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Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Carlos
 

Good luck.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


LOL, I was giving exact numbers. Anyway, resetting now. I've made a note of all my apps and addons I've had on there, they're currently in a folder on u2 for now, (6 gigs...) and once it's done, I'll just reinstall them all.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:57 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



The hard drive is most likely 500 GB. Hard drives are not manufactured in sizes of odd divisions such as 465 GB. Windows will report less than the total drive capacity for a few reasons.

1. Some space is reserved by the file system.

2. Windows calculates 1 GB as 1024 MB, while manufacturers calculate 1 GB as 1000 MB.

3. Some space on the drive may be in use by a manufacturer recovery partition.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


Hello, thanks for that. 465 GB hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, 2.2 GHZ processor. So I'll try a reset.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 11:08 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Of course, a machine which barely meets the minimum requirements does not usually allow much leeway. Even if your system meets the minimum requirements, that does not necessarily mean it will be able to run Windows 10 smoothly.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



How do I find out the latter?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



If something is causing instability, then possibly. If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?



Sent from my iPhone 5S



On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:





Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th. The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29. JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list. But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare. Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing















I don't know. Either something is causing instability or your system's



resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing











OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA



responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't



respond to my right arrow, to move to details.















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing















Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is



consistent.



----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to



ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well. >> > Would



it



help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing















To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU



usage:



1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.



2. Make sure that the



"More details"



button is selected.



3. Navigate to the



"Details"



tab.



4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >>
>> a



list



of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different



criteria.



The first header bar is



"Name"



Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the



"CPU"



header bar. Press Enter on the header bar



to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have



clicked



the header bar, review the list again.



The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU



resources. Ignore the very first item labeled



"System Idle Process"



If the



"System Idle Process"



is not the very first item, then click the



"CPU"



header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in



descending



order.



----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,



please?







Sent from a BrailleNote







----- Original Message -----



From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing







You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>

might


give



you



an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to



struggle.



Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another



possibility



is



that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows

10


and



certain applications.



----- Original Message -----



From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing











No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,

but


as



I



say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since



window



eyes



made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and



more,



I



have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the >>

18th,


and



I



got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>

last


thing I



wanted. BUT now?















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing















I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is



probably



the



best option. The Reset option means that you would have to



reinstall



all



applications and reconfigure all settings.



----- Original Message -----



From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM



Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











Hello,



Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,

NVDA,


window



eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a



browser loads, all 34 of them struggle.. In other words, I seem

to


be



getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>

laptop


is



unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing

the


worse



delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>

struggle



more



than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will



struggle



more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with,

I


thought



that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the



fact,



that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,



anything



I



could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>

reset,


they



do



no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the >>

windows


10



settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>

lose.


As



well



as which option to choose. Thanks so much!







Sent from a Braille Sense



















































































































































































Re: downloading using internet explorer/how to stop the list of previously downloaded files from showing

Carlos
 

You can clear the list, but that does not explain why the
"View Downloads"
dialog is being displayed instead of the information bar when pressing Alt+N. This is not standard or expected behavior.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@samobile.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading using internet explorer/how to stop the list of previously downloaded files from showing


Hi all,

RE getting rid of previous downloads in the window. I thought I remember seeing a clear queue button or something of the sort.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

LOL, I was giving exact numbers. Anyway, resetting now. I've made a note of all my apps and addons I've had on there, they're currently in a folder on u2 for now, (6 gigs...) and once it's done, I'll just reinstall them all.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:57 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



The hard drive is most likely 500 GB. Hard drives are not manufactured in sizes of odd divisions such as 465 GB. Windows will report less than the total drive capacity for a few reasons.

1. Some space is reserved by the file system.

2. Windows calculates 1 GB as 1024 MB, while manufacturers calculate 1 GB as 1000 MB.

3. Some space on the drive may be in use by a manufacturer recovery partition.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


Hello, thanks for that. 465 GB hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, 2.2 GHZ processor. So I'll try a reset.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 11:08 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Of course, a machine which barely meets the minimum requirements does not usually allow much leeway. Even if your system meets the minimum requirements, that does not necessarily mean it will be able to run Windows 10 smoothly.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



How do I find out the latter?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



If something is causing instability, then possibly. If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?



