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Re: Avast treasure chest question

Sugar
 

Smile
Thanks so much, truly appreciate that. I went ahead and deleted them all and
so far so good..smile
Sugar

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Zolo
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 4:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option. Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day! BZ!

-----Original Message-----
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Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
Thanks
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Re: keyboard on lenova

Carlos
 

So Control+Escape and Shift+F10 are not working?  You could try a remapping utility like SharpKeys,
but you would have to assign these functions to keys which you are sure you won't be using.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] keyboard on lenova

I have a couple of IBM laptops.  They seem to be the same thing some of you refer to as Lenova.  Neither machine has a "windows" or "logl" key.  Nor do they have a "eontext" key.  I am aware that there are replacement keystrokes, but they seem to not do exactly what those missing keys should be doing.  So, can one re-assign some key to take the place of those?  Maybe I should just get used to what I have been doing, huh?
 
Thanks.
 
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Not just a free screen reader, the best fully functional free screen reader which also just happens to be built-in to Windows is specifically the idea you were promoting. Powerful enough to sideline and outperform JAWS and NVDA I believe you said. What exactly about such a screen reader would allow for any kind of competition? You are contradicting yourself. Such a functional screen reader would not possibly allow JAWS or NVDA to survive. NVDA has not eliminated JAWS in part because it is not conveniently built-in to Windows, and in part because one is not so much more functional than the other. Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <lists@thekingstech.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi.

If a free screen reader will kill jaws, then why isn't it dead?

NVDA is out there, it's a good screen reader, and yet jaws survives.

I honestly don't see your side of this, if people like a screen reader
enough, then they will get it regardless of the costs.

Also, as someone else commented, what is so bad about one dommenant
screen reader if it does everything??? It is true that not every screen
reader does everything perfectly, but on the other hand, if this is the
case then there is a reason that not all screen readers will disappear.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The better ms
makes narator, the happier i'll be.


JMT.




On 7/5/2016 1:55 PM, Matt wrote:
Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.








Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

Hi.

I'm going to address these questions/comments one by one.


"
Well don’t have a problem with improving Narrator at all it is just the things they are improving with it. I would like to see focus on using Narrator to do a complete clean install and also be able to read the bio’s for us.
"
I can already do this by using the windows PE images. There is no way that ms will make the initial setup screens accessible if you're booting from the setup disk. I doubt this is even possible as you would have to load sound card drivers and a screen reader. That's probably twice as much as the initial installer.
I guess it might be possible if you had a text based setup though, since debian linux did it. However, even there, the graffical installer doesn't talk.
As for the bios, forget it. I don't think ms would even have direct control of this. You would have to go back to the pc manufacturers for that.

"
One you don’t force all updates on everyone! Leave the updates like they are in W7.
"
I agree with you on this. However from a venders perspective, it does make sense. Consider, someone buys a pc from a tech who has turned off windows updates. The average consumer will never notice the difference. 3 years later this person has a problem and contacts microsoft for help. The ms employee spends an hour or so on the phone troubleshooting and then figures out that updates haven't been installed for 3 years. This is very inefficient Because now on top of everything else the employee has to explain updates to the customer and why it matters that they are installed.

"

I am very disappointed that almost a year has went by and the flagship browser Edge is still not accessible to us. My fear as of now with that they end up getting rid of IE and Edged will still be inaccessible to us.
"

Here again, i am forced to agree with you. However, consider the size of the programing team at ms. I'm guessing there is an edge team and a narator team, among others.
The narator team has to get with the edge team, Who may or may not care about accessibility, and almost certainly have lots of other projects to work on. Also, There is a thread on this list which explains the edge situation.
Consider the worst. Maybe you have to migrate to firefox or chrome if they dump IE? I know people who won't touch IE with a 10 foot pole.

"
have the problem with them turning on all these features that invade your privacy. They should be turn off by default and you if you wish to can turn them on!
"

Again, i agree with you in principle. However, From the ms perspective, there are good reasons to have them turned on.
Consider cortana, and where it gets all it's data to interact with you. For a truely interactive experience, There is no other way since cortana needs to know things about you so it can respond correctly.
Another thing that many people don't realize is that apple and google do the same things with there hardware, we're just more used to it.
If you really want these features off, you can turn them off when setting up the computer.


