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Re: Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

I think that utility is for removing older versions of JAWS. Running it do not hurt anyway.
By the way, try Thunderbird.

On 9/5/2016 11:08 AM, Carlos wrote:
Yes I thought this problem had been fixed as well. I also would recommend
uninstalling JAWS and using the clean up utility posted by Freedom
Scientific here.
https://www.freedomscientific.com/support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
You can then use NVDA to perform the upgrade. Mind you, I am a bit
surprised this problem is occurring with 8 since mirror display drivers are
no longer used in Windows 8 and later.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to
Outlook 2013?


I thought Microsoft fixed that issue?
Sorry but I think you should remove JAWS completely before upgrading.
This is really not about your actual graphics card but I think it's
about the Accessibility Display Driver that JAWS uses to communicate
with the operating system.


On 9/5/2016 10:33 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst
of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is
incompatible. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I am using a Dell
XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t
see how it could be a system hardware issue. Then again, the video card
is built in to the motherboard. BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop
that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.





Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to
Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.





Re: Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Carlos
 

Yes I thought this problem had been fixed as well. I also would recommend
uninstalling JAWS and using the clean up utility posted by Freedom
Scientific here.
https://www.freedomscientific.com/support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
You can then use NVDA to perform the upgrade. Mind you, I am a bit
surprised this problem is occurring with 8 since mirror display drivers are
no longer used in Windows 8 and later.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to
Outlook 2013?


I thought Microsoft fixed that issue?
Sorry but I think you should remove JAWS completely before upgrading.
This is really not about your actual graphics card but I think it's
about the Accessibility Display Driver that JAWS uses to communicate
with the operating system.


On 9/5/2016 10:33 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst
of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is
incompatible. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I am using a Dell
XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t
see how it could be a system hardware issue. Then again, the video card
is built in to the motherboard. BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop
that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.





Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to
Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.


Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Carlos
 

Well said Gene.  I have no objection to discussions of it's legality.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, [TechTalk] Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this is our current policy.  Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at the owner's comment address:
 
It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who produce such material.  According to a recent article in AFB's Access World, someone working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such sharing and not one has ever complained.  it strains credulity also, that producers are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service. 
 
Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to allow occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing promotion. 
 
We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as to the legality of the app.  My view is that discussing or debating its legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of course, if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he wants the policy changed from my interpretation. 
 
Gene


Re: Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Gene
 

I made an error and wrote sound card error in my last message.  I meant to write video card error. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

There is some sort of upgrade problem when using JAWS that results in the sound card error.  I'm not sure if the most recent version of JAWS causes this error.  I'm sure others who know a lot more about the subject will provide more information.  I'm writing to let you know that this is a known problem and you should get more information from others. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 12:33 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is incompatible.  That doesn’t make any sense to me.    I am using a Dell XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t see how it could be a system hardware issue.  Then again, the video card is built in to the motherboard.  BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.

 

 

Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.


Re: Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Gene
 

There is some sort of upgrade problem when using JAWS that results in the sound card error.  I'm not sure if the most recent version of JAWS causes this error.  I'm sure others who know a lot more about the subject will provide more information.  I'm writing to let you know that this is a known problem and you should get more information from others. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 12:33 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is incompatible.  That doesn’t make any sense to me.    I am using a Dell XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t see how it could be a system hardware issue.  Then again, the video card is built in to the motherboard.  BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.

 

 

Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.


Re: Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

I thought Microsoft fixed that issue?
Sorry but I think you should remove JAWS completely before upgrading. This is really not about your actual graphics card but I think it's about the Accessibility Display Driver that JAWS uses to communicate with the operating system.

On 9/5/2016 10:33 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst
of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is
incompatible. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I am using a Dell
XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t
see how it could be a system hardware issue. Then again, the video card
is built in to the motherboard. BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop
that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.





Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to
Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.


Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Gene
 

Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this is our current policy.  Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at the owner's comment address:
 
It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who produce such material.  According to a recent article in AFB's Access World, someone working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such sharing and not one has ever complained.  it strains credulity also, that producers are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service. 
 
Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to allow occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing promotion. 
 
We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as to the legality of the app.  My view is that discussing or debating its legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of course, if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he wants the policy changed from my interpretation. 
 
Gene


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Seams like a memory or processor issue.
What's the laptop's specs?
Windows 10 won't run well alone with screen readers on old laptops. The CPU usage can quickly become 100%.

On 9/5/2016 7:48 AM, Rajmund wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox, NVDA, window eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once a browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem to be getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the laptop is unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing the worse delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will struggle more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with, I thought that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the fact, that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not, anything I could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10 settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't lose. As well as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense




Re: safari?

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Yes. Actually, Apple does not allow third party engines to be used for third party browsers as far as iOS goes. They all have to implement webkit functionality one way or the other. Webkit is the engine used by apps like Safari and third party apps like Chrome.

On 5 Sep 2016, at 16:47, Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@gmail.com> wrote:

hi guys, Is Safari the most accessible engine for apple devices?, Billy



Trouble installing Windows 10 and alternative to Outlook 2013?

