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Re: my bookshare concerns

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

I think I missed the first post in this thread. Pam's right in part.

I don't know anything about whether Learning Ally (note spelling) gives out grants, but Bookshare does.

You can check with your regional library, or if you are a student at an accredited educational institution, or if you volunteer to scan or proof books, you can have your membership paid for.

Ann P.


Original message:

About learning ali: after they instituted a fee, when they were still RFB&D,
they started giving away membership grants, or something. It seems, since
they changed the name, they got rid of that. About paying for bookshare:
see if your local library for the blind has a deal with bookshare for a free
membership. I know they have it in New York. Pam.
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Re: Scamming The Scammers

Pamela Dominguez
 

I can’t play it.  Pam.
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Scamming The Scammers
 
Hi All,
 
For those that Haven't heard this yet.  Have a listen to the following link.  It's a recorded & videoed conversation of 1 of these people that calls & claims to be from Microsoft, or whatever reputable company, & wants to get on your computer, to "Fix it".
Recorded by a very tecky gentleman with the Federal Trade Commission, who really knew how to record it all!
Pass it on to friends and family, a very important lesson to be learned here!
 
 
Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers!


Re: installing jaws

Pamela Dominguez
 

Optelec is the company that makes my braille display. Yes, my power company has gone from Lioco, standing for Long Island Lighting Company, to LIPA, standing for Long Island Power Authority, to PSEG, standing for I forget what. It used to be PSE&G, but when they took LIPA over, they said they took out the and sign. Then, there is the phone company, which changed from New York Telephone, to NYNEX, to Verizon. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] installing jaws

Freedom Scientific has merged with a company called Optelec. They say
something different when you call Customer Service, but they say it
pretty fast, and I didn't catch exactly what they said. They do say
Freedom Scientific, but other stuff along with it.

I've lived in my town for 14 years, and am on the third name for my power
company and the second for my phone company, so we are just in an
evolving world.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] installing jaws

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if maybe freedom scientific was still over jaws as I
thought that maybe it was under a new company or something.

It sounds like that I probably won't need to worry about a dongle, unless
I receive one in the package.
Oh, while I'm here, they used to have a disc with instructions, and I
think I remember actually getting a braille book of some kind with my
first package. Am I way off here, or what?
thanks,
Bill K.


Re: my bookshare concerns

Pamela Dominguez
 

Okay, where is your message?  Pam.
 

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my bookshare concerns
 



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, June 6, 2016, 8:22 AM, Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@...> wrote:

Hi Ashley,
You asked me if I've tried Learning Ally, and I was a member of rfb,
long before they changed their name, but now that they've changed their
name, I don't quite know just how to proceed from here, if anyone has
any ideas, I'd appreciate knowing.

Also to the other person who thought that I was complaining about
Bookshare, I wasn't exactly complaining, but if I don't like the way
the books come to me, and since I do have to pay money for the service,
I'd just as soon have a service that I enjoy much better is all.
Bill K.


All you have to do is apply for a username and password then download the books to the bookshelf. There will be a download tab in which she will use to download them to your bookshelf.


Re: my bookshare concerns

Pamela Dominguez
 

About learning ali: after they instituted a fee, when they were still RFB&D, they started giving away membership grants, or something. It seems, since they changed the name, they got rid of that. About paying for bookshare: see if your local library for the blind has a deal with bookshare for a free membership. I know they have it in New York. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 9:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my bookshare concerns

Hi Ashley,
You asked me if I've tried Learning Ally, and I was a member of rfb,
long before they changed their name, but now that they've changed their
name, I don't quite know just how to proceed from here, if anyone has
any ideas, I'd appreciate knowing.

Also to the other person who thought that I was complaining about
Bookshare, I wasn't exactly complaining, but if I don't like the way
the books come to me, and since I do have to pay money for the service,
I'd just as soon have a service that I enjoy much better is all.
Bill K.


Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene
 

I thought you meant that your sound card needs a cable to be connected.  But the small sound card I saw was not fragile.  I don't know what yours is like but I suspect you are assuming it is fragile when it well may not be.  And I wouldn't be surprised if there are even smaller ones.  As for speakers, if anyone else wants to discuss that, that's fine.  But my understanding is that you can get very small, surprisingly small speakers. 
 
I'm not trying to pressure you or convince you to do this.  I simply want you to have information.
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene,
 
We seem to have a bit of a communication problem this morning.
 
So, I will try to restate my personal observations.   If anyone disagrees, I do not have any difficulty with that.
 
I own a Sabrent sound card that is about the size of a box of matches except for the plug.  It can be plugged in to the USB connection of my laptop.  It does have a Mic/line in 1/8 inch and a earphone/speaker out, also 1/8 inch.  It has volume up and down buttons as well as a mute button.  I haven’t discovered the purpose of the fourth button yet.
 
