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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

thank you very much sir, that did the trick

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Try pressing Fn+Escape to reverse the functionality of the F keys.
Source:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

it is a dell Inspiron 5558  

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Yes, you will need sighted assistance.  And the key to access the BIOS again depends on the manufacturer/model.  What is the brand an model?  Using the brand and model number, you can usually find this information in a quick Google search.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

just to be clear, I need some one sited?  How do I access the bios?

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

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Re: Avast Treasure chest is all resolved. thanks

Gene
 

Do you understand what quaranteening is?  The tech should have told you that it makes no practical difference if you delete the files or not.  When a file is quaranteened, it is kept in a part of the program where it is separate from everything else.  I don't know what your tech said.  But if he simply made the statement that it is better to delete a quaranteened file, then that calls his advice into question.  The answer should habve been that it makes no practical diffference and that, since antivirus programs sometimes quarantene files that should not be because of a false positive, that unless you know a file is not possibly needed, it's better to just leave it. 
 
Probably none of the files you deleted are needed by the computer.  But why delete files even if there is a small possibility they will be needed?  They can't do anything if they are quaraanteened and if necessary, you can move a file from quarantene back to where it was originally. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:36 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast Treasure chest is all resolved. thanks

Thank you all for your suggestions. With some chatting with a tech individual I was advised to delete them if I dit know what they were, so I did and all is well.

I saw no reason to keep them lurking in my pc..smile

Thanks again

Sugar

 

‘Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.’

Sugar

 

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty Recipes:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

 

Avast automatically quaranteens files by default.  If people want to delete them or just let them sit on their computer, it makes no practical difference. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Zolo

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

 

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin!  I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option.  Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day!  BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
Thanks
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
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Re: ipad air 2 question

Kimsan
 

Yeah, that is what I found out. Apparently you were sending your email while I was researching it haha.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] ipad air 2 question

 

Yes, that is correct.

Joseph Hudson

Email

I device support

Telephone

2543007667

Skype

joseph.hudson89 facebook

Twitter

 

FaceTime/iMessage

 

On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

 

So according to what I found out Mr Joseph, I can indeed send text messages if I set up the continuity option between the ipad and iphone. Not speaking macs seeing as no macs are here in the house.

However, every sent and received message can be viewed from both devices.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] ipad air 2 question

 

Hello, yes you can. If you have text messaging enabled on an iPhone 5S or later. Having said that, you ask what the purpose of a message app on the iPad is for. Well the iPhone and Mac and iPad also are able to send Messages to each other and they're called iMessages. These are messages, that travel through the Internet.

Joseph Hudson

Email

I device support

Telephone

2543007667

Skype

joseph.hudson89 facebook

Twitter

 

FaceTime/iMessage

 

On Jul 4, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

 

I have never owned an ipad, so excuse the stupid question.  Can one send a text message using an ipad?

If not, what’s the purpose of the message app on the ipad.

Thanks.

 

 


Re: How to make two different email alerts for two different accounts

Kimsan
 

I have multiple folders, and one inbox as well but just thought I'd ask.
Believe it or not, I don't use my phone as much as most do, my iphone six
that is. I mainly use it for phone calls and texts. I'm stuck until august
of 2017 until I can ditch an iphone. If I were to quit the contract right
now, I will owe 650 bucks or so. Lol Then, I will go for a basic flip phone
that will have speech. I think they have some out there somewhere in this
wonderful world we live in.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi,
No. But LOL, partly why I have just one inbox. I don't think you can even
open all folders at once, either.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <kimsansong@outlook.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts



Is there a way to have different sounds for the incoming mail directed
to different folders?

On my phone, I generally check my inbox but my tech talk and IPhone
mailing list gain the most traffic so I do not want to open the mail
app, check the mail app and there is nothing in the inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi, to get different mail alerts on the iPhone do this: go to settings and
then notification and then mail and under here go to the account you
want
and tap on it and you will see where you can change your notification
sound!
HTH


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ashley Breger via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to make two different email alerts for two
different accounts

Hi group,
I have two different email accounts and I'm not sure how to set it up
so that it will alert me when I have a new email I use voiceover and
currently when I touch the mail icon at the bottom of my screen it
says no mail but however when I go into it it shows me that I have new
emails.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone










Re: ipad air 2 question

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Yes, that is correct.
Joseph Hudson
Email
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
Twitter

FaceTime/iMessage

On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

So according to what I found out Mr Joseph, I can indeed send text messages if I set up the continuity option between the ipad and iphone. Not speaking macs seeing as no macs are here in the house.
However, every sent and received message can be viewed from both devices.
 
