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Re: LG Revere 3

Carlos
 

You talk about twisting people's words? I don't believe Gene even implied that using a touch screen was nearly impossible. That was simply your argumentative nature making assumptions. And I don't know where you've been, but we hear about such people on this list quite frequently since we have several active members who are successful and advanced smart phone/touch screen users.

Really these confrontational, argumentative, and critical replies from you are becoming quite tedious. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but once again you have put me in a position where I must with all due respect ask you to stop. I don't want to have to ask you again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3


Ok, I can understand this post of yours, but your previous post conveyed to
those reading your message that a touch screen phone was nearly impossible
to use. For those who care to explore other lists, there's a giant world out
there with many blind people doing amazing things with their phones and
computers. Just because you don't hear about these people on this list
doesn't mean they don't exist. Have you even ever held and used a touch
screen phone? I don't think so. And oh yeah, guess what, people also
struggle with dumb phones.

I will state right here and now that I absolutely 100% love a touch screen
phone over a dumb phone any time and any day of the year. The accessibility
and utility provided by a touch screen phone is unmatched by a dumb phone. I
use the grade 2 braille keyboard entry on my iPhone, and I can type text
faster than a sighted person using a dumb phone's keyboard or a sighted
person using a smart phone's on screen keyboard--this is not an
exaggeration.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I didn't say I struggled. I don't want to use a smart phone and so I didn't
struggle. Nor am I assuming I would or wouldn't struggle if I learned to use
a touch screen phone. Many people do struggle and many don't but I haven't
heard people say they love using touch screens or that they prefer them to
keyboards. I don't use a smart phone because I simply am not interested in
what I can do with one. I am perfectly satisfied to use a dial pad phone
and many other people are as well. But many blind people don't even know
that option exists. All they hear about are smart phones with speech, not
about other options.

The message I responded to said that the writer thought it would take a long
time to write a text using a dial pad phone. My point is that if it takes
me one or two minutes to write a text, I would much rather take extra time
to write a text than to spend hours learning how to use a touch screen
phone, whether from tutorials, or other ways. It is important that blind
people know that alternatives exist for using a phone largely for calls and
texts to smart phones. and, as I said, if texting takes longer, people who
want to use dial pad phones should consider how much time they would spend
learning a smart screen phone, whether they struggle with a touch screen or
not.

but I said nothing about how many people struggle or don't with touch
screens. I don't have any figures on that.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

When using a smart phone with a touch screen, not everyone will struggle as
Gene has struggled in his message below. The VIPhone list is a user list
made up of about 2500 iPhone users. This is a very large list, and I can't
recall anyone ever complaining that a touch screen is overly difficult or
impossible to use. Yes, there is a learning curve, but it also exists for
the new Windows computer user or new Apple computer user.

There are some who will not have the need for a smart phone, but for those
who do, just take a look at the apple vis website to learn the immense
freedom and accessibility one achieves from using a touch screen phone such
as the Apple iPhone.

Gene is completely in the extreme minority when he makes his statements
regarding the iPhone and such. If you go to any center for the blind or
vision impaired, the iPhone will be just about omnipresent at these
locations regardless of age. I should also add that there is also a learning
curve with the dumb phones Gene suggests. I have both of these types of
phones, and using my Samsung Haven was so slow and tedious that I did only
use it for phone calls, but when I began using an iPhone, my world opened
up.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

It depends on what you mean by a life time. With practice, I would estimate
that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a
number three times, less if you press a number one or two times. I would
much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in
this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen
phone. Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a
phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more
time when texting. It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed
for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a
smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an
external keyboard.

Gene.
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie
































Re: LG Revere 3

Gene
 

I'm not at all sure you are correct that my previous message could be interpreted in that way but matters have been clarified if it might have.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok, I can understand this post of yours, but your previous post conveyed to
those reading your message that a touch screen phone was nearly impossible
to use. For those who care to explore other lists, there's a giant world out
there with many blind people doing amazing things with their phones and
computers. Just because you don't hear about these people on this list
doesn't mean they don't exist. Have you even ever held and used a touch
screen phone? I don't think so. And oh yeah, guess what, people also
struggle with dumb phones.
 