I feel comfortable at home with the USB device plugged in to the machine because I live alone.  However, if I am out in public, even if I am sitting down at a desk, I don’t want a fragile USB device being bumped by me or anyone else.  In addition,I would normally not be interested in using headphones in public since I like or even need to be involved in conversation with others.  So, in addition to the sound card, I would also need to keep up with a speaker and a speaker cable.  This is really not what most user’s consider to be portibility.  I should add.  At least not for me.
 
Regards,
 
James
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
It only needs to be connected to the machine when you are using it.  And the small sound card I saw had no cable and didn't need one.  It had a USB plug build into the sound card and an output jack also built into the sound card.  The sound card pluggs directly into the computer with no other means of connecting necessary.  I'm not saying that you should use this option.  I am saying that being informed of options is important and that assumptions should not be made concerning what is available.  Asking is fine but assuming limits choices without a chance to learn about options.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
I disagree.  I don’t want a USB device hanging off my expensive laptop like a sore thumb.  Using a USB extension cable would just be an unnecessary hassle.  I want to use speakers, not headphones so I can use the laptop while being able to carry on a conversation with others.
 
I have an awesome ten dollar Sabrent external sound card that is about the size of a box of matches not counting the plug.  Its great for home use.  A terrible idea for portability.
 
James
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Then why not turn them off?  I would think that a sighted person can turn them off.  From the little I've seen about this on blind discussion lists, I get the impression that such manufacturer utilities are notorious for being inaccessible.  But I expect that their automatic functions can be turned off and, according to a forum I looked at now concerning the Dell update utility, it's automatic function can be turned off.  This was about a year old discussion but that is the statement that was made.  and again, as far as I can tell, we don't know if the Dell update is what is causing the problem but thorough trouble shooting would mean ruling out the possibility. 
 
Also, the laptop can be used portably with a USB sound card.  There are very small USB sound cards that can be plugged into a U
SB port and headphones or a very small portable set of speakers can be plugged in.  I'm not exaggerating the smallness of some sound cards.  They are so small you can put them in a pants pocket and hardly know they are there. 
 
If you want to keep this specific computer for some reason, it is important to know that giving up portable use is not necessary even with an external sound card. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
They are not 100% required but they may modify the OS and or hardware on laptops, so messing with them is not advisable unless one is aware of possible repercussions. Manufacturers don't install them for kicks.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg, cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4 year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



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Re: important news for those of you who don't want forced driver updates

Carlos
 

That's good. Hopefully it actually works unlike the setting in
"Device Installation Settings"

----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:22 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] important news for those of you who don't want forced
driver updates


hi,

With the aniversery update, under group policy/administrative templets
windows update settings, microsoft has added an option to exclude driver
updates from the updates offered on windows update. I noticed this after
updating.



important news for those of you who don't want forced driver updates

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

With the aniversery update, under group policy/administrative templets windows update settings, microsoft has added an option to exclude driver updates from the updates offered on windows update. I noticed this after updating.


Re: questions for NVDA and outlook users

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

No, you want insert-down-arrow. I suppose you might try 2 on the numpad, but the down-arrow works just fine.

Ann P.
,
Original message:

OK, here's why that's no good.
So, I press enter on the message, hear the headers, then NVDA stops. NVDA-b, will just start from the headers all over again, which, to say the least, isn't the most efficient ever, which is why I asked in the first place. Never the less, though, thanks for the idea.


Sent from a Braille Sense
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] questions for NVDA and outlook users


I'm not sure about the headers since I don't use Outlook, but as for the
second question, the
"Say all"
command is what you are looking for. NVDA+DownArrow or NVDA+A with the
laptop keyboard layout.
----- Original Message -----
From: "TerriLynne Pomeroy" <tl1@ml1.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] questions for NVDA and outlook users

Hi Rajmund,
Sounds like you need an experienced user of NVDA to answer your below
questions.
From Rajmund:
When I open a message, speech reads all headers, then the first paragraph.
a. Is there a way to disable the headers from being read?
b. Is there a way to not having to use the arrows to read the rest of the
message, after speech stops reading?
Think this is all for now. Depending on my possibilities, I might try
other
things, as there is an issue I'm really unhappy with, in WLM, and it is
NVDA related, tried all methods, to no avail.
Oh, windows 10, outlook 2010, NVDA.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 2:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] questions for outlook users
Hi All,
OK, thanks for these answers, particularly numbers 1 and 2. However, the
one
that was meant to be 4 instead of 6, and 3, could someone please confirm?
Not so much 4, but 3, about the headers, and arrows. As I don't have other
screen readers, it may well be the way NVDA handles these things, but
would
still like to know.