Sent from my iPhone 5S



On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:





Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th. The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29. JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list. But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare. Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing















I don't know. Either something is causing instability or your system's



resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing











OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA



responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't



respond to my right arrow, to move to details.















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing















Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is



consistent.



----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to



ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well. >> > Would



it



help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing















To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU



usage:



1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.



2. Make sure that the



"More details"



button is selected.



3. Navigate to the



"Details"



tab.



4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >> >> a



list



of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different



criteria.



The first header bar is



"Name"



Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the



"CPU"



header bar. Press Enter on the header bar



to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have



clicked



the header bar, review the list again.



The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU



resources. Ignore the very first item labeled



"System Idle Process"



If the



"System Idle Process"



is not the very first item, then click the



"CPU"



header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in



descending



order.



----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,



please?







Sent from a BrailleNote







----- Original Message -----



From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing







You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>

might


give



you



an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to



struggle.



Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another



possibility



is



that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows

10


and



certain applications.



----- Original Message -----



From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing











No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,

but


as



I



say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since



window



eyes



made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and



more,



I



have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the >>

18th,


and



I



got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>

last


thing I



wanted. BUT now?















Sent from a Braille Sense







----- Original Message -----



From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -



freezing















I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is



probably



the



best option. The Reset option means that you would have to



reinstall



all



applications and reconfigure all settings.



----- Original Message -----



From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com



To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM



Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -



freezing











Hello,



Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,

NVDA,


window



eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a



browser loads, all 34 of them struggle.. In other words, I seem

to


be



getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>

laptop


is



unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing

the


worse



delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>

struggle



more



than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will



struggle



more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with,

I


thought



that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the



fact,



that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,



anything



I



could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>

reset,


they



do



no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the >>

windows


10



settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>

lose.


As



well



as which option to choose. Thanks so much!







Sent from a Braille Sense



















































































































































































Re: downloading using internet explorer/how to stop the list of previously downloaded files from showing

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

RE getting rid of previous downloads in the window. I thought I remember seeing a clear queue button or something of the sort.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Carlos
 

The hard drive is most likely 500 GB.  Hard drives are not manufactured in sizes of odd divisions such as 465 GB.  Windows will report less than the total drive capacity for a few reasons.
 
1. Some space is reserved by the file system.
 
2. Windows calculates 1 GB as 1024 MB, while manufacturers calculate 1 GB as 1000 MB.
 
3. Some space on the drive may be in use by a manufacturer recovery partition.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Hello, thanks for that. 465 GB hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, 2.2 GHZ processor. So I'll try a reset.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 11:08 am, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Of course, a machine which barely meets the minimum requirements does not usually allow much leeway.  Even if your system meets the minimum requirements, that does not necessarily mean it will be able to run Windows 10 smoothly.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


How do I find out the latter?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

If something is causing instability, then possibly.  If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:


  Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...
  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



    Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th.  The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29.  JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list.  But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare.  Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.







    Sent from a Braille Sense



    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

    To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

    Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am

    Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







      I don't know.  Either something is causing instability or your system's

      resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.

      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

      To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

      Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM

      Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





OK, I'm trying to look  again, but between either key presses, or NVDA

responding, there's a good minute.  Since I'm writing this, it didn't

respond to my right arrow, to move to details.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







Possibly.  10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is

consistent.

----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to

ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well.  >> > Would

it

help  if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU

usage:

1.  Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.

2.  Make sure that the

"More details"

button is selected.

3.  Navigate to the

"Details"

tab.

4.  If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >> >> a

list

of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different

criteria.

The first header bar is

"Name"

Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the

"CPU"

header bar.  Press Enter on the header bar

to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage.  After you have

clicked

the header bar, review the list again.

The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU

resources.  Ignore the very first item labeled

"System Idle Process"

If the

"System Idle Process"

is not the very first item, then click the

"CPU"

header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in

descending

order.

----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,

please?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing



You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>
> might

give

you

an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to

struggle.

Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another

possibility

is

that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows
>> > 10

and

certain applications.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing





No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
>> > but

as

I

say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since

window

eyes

made it slightly better.  But now that I want to use it more and

more,

I

have to solve it.  System restores only go back as far as the >>
> 18th,

and

I

got this thing in July.  LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>
> last

thing I

wanted.  BUT now?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing







I assume this is a recent problem?  If so, System Restore is

probably

the

best option.  The Reset option means that you would have to

reinstall

all

applications and reconfigure all settings.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hello,

Sorry for the confusing subject.  So, whether that be fireFox,
>> > NVDA,

window

eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a

browser loads, all 34 of them struggle.  In other words, I seem
>> > to

be

getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>
> laptop

is

unusable.  If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing
>> > the

worse

delays, but not together.  If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>
struggle

more

than firefox and window eyes.  But if I have fireFox, that will

struggle

more than IE, regardless of which screen reader.  To start with,
>> > I

thought

that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the

fact,

that it's the laptop.  Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,

anything

I

could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>
> reset,

they

do

no good.  Was thinking of resetting the laptop  through the >>
> windows

10

settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>
> lose.

As

well

as which option to choose.  Thanks so much!



Sent from a Braille Sense



























































































Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello, thanks for that. 465 GB hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, 2.2 GHZ processor. So I'll try a reset.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 11:08 am, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Of course, a machine which barely meets the minimum requirements does not usually allow much leeway.  Even if your system meets the minimum requirements, that does not necessarily mean it will be able to run Windows 10 smoothly.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


How do I find out the latter?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

If something is causing instability, then possibly.  If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:


  Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...
  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



    Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th.  The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29.  JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list.  But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare.  Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.







    Sent from a Braille Sense



    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

    To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

    Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am

    Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







      I don't know.  Either something is causing instability or your system's

      resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.

      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

      To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

      Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM

      Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





OK, I'm trying to look  again, but between either key presses, or NVDA

responding, there's a good minute.  Since I'm writing this, it didn't

respond to my right arrow, to move to details.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







Possibly.  10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is

consistent.

----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to

ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well.  >> > Would

it

help  if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU

usage:

1.  Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.

2.  Make sure that the

"More details"

button is selected.

3.  Navigate to the

"Details"

tab.

4.  If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >> >> a

list

of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different

criteria.

The first header bar is

"Name"

Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the

"CPU"

header bar.  Press Enter on the header bar

to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage.  After you have

clicked

the header bar, review the list again.

The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU

resources.  Ignore the very first item labeled

"System Idle Process"

If the

"System Idle Process"

is not the very first item, then click the

"CPU"

header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in

descending

order.

----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,

please?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing



You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>
> might

give

you

an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to

struggle.

Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another

possibility

is

that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows
>> > 10

and

certain applications.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing





No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
>> > but

as

I

say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since

window

eyes

made it slightly better.  But now that I want to use it more and

more,

I

have to solve it.  System restores only go back as far as the >>
> 18th,

and

I

got this thing in July.  LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>
> last

thing I

wanted.  BUT now?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing







I assume this is a recent problem?  If so, System Restore is

probably

the

best option.  The Reset option means that you would have to

reinstall

all

applications and reconfigure all settings.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hello,

Sorry for the confusing subject.  So, whether that be fireFox,
>> > NVDA,

window

eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a

browser loads, all 34 of them struggle.  In other words, I seem
>> > to

be

getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>
> laptop

is

unusable.  If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing
>> > the

worse

delays, but not together.  If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>
struggle

more

than firefox and window eyes.  But if I have fireFox, that will

struggle

more than IE, regardless of which screen reader.  To start with,
>> > I

thought

that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the

fact,

that it's the laptop.  Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,

anything

I

could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>
> reset,

they

do

no good.  Was thinking of resetting the laptop  through the >>
> windows

10

settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>
> lose.

As

well

as which option to choose.  Thanks so much!



