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Re: my dell laptop

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean by a low end PC.  I'm not talking about bottom of the line PCs.  I'm saying that moderately priced PCs will meet the majority of users needs and will meet them for years after the computer is bought.  For what most people do, watch movies, play audio or stream audio and movies, browsing, e-mail, work on documents, none of those things take a lot of power.  doing video editing and gaming takes a lot of power but something like a four or five hundred dollar desktop, especially what you would get with a good sale and perhaps a five or six hundred dollar laptop, especially what you would get on sale, would be enough or more than enough for the needs of the majority of users. 
 
Gene
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From: Matt
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

You might be right! Just never bought a low end PC.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I doubt that more expensive computers necessarily last longer than moderately priced ones.  I see no reason to purchase a computer that is much faster than I will conceivably need for my purposes on grounds that it might last longer or that programs become more demanding over time.  I've seen claims of more expensive computers tending to last longer and that computers that are custom made have better components.  I'm skeptical of both claims and I've never seen documentation of these claims in any studies that are properly done to back up such claims.  It sounds largely like endlessly circulating myths to me. 

 

I've seen moderately priced computers fail after five years and I've seen and heard many reports of moderately priced computers lasting for ten years. 

Gene

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Gene

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From: Matt

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:35 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Matt
 

I agree if you are carrying it all over the place. Yes ram and the type of hard drive is usually much more important if you not doing heavy processing stuff.  But in my case I not dragging this thing all over the nation. It will be at home mostly as I never hardly leave home over night. And I don’t take a laptop with me just for a few hours usually I have my iPhone.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

One thing... I would put the shelf life for any laptop to be right at five-seven years. This is for an average individual that bounces the laptop around, puts their machine to daily use, etc etc. Also, laptops are lighter and thinner, and that does not necessarily translate to better... many components are harder to replace, and heat simply put is the death of electronics. Things that help a bit are lower-voltage processors, better materials, better cooling... Still though. I don't see too many laptops that last more than five to seven years. I am saying that knowing that I will get ten responses of people telling me that I am wrong, but this is my experience as a technology trainer and as one that has been working with hardware for years. The reasons I see for maxing out a machine are that your machine will be capable of whatever you want to throw at it for a long time, you won't have to worry about your machine being too slow because of hardware, and for your own happiness and delight in using a machine that flies... reasons against are that the processor is very much over-specked, and more and more is turning to the cloud... cloud-based apps require a reliable internet connection and a good amount of ram to keep multiple tabs open, but a server somewhere is doing much of the heavy lifting. Your computer needs to render that content.

Thanks. I hope this helps out someone.

 

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:35 AM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Matt
 

You might be right! Just never bought a low end PC.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I doubt that more expensive computers necessarily last longer than moderately priced ones.  I see no reason to purchase a computer that is much faster than I will conceivably need for my purposes on grounds that it might last longer or that programs become more demanding over time.  I've seen claims of more expensive computers tending to last longer and that computers that are custom made have better components.  I'm skeptical of both claims and I've never seen documentation of these claims in any studies that are properly done to back up such claims.  It sounds largely like endlessly circulating myths to me. 

 

I've seen moderately priced computers fail after five years and I've seen and heard many reports of moderately priced computers lasting for ten years. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:35 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Matt
 

Very true it would be on its last legs! I also said around 10 years more than likely closer to 8 years. It just depends on how you use it and treat it . In my case I not going to be doing a lot of traveling with it it is just going to be here at the house. Mostly as a2nd PC that is windows PC  I hardly go any where . I mostly at the house and if I went somewhere I would not take it unless I was staying overnight or several days.  Which more than likely would be if I went in the hospital or something like that . Which I don’t plan on no time soon.  It will mostly be a 2ndPC unless it out performs my desktop then it might become my 1st PC and the desktop the backup.  But I have every good desktop by dell with quad core processer and 12 GB ram and dedicated graphic card with 2GB of ram and a standard 750 rpm HD that is 750 GB in size.

The laptop has a SD and 16 GB of ram  and suppose to have a I7 quad core processer but this is yet to be seen when I get it .  It is sounding like more like a dual core with 4 threads from what I can tell from intel. But that is not what they said they said quad core processer . Unless they are saying the 4 threads is the quad .