As for device compatibility issues with windows 10, yes, there are some, although mostly with older hardware.
If you have up to date hardware, you will not have many issues.

My final thoughts.

Yes, windows 8.1 and 10 have there short comings, but if you know how to use them right, the experience is great.
People may think i'm different, but i will not voluntarily go back to win 7. My main computer runs windows 8.1, and i even prefer that over  7.
On the other hand, i don't really have plans to upgrade this machine to 10 before the free upgrade offer expires. My mac has win 10 on it and i like it but i don't think it's enough of a jump over 8.1 to make it worth it.


JMT.

On 7/5/2016 8:10 AM, Matt wrote:

Well don’t have a problem with improving Narrator at all it is just the things they are improving with it. I would like to see focus on using Narrator to do a complete clean install and also be able to read the bio’s for us. I don’t have a problem with W10 using it but I do think there is lots of improvement that can be done. One you don’t force all updates on everyone! Leave the updates like they are in W7. I am very disappointed that almost a year has went by and the flagship browser Edge is still not accessible to us. My fear as of now with that they end up getting rid of IE and Edged will still be inaccessible to us. I have the problem with them turning on all these features that invade your privacy. They should be turn off by default and you if you wish to can turn them on! I just don’t see this as improvement over W7 yes over W8 it is a big improvement. But the thing is if you want windows and support for it you will have to go to W10 in the next 4 years! So when that time comes if not before yes I will move to W10 ! I’m currently dual booted with W10 and W7.  I myself don’t have a lot of things hooked to my PC but some does and I have seen them have nightmare on this list with W10 and their stuff hooked to their computers. I have seen on this list brand new computers running W10 having problems with hardware built in to the computer. So W10 has a long way to go! It was released way before it was ready for mainstream! JMT!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 5:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Hi.

The atitude about this on this list is surprising to me.

Jean says.

"

If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option.  Why would people use something inferior? 

"

 

For the same reason they do now.

I know it's a tossup on which screen reader we think is best at this point but i think we can all agree that window eyes and system access aren't and haven't been the best options for a while now, Yet, they still exist.

Why is this?

 

Curious, What accessibility problems are in windows 10?

I don't have any trouble with it at this point. In fact, i really like it.

As for mail and edge, Both of them are improving, And until they become completely accessible, there are lots of other options out there for both functions. Keep in mind, IE is still on windows 10.

I don't have a lot of experience with office 2016 but there again, what i have done with it i haven't noticed any issues.

 

If ms wants to improve narator, i say Great job!

I can't see why we have to rip ms for adding new accessibility features. It just doesn't make sense. Look at it this way, At least they're trying.

 

 

 

On 7/4/2016 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:

If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option.  Why would people use something inferior?  And if it becomes the best and probably only option, then you will have much less chance of being able to deal with difficult situations where something can't be done or doesn't read with that one screen-reader.  At present, you may well find that a different screen-reader than the one you usually use may be able to be used in such situations to give enough access so you can do something. 

 

Microsoft has never said that Narrator is intended to be a full screen reader.  If Microsoft wants to try harder, then let them solve the accessibility problems in Windows 10.  And aren't there accessibility problems in Office 2016 as well?  I think I've seen messages about that now and then on the list.  The Microsoft e-mail app is still not properly accessible.  Edge is not properly accessible.  And we are supposed to be happy that this or that feature has been added to Narrator? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Norman

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:29 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Hi.

I didn't mean it would become the only option like voice over in mac.

I meant to say it would be the best option in windows, like voice over
in the mac.

I think we would all have to agree that tit would be great if narator
beat out both jaws and nvda based on performance.

However, i would still want nvda as a backup.


I know this sounds impossible, and yes we have a long way to go but it
seems to me that ms is trying a lot harder than they used to.


JMT.