Sent from a Braille Sense



























































































Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Carlos
 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Of course, a machine which barely meets the minimum requirements does not usually allow much leeway. Even if your system meets the minimum requirements, that does not necessarily mean it will be able to run Windows 10 smoothly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


How do I find out the latter?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

If something is causing instability, then possibly. If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th. The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29. JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list. But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare. Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







I don't know. Either something is causing instability or your system's

resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA

responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't

respond to my right arrow, to move to details.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is

consistent.

----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to

ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well. >> > Would

it

help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU

usage:

1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.

2. Make sure that the

"More details"

button is selected.

3. Navigate to the

"Details"

tab.

4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >> >> a

list

of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different

criteria.

The first header bar is

"Name"

Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the

"CPU"

header bar. Press Enter on the header bar

to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have

clicked

the header bar, review the list again.

The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU

resources. Ignore the very first item labeled

"System Idle Process"

If the

"System Idle Process"

is not the very first item, then click the

"CPU"

header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in

descending

order.

----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,

please?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing



You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>
might
give

you

an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to

struggle.

Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another

possibility

is

that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows
10
and

certain applications.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing





No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
but
as

I

say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since

window

eyes

made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and

more,

I

have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the >>
18th,
and

I

got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>
last
thing I

wanted. BUT now?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing







I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is

probably

the

best option. The Reset option means that you would have to

reinstall

all

applications and reconfigure all settings.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hello,

Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,
NVDA,
window

eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a

browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem
to
be

getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>
laptop
is

unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing
the
worse

delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>
struggle
more

than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will

struggle

more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with,
I
thought

that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the

fact,

that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,

anything

I

could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>
reset,
they

do

no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the >>
windows
10

settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>
lose.
As

well

as which option to choose. Thanks so much!



Sent from a Braille Sense























































































Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi, NVDA worked with outlook, while I've used it, interesting.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@outlook.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 00:07:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Jaws delays like what you described, only in outlook, though.
Not sure why I typed that...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA
responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't respond
to my right arrow, to move to details.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is
consistent.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me
to ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well.
Would it help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to
compare?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing



To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU
usage:
1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.
2. Make sure that the
"More details"
button is selected.
3. Navigate to the
"Details"
tab.
4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in
a list of header bars which you can use to sort the list by
different criteria.
The first header bar is
"Name"
Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the "CPU"
header bar. Press Enter on the header bar to sort the list from
highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have clicked the header
bar, review the list again.
The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU
resources. Ignore the very first item labeled "System Idle
Process"
If the
"System Idle Process"
is not the very first item, then click the "CPU"
header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in
descending order.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,
please?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing

You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which
might give you an idea of what process or processes are causing
the system to struggle.
Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another
possibility is that it may simply be struggling with the
combination of Windows 10 and certain applications.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing


No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
but as I say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly
since window eyes made it slightly better. But now that I want
to use it more and more, I have to solve it. System restores
only go back as far as the 18th, and I got this thing in July.
LOL, when I got it, browsing was the last thing I wanted. BUT
now?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing



I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is
probably the best option. The Reset option means that you would
have to reinstall all applications and reconfigure all settings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,
NVDA, window eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which
combination, once a browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In
other words, I seem to be getting real serious delays, almost at
the point, where the laptop is unusable. If I can guess, NVDA
and fireFox seem to be causing the worse delays, but not
together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more than
firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will
struggle more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To
start with, I thought that this was a screen reader issue, but
I'm leading towards the fact, that it's the laptop. Has anyone
seen anything alike? If not, anything I could try? Please note:
firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do no good. Was
thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10
settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't
lose. As well as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Peter Spitz
 

Robin:

 

I haven’t used the software at all, sorry.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Hi Peter,

I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge protector and if you found it to be accessible.

Robin

 

 

From: Peter Spitz

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Robin:

 

This is what I use, got it from Amazon:  APC Battery Backup & Surge Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).

 

It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without needing any help.  For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around though.  While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind friendly.  When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup.  It will also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.

 

Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery in your older UPS, have you considered that too?  Just search the model on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.