Sent from a Braille Sense
----- Original Message -----
From: TerriLynne Pomeroy <tl1@ml1.net>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] questions for outlook users


1. To delete, permanently, hold down the shift key while hitting the
delete key.
2. I don't know if Outlook can have different set-ups, but in mine, if
I am in the in-box, I just shift tab once. This puts me into an
alphabetical list of folders. I can then hit the beginning letter for
the desired folder which gets me down to close to where I want to be.
3. I don't have my email downloaded to multiple devices, but I can
tell you that the use of POP and iMap gives different results. I
believe that one downloads to the device taking it permanently off the
website, while the other stays on the web site even when downloaded to
the
device.
6. I can't remember how to change it, but you can change the reading
of all headers.
TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 12:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] questions for outlook users
Hi ALL, so, after playing a little with outlook, and my version of
windows live male, I'm thinking, if I can iron out a few things, I
might stick with it. I have a list of questions, could a fairly
advanced outlook user clarify them for me, please?
1) After deleting some messages, and they are moved into deleted
items, outlook will take longer to delete, or so I found. Is there a
way to delete the messages permanently, or something to speed this
process
up?
2) Related, how do you switch folders easily, without tabbing all over
the place?
3) And perhaps the most important, any ways to delete the message
after it has been received? WLM, iPhone, braille sense, when they
receive the message, whether IMAP or POP, they delete them. Outlook,
when I finished reading, the braille sense redownloaded them. And yes,
while it is GMAIL, I got it set to delete mail's copy after receiving,
so, in theory, but it didn't happen, those messages should have been
moved
to GMAIL's web trash.
Outlook is on POP. If this is not possible, would IMAP do it for me?
6) When I open a message, speech reads all headers, then the first
paragraph. a) Is there a way to disable the headers from being read?
b) Is there a way to not having to use the arrows to read the rest of
the message, after speech stops reading?
Think this is all for now. Depending on my possibilities, I might try
other
things, as there is an issue I'm really unhappy with, in WLM, and it is
NVDA related, tried all methods, to no avail.
Oh, windows 10, outlook 2010, NVDA.
Thanks on this one, everyone.
Sent from a Braille Sense


















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Re: questions for outlook users

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm going to answer your questions within the message, so you'll need to read this whol thing.


Original message:
Hi ALL, so, after playing a little with outlook, and my version of windows live male, I'm thinking, if I can iron out a few things, I might stick with it. I have a list of questions, could a fairly advanced outlook user clarify them for me, please?
1) After deleting some messages, and they are moved into deleted items, outlook will take longer to delete, or so I found. Is there a way to delete the messages permanently, or something to speed this process up?
Dunnow about this one, are you using ctrl-d to delete?


2) Related, how do you switch folders easily, without tabbing all over the place?
When in the folder summary of the Inbox, use ctrl-y and arrow down to the folder you want to enter.



3) And perhaps the most important, any ways to delete the message after it has been received? WLM, iPhone, braille sense, when they receive the message, whether IMAP or POP, they delete them. Outlook, when I finished reading, the braille sense redownloaded them. And yes, while it is GMAIL, I got it set to delete mail's copy after receiving, so, in theory, but it didn't happen, those messages should have been moved to GMAIL's web trash. Outlook is on POP. If this is not possible, would IMAP do it for me?
You need to go into the mail configuration and check the box that says do not keep mail on the server.



6) When I open a message, speech reads all headers, then the first paragraph. a) Is there a way to disable the headers from being read? b) Is there a way to not having to use the arrows to read the rest of the message, after speech stops reading?
That depends on what screen reader you're using, but essentially you want to use your read-to-end command.



HTH,
Ann P.

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Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

James Bentley
 

Gene,
 
We seem to have a bit of a communication problem this morning.
 
So, I will try to restate my personal observations.   If anyone disagrees, I do not have any difficulty with that.
 
I own a Sabrent sound card that is about the size of a box of matches except for the plug.  It can be plugged in to the USB connection of my laptop.  It does have a Mic/line in 1/8 inch and a earphone/speaker out, also 1/8 inch.  It has volume up and down buttons as well as a mute button.  I haven’t discovered the purpose of the fourth button yet.
 
I feel comfortable at home with the USB device plugged in to the machine because I live alone.  However, if I am out in public, even if I am sitting down at a desk, I don’t want a fragile USB device being bumped by me or anyone else.  In addition,I would normally not be interested in using headphones in public since I like or even need to be involved in conversation with others.  So, in addition to the sound card, I would also need to keep up with a speaker and a speaker cable.  This is really not what most user’s consider to be portibility.  I should add.  At least not for me.
 
Regards,
 
James
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
It only needs to be connected to the machine when you are using it.  And the small sound card I saw had no cable and didn't need one.  It had a USB plug build into the sound card and an output jack also built into the sound card.  The sound card pluggs directly into the computer with no other means of connecting necessary.  I'm not saying that you should use this option.  I am saying that being informed of options is important and that assumptions should not be made concerning what is available.  Asking is fine but assuming limits choices without a chance to learn about options.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
I disagree.  I don’t want a USB device hanging off my expensive laptop like a sore thumb.  Using a USB extension cable would just be an unnecessary hassle.  I want to use speakers, not headphones so I can use the laptop while being able to carry on a conversation with others.
 
I have an awesome ten dollar Sabrent external sound card that is about the size of a box of matches not counting the plug.  Its great for home use.  A terrible idea for portability.
 