On 7/4/2016 2:31 PM, Carlos wrote:
> Interestingly, what you are predicting in your last statement in my
> opinion is a cause for concern, not hope.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman" <lists@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
> screen reader? #poll
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another
>> option.
>>
>> I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may
>> seriously consider switching to windows phone from android.
>>
>> I would really like features like continuom and some of the things
>> along that line that ms is doing.
>>
>> In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i
>> can use.
>>
>> Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice
>> over is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined
>> because they aren't keeping up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
>>> Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator
>>> improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I
>>> don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently
>>> enough for it to warrant this much attention.  Certainly not at the
>>> expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>> I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but
>>> like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret
>>> formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do
>>> with what consumers are actually requesting.  In other words, they
>>> hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to
>>> Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life
>>> though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I
>>> know from experience.
>>>
>>> Bye for now,
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>> So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a
>>> backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for
>>> testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly
>>> impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is
>>> benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft
>>> would be better off investing more time and effort improving
>>> accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to
>>> turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to
>>> Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@...>
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find
>>> someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with
>>> Narrator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TerriLynne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>>> screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I only use Narrator for emergencies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>>> screen
>>> reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new poll has been created:
>>>
>>> Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
>>> 2. I never use Narrator
>>> 3. I use Narrator regularly
>>>
>>> Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Scarlet Ribbons

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi Max,

the ribbons in Windows are a combination of the old menus and the toolbars. It's just a combination of the two. They had to call it something new and spiffy. Advertizing, advertizing.

While you're puzzling over ribbons, here's a song to listen to; I think I like Jone Biez's version better or maybe it's Judy Collins, but this will do, didn't know Bellefante could sing so sweetly. Happy listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5611V_V_2mE

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Matt
 

There is a big difference! Then a free screen reader and a built in screen reader to the OS! Also till recently NVDA just was not a good alternative to Jaws but it is becoming more and more! I suspect it is putting a hurt on JFW and I would say We did the same as well with it free version! I really just don't see WE making it though now since it has been bought and JFw, We and Zoomtext is all under one roof now. Jaws is not the best screen reader out there but it is the standard for all the others ! So for example if MS came out with Narrator as a full screen reader it would still not right off the bat kill JFW but as it really came more robust it would put a hurting on JFW just as NVDA has ! If NVDA keeps improving like it has I think it will really start to hurt JFw. The problem is you have to shake JFW away from all these government agency and it is hard to do that ! but a built in screen reader that is a sure enough screen reader would do that! Jfw could survive but it would take a lot of cutting on the price and such. Just don't know if they or how much they could stand cutting of the price . I guess they could not give as many updates and as many new version and this would help . but it might hurt as well as bug fixes and such would wait till they did the updates and say it might just be 1 or two a year. Sort of like Apple they don't do a lot of updates when a new version come out they usually do around two to 4 updates just depending and all them don't address Vo issues. JST


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Hi.

If a free screen reader will kill jaws, then why isn't it dead?

NVDA is out there, it's a good screen reader, and yet jaws survives.

I honestly don't see your side of this, if people like a screen reader enough, then they will get it regardless of the costs.

Also, as someone else commented, what is so bad about one dommenant screen reader if it does everything??? It is true that not every screen reader does everything perfectly, but on the other hand, if this is the case then there is a reason that not all screen readers will disappear.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The better ms makes narator, the happier i'll be.


JMT.




On 7/5/2016 1:55 PM, Matt wrote:
Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.








Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Carlos
 

Yes, you will need sighted assistance.  And the key to access the BIOS again depends on the manufacturer/model.  What is the brand an model?  Using the brand and model number, you can usually find this information in a quick Google search.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

just to be clear, I need some one sited?  How do I access the bios?

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

just to be clear, I need some one sited?  How do I access the bios?

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Avast treasure chest question

Brian Zolo <bzolo@...>
 

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option. Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day! BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
Thanks
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop








__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 13758P (20160705) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Carlos
 

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

Hi.

If a free screen reader will kill jaws, then why isn't it dead?

NVDA is out there, it's a good screen reader, and yet jaws survives.

I honestly don't see your side of this, if people like a screen reader enough, then they will get it regardless of the costs.