 

Good Luck,

 

Peter

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today. Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin

 


Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

How do I find out the latter?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

If something is causing instability, then possibly. If the machine is simply not powerful enough to run Windows 10 smoothly, then no.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing


I sort of have a note of all apps that are on it, that I put on it. Would a complete rewipe solve any of this?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 6 Sep 2016, at 12:42 am, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


Task Manager will continuously update and sort the list based on current CPU usage so yes the position of a particular process can change.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



Is it OK, if tasks move, and never stop? In other words, if I arrow to NVDA.exe, it could be at the list 2nd, 5 second later, 30th. The CPU of NVDA can be anything between 5 and 29. JAWS was also second, but interestingly, found nothing about window eyes on the list. But its hard, as NVDA gives the most descriptions, so the others aren't ever so helpful when trying to compare. Because of that, can't give how much JAWS uses. But JAWS is a demo, so it might be different.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 12:13 am

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing







I don't know. Either something is causing instability or your system's

resources are insufficient to run Windows 10 smoothly.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:59 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing





OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA

responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't

respond to my right arrow, to move to details.







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is

consistent.

----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me >> > to

ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well. >> > Would

it

help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to compare?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing







To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU

usage:

1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.

2. Make sure that the

"More details"

button is selected.

3. Navigate to the

"Details"

tab.

4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in >> >> a

list

of header bars which you can use to sort the list by different

criteria.

The first header bar is

"Name"

Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the

"CPU"

header bar. Press Enter on the header bar

to sort the list from highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have

clicked

the header bar, review the list again.

The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU

resources. Ignore the very first item labeled

"System Idle Process"

If the

"System Idle Process"

is not the very first item, then click the

"CPU"

header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in

descending

order.

----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,

please?



Sent from a BrailleNote



----- Original Message -----

From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing



You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which >>
might
give

you

an idea of what process or processes are causing the system to

struggle.

Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another

possibility

is

that it may simply be struggling with the combination of Windows
10
and

certain applications.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing





No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
but
as

I

say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly since

window

eyes

made it slightly better. But now that I want to use it more and

more,

I

have to solve it. System restores only go back as far as the >>
18th,
and

I

got this thing in July. LOL, when I got it, browsing was the >>
last
thing I

wanted. BUT now?







Sent from a Braille Sense



----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen >> >> > readers -

freezing







I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is

probably

the

best option. The Reset option means that you would have to

reinstall

all

applications and reconfigure all settings.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com

To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -

freezing





Hello,

Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,
NVDA,
window

eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which combination, once >> >> > a

browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In other words, I seem
to
be

getting real serious delays, almost at the point, where the >>
laptop
is

unusable. If I can guess, NVDA and fireFox seem to be causing
the
worse

delays, but not together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will >> >>
struggle
more

than firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will

struggle

more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To start with,
I
thought

that this was a screen reader issue, but I'm leading towards the

fact,

that it's the laptop. Has anyone seen anything alike? If not,

anything

I

could try? Please note: firefox was installed by me, IE got >>
reset,
they

do

no good. Was thinking of resetting the laptop through the >>
windows
10

settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't >>
lose.
As

well

as which option to choose. Thanks so much!



Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
No worries it's easy to lose track of a detail from time to time I do it daily (smile). I hope that helps. It is a good dependable unit and it's served me and my equipment well for many years and even shielded it from a major power surge courtesy of a fallen neighborhood tree that took out part of my alarm system and a neighbor's kitchen but pc related equipment survived unscathed (smile).
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 1:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Thanks for letting me know. My apology I did not read all the messages
in this thread.

On 9/5/2016 10:14 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
sorry I thought I'd mentioned that the one I was using was the APC
Be750g Battery Backup Surge Protector and that is in fact what I
purchased once again. Since Peter's comes from the same series I thought
perhaps he'd given its accompanying software a play. It allows you to
automate the process of shutting down your pc if the unit is connected
to it via USB so should you not be present during a power outage your
machine could still shut down safely. When my new unit arrives I'll
explore the software for myself just to see what I can find. I hope this
helps.
Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin,
Hope you are fine also.
Could you let us know what UPS you used? Maybe you could get a newer, or
an upgraded model from the same company?
Just an idea.

