group of shared components that power Windows
10. This include essential components all variants of
Windows 10 come with, with each variant including
variant-specific layer on top of that. For example, Windows
10 for PC's include oneCore, and on top are desktop and UWP
(Universal Windows Platform) components and other support
routines, whereas Windows 10 Mobile include OneCore and
phone functionality. An interesting variant is Windows
Holographic, which includes OneCore plus holographic user
interface and UWP.



The high-level overview of components included in each
variant of Windows 10 (to be seen in Anniversary Update)
are:



* OneCore: Windows NT kernel (ntoskrnl.exe),
subsystems support.

* PC's: OneCore, desktop experience, UWP, features
for different versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro,
Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB, Education), Windows Subsystem
for Linux if enabled (for 64-bit versions).

* Windows 10 Mobile: OneCore, telephony stack,
cellular connectivity components, UWP.

* Windows 10 IoT (Internet of Things): OneCore, UWP,
IoT-specific components.

* Windows Holographic (Microsoft HoloLens and
friends): OneCore, Windows Holographic interface, UWP.

* Xbox One: OneCore, game/OS hypervisor control
routine (called Nanovisor according to Peter Bright), UWP,
gaming components.

* Windows Server 2016: OneCore, choice of components
for server roles.



References:

* OneCore to rule them all (Ars Technica):
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecor
e-to-rule-them-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

* UAC prompt not announced by NVDA:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5942

* UIA frameowkr ID for Edge has changed:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5955

* Toasts not announced by NVDA in build 14366:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6096



The NVDA issue references are included as they contain
useful background info.



Cheers,

Joseph


Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi all,

As a follow-up to a thread on Edge and what not, here’s the story behind it:

 

Back in 2015, when Microsoft was working on Edge, it used a specific info in a UI Automation attribute. In a recent Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview builds, this information has changed. Not only it broke Edge for some screen readers, it also broke search results announcement in Start menu among other controls. I and other developers have been working with Microsoft on understanding what’s going on and provide needed fixes in our screen readers.

 

In regards to Edge support: Edge is a UIA universe. Therefore a reasonable support for Edge will require good UIA support from screen readers (termed UIA clients). Recent screen readers do include UIA support facility (UIA handler in NVDA, FSUIA in JAWS). However, it is known that Microsoft includes broken UIA implementations in some apps (including Office 2013, and in older releases, Edge), and MS is known for changing UIA attributes without notice, giving screen reader vendors (NV Access, VFO and others) a headache when it comes to writing workarounds (hence Eric Damery’s statement on difficulty in supporting Edge in JAWS is justified). I can go on about UIA stuff and workarounds that screen reader developers came up with (I think it should be a separate thread), as part of my recent work has been hunting for weirdness in UIA and writing workarounds for it in NVDA (my patch on UAC redesign workaround is a good example, something that taught me not to trust MS completely when it comes to certain UIA information).

 

In regards to UWP: due to security mechanism in place, some screen readers will not announce typed characters (it was observed in NVDA). Screen reader vendors and Microsoft were told about this problem.

 

Third, about toasts: when toasts appear, they usually fire a tool tip event, letting screen readers know that they should announce new notifications. In a more recent Insider Preview build, toasts do not fire this event, which means toasts will not be announced by third-party screen readers automatically (exception is Narrator). I raised this issue with Microsoft and with NV Access, and at least NV Access has put this as a high priority issue.

 

New UAC: Due to redesigned look of User Account Control in Anniversary Update, some screen readers would not announce UAC prompts. This affects not only third-party screen readers, but also affects Narrator (turns out there is some misunderstanding between MS and screen reader developers when defining what exactly a dialog is). At least for NVDA, this was resolved and is going through active testing in the next/alpha snapshots.

 

Lastly, about so-called OneCore: According to Peter Bright (Ars Technica) and various talks given by Microsoft staff, OneCore is a group of shared components that power Windows 10. This include essential components all variants of Windows 10 come with, with each variant including variant-specific layer on top of that. For example, Windows 10 for PC’s include oneCore, and on top are desktop and UWP (Universal Windows Platform) components and other support routines, whereas Windows 10 Mobile include OneCore and phone functionality. An interesting variant is Windows Holographic, which includes OneCore plus holographic user interface and UWP.

 

The high-level overview of components included in each variant of Windows 10 (to be seen in Anniversary Update) are:

 

·         OneCore: Windows NT kernel (ntoskrnl.exe), subsystems support.