Also, as someone else commented, what is so bad about one dommenant screen reader if it does everything??? It is true that not every screen reader does everything perfectly, but on the other hand, if this is the case then there is a reason that not all screen readers will disappear.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The better ms makes narator, the happier i'll be.


JMT.

On 7/5/2016 1:55 PM, Matt wrote:
Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.







Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


keyboard on lenova

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

I have a couple of IBM laptops.  They seem to be the same thing some of you refer to as Lenova.  Neither machine has a "windows" or "logl" key.  Nor do they have a "eontext" key.  I am aware that there are replacement keystrokes, but they seem to not do exactly what those missing keys should be doing.  So, can one re-assign some key to take the place of those?  Maybe I should just get used to what I have been doing, huh?
 
Thanks.
 
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace - - the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- the kind that enables man and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - - not merely peace for Americans by peace for all men and women - - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Carolyn Arnold
 

Thank you, Joseph. Good to know that there is someone like
you with your know-how working with Microsoft. I hope they
will be accepting of your recommendations.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft
Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Hi all,

As a follow-up to a thread on Edge and what not, here's the
story behind it:



Back in 2015, when Microsoft was working on Edge, it used a
specific info in a UI Automation attribute. In a recent
Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview builds, this
information has changed. Not only it broke Edge for some
screen readers, it also broke search results announcement in
Start menu among other controls. I and other developers have
been working with Microsoft on understanding what's going on
and provide needed fixes in our screen readers.



In regards to Edge support: Edge is a UIA universe.
Therefore a reasonable support for Edge will require good
UIA support from screen readers (termed UIA clients). Recent
screen readers do include UIA support facility (UIA handler
in NVDA, FSUIA in JAWS). However, it is known that Microsoft
includes broken UIA implementations in some apps (including
Office 2013, and in older releases, Edge), and MS is known
for changing UIA attributes without notice, giving screen
reader vendors (NV Access, VFO and others) a headache when
it comes to writing workarounds (hence Eric Damery's
statement on difficulty in supporting Edge in JAWS is
justified). I can go on about UIA stuff and workarounds that
screen reader developers came up with (I think it should be
a separate thread), as part of my recent work has been
hunting for weirdness in UIA and writing workarounds for it
in NVDA (my patch on UAC redesign workaround is a good
example, something that taught me not to trust MS completely
when it comes to certain UIA information).



In regards to UWP: due to security mechanism in place, some
screen readers will not announce typed characters (it was
observed in NVDA). Screen reader vendors and Microsoft were
told about this problem.



Third, about toasts: when toasts appear, they usually fire a
tool tip event, letting screen readers know that they should
announce new notifications. In a more recent Insider Preview
build, toasts do not fire this event, which means toasts
will not be announced by third-party screen readers
automatically (exception is Narrator). I raised this issue
with Microsoft and with NV Access, and at least NV Access
has put this as a high priority issue.



New UAC: Due to redesigned look of User Account Control in
Anniversary Update, some screen readers would not announce
UAC prompts. This affects not only third-party screen
readers, but also affects Narrator (turns out there is some
misunderstanding between MS and screen reader developers
when defining what exactly a dialog is). At least for NVDA,
this was resolved and is going through active testing in the
next/alpha snapshots.



Lastly, about so-called OneCore: According to Peter Bright
(Ars Technica) and various talks given by Microsoft staff,
OneCore is a group of shared components that power Windows
10. This include essential components all variants of
Windows 10 come with, with each variant including
variant-specific layer on top of that. For example, Windows
10 for PC's include oneCore, and on top are desktop and UWP
(Universal Windows Platform) components and other support
routines, whereas Windows 10 Mobile include OneCore and
phone functionality. An interesting variant is Windows
Holographic, which includes OneCore plus holographic user
interface and UWP.



The high-level overview of components included in each
variant of Windows 10 (to be seen in Anniversary Update)
are:



* OneCore: Windows NT kernel (ntoskrnl.exe),
subsystems support.

* PC's: OneCore, desktop experience, UWP, features
for different versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro,
Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB, Education), Windows Subsystem
for Linux if enabled (for 64-bit versions).

* Windows 10 Mobile: OneCore, telephony stack,
cellular connectivity components, UWP.