James
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Then why not turn them off?  I would think that a sighted person can turn them off.  From the little I've seen about this on blind discussion lists, I get the impression that such manufacturer utilities are notorious for being inaccessible.  But I expect that their automatic functions can be turned off and, according to a forum I looked at now concerning the Dell update utility, it's automatic function can be turned off.  This was about a year old discussion but that is the statement that was made.  and again, as far as I can tell, we don't know if the Dell update is what is causing the problem but thorough trouble shooting would mean ruling out the possibility. 
 
Also, the laptop can be used portably with a USB sound card.  There are very small USB sound cards that can be plugged into a U
SB port and headphones or a very small portable set of speakers can be plugged in.  I'm not exaggerating the smallness of some sound cards.  They are so small you can put them in a pants pocket and hardly know they are there. 
 
If you want to keep this specific computer for some reason, it is important to know that giving up portable use is not necessary even with an external sound card. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
They are not 100% required but they may modify the OS and or hardware on laptops, so messing with them is not advisable unless one is aware of possible repercussions. Manufacturers don't install them for kicks.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg, cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4 year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.


























Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene
 

It is being distributed as a Windows update.  I listened to about half of a presentation given Monday by Joseph Lee, who works on various aspects of NVDA and is very knowledgeable.  If this update made changes such as removing things, I expect this would have been stated at the outset of the discussion.  No such statement was made nor were users warned of any such possibility.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

In fact, I suspect that for those who are already running Windows 10, the
anniversary edition will most likely be installed as a typical update
leaving all currently installed software intact and won't even give you the
option of removing anything unless you are installing it as an upgrade.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


But that article is referring to using the Windows 10 Reset feature, not
installing the anniversary edition via Windows updates so I don't see how it
relates to this discussion.  No matter how major the update, I can't imagine
that users won't have the option of leaving currently installed software
intact.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


Ran a quick Google search and found the following...

"...You’ll be able to delete this manufacturer-provided package of software
and changes from a Windows 10 PC and then run a refresh or reset. This will
restore your computer to a fresh state with only Microsoft’s own Windows
software installed and no manufacturer-provided junkware installed."

Bloatware Banished: Windows 10 Eliminates the Need to Ever Reinstall Windows
on New PCs -
https://is.gd/Xxrtu2

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Ordinary or not, I simply don't believe that it removes manufacturer
utilities.  I question even the legality of Microsoft designing an update in
that way or in doing so without giving users clear notice before the Windows
update runs that existing programs will be removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

the Windows 10 annaversary upgrade is mno ordinary Windows update.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

This needs clarification because it may confuse or cause anxiety among
others on list.  I would think that installing the update, as Microsoft
intends, as a Windows update, would not remove anything.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi James,

The information you posted below is very accurate. :) Actually, I tried to
resolve the sound issues by deleting Realtek entries from within programs
and Features, and if you recall, this little Dell laptop is a bit of a
pit-bull as it once again automatically installed the Realtek utility at
next boot up. I also tried to turn off various options within device
manager, Task manager, MSConfig, etc, etc to no effect.

As we discussed before you called FS, I also agree with FS that JAWS is not
likely the cause in this instance, but it's always a smart idea to get a
second opinion from the actual developer. :)

As far as devoting my time to helping others, as I conveyed yesterday, I
would rather take as much time as necessary to properly configure a new
computer rather than leaving someone hanging. For me, the nagging computer
oddity will not leave me alone for the remainder of the day if not the next
few days, so making sure all is properly working is very important. In the
end, yes, properly configuring a brand new computer takes time, but at least
one is left with 0 problems and can use their new computer for productivity
rather than spending days sorting out issues. There is nothing worse than
one's excitement at a new computer turning into a nightmare of endless
frustrations.

Thank you James for the courage, patience, and trust in my abilities as I
tried to resolve this issue. Unfortunately, this sound issue has left me a
bit puzzled, and I would try more aggressive troubleshooting, but this is
not my computer, so I'm not going to take risks with someone else's machine.
:)

You seem very happy with this laptop, but if you're considering the upgrade
to Windows 10 anniversary release, this may solve this issue as your laptop
will have a pristine version of Windows 10 without the Dell soundcard
bloatware. Then again, Dell's built-in performance utilities will also not
be available to you, so who knows what the Windows 10 upgrade will do to the
overall performance of the laptop, so I'm suggesting this upgrade option as
a last resort before returning the laptop to Dell. :)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my
computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought
that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out
messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning
and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus
installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems
with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to
discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that
he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our
system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn
off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by
Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system
config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think
it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off
all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to
their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting
files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back
to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg,
cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are
making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare
problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off
all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their
original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to
turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech
support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be
trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that
all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most
especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to
help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post
that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped
up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best
accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me
with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install
without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I
wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to
complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X
is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of
Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this
respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4
year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the
latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and
it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of
WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.






























Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene
 

It only needs to be connected to the machine when you are using it.  And the small sound card I saw had no cable and didn't need one.  It had a USB plug build into the sound card and an output jack also built into the sound card.  The sound card pluggs directly into the computer with no other means of connecting necessary.  I'm not saying that you should use this option.  I am saying that being informed of options is important and that assumptions should not be made concerning what is available.  Asking is fine but assuming limits choices without a chance to learn about options.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I disagree.  I don’t want a USB device hanging off my expensive laptop like a sore thumb.  Using a USB extension cable would just be an unnecessary hassle.  I want to use speakers, not headphones so I can use the laptop while being able to carry on a conversation with others.
 
I have an awesome ten dollar Sabrent external sound card that is about the size of a box of matches not counting the plug.  Its great for home use.  A terrible idea for portability.
 
James
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Then why not turn them off?  I would think that a sighted person can turn them off.  From the little I've seen about this on blind discussion lists, I get the impression that such manufacturer utilities are notorious for being inaccessible.  But I expect that their automatic functions can be turned off and, according to a forum I looked at now concerning the Dell update utility, it's automatic function can be turned off.  This was about a year old discussion but that is the statement that was made.  and again, as far as I can tell, we don't know if the Dell update is what is causing the problem but thorough trouble shooting would mean ruling out the possibility. 
 
Also, the laptop can be used portably with a USB sound card.  There are very small USB sound cards that can be plugged into a U
SB port and headphones or a very small portable set of speakers can be plugged in.  I'm not exaggerating the smallness of some sound cards.  They are so small you can put them in a pants pocket and hardly know they are there. 
 
If you want to keep this specific computer for some reason, it is important to know that giving up portable use is not necessary even with an external sound card. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
They are not 100% required but they may modify the OS and or hardware on laptops, so messing with them is not advisable unless one is aware of possible repercussions. Manufacturers don't install them for kicks.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg, cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4 year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.


























Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Thanks for the fun all, I gotta move on.

JR


Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

James Bentley
 

You are unfortunately correct about techs not having much knowledge about Accessibility.
 
As far as what Jeremy and I discussed before and during our tandem session, he couldn’t have been any more clear concerning his abilities and the risk level that we each as individuals were willing to assume.
 
James
 
Jeremy providing me with training, tech support,
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
I haven't worked much with sighted techs.  But it is common for sighted people to know nothing about blind people using computers.  I expect that techs are largely completely uninformed about this as well. 
 
I should add one more comment to my previous discussion of the owner's wishes being honored.  I believe you addressed your wishes in this message.  But I should add, as part of a general discussion of my views, that the person working on the machine, as a part of informed consent, should tell the owner if he is not a specialist or expert in the area being considered and if other options might exist that the owner may want to investigate before making a decision.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Now, wouldn’t that be a bummer.  Use our software that prevents you as a blind individual from using our product as intended or, we will void your warrantee.  I’m not suggesting that you are correct or not, just making an observation.
 
Jeremy and I both agreed right up front to not take any risky chances that could lead to causing me to have to take the machine to someone for expensive repair service.  And, sending it back to Dell is an undesirable option because they obviously do not know any thing about Jaws.
 
I was the very first blind person that the last Dell tech guy had ever worked with.  He was amazed that a blind person could actually open up IE, locate fields on the page and enter the correct information in the right fields.  At first, he absolutely insisted that I find a sighted person to work with him. <groan>
I bet that you have heard similar stories before.
 
James
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
But if the owner of the machine is informed about the possible risks of doing something and the odds of something unwanted occuring and gives informed consent, then shouldn't the person working on the machine be willing to try what is being discussed?  In this case, in addition, are any such changes possibly voiding the warranty or endangering the ability to return or exchange the machine?  I'm not sure but that may be something the owner should consider.  But in the last analysis, it's the owner's machine and if the owner is informed and understands the possible implications of what is being done, I believe the owner's wishes should be honored.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and
removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly
understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified
in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the
primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no
longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort
clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do
not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have
anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to
automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a
security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer
is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect
that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for
years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly
labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible
reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility
would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may
have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft
accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my
computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought
that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out
messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning
and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus
installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems
with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to
discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that
he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our
system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn
off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by
Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system
config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think
it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off
all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to
their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting
files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back
to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg,
cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are
making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare
problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off
all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their
original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to
turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech
support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be
trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that
all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most
especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to
help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post
that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped
up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best
accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me
with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install
without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I
wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to
complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X
is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of
Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this
respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4
year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the
latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and
it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of
WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.























Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Carlos
 

In fact, I suspect that for those who are already running Windows 10, the
anniversary edition will most likely be installed as a typical update
leaving all currently installed software intact and won't even give you the
option of removing anything unless you are installing it as an upgrade.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


But that article is referring to using the Windows 10 Reset feature, not
installing the anniversary edition via Windows updates so I don't see how it
relates to this discussion. No matter how major the update, I can't imagine
that users won't have the option of leaving currently installed software
intact.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


Ran a quick Google search and found the following...

"...You’ll be able to delete this manufacturer-provided package of software
and changes from a Windows 10 PC and then run a refresh or reset. This will
restore your computer to a fresh state with only Microsoft’s own Windows
software installed and no manufacturer-provided junkware installed."