·         PC’s: OneCore, desktop experience, UWP, features for different versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro, Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB, Education), Windows Subsystem for Linux if enabled (for 64-bit versions).

·         Windows 10 Mobile: OneCore, telephony stack, cellular connectivity components, UWP.

·         Windows 10 IoT (Internet of Things): OneCore, UWP, IoT-specific components.

·         Windows Holographic (Microsoft HoloLens and friends): OneCore, Windows Holographic interface, UWP.

·         Xbox One: OneCore, game/OS hypervisor control routine (called Nanovisor according to Peter Bright), UWP, gaming components.

·         Windows Server 2016: OneCore, choice of components for server roles.

 

References:

·         OneCore to rule them all (Ars Technica): http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecore-to-rule-them-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

·         UAC prompt not announced by NVDA: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5942

·         UIA frameowkr ID for Edge has changed: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5955

·         Toasts not announced by NVDA in build 14366: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6096

 

The NVDA issue references are included as they contain useful background info.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Carolyn Arnold
 

I don't know what kind my bathroom scale is, but I got it on Amazon for $28 in 2007.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

I have a Superior Talking Scale as well and have had it for at least 5 years.



Veronica



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale



Hi Gerald,



This is the scale from ILA we're currently using & it works very well.



ITEM# DESCRIPTION QTY TOTAL
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
756900 Superior Talking Scale with Clear Speak1 $63.95
Ship Via: GROUND SHIPPING (FREE S&H ON ORDERS $75+)

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:26 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale





Happy Independence Day holiday, gang. Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident. But let’s get back to practical technology. This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead. I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck. So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use. Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products. I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews. Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech? Are there any other models you guys would recommend? Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names. Thanks for your feedback.



Gerald


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Veronica Kirk
 

I have a Superior Talking Scale as well and have had it for at least 5 years.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

Hi Gerald,

 

This is the scale from ILA we're currently using & it works very well.

 

ITEM#          DESCRIPTION                            QTY    TOTAL    
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
756900         Superior Talking Scale with Clear Speak1      $63.95   
 Ship Via: GROUND SHIPPING (FREE S&H ON ORDERS $75+)

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:26 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

 

Happy Independence Day holiday, gang.  Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident.  But let’s get back to practical technology.  This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead.  I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck.  So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use.  Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products.  I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews.  Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech?  Are there any other models you guys would recommend?  Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names.  Thanks for your feedback. 

 

Gerald

 

 


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
No. But LOL, partly why I have just one inbox. I don't think you can even open all folders at once, either.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts



Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone










Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Have you got push notification enabled, or is it set to manual? Settings, email contacts calendars, push notifications. Set it to say, 30 minutes, and see whether anything changes.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Breger via Groups.io <ashbreger@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:02 pm
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts



Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone



Android tablet questions

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I was recently given an older Samsung Galaxy tablet and would like some help since I am not very proficient with the Android platform but wish to learn.
First of all, is there any way to have S Voice or Google now to stay running in the background so you don’t have to open the apps each time you wish to make use of them? I like S Voice for the things I want to use this function so really would like some pointers.
Is there any way to get the explore by touch to work consistently, or is it dependent on the app you may be using.
I did go grab KNFB reader right away before they raise the price. and find it works well on the tablet.
The tablet is running Kit Kat 4.4 and it is cellular enabled although I don’t have that activated it is an At&T tablet so, if I wanted to activate it on a temporary basis, is this possible and if I do, would I be able to get calls on Skype or Hangouts.
Sorry for so many questions but ...
Thanks, Marie
 


Re: fn key and jaws key issue

George Basioli <gbmagoo@...>
 

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Scarlet Ribbons

Carlos
 

Ribbons basically combine the functionality previously covered by menu bars and toolbars into a single location.

JAWS only handles ribbons differently when the "Virtual Ribbons" feature is enabled.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max G. Swanson" <swando99@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Scarlet Ribbons


Could someone give me a good definition of a ribbon vs. a menu? To me it
seems like merely a few extra key strokes, but there's got to be much more
to it than that.

I've managed to avoid using MS Word but have it, along with WinEyes and
NVDA. I mention this b/c have heard that Jaws handles ribbons differently
than other screenreaders.