* Windows 10 IoT (Internet of Things): OneCore, UWP,
IoT-specific components.

* Windows Holographic (Microsoft HoloLens and
friends): OneCore, Windows Holographic interface, UWP.

* Xbox One: OneCore, game/OS hypervisor control
routine (called Nanovisor according to Peter Bright), UWP,
gaming components.

* Windows Server 2016: OneCore, choice of components
for server roles.



References:

* OneCore to rule them all (Ars Technica):
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecor
e-to-rule-them-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

* UAC prompt not announced by NVDA:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5942

* UIA frameowkr ID for Edge has changed:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5955

* Toasts not announced by NVDA in build 14366:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6096



The NVDA issue references are included as they contain
useful background info.



Cheers,

Joseph


Windows 10 Anniversary Update/Microsoft Edge and UWP: one change affects everyone

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi all,

As a follow-up to a thread on Edge and what not, here’s the story behind it:

 

Back in 2015, when Microsoft was working on Edge, it used a specific info in a UI Automation attribute. In a recent Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview builds, this information has changed. Not only it broke Edge for some screen readers, it also broke search results announcement in Start menu among other controls. I and other developers have been working with Microsoft on understanding what’s going on and provide needed fixes in our screen readers.

 

In regards to Edge support: Edge is a UIA universe. Therefore a reasonable support for Edge will require good UIA support from screen readers (termed UIA clients). Recent screen readers do include UIA support facility (UIA handler in NVDA, FSUIA in JAWS). However, it is known that Microsoft includes broken UIA implementations in some apps (including Office 2013, and in older releases, Edge), and MS is known for changing UIA attributes without notice, giving screen reader vendors (NV Access, VFO and others) a headache when it comes to writing workarounds (hence Eric Damery’s statement on difficulty in supporting Edge in JAWS is justified). I can go on about UIA stuff and workarounds that screen reader developers came up with (I think it should be a separate thread), as part of my recent work has been hunting for weirdness in UIA and writing workarounds for it in NVDA (my patch on UAC redesign workaround is a good example, something that taught me not to trust MS completely when it comes to certain UIA information).

 

In regards to UWP: due to security mechanism in place, some screen readers will not announce typed characters (it was observed in NVDA). Screen reader vendors and Microsoft were told about this problem.

 

Third, about toasts: when toasts appear, they usually fire a tool tip event, letting screen readers know that they should announce new notifications. In a more recent Insider Preview build, toasts do not fire this event, which means toasts will not be announced by third-party screen readers automatically (exception is Narrator). I raised this issue with Microsoft and with NV Access, and at least NV Access has put this as a high priority issue.

 

New UAC: Due to redesigned look of User Account Control in Anniversary Update, some screen readers would not announce UAC prompts. This affects not only third-party screen readers, but also affects Narrator (turns out there is some misunderstanding between MS and screen reader developers when defining what exactly a dialog is). At least for NVDA, this was resolved and is going through active testing in the next/alpha snapshots.

 

Lastly, about so-called OneCore: According to Peter Bright (Ars Technica) and various talks given by Microsoft staff, OneCore is a group of shared components that power Windows 10. This include essential components all variants of Windows 10 come with, with each variant including variant-specific layer on top of that. For example, Windows 10 for PC’s include oneCore, and on top are desktop and UWP (Universal Windows Platform) components and other support routines, whereas Windows 10 Mobile include OneCore and phone functionality. An interesting variant is Windows Holographic, which includes OneCore plus holographic user interface and UWP.

 

The high-level overview of components included in each variant of Windows 10 (to be seen in Anniversary Update) are:

 

·         OneCore: Windows NT kernel (ntoskrnl.exe), subsystems support.

·         PC’s: OneCore, desktop experience, UWP, features for different versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro, Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB, Education), Windows Subsystem for Linux if enabled (for 64-bit versions).

·         Windows 10 Mobile: OneCore, telephony stack, cellular connectivity components, UWP.

·         Windows 10 IoT (Internet of Things): OneCore, UWP, IoT-specific components.