Peter Spitz
 

I am trying to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 but in the midst of the install, I keep getting a message that my video card is incompatible.  That doesn’t make any sense to me.    I am using a Dell XPS 8700 with 3.6 I7 quad four processors and 32 GB of RAM so I don’t see how it could be a system hardware issue.  Then again, the video card is built in to the motherboard.  BTW, I was able to upgrade on a laptop that was on 2.6 I5 with 16GB RAM, also a Dell.

 

 

Also, if anyone can recommend an JAWS 17 accessible alternative to Outlook 2013, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks for any advice.


Re: Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Laz
 

Hi all,

Seeing as Ann has been a member of SAM Net for years, perhaps she can
answer my below question which Joe has thus far ignored? Please
remembr that ignorance is no excuse and won't keep you out of jail if
you're found to be participating in situations which break the law.
I'm sure that as a long-standing SAM Net member you must have access
to someone in charge who can give a straightforward answer to my
simple question and clear this up in short order...

Here is what I asked in my reply to Joe's post:

Hi Joe,

Since you mentioned full disclosure, I've always wondered if the TV
shows and movies you mentioned as part of the $99 price are being
offered legally. I'm just curious about that before even considering
this service.

Thanks,

Laz

On 9/4/16, Ann Parsons <akp@samobile.net> wrote:
Hi all,

Why don't you get proof before starting rumors. People who start
rumors are trolls, and I have little or no respect for trolls. Go, get
proof, if you're going to accuse somebody of wrong-doing, then you
better have proof. BTW, this might be taken as slander. Get off your
fundament and get proof!

Oh, yes, in case you think I'm doing this only because I've been a
member of SAM Net for years, let me assure you that whatever rumors you
decided to start I'd call you on them. You can't just accuse somebody
of wrong-doing unless you have actual, hard proof. That's why criminal
suspects in this country are considered to be innocent until proven guilty.

Ann P.

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Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Carlos
 

You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which might give you an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to struggle. Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another possibility is that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows 10 and certain applications.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop, but as I say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since window eyes made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and more, I have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the 18th, and I got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the last thing I wanted. BUT now?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is probably the
best option. The Reset option means that you would have to reinstall all
applications and reconfigure all settings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox, NVDA, window
eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once a
browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem to be
getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the laptop is
unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing the worse
delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more
than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will struggle
more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with, I thought
that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the fact,
that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not, anything I
could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do
no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10
settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't lose. As well
as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense







Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin Frost
 

Hi Peter,
Thanks for writing back. Yes I had considered just replacing the battery but we have enough outages and fluctuations around here that usually about every 4 years I just replace the entire unit.  I have the 750G from the same series as yours so am familiar with its behavior, buttons and how you have to place the connector for its battery, the last of these requiring some dexterity at least for me anyway (smile). As such the thought of completely removing the battery and replacing it seemed like more than I’d wish to take on though I know others who do it regularly. I just ordered two new 750g’s this morning but am still interested in what if anything else others are benefiting from using.
Thanks once again for taking the time to reply.
Be well,
Robin
 
 

From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units
 

Robin:

 

This is what I use, got it from Amazon:  APC Battery Backup & Surge Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).

 

It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without needing any help.  For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around though.  While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind friendly.  When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup.  It will also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.

 

Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery in your older UPS, have you considered that too?  Just search the model on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.

 

Good Luck,

 

Peter

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today. Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin

 


Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Peter Spitz
 

Robin:

 

This is what I use, got it from Amazon:  APC Battery Backup & Surge Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).

 

It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without needing any help.  For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around though.  While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind friendly.  When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup.  It will also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.

 

Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery in your older UPS, have you considered that too?  Just search the model on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.

 

Good Luck,

 

Peter

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today. Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin

 


safari?

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Is Safari the most accessible engine for apple devices?, Billy


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop, but as I say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since window eyes made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and more, I have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the 18th, and I got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the last thing I wanted. BUT now?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is probably the
best option. The Reset option means that you would have to reinstall all
applications and reconfigure all settings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox, NVDA, window
eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once a
browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem to be
getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the laptop is
unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing the worse
delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more
than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will struggle
more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with, I thought
that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the fact,
that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not, anything I
could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do
no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10
settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't lose. As well
as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense







Accessible neutrician tracker for Windows 7 wanted

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

I’m looking for a screen reader friendly way to track neutrician information.  I want to input what I eat and output caleries, fat, carbohydrates, protein etc.  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks very much,
George


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Carlos
 

I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is probably the best option. The Reset option means that you would have to reinstall all applications and reconfigure all settings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox, NVDA, window eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once a browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem to be getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the laptop is unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing the worse delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will struggle more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with, I thought that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the fact, that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not, anything I could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10 settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't lose. As well as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense




Accessible TV's and more, perhaps?

Mike Thomas
 

Just a thought that has ben going through my head for some time ...

If we could convince Apple to include an IR sending LED into their products, couldn't apps be written to control almost anything that uses an IR based remote control? In my thoughts, this would make so many items accessible that are now not to the blind community, and combine all remotes into one unit for the sighted and blind alike. With voice over, we could control so many things, and it might even spur manufacturers to make all the current touch screen stuff IR compatible with the phones and tablets.


Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox, NVDA, window eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once a browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem to be getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the laptop is unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing the worse delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will struggle more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with, I thought that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the fact, that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not, anything I could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10 settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't lose. As well as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense

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