Thanks for any and all thoughts on this one.
--
"We are stuck in ourselves. Who else to be stuck in?" A.Ginsberg.
Regards, Max


Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

Gene
 

That's good.  As an example, I consider Youtube to be a generally safe site.  You can't listen to music or anything else on it unless you run JAVA scripts.  On another site, I can't submit a comment without JAVA scripts on.  I don't just go to every site with scripts on.  I allow scripts on sites I expect to be safe and where I know scripts must be used to do what I want on the site.  Of course, something may happen but there is an enormous amount you can't do if you never allow them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

Point taken.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.
I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?
 
Thanks very much,
George


Re: can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

Carlos
 

Do you have Acrobat Reader installed?  If not, you should try installing it first.  I suppose the file type could be changed to be associated directly with Internet Explorer, but that might not work correctly with PDF files.  You can download Acrobat Reader from the following page.

----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 3:17 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

dear all,
 
How can I open every pdf files through Internet Explorer 11 that is my default browser now in my windows 10 system?
 
Please help.
The edge is not accessible for now.
And every pdf file is going through Edge.
 
Moti


Scarlet Ribbons

Max G. Swanson <swando99@...>
 

Could someone give me a good definition of a ribbon vs. a menu? To me it
seems like merely a few extra key strokes, but there's got to be much more
to it than that.

I've managed to avoid using MS Word but have it, along with WinEyes and
NVDA. I mention this b/c have heard that Jaws handles ribbons differently
than other screenreaders.

Thanks for any and all thoughts on this one.
--
"We are stuck in ourselves. Who else to be stuck in?" A.Ginsberg.
Regards, Max


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Gene
 

The screen-reader market is not a typical open market.  This isn't a business where there is real competition.  NVDA is supported by donations and grants.  If Microsoft tried to make a screen-reader roughly equivalent to NVDA and succeeded, where would grants and conttributions come from for NVDA.  Fallacy of composition.  You are considering screen-readers as a typical market situation when they are anything but.  If NVDA was a business and all the volunteer work and the work supported by grants and contributions was assigned its real value, NVDA would be expensive just as any other powerful screen-reader.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> As I stated in a previous message, I  believe a full-blown screen reader
> would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
 and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with
very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in
screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better
option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option
possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen
reader.




Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Matt
 

No just for each account! As I explain below. Now I myself can just touch
the mail app and it will tell me if I have mail and how many . it will not
tell me how many for each account unless I open the mail icon. Then I can if
I choose go to wwhere the list of all the mail accounts is and know how many
is in each account. But not from which address they came. This is not
possible as of yet. The most you can do is get a different notification
sound for each mail account you have and then how many mail you have in all
accounts and then if you open the mail account and have them all listed then
you can tell how many for each mail account. But not how many from what
address for example tech talk, tech chat and so on. Maybe in IOS10 this
might happen.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Where is the gmail settings menu?

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

Point taken.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?
 
I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.
I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?
 
Thanks very much,
George


can open pdf file only through the new browser Edge of win10 OS

Moty Azrad
 

dear all,
 
How can I open every pdf files through Internet Explorer 11 that is my default browser now in my windows 10 system?
 
Please help.
The edge is not accessible for now.
And every pdf file is going through Edge.
 
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Re: Where is the Gmail settings menu?

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

Thanks Matt.  I’ll check it out right away.
 
George
 

From: Matt
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the Gmail settings menu?
 

You can get to forward and email settings from basic HTML unless they have changed it . I have had no reason to go into it for years. That setting.

Now I just went up there and I have my set to Basic HTML and was able to get to it using Basic HTML by just going to settings and then forward and so on….

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I don't know what you can do on the Google site if you don't run JAVA scripts when working with GMail.  It makes no sense to say you won't run JAVA scripts as an absolute position.  I don't run JAVA scripts unless I believe a site is safe and I need to run them to do something I want to do on the site.  But taking absolute positions like this makes no sense.  It's like saying I will never cross a street or I will never ride in a car.  Most things people do are based on an assessment of risk and benefit.  There is nothing about JAVA scripts per se that means the benefits far outweigh the risks on some sites.  And you don't have to keep running JAVA scripts on the google site after you set up your account to download messages to your mail program. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: George McCoy

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:56 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Where is the gmail settings menu?

 

I want to add my gmail account to windows live mail 2012.  My directions say to log onto mail.google.com, click a gear icon, select settings and select either enable emap or enable pop3.  I have mail.google.com set to basic html view as I will not run java script in any of my browsers.

I don’t see a settings button or link which opens a menu to enable these services.  Could someone tell me where it is?

 

Thanks very much,

George


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone

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