I will state right here and now that I absolutely 100% love a touch screen
phone over a dumb phone any time and any day of the year. The accessibility
and utility provided by a touch screen phone is unmatched by a dumb phone. I
use the grade 2 braille keyboard entry on my iPhone, and I can type text
faster than a sighted person using a dumb phone's keyboard or a sighted
person using a smart phone's on screen keyboard--this is not an
exaggeration.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I didn't say I struggled.  I don't want to use a smart phone and so I didn't
struggle. Nor am I assuming I would or wouldn't struggle if I learned to use
a touch screen phone.  Many people do struggle and many don't but I haven't
heard people say they love using touch screens or that they prefer them to
keyboards.  I don't use a smart phone because I simply am not interested in
what I can do with one.  I am perfectly satisfied to use a dial pad phone
and many other people are as well.  But many blind people don't even know
that option exists.  All they hear about are smart phones with speech, not
about other options. 
 
The message I responded to said that the writer thought it would take a long
time to write a text using a dial pad phone.  My point is that if it takes
me one or two minutes to write a text, I would much rather take extra time
to write a text than to spend hours learning how to use a touch screen
phone, whether from tutorials, or other ways.  It is important that blind
people know that alternatives exist for using a phone largely for calls and
texts to smart phones.  and, as I said, if texting takes longer, people who
want to use dial pad phones should consider how much time they would spend
learning a smart screen phone, whether they struggle with a touch screen or
not.
 
but I said nothing about how many people struggle or don't with touch
screens.  I don't have any figures on that.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

When using a smart phone with a touch screen, not everyone will struggle as
Gene has struggled in his message below. The VIPhone list is a user list
made up of about 2500 iPhone users. This is a very large list, and I can't
recall anyone ever complaining that a touch screen is overly difficult or
impossible to use. Yes, there is a learning curve, but it also exists for
the new Windows computer user or new Apple computer user.

There are some who will not have the need for a smart phone, but for those
who do, just take a look at the apple vis website to learn the immense
freedom and accessibility one achieves from using a touch screen phone such
as the Apple iPhone.

Gene is completely in the extreme minority when he makes his statements
regarding the iPhone and such. If you go to any center for the blind or
vision impaired, the iPhone will be just about omnipresent at these
locations regardless of age. I should also add that there is also a learning
curve with the dumb phones Gene suggests. I have both of these types of
phones, and using my Samsung Haven was so slow and tedious that I did only
use it for phone calls, but when I began using an iPhone, my world opened
up.
 
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

It depends on what you mean by a life time.  With practice, I would estimate
that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a
number three times, less if you press a number one or two times.  I would
much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in
this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen
phone.  Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a
phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more
time when texting.  It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed
for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a
smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an
external keyboard. 
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie




 




























Re: LG Revere 3

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Ok, I can understand this post of yours, but your previous post conveyed to
those reading your message that a touch screen phone was nearly impossible
to use. For those who care to explore other lists, there's a giant world out
there with many blind people doing amazing things with their phones and
computers. Just because you don't hear about these people on this list
doesn't mean they don't exist. Have you even ever held and used a touch
screen phone? I don't think so. And oh yeah, guess what, people also
struggle with dumb phones.

I will state right here and now that I absolutely 100% love a touch screen
phone over a dumb phone any time and any day of the year. The accessibility
and utility provided by a touch screen phone is unmatched by a dumb phone. I
use the grade 2 braille keyboard entry on my iPhone, and I can type text
faster than a sighted person using a dumb phone's keyboard or a sighted
person using a smart phone's on screen keyboard--this is not an
exaggeration.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I didn't say I struggled. I don't want to use a smart phone and so I didn't
struggle. Nor am I assuming I would or wouldn't struggle if I learned to use
a touch screen phone. Many people do struggle and many don't but I haven't
heard people say they love using touch screens or that they prefer them to
keyboards. I don't use a smart phone because I simply am not interested in
what I can do with one. I am perfectly satisfied to use a dial pad phone
and many other people are as well. But many blind people don't even know
that option exists. All they hear about are smart phones with speech, not
about other options.