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] ipad air 2 question
 
Hello, yes you can. If you have text messaging enabled on an iPhone 5S or later. Having said that, you ask what the purpose of a message app on the iPad is for. Well the iPhone and Mac and iPad also are able to send Messages to each other and they're called iMessages. These are messages, that travel through the Internet.
Joseph Hudson
Email
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
Twitter
 
FaceTime/iMessage
 
On Jul 4, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
 
I have never owned an ipad, so excuse the stupid question.  Can one send a text message using an ipad?
If not, what’s the purpose of the message app on the ipad.
Thanks.
 



Avast Treasure chest is all resolved. thanks

Sugar
 

Thank you all for your suggestions. With some chatting with a tech individual I was advised to delete them if I dit know what they were, so I did and all is well.

I saw no reason to keep them lurking in my pc..smile

Thanks again

Sugar

 

‘Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.’

Sugar

 

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty Recipes:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

 

Avast automatically quaranteens files by default.  If people want to delete them or just let them sit on their computer, it makes no practical difference. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Zolo

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

 

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin!  I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option.  Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day!  BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
Thanks
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
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Re: Avast treasure chest question

Gene
 

Avast automatically quaranteens files by default.  If people want to delete them or just let them sit on their computer, it makes no practical difference. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Zolo
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin!  I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option.  Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day!  BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
Thanks
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop








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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Gene
 

No one said that a free screen-reader will kill JAWS per se.  JAWS does things in employment and academic settings that NVDA doesn't do.  NVDA does things at times that JAWS doesn't do and it is often more responsive.  You are misrepresenting the argument that has been made.  What has been said is that if Narrator got good enough, it would displace NVDA and it might cut into JAWS sales enough that JAWS wouldn't survive.  Are you familiar with how Microsoft became dominant for many years in the browser wars?  It bundled its own browser with Windows.  For years, most people just used what came with Windows.  That is a real life example.  Enough people used browsers and enough people were dissatisfied with Internet Explorer that other browsers survived with small amounts of market share.  Then, over time, people got smarter and, as Internet
Explorer fell behind, they started using browsers like Firefox and Chrome in much larger numgbers.   The screen-reader market is very small.  Screen--readers wouldn't be able to survive if Microsoft developed a really good screen-reader and bundled it with Windows. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Hi.

If a free screen reader will kill jaws, then why isn't it dead?

NVDA is out there, it's a good screen reader, and yet jaws survives.

I honestly don't see your side of this, if people like a screen reader
enough, then they will get it regardless of the costs.

Also, as someone else commented, what is so bad about one dommenant
screen reader if it does everything??? It is true that not every screen
reader does everything perfectly, but on the other hand, if this is the
case then there is a reason that not all screen readers will disappear.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The better ms
makes narator, the happier i'll be.


JMT.




On 7/5/2016 1:55 PM, Matt wrote:
> Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!
>
>
> Matt.from.florida@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
>
> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
>> As I stated in a previous message, I  believe a full-blown screen
>> reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
>   and might stifle 3rd-party developers.
>
> I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
> That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.
>
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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carlos
 

I'm not sure about your settings not being saved. Classic Explorer is a
component which is installed as part of the Classic Shell package along with
Classic Start menu.

----- Original Message -----
From: "joanne" <grandma1323@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


Is Classic Explorer a separate program from Classic Shell, or is Classic
Explorer something you would download as part of the Classic Shell
program? It mentions things like classic start menu and classic explorer,
but I'm wondering if this Classic Explorer could be a different program
than Classic Shell and by having both programs it would look even more
like the menus in windows 7.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows
7


The article discusses other changes which are not made by Classic Shell or
Classic Explorer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows
7


Hi Group,


Doesn't classic shell and classic Windows Explorer work in Windows 10?
I had heard that they do. If you install those programs, wouldn't it be
easier to obtain the old look rather than making all the changes manually?