Bloatware Banished: Windows 10 Eliminates the Need to Ever Reinstall Windows
on New PCs -
https://is.gd/Xxrtu2

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Ordinary or not, I simply don't believe that it removes manufacturer
utilities. I question even the legality of Microsoft designing an update in
that way or in doing so without giving users clear notice before the Windows
update runs that existing programs will be removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

the Windows 10 annaversary upgrade is mno ordinary Windows update.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

This needs clarification because it may confuse or cause anxiety among
others on list. I would think that installing the update, as Microsoft
intends, as a Windows update, would not remove anything.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi James,

The information you posted below is very accurate. :) Actually, I tried to
resolve the sound issues by deleting Realtek entries from within programs
and Features, and if you recall, this little Dell laptop is a bit of a
pit-bull as it once again automatically installed the Realtek utility at
next boot up. I also tried to turn off various options within device
manager, Task manager, MSConfig, etc, etc to no effect.

As we discussed before you called FS, I also agree with FS that JAWS is not
likely the cause in this instance, but it's always a smart idea to get a
second opinion from the actual developer. :)

As far as devoting my time to helping others, as I conveyed yesterday, I
would rather take as much time as necessary to properly configure a new
computer rather than leaving someone hanging. For me, the nagging computer
oddity will not leave me alone for the remainder of the day if not the next
few days, so making sure all is properly working is very important. In the
end, yes, properly configuring a brand new computer takes time, but at least
one is left with 0 problems and can use their new computer for productivity
rather than spending days sorting out issues. There is nothing worse than
one's excitement at a new computer turning into a nightmare of endless
frustrations.

Thank you James for the courage, patience, and trust in my abilities as I
tried to resolve this issue. Unfortunately, this sound issue has left me a
bit puzzled, and I would try more aggressive troubleshooting, but this is
not my computer, so I'm not going to take risks with someone else's machine.
:)

You seem very happy with this laptop, but if you're considering the upgrade
to Windows 10 anniversary release, this may solve this issue as your laptop
will have a pristine version of Windows 10 without the Dell soundcard
bloatware. Then again, Dell's built-in performance utilities will also not
be available to you, so who knows what the Windows 10 upgrade will do to the
overall performance of the laptop, so I'm suggesting this upgrade option as
a last resort before returning the laptop to Dell. :)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my
computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp. I thought
that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out
messing something up. But, I am learning. Jeremy just ignored the warning
and installed WinAmp with no problems. I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes. He spent another five hours plus
installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems
with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning. His determination to
discover and resolve problems is really amazing. I am still surprised that
he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our
system and make changes as they desire. For a Jaws user, we need to turn
off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by
Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system
config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think
it was called system config.

Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off
all of the sound enhancement features and the changes reverted back to
their original settings in minutes. I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting
files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back
to their original state. But I will get back with Dell again today and beg,
cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are
making changes to my system. It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare
problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off
all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their
original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today. I will try again to get Dell to
turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called. Their tech
support personnel do not speak English very well. They seem to only be
trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck. And, Its very important to me to make certain that
all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most
especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to
help. And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post
that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped
up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best
accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp. He assisted me
with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install
without the Direct X. But, now that doesn’t matter any more. Perhaps I
wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to
complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter? It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X
is mainly used for games. I don't see why Winamp cares what version of
Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this
respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit. I found the 3 to 4
year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the
latest version of Direct X. I went to the link given by the installer and
it just went to the MS home page.

So, I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1. Locate the correct Direct x download. Or:

2. Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of
WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.


Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

I work primarily with sighted techs. They marvel at what can be done by the use of a keyboard, and when I bump into them again, its really cool to discover they are using the keyboard to accomplish tasks for which they previously used their mouse.

Regarding your thoughts on informed consent, I did exactly as you describe making sure to describe all possibilities before taking action. I left the final decision to James as well as all others I've work with. It was refreshing to work with James as he's a very technologically curious and adventurous guy.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I haven't worked much with sighted techs. But it is common for sighted people to know nothing about blind people using computers. I expect that techs are largely completely uninformed about this as well.

I should add one more comment to my previous discussion of the owner's wishes being honored. I believe you addressed your wishes in this message. But I should add, as part of a general discussion of my views, that the person working on the machine, as a part of informed consent, should tell the owner if he is not a specialist or expert in the area being considered and if other options might exist that the owner may want to investigate before making a decision.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Now, wouldn’t that be a bummer. Use our software that prevents you as a blind individual from using our product as intended or, we will void your warrantee. I’m not suggesting that you are correct or not, just making an observation.

Jeremy and I both agreed right up front to not take any risky chances that could lead to causing me to have to take the machine to someone for expensive repair service. And, sending it back to Dell is an undesirable option because they obviously do not know any thing about Jaws.