The message I responded to said that the writer thought it would take a long
time to write a text using a dial pad phone. My point is that if it takes
me one or two minutes to write a text, I would much rather take extra time
to write a text than to spend hours learning how to use a touch screen
phone, whether from tutorials, or other ways. It is important that blind
people know that alternatives exist for using a phone largely for calls and
texts to smart phones. and, as I said, if texting takes longer, people who
want to use dial pad phones should consider how much time they would spend
learning a smart screen phone, whether they struggle with a touch screen or
not.

but I said nothing about how many people struggle or don't with touch
screens. I don't have any figures on that.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

When using a smart phone with a touch screen, not everyone will struggle as
Gene has struggled in his message below. The VIPhone list is a user list
made up of about 2500 iPhone users. This is a very large list, and I can't
recall anyone ever complaining that a touch screen is overly difficult or
impossible to use. Yes, there is a learning curve, but it also exists for
the new Windows computer user or new Apple computer user.

There are some who will not have the need for a smart phone, but for those
who do, just take a look at the apple vis website to learn the immense
freedom and accessibility one achieves from using a touch screen phone such
as the Apple iPhone.

Gene is completely in the extreme minority when he makes his statements
regarding the iPhone and such. If you go to any center for the blind or
vision impaired, the iPhone will be just about omnipresent at these
locations regardless of age. I should also add that there is also a learning
curve with the dumb phones Gene suggests. I have both of these types of
phones, and using my Samsung Haven was so slow and tedious that I did only
use it for phone calls, but when I began using an iPhone, my world opened
up.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

It depends on what you mean by a life time. With practice, I would estimate
that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a
number three times, less if you press a number one or two times. I would
much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in
this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen
phone. Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a
phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more
time when texting. It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed
for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a
smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an
external keyboard.

Gene.
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Carlos
 

And exactly how many results do you think someone is likely to find in a casual Google search specifically posted by Microsoft discussing potential problems which affect screen reader users updating to the Anniversary edition? Such discussions are much more likely to be taking place on the Windows 10 and NVDA mailing lists. While a Google search might be a useful suggestion for finding information which is casually available, questions relating to accessibility are much more likely to produce useful and immediate results on mailing lists such as these. Also, while I agree that learning to search for basic information may be good advice and may teach members to help themselves in the future, I am getting tired of you constantly using this argument when you reply. If you don't want to help then don't bother replying, but constantly telling members to search for it on Google is annoying and may discourage members from asking questions. Perhaps you don't require any assistance from this kind of list and the next time you have a question or problem, you should just Google it yourself. If you believe that everything can be so easily found on Google, then why are you even subscribed to this list?

The presentations created by Joseph Lee and the assistance provided by his Windows 10 mailing list are an incalculable source for blind Windows 10 users. Before you resort to criticizing someone else's hard work and effort, you should try creating a presentation yourself.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade


Yes, at times poor information is conveyed by those who have never used Windows 10 and believe their general assumptions on the matter are correct. Rather than to wait for someone to come along and show some mercy and answer one's question, it is much better to run a Google search from a reliable source such as Microsoft.

If the Windows presentation referred to below is the same one I heard, that was a poor presentation. It consists of lots of what I consider rambling and very poor sound quality in terms of how the content was presented. One doesn't talk over a screen reader when making a presentation such as this one, nor does someone repeatedly move away from the microphone.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

I listened to about the first half of the accessible world presentation by Joseph Lee. The only problems he spoke of that I recall were if you were using a version of a screen-reader that doesn't support the new Windows version. When there are changes in Windows, there is a lot of inaccurate and incorrect information spread around the blind computer using community. Be very very careful what sources you believe at such times. I'm not saying the bad information is intentional, but I'm saying that it exists.

I'll believe such information as I see from Joseph Lee and a few other select and reliable and knowledgeable group. I'll be suspicious of most information.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Although it sounds as if she is referring to problems with the anniversary update, not the current version. The question then becomes, what is the source of the claims for these problems? You can defer the update on the Professional edition, but that is the best you can probably manage without completely disabling updates.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth <mailto:wohlggie@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade


Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD. Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these. Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.



On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:


Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather


Re: LG Revere 3

Gene
 

I didn't say I struggled.  I don't want to use a smart phone and so I didn't struggle. Nor am I assuming I would or wouldn't struggle if I learned to use a touch screen phone.  Many people do struggle and many don't but I haven't heard people say they love using touch screens or that they prefer them to keyboards.  I don't use a smart phone because I simply am not interested in what I can do with one.  I am perfectly satisfied to use a dial pad phone and many other people are as well.  But many blind people don't even know that option exists.  All they hear about are smart phones with speech, not about other options. 
 