On 7/2/2016 5:02 PM, Joe wrote:
I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe




How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


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Submitted by rhiannon | Last update on 16th June, 2016 - 9:44pm





Windows 7 screenshot
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/files/images/techtreats/Windows7_0.jpg>
If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use
Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7
interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like
Windows
7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible.
Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the
Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using
Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-windows-8-start-menu-replacement.htm>
made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows
10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like
Windows 7:

* Windows 7 like Start Menu
* Aero Glass Transparency
* Disable the Lock Screen
* Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
* Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
* Disable Quick Access
* Disable Action Center
* Install desktop gadgets
* Get Windows 7 like folders
* Uninstall and remove Edge browser
* Get rid of default modern apps
* Use a local account to sign in
* Enable the classic Personalization window
* Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking
Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article
has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some
options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The
other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how
to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
<http://www.infoworld.com/article/3053701/microsoft-windows/block-windows-10-forced-updates-without-breaking-your-machine-part-2.html>
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-windows-10-annoyances-how-to-make-them-go-away-for-good/>

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I
left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum
where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct
link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7
Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-classic-windows-7-games-windows-8-and-10-free.htm>
.


15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
<http://www.intowindows.com/make-windows-10-look-like-windows-7/>



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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or
don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by
an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good
default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts
when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the
system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they
work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts
untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without
needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the
updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will
eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is
meant
to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in
Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it
instigates
changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with
updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found
Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't
have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

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eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool
Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years
and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being
raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on
2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after
latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on
using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension.
These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out
anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of
trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be
"corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site
Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best
bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are
hard
to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality
graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or
fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of
fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements,
simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things
as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it
works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many
cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to
radically
different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an
appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over
background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve.
http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...
<http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personalization-settings/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent
on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on
Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself
across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead
IGNORANCE
on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go
vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED,
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD,
1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP
with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with
Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business
application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am
tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

(126968)

Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite
(https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than
Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than
your
laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

(126969)

There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux
might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with
although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to
MX Linux. MC - Site Manager.
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...
<http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-popular-lightweight-linux-distros-1295034>

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

(126962)

There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our
article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-virtualization-solutions.htm>

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux.
Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

(126963)

rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement
with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

(126964)

If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article
helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and
Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint
<http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

(126965)

rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference
article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

(126951)

Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and
intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux
Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all
Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

(126956)

You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does,
as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot
Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

(126973)

I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be
complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

(126975)

It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on
Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just
one example.
https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The
only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the
virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with
an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

(126947)

I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like
have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with
Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really
want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as
I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to
only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had
zero
success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and
installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even
at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

(126950)

Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone
has
bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use
a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the
appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

(126974)

I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found
nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

(126944)

Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like
the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred
the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very
similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to
look
like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

(126945)

I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows,
maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Carlos
 

Try pressing Fn+Escape to reverse the functionality of the F keys.
Source:

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

it is a dell Inspiron 5558  

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Yes, you will need sighted assistance.  And the key to access the BIOS again depends on the manufacturer/model.  What is the brand an model?  Using the brand and model number, you can usually find this information in a quick Google search.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

just to be clear, I need some one sited?  How do I access the bios?

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

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Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

joanne
 

Is Classic Explorer a separate program from Classic Shell, or is Classic Explorer something you would download as part of the Classic Shell program? It mentions things like classic start menu and classic explorer, but I'm wondering if this Classic Explorer could be a different program than Classic Shell and by having both programs it would look even more like the menus in windows 7.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


The article discusses other changes which are not made by Classic Shell or
Classic Explorer.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


Hi Group,


Doesn't classic shell and classic Windows Explorer work in Windows 10?
I had heard that they do. If you install those programs, wouldn't it be
easier to obtain the old look rather than making all the changes manually?