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I tend to agree.  A laptop might possibly last 10 years, but it will most likely be on it's last legs those final 3 to 4 years.  There are simply too many things which can go wrong during a decade of constant use.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

One thing... I would put the shelf life for any laptop to be right at five-seven years. This is for an average individual that bounces the laptop around, puts their machine to daily use, etc etc. Also, laptops are lighter and thinner, and that does not necessarily translate to better... many components are harder to replace, and heat simply put is the death of electronics. Things that help a bit are lower-voltage processors, better materials, better cooling... Still though. I don't see too many laptops that last more than five to seven years. I am saying that knowing that I will get ten responses of people telling me that I am wrong, but this is my experience as a technology trainer and as one that has been working with hardware for years. The reasons I see for maxing out a machine are that your machine will be capable of whatever you want to throw at it for a long time, you won't have to worry about your machine being too slow because of hardware, and for your own happiness and delight in using a machine that flies... reasons against are that the processor is very much over-specked, and more and more is turning to the cloud... cloud-based apps require a reliable internet connection and a good amount of ram to keep multiple tabs open, but a server somewhere is doing much of the heavy lifting. Your computer needs to render that content.

Thanks. I hope this helps out someone.

 

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:35 AM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Phew. This laptop I have I just purchased back in March of this year.

We will be riding together until 2026 at the latest according to the geek squad responses below. Just kidding. .

I wonder where assistive technology will be by then lol.

Maybe I’ll have a driverless tractor in 10 years.

Or maybe I will just go back to braille, as I might be completely deaf in 10 years lol.

Sorry for wasting everyone time with this response, but seriously good info/opinions below.

 

Respectfully,

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I tend to agree.  A laptop might possibly last 10 years, but it will most likely be on it's last legs those final 3 to 4 years.  There are simply too many things which can go wrong during a decade of constant use.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

One thing... I would put the shelf life for any laptop to be right at five-seven years. This is for an average individual that bounces the laptop around, puts their machine to daily use, etc etc. Also, laptops are lighter and thinner, and that does not necessarily translate to better... many components are harder to replace, and heat simply put is the death of electronics. Things that help a bit are lower-voltage processors, better materials, better cooling... Still though. I don't see too many laptops that last more than five to seven years. I am saying that knowing that I will get ten responses of people telling me that I am wrong, but this is my experience as a technology trainer and as one that has been working with hardware for years. The reasons I see for maxing out a machine are that your machine will be capable of whatever you want to throw at it for a long time, you won't have to worry about your machine being too slow because of hardware, and for your own happiness and delight in using a machine that flies... reasons against are that the processor is very much over-specked, and more and more is turning to the cloud... cloud-based apps require a reliable internet connection and a good amount of ram to keep multiple tabs open, but a server somewhere is doing much of the heavy lifting. Your computer needs to render that content.

Thanks. I hope this helps out someone.

 

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:35 AM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: make portable software using the yaP

Carlos
 


This is quickly turning into a tutorial Ding.  You have to at least change the name of the application's main executable.  This will allow the renamed copy of yaP.exe in the folder root to start the program.  However, if you truly want the application to be portable, you may then have to add registry entries to be moved/copied/deleted when the program starts and closes.  You may also have to do the same for files and folders created by the application in the current user profile.  And the same for any required dependencies which might not be installed on other systems by default.  As I said, it all depends on the application.  If the above all sounds like Japanese, then I can't help much more without wearing out my poor fingers.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Hi. Can you tell me what I should fill or change in the ini file when I making the portable software. This is because I don't understand and know what should I change in that file by looking at the example given. Thanks. 

Regards, 
Ding Teck Song  


On 22 Dec 2016, at 5:46 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

It partially depends on the application.  Some applications have either very few or no dependencies so are naturally quite portable without the need to invest much effort, but otherwise not really.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Ok,thanks. Actually, I don't really understand most of the concept but, i'll try to do it. Just want to ask, is it any easy way to make the portable software that not required us to understand the concepts? Thanks.