The message I responded to said that the writer thought it would take a long time to write a text using a dial pad phone.  My point is that if it takes me one or two minutes to write a text, I would much rather take extra time to write a text than to spend hours learning how to use a touch screen phone, whether from tutorials, or other ways.  It is important that blind people know that alternatives exist for using a phone largely for calls and texts to smart phones.  and, as I said, if texting takes longer, people who want to use dial pad phones should consider how much time they would spend learning a smart screen phone, whether they struggle with a touch screen or not. 
 
but I said nothing about how many people struggle or don't with touch screens.  I don't have any figures on that.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

When using a smart phone with a touch screen, not everyone will struggle as
Gene has struggled in his message below. The VIPhone list is a user list
made up of about 2500 iPhone users. This is a very large list, and I can't
recall anyone ever complaining that a touch screen is overly difficult or
impossible to use. Yes, there is a learning curve, but it also exists for
the new Windows computer user or new Apple computer user.

There are some who will not have the need for a smart phone, but for those
who do, just take a look at the apple vis website to learn the immense
freedom and accessibility one achieves from using a touch screen phone such
as the Apple iPhone.

Gene is completely in the extreme minority when he makes his statements
regarding the iPhone and such. If you go to any center for the blind or
vision impaired, the iPhone will be just about omnipresent at these
locations regardless of age. I should also add that there is also a learning
curve with the dumb phones Gene suggests. I have both of these types of
phones, and using my Samsung Haven was so slow and tedious that I did only
use it for phone calls, but when I began using an iPhone, my world opened
up.
 
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

It depends on what you mean by a life time.  With practice, I would estimate
that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a
number three times, less if you press a number one or two times.  I would
much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in
this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen
phone.  Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a
phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more
time when texting.  It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed
for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a
smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an
external keyboard. 
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie




 























Re: Question About iStick and Appandora,

Monica Jones
 

Hi Walter, and thanks. It sounded like a computer program only, but I wanted to be sure. As for ITunes, I never use it if there's another way. (smile)

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Ramage
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About iStick and Appandora,

Hi Monica. No, the Appandora programme only goes on the computer, it is
simply a transfer tool. It highjacks the iTune drivers to put the music in
your iPhone default music folder but when you are running appandora, be sure
not to run iTunes. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Monica Jones
Sent: 31 July 2016 17:02
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About iStick and Appandora,

Hi Walter, do you put the Andora app on your phone as wel as the computer? I

have the IStick app on my phone already for when I get it. I downloaded it a

long time when you first talked about it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Ramage
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About iStick and Appandora,

Hi Lisa. I've checked Amazon.com and they do have iSticks there under
"computers." You can download the Appandora programme from
www.Appandora.com and it is free. If I can be of any further help, just let
me know and I'll help if I can. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisa Belville
Sent: 29 July 2016 18:54
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question About iStick and Appandora,

Hi, Walter.

Coming from another person who despises iTunes with a passion. . . .Where
does one get this Appandora, program?

Also, I'm looking on Amazon for the iStick and can't find any results. I'm
either looking in the wrong departments-- Cell phones, computers, and
electronics, or Amazon doesn't cell it in the U.S.

TIA for the info.

Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...

Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
different one each day.








Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones








Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Yes, at times poor information is conveyed by those who have never used Windows 10 and believe their general assumptions on the matter are correct. Rather than to wait for someone to come along and show some mercy and answer one's question, it is much better to run a Google search from a reliable source such as Microsoft.

If the Windows presentation referred to below is the same one I heard, that was a poor presentation. It consists of lots of what I consider rambling and very poor sound quality in terms of how the content was presented. One doesn't talk over a screen reader when making a presentation such as this one, nor does someone repeatedly move away from the microphone.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

I listened to about the first half of the accessible world presentation by Joseph Lee. The only problems he spoke of that I recall were if you were using a version of a screen-reader that doesn't support the new Windows version. When there are changes in Windows, there is a lot of inaccurate and incorrect information spread around the blind computer using community. Be very very careful what sources you believe at such times. I'm not saying the bad information is intentional, but I'm saying that it exists.

I'll believe such information as I see from Joseph Lee and a few other select and reliable and knowledgeable group. I'll be suspicious of most information.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Although it sounds as if she is referring to problems with the anniversary update, not the current version. The question then becomes, what is the source of the claims for these problems? You can defer the update on the Professional edition, but that is the best you can probably manage without completely disabling updates.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth <mailto:wohlggie@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade


Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD. Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these. Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.