On 7/2/2016 5:02 PM, Joe wrote:
I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe




How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


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Windows 7 screenshot
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If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use
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interface, then this article is a must read.
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7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible.
Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the
Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using
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<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-windows-8-start-menu-replacement.htm>
made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows
10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like
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* Windows 7 like Start Menu
* Aero Glass Transparency
* Disable the Lock Screen
* Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
* Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
* Disable Quick Access
* Disable Action Center
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<http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-windows-10-annoyances-how-to-make-them-go-away-for-good/>

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I
left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum
where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct
link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7
Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-classic-windows-7-games-windows-8-and-10-free.htm>
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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or
don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by
an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good
default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts
when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the
system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they
work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts
untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without
needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the
updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will
eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant
to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in
Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates
changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with
updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

(127001)

Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found
Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't
have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool
Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years
and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being
raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on
2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after
latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on
using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension.
These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out
anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of
trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be
"corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site
Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best
bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard
to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality
graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or
fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of
fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements,
simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things
as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it
works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many
cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically
different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an
appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over
background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve.
http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...
<http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personalization-settings/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent
on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on
Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself
across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE
on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go
vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED,
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD,
1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP
with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with
Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business
application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am
tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

(126968)

Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite
(https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than
Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your
laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux
might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with
although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to
MX Linux. MC - Site Manager.
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...
<http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-popular-lightweight-linux-distros-1295034>

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our
article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-virtualization-solutions.htm>

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux.
Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement
with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article
helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and
Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint
<http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference
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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and
intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux
Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all
Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does,
as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot
Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be
complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on
Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just
one example.
https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The
only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the
virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with
an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like
have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with
Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really
want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as
I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to
only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero
success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and
installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even
at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has
bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use
a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the
appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found
nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like
the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred
the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very
similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look
like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows,
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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

joanne
 


Carlos, I use Classic Shell on my windows 10 laptop but my settings won't stay.  It seems like upon next restart my start menu goes right back to the windows 10 one.  I'm glad I don't have to deal with this computer much, but classic shell is a great program but I just can't make my settings stay in.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

In my case Classic Shell
took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe

 

How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

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Windows 7 screenshotIf you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

  • Windows 7 like Start Menu
  • Aero Glass Transparency
  • Disable the Lock Screen
  • Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
  • Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
  • Disable Quick Access
  • Disable Action Center
  • Install desktop gadgets
  • Get Windows 7 like folders
  • Uninstall and remove Edge browser
  • Get rid of default modern apps
  • Use a local account to sign in
  • Enable the classic Personalization window
  • Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
 

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

(127001)

Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

(126968)

Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

(126969)

There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

(126962)

There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

(126963)

rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

(126964)

If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

(126965)

rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

(126951)

Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

(126956)

You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

(126973)

I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

(126975)

It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

(126947)

I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

(126950)

Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

(126974)

I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

(126944)

Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

(126945)

I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: fn key and jaws key issue

Michael Amaro
 

it is a dell Inspiron 5558  

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Yes, you will need sighted assistance.  And the key to access the BIOS again depends on the manufacturer/model.  What is the brand an model?  Using the brand and model number, you can usually find this information in a quick Google search.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

just to be clear, I need some one sited?  How do I access the bios?

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

Look for an item labeled something like
"Action Keys"
or
"Hotkeys"
Unfortunately, it is dependent on the manufacturer/model.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

how do I access the bios? Once there, what do I need to change

From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

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Which works best in Windows 10, TB or WLM

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

which email client works best in Windows 10, Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird? The Mail app just isn't as accessible as I would like, maybe in the anniversary update coming in August.


Re: Avast treasure chest question

Sugar
 

Smile
Thanks so much, truly appreciate that. I went ahead and deleted them all and
so far so good..smile
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Zolo
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 4:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Avast treasure chest question

Hey there, Sugar, Brian Zolo here, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'd
either delete them or quarantine them if Avast gives you that option. Let
me know if I can be of further assistance, you have a great day! BZ!

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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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Hi everyone
I use windows 7, Jaws 14, office 2010 on a 64 desk top I use Avast and in my
treasure chest I show 20 files. Should I delete these files?
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Re: keyboard on lenova

Carlos
 

So Control+Escape and Shift+F10 are not working?  You could try a remapping utility like SharpKeys,
but you would have to assign these functions to keys which you are sure you won't be using.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] keyboard on lenova

I have a couple of IBM laptops.  They seem to be the same thing some of you refer to as Lenova.  Neither machine has a "windows" or "logl" key.  Nor do they have a "eontext" key.  I am aware that there are replacement keystrokes, but they seem to not do exactly what those missing keys should be doing.  So, can one re-assign some key to take the place of those?  Maybe I should just get used to what I have been doing, huh?
 