I was the very first blind person that the last Dell tech guy had ever worked with. He was amazed that a blind person could actually open up IE, locate fields on the page and enter the correct information in the right fields. At first, he absolutely insisted that I find a sighted person to work with him. <groan> I bet that you have heard similar stories before.

James

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

But if the owner of the machine is informed about the possible risks of doing something and the odds of something unwanted occuring and gives informed consent, then shouldn't the person working on the machine be willing to try what is being discussed? In this case, in addition, are any such changes possibly voiding the warranty or endangering the ability to return or exchange the machine? I'm not sure but that may be something the owner should consider. But in the last analysis, it's the owner's machine and if the owner is informed and understands the possible implications of what is being done, I believe the owner's wishes should be honored.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say. I don't know if Dell update utilities have anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to automatically update anything. This is not a Windows update, such as a security update. It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer is working well. I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this. I would think Microsoft Accessibility would do so. The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp. I thought that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out messing something up. But, I am learning. Jeremy just ignored the warning and installed WinAmp with no problems. I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes. He spent another five hours plus installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning. His determination to discover and resolve problems is really amazing. I am still surprised that he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our system and make changes as they desire. For a Jaws user, we need to turn off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think it was called system config.

Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off all of the sound enhancement features and the changes reverted back to their original settings in minutes. I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back to their original state. But I will get back with Dell again today and beg, cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are making changes to my system. It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today. I will try again to get Dell to turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called. Their tech support personnel do not speak English very well. They seem to only be trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck. And, Its very important to me to make certain that all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to help. And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp. He assisted me with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install without the Direct X. But, now that doesn’t matter any more. Perhaps I wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter? It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X is mainly used for games. I don't see why Winamp cares what version of Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit. I found the 3 to 4 year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the latest version of Direct X. I went to the link given by the installer and it just went to the MS home page.

So, I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1. Locate the correct Direct x download. Or:

2. Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.


Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene
 

I am not doing what you state.  I am making a simple suggestion and the rest is discussion that may or may not apply and I have tried to indicate that.  My simple suggestion is to turn off the Dell automatic update function and see if that eliminates the problem.  Just working on a machine doesn't mean that you de facto, have considered all approaches or that you are, de facto  not overlooking something. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Regarding this specific issue, Gene, you're spending a great deal of time arguing what you do not know. I've actually worked on James' computer, you have not. You're suggesting he execute various actions when you have no idea as to the exact utility nor it's function not to mention possible negative repercussions. Let's just move on, ok? He's already stated he will talk to Dell about this.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Then why not turn them off?  I would think that a sighted person can turn them off.  From the little I've seen about this on blind discussion lists, I get the impression that such manufacturer utilities are notorious for being inaccessible.  But I expect that their automatic functions can be turned off and, according to a forum I looked at now concerning the Dell update utility, it's automatic function can be turned off.  This was about a year old discussion but that is the statement that was made.  and again, as far as I can tell, we don't know if the Dell update is what is causing the problem but thorough trouble shooting would mean ruling out the possibility.
 
Also, the laptop can be used portably with a USB sound card.  There are very small USB sound cards that can be plugged into a U SB port and headphones or a very small portable set of speakers can be plugged in.  I'm not exaggerating the smallness of some sound cards.  They are so small you can put them in a pants pocket and hardly know they are there.
 
If you want to keep this specific computer for some reason, it is important to know that giving up portable use is not necessary even with an external sound card.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

They are not 100% required but they may modify the OS and or hardware on laptops, so messing with them is not advisable unless one is aware of possible repercussions. Manufacturers don't install them for kicks.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg, cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4 year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.
































Re: Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Gene
 

I haven't worked much with sighted techs.  But it is common for sighted people to know nothing about blind people using computers.  I expect that techs are largely completely uninformed about this as well. 
 
I should add one more comment to my previous discussion of the owner's wishes being honored.  I believe you addressed your wishes in this message.  But I should add, as part of a general discussion of my views, that the person working on the machine, as a part of informed consent, should tell the owner if he is not a specialist or expert in the area being considered and if other options might exist that the owner may want to investigate before making a decision.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Now, wouldn’t that be a bummer.  Use our software that prevents you as a blind individual from using our product as intended or, we will void your warrantee.  I’m not suggesting that you are correct or not, just making an observation.
 
Jeremy and I both agreed right up front to not take any risky chances that could lead to causing me to have to take the machine to someone for expensive repair service.  And, sending it back to Dell is an undesirable option because they obviously do not know any thing about Jaws.
 
I was the very first blind person that the last Dell tech guy had ever worked with.  He was amazed that a blind person could actually open up IE, locate fields on the page and enter the correct information in the right fields.  At first, he absolutely insisted that I find a sighted person to work with him. <groan>
I bet that you have heard similar stories before.
 