On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:


Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather


Re: LG Revere 3

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

When using a smart phone with a touch screen, not everyone will struggle as
Gene has struggled in his message below. The VIPhone list is a user list
made up of about 2500 iPhone users. This is a very large list, and I can't
recall anyone ever complaining that a touch screen is overly difficult or
impossible to use. Yes, there is a learning curve, but it also exists for
the new Windows computer user or new Apple computer user.

There are some who will not have the need for a smart phone, but for those
who do, just take a look at the apple vis website to learn the immense
freedom and accessibility one achieves from using a touch screen phone such
as the Apple iPhone.

Gene is completely in the extreme minority when he makes his statements
regarding the iPhone and such. If you go to any center for the blind or
vision impaired, the iPhone will be just about omnipresent at these
locations regardless of age. I should also add that there is also a learning
curve with the dumb phones Gene suggests. I have both of these types of
phones, and using my Samsung Haven was so slow and tedious that I did only
use it for phone calls, but when I began using an iPhone, my world opened
up.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

It depends on what you mean by a life time. With practice, I would estimate
that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a
number three times, less if you press a number one or two times. I would
much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in
this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen
phone. Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a
phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more
time when texting. It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed
for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a
smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an
external keyboard.

Gene.
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie


Re: Attachment in Outlook 2016

Gene
 

Did you try what I suggested?  In Outlook, you can copy a file to the clipboard, then paste it into the message body. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

Hi Carolyn,

I am still working on this attachment in Outlook 2013.  I would place the
shortcut in an attachment but there is not a space for an attachment. 
Tabbing from subject is the message body.  When I press Alt-I in message
body nothing happens.  Also when I use Alt-N-A-F it does not match any of
the file types.

Veronica


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

I have 2013. I don't know if you just enter the shortcut name, after you hit
Alt-N-A-F, or if you could get by the name of the shortcut and paste it
where you insert an attachment. It would be worth a try.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

I am sorry but in the subject I meant outlook 2013.  What I am trying to
send to a friend is

 

facebook chat 1 KB Internet shortcut

 

The person said I had to send it as an attachment before it would work as a
link to facebook.

 

Veronica

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

 

I don't know what kind of short cut you are trying to send but short cuts
I've seen on my system do have an extension.
I doubt Windows would do anything with the file if it didn't.  The shortcuts
I've seen have the extension .lnk. 

 

What sort of short cut are you trying to send? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:28 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

 

Hello,

 

Is there a way to send an attachment in outlook 2013without it being a
particular file type?  I need to send a shortcut as an attachment without a
file type.  Thank you for your help in advance.

 

Veronica

 










Re: Attachment in Outlook 2016

Veronica Kirk
 

Hi Carolyn,

I am still working on this attachment in Outlook 2013. I would place the
shortcut in an attachment but there is not a space for an attachment.
Tabbing from subject is the message body. When I press Alt-I in message
body nothing happens. Also when I use Alt-N-A-F it does not match any of
the file types.

Veronica

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

I have 2013. I don't know if you just enter the shortcut name, after you hit
Alt-N-A-F, or if you could get by the name of the shortcut and paste it
where you insert an attachment. It would be worth a try.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016

I am sorry but in the subject I meant outlook 2013. What I am trying to
send to a friend is



facebook chat 1 KB Internet shortcut



The person said I had to send it as an attachment before it would work as a
link to facebook.



Veronica





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016



I don't know what kind of short cut you are trying to send but short cuts
I've seen on my system do have an extension.
I doubt Windows would do anything with the file if it didn't. The shortcuts
I've seen have the extension .lnk.



What sort of short cut are you trying to send?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:28 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: [TechTalk] Attachment in Outlook 2016



Hello,



Is there a way to send an attachment in outlook 2013without it being a
particular file type? I need to send a shortcut as an attachment without a
file type. Thank you for your help in advance.



Veronica


Anniversary Update advisory: if using JAWS, wait until Version 1607 shows up on Windows Update #msftenable #winten1607

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi JAWS users,

Comes from Twitter (from a reliable source) and was subsequently confirmed based on experience:

 

If you are using JAWS for Windows and if you attempt to use Media Creation Tool (MCT) to upgrade to Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Version 1607/build 14393), you’ll be greeted with a message that says your display is incompatible. After some investigation, it was traced to FS mirror display driver, especially on systems that have upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.