Thanks.
 
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: George B
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

I had to have someone change mine in the bios on my lenova yoga 900

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

As I said, with some laptops this has to be changed in the BIOS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

    I tried using the fn key with the f12 and f11 keys all it says is f11 and f12.  It doesn't do what its supposed to. I also tried going to the mobility center.  I didn't see anything about changing keyboard functions.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

The standard F key operations are probably reversed which is common on many laptops.   In such cases, the F keys will perform their normal function in combination with the Fn key.  You can usually change this behavior either in the BIOS, with a manufacturer supplied utility, or Mobility Center depending on the brand/model.  With some Dell laptops you can change this behavior in Mobility Center.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] fn key and jaws key issue

 

Hello Listers,

 

I am running windows 10 pro jaws 17.  I found out that when I disconnect my USB keyboard and I try to use the jaws key plus f11 or jaws plus f12 functions via the laptop keyboard.  I have to use the fn key in order to make them work.  How do I make it so I don't have to use the fn key?

 

thanks

 

Michael

 

email/skype:

 

 

JFK"

 

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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos
 

Not just a free screen reader, the best fully functional free screen reader which also just happens to be built-in to Windows is specifically the idea you were promoting. Powerful enough to sideline and outperform JAWS and NVDA I believe you said. What exactly about such a screen reader would allow for any kind of competition? You are contradicting yourself. Such a functional screen reader would not possibly allow JAWS or NVDA to survive. NVDA has not eliminated JAWS in part because it is not conveniently built-in to Windows, and in part because one is not so much more functional than the other. Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <lists@thekingstech.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll


Hi.

If a free screen reader will kill jaws, then why isn't it dead?

NVDA is out there, it's a good screen reader, and yet jaws survives.

I honestly don't see your side of this, if people like a screen reader
enough, then they will get it regardless of the costs.

Also, as someone else commented, what is so bad about one dommenant
screen reader if it does everything??? It is true that not every screen
reader does everything perfectly, but on the other hand, if this is the
case then there is a reason that not all screen readers will disappear.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The better ms
makes narator, the happier i'll be.


JMT.




On 7/5/2016 1:55 PM, Matt wrote:
Well that is the problem. Is that most will evently die! As they will not have the funds! Why would you pay 1000 bucks or more for a screen reader when you can get one that is free and built in the system that will do all you want it to do! It will very much hurt JFW. It would more than likely hurt NVDA as people would not donate to it and they needs funds to survive. I can see some that is working and need the features JFW has buying it or getting a government agency to buy it for them but the ones that had to buy out of the pocket would I don't think buy it or keep putting out the SMA every two years. Then when Narrator got really robust and close to JFW then government agency might very well just say why should we buy one when it is built in to the system free! I just don't see this being good. Yes this is the way the business world works the strong survives and I think if narrator got good enough it would kill the other screen readers and they would go out of business and end up leaving us with just one screen reader and if it did not do what you wanted then you would be out of luck, The only one I see could survive a robust Narrator would be NVDA!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As I stated in a previous message, I believe a full-blown screen
reader would give Microsoft an unfair advantage >
and might stifle 3rd-party developers.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Whereas apple is a closed platform with very few options, Windows is (relatively) open; and if there is a built in screen reader, developers will just work harder to make theirs a better option.
That's how business works. You work harder to make yours the best option possible, or you die. Be it a cafe, an audio editing solution, or a screen reader.








Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Norman
 

Hi.

I'm going to address these questions/comments one by one.


"
Well don’t have a problem with improving Narrator at all it is just the things they are improving with it. I would like to see focus on using Narrator to do a complete clean install and also be able to read the bio’s for us.
"
I can already do this by using the windows PE images. There is no way that ms will make the initial setup screens accessible if you're booting from the setup disk. I doubt this is even possible as you would have to load sound card drivers and a screen reader. That's probably twice as much as the initial installer.
I guess it might be possible if you had a text based setup though, since debian linux did it. However, even there, the graffical installer doesn't talk.
As for the bios, forget it. I don't think ms would even have direct control of this. You would have to go back to the pc manufacturers for that.