James
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
But if the owner of the machine is informed about the possible risks of doing something and the odds of something unwanted occuring and gives informed consent, then shouldn't the person working on the machine be willing to try what is being discussed?  In this case, in addition, are any such changes possibly voiding the warranty or endangering the ability to return or exchange the machine?  I'm not sure but that may be something the owner should consider.  But in the last analysis, it's the owner's machine and if the owner is informed and understands the possible implications of what is being done, I believe the owner's wishes should be honored.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10
 
Generally manufacturer provided update utilities are not required and
removing or disabling them should cause no problems, but I can certainly
understand not wanting to take the risk with someone else's machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10


You don't seem to understand. Its because the laptop has not been modified
in any way that is causing the audio problems. I'm trying to isolate the
primary factor causing the problem with audio output then modifying it to no
longer cause any problems. James has spent a great deal of time and effort
clearly explaining this fact.

Your computer and your interactions with it are only yours and may not or do
not at all reflect any anyone else's.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

We'll see what others say.  I don't know if Dell update utilities have
anything to do with the problem but I don't want a manufacturer to
automatically update anything.  This is not a Windows update, such as a
security update.  It's a manufacturer updating something wwhen the computer
is working well.  I strongly believe in leaving things alone and I suspect
that is one reason I have almost flawless performance from my computers for
years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

this is not a good solution since the many Dell utilities are not clearly
labeled, and one won't know exactly which update utility has been disabled.
In other words, I wouldn't disable something without being ware of possible
reprocussions.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

I would think that Dell automatic up[dates can be turned completely off.
Dell may not be willing to do this.  I would think Microsoft Accessibility
would do so.  The program may not be accessible to blind people so you may
have to rely on either sighted help or someplace like the Microsoft
accessibility service.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hi Jeremy and everyone,

OK, I admit that I didn't try to go past the dialogue warning me that my
computer lacked the necessary Direct X files to install WinAmp.  I thought
that if it said you can't do something, then, you can't do it with out
messing something up.  But, I am learning.  Jeremy just ignored the warning
and installed WinAmp with no problems.  I will never forget that one.

As far as help from Jeremy goes.  He spent another five hours plus
installing software, providing training, and trying to fix sound problems
with a new Dell laptop again yesterday morning.  His determination to
discover and resolve problems is really amazing.  I am still surprised that
he was willing to give up so much of his personal time.

Dell apparently has some kind of their own forced updates that monitor our
system and make changes as they desire.  For a Jaws user, we need to turn
off all of the enhancement features in something called Pro Max Audio by
Waves or the sound quality becomes horrible soon after installing Jaws.
Jeremy turned off these services by deleting their processes in system
config but they always turned back on. I should say that at least, I think
it was called system config.

  Dell tech support has remoted in to my system 3 times now and turned off
all of the sound enhancement  features and the changes reverted back to
their original settings in minutes.  I don't know if it is Jaws corrupting
files or if Dell automatic updates is changing the enhancement settings back
to their original state.  But I will get back with Dell again today and beg,
cry, and plead to get them to just delete the programs or processes that are
making changes to my system.  It sounds so fine when it is working right.

I've talked with VFO tech support and they claimed to be aware of rare
problems and they are certain that Jaws is not at fault.

MS Accessibility tech support also remoted in to the laptop and turned off
all of the Max Audio sound enhancements but they reverted back to their
original state in less than an hour.

So, I guess I go back to Dell again today.  I will try again to get Dell to
turn off the auto updates, if that is even what it is called.  Their tech
support personnel do not speak English very well.  They seem to only be
trained to do very basic things like installing printers, scanners, etc.
Jaws users get left with what sometimes seems like no possible resolution.
I guess that's because we are just a tiny fraction of the population.

Everyone wish me luck.  And, Its very important to me to make certain that
all list members who offered assistance to me, especially Jeremy, Most
especially Jeremy, are aware of my gratitude for their time and efforts to
help.  And, Jeremy, or anyone, feel free to clarify any thing in this post
that may not be 100% accurate.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

During the installation on James' new computer, the directX message popped
up, but I simply press enter on Ok and I continued to setup Winamp for best
accessibility. Winamp 5.666 is now working flawlessly on Windows 10!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello Gene,

A list member had a link to a more recent version of Winamp.  He assisted me
with the instalation.

I thought that it mattered because I wasn’t able to get through the install
without the Direct X.  But, now that doesn’t matter any more.  Perhaps I
wasn’t as precise as I should have been, concerning not being able to
complete the install.

James



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Does it even matter?  It appears, from the little I've read, that Direct X
is mainly used for games.  I don't see why Winamp cares what version of
Direct X is used, but why should playing an audio file matter at all in this
respect?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help with locating and installing WinAmp 5.65 on W10

Hello everyone,

I just tried to install WinAmp 5.65 Pro on W10 64 bit.  I found the 3 to 4
year old, application that I was trying to install on one of my computers.

During The install, the dialogue requested that I go to MS to download the
latest version of Direct X.  I went to the link given by the installer and
it just went to the MS home page.

So,  I am hoping for assistance with one of two things.

1.  Locate the correct Direct x download.  Or:

2.  Does anyone have a link where I can find the most recent version of
WinAmp that won’t ask me to download things that I don’t know how to find?
Preferably, Version 5.65.

Many thanks,

James



**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.






















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