 

For members of the win10 group and its subgroups (termed group cluster): the following advisory is in effect:

 

1.       Use JAWS 17.0.2619 or later.

2.       Do NOT use Media Creation Tool at this time; wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows Update (I was able to confirm this, as I have managed to upgrade to build 14393 with J17 installed and did it via Windows Update).

 

If you have questions about this and other issues when upgrading to Anniversary Update, please contact Microsoft Accessibility Help Desk, mention @MSFTEnable or @FreedomSci on Twitter or contact Freedom Scientific (now part of Vision Freedom Optelec (VFO)). Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: LG Revere 3

Gene
 

It depends on what you mean by a life time.  With practice, I would estimate that a letter would take roughly a second to write if it requires pressing a number three times, less if you press a number one or two times.  I would much rather take the time to write the very small number of texts I write in this way than spend the large amount of time learning to use a touch screen phone.  Since I have no interest in using a smart phone and I only want a phone for occasional calls and occasional texts, I would rather spend more time when texting.  It makes no sense to talk about the added time needed for texting unless you compare it to the time it takes to learn to use a smart phone and to use a touch screen unless you are going to use an external keyboard. 
 
Gene. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie




 


















Re: LG Revere 3

Kimsan
 

Ok that is what I thought so writing a message like, hey honey can you pick
up some milk, eggs and pampers on your way home would probably take a life
time I assume.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Right - 2 ABC. 2 four times equals 2, as the number 2. It has a telephone
dial - great little flip phone. It does have Internet capability, but I have
not used that feature. It has Voice Command. I really don't know how to use
that other than to listen to a telephone number of a contact.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Does this phone have a qwerty keyboard?
Just curious if not, how long does it take to send a text.
If memory serves,
2 = A B C, 3 = d e f, so you have to press the corosponding button to the
letter for every word. Crap, I'm not sure how to word my question, so I'll
just say explain how you send a text.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I was afraid that doing it without speech would not work and am so glad that
you got help now. All you have to do, if the phone has been powered off, is
press that middle square, when it asks if you want full read out on.

If you want to use Voice Command, press the long button above the 2 for a
couple of seconds, and it will ask you to give a command. It might take a
little bit of adjustment of the phone to your voice and accent. I don't use
it for anything other than to read a phone number from my Contacts.


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Thanks but it did not work. Luckily I was with my nephew last night and he
was able to help me get the phone talking so all is fine.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

Marie, I was hoping someone more sure than I am would answer your query. Try
this:

1. Open your LG Revere 3 phone.
2. Press the middle button, which is the menu. I am assuming that you have
no speech, so from here, be very careful.
3. Press 9. That will put you on Access.
4. Press the menu square again; it should be at Full Read Out.
6. Press menu again, and see if it starts talking.
7. Then you'd have to press the menu square again to save your changes.

From then on, whenever your phone is powered off, when you turn it on, it
will ask you if you want Full Read Out restored. Just press the menu square.

Good luck. I hope this helps. I just feel so insecure doing something like
this without a clue.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] LG Revere 3

I am moving from a Revere2 to the Revere3 for my backup phone. A while back,
someone posted directions for turning on the speech without sighted help
when you first get the phone. I thought I had saved the message but am not
able to find it. So if anyone remembers the directions, could you please
re-post.
Thanks, Marie


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Gene
 

If that information is reliable, about some older machines having problems, and if you can't control when you get the update on a home version of the program, can you delay it being active by not rebooting after the update is installed?  It may be that Windows reboots automatically a certain time after updates are installed.  But if you can keep a reboot from happening as long as possible, you may get extra time.  And maybe the reboot is not automatic, though I suspect it is after a certain passage of time. 
 
Gene


Re: 360 Total Security and how to get rid of it?

Gene
 

I notice you said you are using Windows 10.  That being the case, those knowledgeable will, I hope, discuss the reversion option in Windows 10 that allows you to revert to a completely pristine installation of Windows.  You said you want to solve the problem without sighted assistance.  I don't know what you are willing to do and if you are willing to have sighted assistance or a tech work on your machine.  I'm saying that if you want to do all the work involved in reinstalling everything that is currently on your machine, Windows 10 gives you to restore to a pristine Windows installation option.  I don't know what it's called and others would have to discuss it further.  Are you interested?  Are your data files such as documents, audio files, etc. backed up?  You may also have to put them back on the machine.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 360 Total Security and how to get rid of it?