"
One you don’t force all updates on everyone! Leave the updates like they are in W7.
"
I agree with you on this. However from a venders perspective, it does make sense. Consider, someone buys a pc from a tech who has turned off windows updates. The average consumer will never notice the difference. 3 years later this person has a problem and contacts microsoft for help. The ms employee spends an hour or so on the phone troubleshooting and then figures out that updates haven't been installed for 3 years. This is very inefficient Because now on top of everything else the employee has to explain updates to the customer and why it matters that they are installed.

"

I am very disappointed that almost a year has went by and the flagship browser Edge is still not accessible to us. My fear as of now with that they end up getting rid of IE and Edged will still be inaccessible to us.
"

Here again, i am forced to agree with you. However, consider the size of the programing team at ms. I'm guessing there is an edge team and a narator team, among others.
The narator team has to get with the edge team, Who may or may not care about accessibility, and almost certainly have lots of other projects to work on. Also, There is a thread on this list which explains the edge situation.
Consider the worst. Maybe you have to migrate to firefox or chrome if they dump IE? I know people who won't touch IE with a 10 foot pole.

"
have the problem with them turning on all these features that invade your privacy. They should be turn off by default and you if you wish to can turn them on!
"

Again, i agree with you in principle. However, From the ms perspective, there are good reasons to have them turned on.
Consider cortana, and where it gets all it's data to interact with you. For a truely interactive experience, There is no other way since cortana needs to know things about you so it can respond correctly.
Another thing that many people don't realize is that apple and google do the same things with there hardware, we're just more used to it.
If you really want these features off, you can turn them off when setting up the computer.


As for device compatibility issues with windows 10, yes, there are some, although mostly with older hardware.
If you have up to date hardware, you will not have many issues.

My final thoughts.

Yes, windows 8.1 and 10 have there short comings, but if you know how to use them right, the experience is great.
People may think i'm different, but i will not voluntarily go back to win 7. My main computer runs windows 8.1, and i even prefer that over  7.
On the other hand, i don't really have plans to upgrade this machine to 10 before the free upgrade offer expires. My mac has win 10 on it and i like it but i don't think it's enough of a jump over 8.1 to make it worth it.


JMT.

On 7/5/2016 8:10 AM, Matt wrote:

Well don’t have a problem with improving Narrator at all it is just the things they are improving with it. I would like to see focus on using Narrator to do a complete clean install and also be able to read the bio’s for us. I don’t have a problem with W10 using it but I do think there is lots of improvement that can be done. One you don’t force all updates on everyone! Leave the updates like they are in W7. I am very disappointed that almost a year has went by and the flagship browser Edge is still not accessible to us. My fear as of now with that they end up getting rid of IE and Edged will still be inaccessible to us. I have the problem with them turning on all these features that invade your privacy. They should be turn off by default and you if you wish to can turn them on! I just don’t see this as improvement over W7 yes over W8 it is a big improvement. But the thing is if you want windows and support for it you will have to go to W10 in the next 4 years! So when that time comes if not before yes I will move to W10 ! I’m currently dual booted with W10 and W7.  I myself don’t have a lot of things hooked to my PC but some does and I have seen them have nightmare on this list with W10 and their stuff hooked to their computers. I have seen on this list brand new computers running W10 having problems with hardware built in to the computer. So W10 has a long way to go! It was released way before it was ready for mainstream! JMT!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 5:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Hi.

The atitude about this on this list is surprising to me.

Jean says.

"

If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option.  Why would people use something inferior? 

"

 

For the same reason they do now.

I know it's a tossup on which screen reader we think is best at this point but i think we can all agree that window eyes and system access aren't and haven't been the best options for a while now, Yet, they still exist.

Why is this?

 

Curious, What accessibility problems are in windows 10?

I don't have any trouble with it at this point. In fact, i really like it.

As for mail and edge, Both of them are improving, And until they become completely accessible, there are lots of other options out there for both functions. Keep in mind, IE is still on windows 10.

I don't have a lot of experience with office 2016 but there again, what i have done with it i haven't noticed any issues.

 

If ms wants to improve narator, i say Great job!

I can't see why we have to rip ms for adding new accessibility features. It just doesn't make sense. Look at it this way, At least they're trying.