·         Windows Holographic (Microsoft HoloLens and friends): OneCore, Windows Holographic interface, UWP.

·         Xbox One: OneCore, game/OS hypervisor control routine (called Nanovisor according to Peter Bright), UWP, gaming components.

·         Windows Server 2016: OneCore, choice of components for server roles.

 

References:

·         OneCore to rule them all (Ars Technica): http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecore-to-rule-them-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

·         UAC prompt not announced by NVDA: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5942

·         UIA frameowkr ID for Edge has changed: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5955

·         Toasts not announced by NVDA in build 14366: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6096

 

The NVDA issue references are included as they contain useful background info.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Carolyn Arnold
 

I don't know what kind my bathroom scale is, but I got it on Amazon for $28 in 2007.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

I have a Superior Talking Scale as well and have had it for at least 5 years.



Veronica



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale



Hi Gerald,



This is the scale from ILA we're currently using & it works very well.



ITEM# DESCRIPTION QTY TOTAL
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
756900 Superior Talking Scale with Clear Speak1 $63.95
Ship Via: GROUND SHIPPING (FREE S&H ON ORDERS $75+)

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:26 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale





Happy Independence Day holiday, gang. Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident. But let’s get back to practical technology. This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead. I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck. So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use. Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products. I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews. Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech? Are there any other models you guys would recommend? Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names. Thanks for your feedback.



Gerald


Re: Talking Bathroom Scale

Veronica Kirk
 

I have a Superior Talking Scale as well and have had it for at least 5 years.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

Hi Gerald,

 

This is the scale from ILA we're currently using & it works very well.

 

ITEM#          DESCRIPTION                            QTY    TOTAL    
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
756900         Superior Talking Scale with Clear Speak1      $63.95   
 Ship Via: GROUND SHIPPING (FREE S&H ON ORDERS $75+)

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:26 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Bathroom Scale

 

 

Happy Independence Day holiday, gang.  Sorry I caused such a furor over the article about the fatal self-driving car accident.  But let’s get back to practical technology.  This morning, when I stepped on my Phoenix by My Weigh talking scale for my monthly weigh-in, I discovered to my chagrin that it was totally dead.  I installed three different brand-new 9 volt alkaline batteries to try to revive it, but no luck.  So I’m in the market for a new talking bathroom scale other than this one, which only lasted three years with infrequent use.  Amazon.com has a nice selection of talking scales between $25 and $30, which is much cheaper than the blindness vendors charge for the same products.  I have narrowed my choices to either the American Weigh 330CVS or the Taylor Precision 7084 talking scales, both of which have received mostly positive reviews.  Does anyone own one of these two models, and if so, how accessible is it, and how loud and clear is the speech?  Are there any other models you guys would recommend?  Please provide specific brands and model numbers or names.  Thanks for your feedback. 

 

Gerald

 

 


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
No. But LOL, partly why I have just one inbox. I don't think you can even open all folders at once, either.



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----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts



Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed to
different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone mailing
list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail app, check the
mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different
accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so
that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently
when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but
however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

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Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Have you got push notification enabled, or is it set to manual? Settings, email contacts calendars, push notifications. Set it to say, 30 minutes, and see whether anything changes.



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----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Breger via Groups.io <ashbreger=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:02 pm
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts



Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up so that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and currently when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it says no mail but however when I go into it it shows me that I have new emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

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Android tablet questions

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I was recently given an older Samsung Galaxy tablet and would like some help since I am not very proficient with the Android platform but wish to learn.
First of all, is there any way to have S Voice or Google now to stay running in the background so you don’t have to open the apps each time you wish to make use of them? I like S Voice for the things I want to use this function so really would like some pointers.
Is there any way to get the explore by touch to work consistently, or is it dependent on the app you may be using.
I did go grab KNFB reader right away before they raise the price. and find it works well on the tablet.
The tablet is running Kit Kat 4.4 and it is cellular enabled although I don’t have that activated it is an At&T tablet so, if I wanted to activate it on a temporary basis, is this possible and if I do, would I be able to get calls on Skype or Hangouts.
Sorry for so many questions but ...
Thanks, Marie
 

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