On 9/5/2016 9:58 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi Peter,
I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge
protector and if you found it to be accessible.
Robin


*From:* Peter Spitz
*Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply
units


Robin:



This is what I use, got it from Amazon: APC Battery Backup & Surge
Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).



It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The
reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without
needing any help. For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover
that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around
though. While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have
a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind
friendly. When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about
every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup. It will
also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.



Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery
in your older UPS, have you considered that too? Just search the model
on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.



Good Luck,



Peter



*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units



Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power
supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life
I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they
were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected
before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what
the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin








Re: Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

Kimsan
 

Jaws delays like what you described, only in outlook, though.
Not sure why I typed that...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing

OK, I'm trying to look again, but between either key presses, or NVDA
responding, there's a good minute. Since I'm writing this, it didn't respond
to my right arrow, to move to details.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers - freezing



Possibly. 10% usage is rather high for NVDA, especially if it is
consistent.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


OK, NVDA is at third place with 10%, the first is what you told me
to ignore, second is Taskmjr.NVDAIDS or whatever, with 10%, as well.
Would it help if I opened a browser, and or other screen readers to
compare?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing



To view the list of processes and sort them by order of highest CPU
usage:
1. Open Task Manager with Control Shift Escape.
2. Make sure that the
"More details"
button is selected.
3. Navigate to the
"Details"
tab.
4. If you tab once after the list of processes, you will wind up in
a list of header bars which you can use to sort the list by
different criteria.
The first header bar is
"Name"
Press the Right Arrow key a few times and you will find the "CPU"
header bar. Press Enter on the header bar to sort the list from
highest to lowest CPU usage. After you have clicked the header
bar, review the list again.
The item at the top will be the one using the highest amount of CPU
resources. Ignore the very first item labeled "System Idle
Process"
If the
"System Idle Process"
is not the very first item, then click the "CPU"
header bar again to make sure it is sorting the process list in
descending order.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


Hi, how would I go about doing that? Finding out the resources,
please?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:20:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing

You could look in Task Manager and check the CPU usage which
might give you an idea of what process or processes are causing
the system to struggle.
Since we determined that the machine was a bit older, another
possibility is that it may simply be struggling with the
combination of Windows 10 and certain applications.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing


No, unfortunately this is happening ever since I got the laptop,
but as I say, at first, I thought it was NVDA, only, particularly
since window eyes made it slightly better. But now that I want
to use it more and more, I have to solve it. System restores
only go back as far as the 18th, and I got this thing in July.
LOL, when I got it, browsing was the last thing I wanted. BUT
now?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers
- freezing



I assume this is a recent problem? If so, System Restore is
probably the best option. The Reset option means that you would
have to reinstall all applications and reconfigure all settings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10, browsers, and screen readers -
freezing


Hello,
Sorry for the confusing subject. So, whether that be fireFox,
NVDA, window eyes, JAWS, IE11, Narrator, regardless of which
combination, once a browser loads, all 34 of them struggle. In
other words, I seem to be getting real serious delays, almost at
the point, where the laptop is unusable. If I can guess, NVDA
and fireFox seem to be causing the worse delays, but not
together. If I have IE and NVDA, it will struggle more than
firefox and window eyes. But if I have fireFox, that will
struggle more than IE, regardless of which screen reader. To
start with, I thought that this was a screen reader issue, but
I'm leading towards the fact, that it's the laptop. Has anyone
seen anything alike? If not, anything I could try? Please note:
firefox was installed by me, IE got reset, they do no good. Was
thinking of resetting the laptop through the windows 10
settings, but not too sure what I would, and what I wouldn't
lose. As well as which option to choose. Thanks so much!

Sent from a Braille Sense
























Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Thanks for letting me know. My apology I did not read all the messages in this thread.