Have you looked for this program under All Programs?  It may be listed as
either 360 Total Security or Qihoo 360 Total Security, and if you find it
there, there should be an uninstall option.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 360 Total Security and how to get rid of it?

Hi,
Please, please, tell me there's a way that my husband and i can get rid
of this on our own as totally blind people? We have the latest version
of JAWS as well as the latest version of NVDA and will use whichever one
will let us do this and are using Windows 10. When my husband got an
iCloud update this program got on our computer and it now is preventing
us from updating to the latest TWBlue or using it at all. It's also
slowing the computer down somewhat too. We have and use Viper and are
amazed it allowed this on here. The program is not accessible with
either JAWS or NVDA and we've tried to remove it the normal way to
remove a program with no success. If anyone can help or knows anything
about this, please email me either privately or on list? Thanks.
--
Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

 




Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

heather albright
 


I am not currently having problems but, the new update that came out on aug. 2 is causing some issues on older pcs and I want to wait to update the latest version of 10. I have been reading about this off the windows 10 list! Heather

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD.  Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these.  Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.   


On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:
Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather


Re: 360 Total Security and how to get rid of it?

Gerald Levy
 

Have you looked for this program under All Programs? It may be listed as either 360 Total Security or Qihoo 360 Total Security, and if you find it there, there should be an uninstall option.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 360 Total Security and how to get rid of it?

Hi,
Please, please, tell me there's a way that my husband and i can get rid
of this on our own as totally blind people? We have the latest version
of JAWS as well as the latest version of NVDA and will use whichever one
will let us do this and are using Windows 10. When my husband got an
iCloud update this program got on our computer and it now is preventing
us from updating to the latest TWBlue or using it at all. It's also
slowing the computer down somewhat too. We have and use Viper and are
amazed it allowed this on here. The program is not accessible with
either JAWS or NVDA and we've tried to remove it the normal way to
remove a program with no success. If anyone can help or knows anything
about this, please email me either privately or on list? Thanks.
--
Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Gene
 

I listened to about the first half of the accessible world presentation by Joseph Lee.  The only problems he spoke of that I recall were if you were using a version of a screen-reader that doesn't support the new Windows version.  When there are changes in Windows, there is a lot of inaccurate and incorrect information spread around the blind computer using community.  Be very very careful what sources you believe at such times.  I'm not saying the bad information is intentional, but I'm saying that it exists. 
 
I'll believe such information as I see from Joseph Lee and a few other select and reliable and knowledgeable group.  I'll be suspicious of most information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Although it sounds as if she is referring to problems with the anniversary update, not the current version.  The question then becomes, what is the source of the claims for these problems?  You can defer the update on the Professional edition, but that is the best you can probably manage without completely disabling updates.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD.  Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these.  Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.   


On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:
Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

Installation problems some are experiencing due to display incompatibility flag. I and others are trying to figure out if it might be caused by presence of really old mirror display driver, GPU driver issue or what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

 

Although it sounds as if she is referring to problems with the anniversary update, not the current version.  The question then becomes, what is the source of the claims for these problems?  You can defer the update on the Professional edition, but that is the best you can probably manage without completely disabling updates.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

 

Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD.  Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these.  Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.   

 

On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:

Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather

 


Re: how to delay windows ten upgrade

Carlos
 


Although it sounds as if she is referring to problems with the anniversary update, not the current version.  The question then becomes, what is the source of the claims for these problems?  You can defer the update on the Professional edition, but that is the best you can probably manage without completely disabling updates.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to delay windows ten upgrade

Question, what problemns are you referring to with respect to Windows 10? I have been running 10 for several months now with little or no problems at all? BTW, I am running the latest version of Window-Eyes on an AMD 29.1 GHz system with 4 gig of ram and a 1 Gig HD.  Just interested in what all of these problems are with 10? Just thought I would ask since I have had none of these.  Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim.   


On 03-Aug-16 13:28, heather albright wrote:
Hello, I wanted to know if I can make my pc not upgrade to the latest windows ten version! It is set for automatic updates! I have been hearing about all the problems with the new update and wanted to wait to download it when it fixes itself out! I am running windows ten home on my desktop and it windows 10 professional on my laptop! Thanks, Heather