 

 

 

On 7/4/2016 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:

If something becomes the best option, it will likely become the only option.  Why would people use something inferior?  And if it becomes the best and probably only option, then you will have much less chance of being able to deal with difficult situations where something can't be done or doesn't read with that one screen-reader.  At present, you may well find that a different screen-reader than the one you usually use may be able to be used in such situations to give enough access so you can do something. 

 

Microsoft has never said that Narrator is intended to be a full screen reader.  If Microsoft wants to try harder, then let them solve the accessibility problems in Windows 10.  And aren't there accessibility problems in Office 2016 as well?  I think I've seen messages about that now and then on the list.  The Microsoft e-mail app is still not properly accessible.  Edge is not properly accessible.  And we are supposed to be happy that this or that feature has been added to Narrator? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Norman

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:29 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Hi.

I didn't mean it would become the only option like voice over in mac.

I meant to say it would be the best option in windows, like voice over
in the mac.

I think we would all have to agree that tit would be great if narator
beat out both jaws and nvda based on performance.

However, i would still want nvda as a backup.


I know this sounds impossible, and yes we have a long way to go but it
seems to me that ms is trying a lot harder than they used to.


JMT.

On 7/4/2016 2:31 PM, Carlos wrote:
> Interestingly, what you are predicting in your last statement in my
> opinion is a cause for concern, not hope.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman" <lists@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
> screen reader? #poll
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Personally, i'm glad to see narator improvements. It's yet another
>> option.
>>
>> I don't use it on my pc, but if it ever gets good enough i may
>> seriously consider switching to windows phone from android.
>>
>> I would really like features like continuom and some of the things
>> along that line that ms is doing.
>>
>> In addition, This would make yet another accessible platform that i
>> can use.
>>
>> Who knows, maybe some day narator will become to windows what voice
>> over is on the mac and all the other screen readers get sidelined
>> because they aren't keeping up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2016 12:13 PM, Carlos wrote:
>>> Yes, but who exactly is requesting all of these Narrator
>>> improvements? Not just based on this poll, but based on experience I
>>> don't believe most blind consumers are using Narrator frequently
>>> enough for it to warrant this much attention.  Certainly not at the
>>> expense of effort which could be invested elsewhere.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Things are implemented based on upvotes and severity of bugs.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:00 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>> I'm sure Microsoft already receives more than enough feedback, but
>>> like most large corporations they prioritize based on some secret
>>> formula unknown to the rest of us which usually has little to do
>>> with what consumers are actually requesting.  In other words, they
>>> hear what they choose to hear and then do what they want to do.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be helpful to submit these findings to
>>> Microsoft? I know they would not want to hear it. That's life
>>> though, sometimes, we need to hear it whether or not we want to. I
>>> know from experience.
>>>
>>> Bye for now,
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:34 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>> So far it seems that the only time anyone uses Narrator is as a
>>> backup, for emergencies, to finish setting up Windows, or for
>>> testing purposes. Since none of these new features significantly
>>> impact any of these scenarios except for testing, who exactly is
>>> benefiting from these improvements? As I said, for now Microsoft
>>> would be better off investing more time and effort improving
>>> accessibility in other areas. Until or unless Microsoft decides to
>>> turn it into a full-blown screen reader, these improvements to
>>> Narrator which almost no one will use are a waste of effort.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@...>
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows
>>> Narrator screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>> I never use Narrator. It drives me crazy. I would rather find
>>> someone to help me or even take it to a business than deal with
>>> Narrator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TerriLynne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:37 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>>> screen reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I only use Narrator for emergencies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:39 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator
>>> screen
>>> reader? #poll
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new poll has been created:
>>>
>>> Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
>>> 2. I never use Narrator
>>> 3. I use Narrator regularly
>>>
>>> Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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>


 



Re: Scarlet Ribbons

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi Max,

the ribbons in Windows are a combination of the old menus and the toolbars. It's just a combination of the two. They had to call it something new and spiffy. Advertizing, advertizing.

While you're puzzling over ribbons, here's a song to listen to; I think I like Jone Biez's version better or maybe it's Judy Collins, but this will do, didn't know Bellefante could sing so sweetly. Happy listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5611V_V_2mE

Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
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Skype: Putertutor

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Not all those who wander are lost."

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