On 9/5/2016 10:14 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
sorry I thought I'd mentioned that the one I was using was the APC
Be750g Battery Backup Surge Protector and that is in fact what I
purchased once again. Since Peter's comes from the same series I thought
perhaps he'd given its accompanying software a play. It allows you to
automate the process of shutting down your pc if the unit is connected
to it via USB so should you not be present during a power outage your
machine could still shut down safely. When my new unit arrives I'll
explore the software for myself just to see what I can find. I hope this
helps.
Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin,
Hope you are fine also.
Could you let us know what UPS you used? Maybe you could get a newer, or
an upgraded model from the same company?
Just an idea.

On 9/5/2016 9:58 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi Peter,
I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge
protector and if you found it to be accessible.
Robin


*From:* Peter Spitz
*Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply
units


Robin:



This is what I use, got it from Amazon: APC Battery Backup & Surge
Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).



It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The
reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without
needing any help. For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover
that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around
though. While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have
a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind
friendly. When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about
every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup. It will
also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.



Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery
in your older UPS, have you considered that too? Just search the model
on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.



Good Luck,



Peter



*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units



Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power
supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life
I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they
were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected
before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what
the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin







Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
sorry I thought I'd mentioned that the one I was using was the APC Be750g Battery Backup Surge Protector and that is in fact what I purchased once again. Since Peter's comes from the same series I thought perhaps he'd given its accompanying software a play. It allows you to automate the process of shutting down your pc if the unit is connected to it via USB so should you not be present during a power outage your machine could still shut down safely. When my new unit arrives I'll explore the software for myself just to see what I can find. I hope this helps.
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin,
Hope you are fine also.
Could you let us know what UPS you used? Maybe you could get a newer, or
an upgraded model from the same company?
Just an idea.

On 9/5/2016 9:58 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi Peter,
I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge
protector and if you found it to be accessible.
Robin


*From:* Peter Spitz
*Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units


Robin:



This is what I use, got it from Amazon: APC Battery Backup & Surge
Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).



It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The
reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without
needing any help. For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover
that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around
though. While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have
a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind
friendly. When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about
every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup. It will
also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.



Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery
in your older UPS, have you considered that too? Just search the model
on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.



Good Luck,



Peter



*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units



Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power
supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life
I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they
were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected
before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what
the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin




Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Robin,
Hope you are fine also.
Could you let us know what UPS you used? Maybe you could get a newer, or an upgraded model from the same company?
Just an idea.

On 9/5/2016 9:58 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi Peter,
I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge
protector and if you found it to be accessible.
Robin


*From:* Peter Spitz
*Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units


Robin:



This is what I use, got it from Amazon: APC Battery Backup & Surge
Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).



It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The
reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without
needing any help. For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover
that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around
though. While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have
a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind
friendly. When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about
every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup. It will
also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.



Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery
in your older UPS, have you considered that too? Just search the model
on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.



Good Luck,



Peter



*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units



Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power
supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life
I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they
were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected
before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what
the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin




Re: Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

Robin Frost
 

Hi Peter,
I was curious if you’d ever run the accompanying software for the surge protector and if you found it to be accessible.
Robin
 
 

From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units
 

Robin:

 

This is what I use, got it from Amazon:  APC Battery Backup & Surge Protector (BE350G) - 350VA 6-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS).

 

It’s only about $40 now and I’ve had mine for about two years.The reviews will give you a lot of info on how to set up this UPS without needing any help.  For instance, the battery comes with aterminal cover that needs to be removed, it’s pretty obvious when you’re feeling around though.  While it won’t hurt to have sighted help, and I admit I have a13 year old son who helps me out frequently – the unit is pretty blind friendly.  When there is a poweroutage, it will beep four times about every two minutes to remind you that it’s on battery backup.  It will also emit a longer beep when the battery is running down.

 

Did you know that it’s usually very easy simply to replace the battery in your older UPS, have you considered that too?  Just search the model on Amazon and look for a replacement battery.

 

Good Luck,

 

Peter

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Inquiring about Uninterrupted power supply units

 

Hi Everyone,

I hope this finds all happy and well. Since the uninterrupted power supply unit that I’ve had for the past 4 years has now given up its life I was curious what units others were using and how blind friendly they were in terms of setup I.E. making sure battery was properly connected before use as well as interaction once set up. I can’t wait to read what the experiences of others are in terms of that which is available today. Thanks in advance for your help.

Robin

 


Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Carlos
 

If the discussion does get out of hand we'll cut it short.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster Nil8" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, [TechTalk] Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can


Okay, Thanks for the clarification.


On 9/5/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
There hasn't been much argument at this point. Also, the majority of list
members are not subscribed to the chat list and the topic is relevant to the

main list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster Nil8" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was,
[TechTalk] Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can


May I suggest discussions of this sort be pushed to the techtalk+chat
area. These threads are loaded with opinions, conjecture and
arguements that ultimately go nowhere.

Just a suggestion,
Blaster

an

On 9/5/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this
is
our current policy. Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at
the
owner's comment address:
techtalk+owner@groups.io;

It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who
produce
such material. According to a recent article in AFB's Access World,
someone
working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such
sharing
and not one has ever complained. it strains credulity also, that
producers
are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service.

Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of
sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to
allow
occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing
promotion.

We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as
to
the legality of the app. My view is that discussing or debating its
legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of
course,
if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he
wants
the policy changed from my interpretation.

Gene





Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Blaster
 

Okay, Thanks for the clarification.

On 9/5/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
There hasn't been much argument at this point. Also, the majority of list
members are not subscribed to the chat list and the topic is relevant to the

main list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster Nil8" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was,
[TechTalk] Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can


May I suggest discussions of this sort be pushed to the techtalk+chat
area. These threads are loaded with opinions, conjecture and
arguements that ultimately go nowhere.

Just a suggestion,
Blaster

an

On 9/5/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this
is
our current policy. Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at
the
owner's comment address:
techtalk+owner@groups.io;

It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who
produce
such material. According to a recent article in AFB's Access World,
someone
working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such
sharing
and not one has ever complained. it strains credulity also, that
producers
are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service.

Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of
sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to
allow
occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing
promotion.

We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as
to
the legality of the app. My view is that discussing or debating its
legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of
course,
if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he
wants
the policy changed from my interpretation.

Gene





Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Carlos
 

There hasn't been much argument at this point. Also, the majority of list members are not subscribed to the chat list and the topic is relevant to the main list.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster Nil8" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, [TechTalk] Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can


May I suggest discussions of this sort be pushed to the techtalk+chat
area. These threads are loaded with opinions, conjecture and
arguements that ultimately go nowhere.

Just a suggestion,
Blaster

an

On 9/5/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this is
our current policy. Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at the
owner's comment address:
techtalk+owner@groups.io;

It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who produce
such material. According to a recent article in AFB's Access World, someone
working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such sharing
and not one has ever complained. it strains credulity also, that producers
are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service.

Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of
sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to allow
occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing promotion.

We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as to
the legality of the app. My view is that discussing or debating its
legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of course,
if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he wants
the policy changed from my interpretation.

Gene


Re: Admin: current list policy on discussing the beta was, Grab the Sero Beta While You Still Can

Blaster
 

May I suggest discussions of this sort be pushed to the techtalk+chat
area. These threads are loaded with opinions, conjecture and
arguements that ultimately go nowhere.

Just a suggestion,
Blaster

an

On 9/5/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Carlos and I have discussed the question of promoting the beta and this is
our current policy. Those who wish to comment may do so of course, at the
owner's comment address:
techtalk+owner@groups.io;

It appears that a certain amount of sharing is allowed by those who produce
such material. According to a recent article in AFB's Access World, someone
working for Blindy is cited as saying that producers know about such sharing
and not one has ever complained. it strains credulity also, that producers
are not aware of the Blind Mice Mall service.

Since it appears to be the case that producers allow a certain amount of
sharing but since this appears to be a gray area, our compromise is to allow
occasional mention of the Serotek app but not to allow ongoing promotion.

We didn't discuss whether it is alright to have ongoing discussions as to
the legality of the app. My view is that discussing or debating its
legality is alright but that promotion should only be occasional. Of course,
if Carlos disagrees with me, I'm sure he will let the list know if he wants
the policy changed from my interpretation.

Gene

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