Regards, 
Ding Teck Song  


On 22 Dec 2016, at 4:37 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

No, step one is referring to the fact that you need a copy of the application files.  It is basically saying that you can either extract them from the installer using a program such as Universal Extractor.
If Universal Extractor does not support the installer being used to package the application, you will have to install it on your system so you can copy the files into the folder you created.  Or just copy them if you already have the application installed.
 
Step 4 is indicating that you should edit the INI file created in step 3.  Examples are given on the website.
 
Step 5 means that you should run the copy of yaP.exe which you copied into the folder you created and renamed to MyAppPortable.exe in step 2 after you are done configuring the INI file.  Of course, in all of these steps you should replace MyApp with the name of the application you are trying to make portable.
 
Just be aware that some applications are much more difficult to make portable than others.  The more dependencies and registry entries are associated with an application, the more difficult it will be to make it portable.  If an application has enough dependencies, it may not even be worth the effort to try making it portable.  Note that while I never discourage anyone from using  advanced software, you will generally continue to struggle until you grasp certain concepts associated with it's usage.  yaP is moderately advanced software which assumes that you know what you are doing and are already familiar with concepts being discussed.  If you do not understand most of the instructions, then you may not be quite ready to use such software and take full advantage of it's capabilities.  I don't mind answering specific questions within reason, but I am not willing to provide enough explanation that it essentially turns into a tutorial.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

I don’t understand the step 4 and 5. Please explain to me. Another one, in the step 1, is it I need to put the installer for the software in the folder that I created? Thanks.

Regards,

Ding Teck Song

Student ID : BIT16010    

E-mail : tecksong98@...

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Which part of the instructions are you having a problem understanding?

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:58 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Dear all,

Hi. I would like to ask you all how to use the yaP to make portable software from the installer provided. I found the instruction from the website where I download the yaP but, I don’t understand what it means and I don’t know how to make the portable software with it. Please help me. Here I include the instruction that I found. Please explain to me. thanks.

Follow these steps to create a new yaP launcher:

1.

Create a new directory ( MyApp ) and put application's files to a subdirectory (e.g MyApp\App ).

Use Universal Extractor to get application files if it is an installer or install & uninstall if other methods fail.

2.

Copy yaP.exe to MyApp directory and rename it to a custom name (eg. MyAppPortable.exe ).

3.

Run MyAppPortable.exe and click Ok to generate a new yaP settings file ( MyAppPortable.ini ).

4.

Edit MyAppPortable.ini and fill the necessary fields.

• add main application's exe path (eg. application = App\MyAppName.exe )

• list files, directories, registry keys or values to portablize

Refer to the configuration section for ini syntax or check the examples for ready-made configurations.

5. Run MyAppPortable.exe

Note: if your portable needs advanced logic you can execute custom batch files with yaP.

Thank you. Have a nice day.

Regards,

Ding Teck Song

E-mail : tecksong98@...


Re: my dell laptop

Carlos
 


I tend to agree.  A laptop might possibly last 10 years, but it will most likely be on it's last legs those final 3 to 4 years.  There are simply too many things which can go wrong during a decade of constant use.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

One thing... I would put the shelf life for any laptop to be right at five-seven years. This is for an average individual that bounces the laptop around, puts their machine to daily use, etc etc. Also, laptops are lighter and thinner, and that does not necessarily translate to better... many components are harder to replace, and heat simply put is the death of electronics. Things that help a bit are lower-voltage processors, better materials, better cooling... Still though. I don't see too many laptops that last more than five to seven years. I am saying that knowing that I will get ten responses of people telling me that I am wrong, but this is my experience as a technology trainer and as one that has been working with hardware for years. The reasons I see for maxing out a machine are that your machine will be capable of whatever you want to throw at it for a long time, you won't have to worry about your machine being too slow because of hardware, and for your own happiness and delight in using a machine that flies... reasons against are that the processor is very much over-specked, and more and more is turning to the cloud... cloud-based apps require a reliable internet connection and a good amount of ram to keep multiple tabs open, but a server somewhere is doing much of the heavy lifting. Your computer needs to render that content.

Thanks. I hope this helps out someone.

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:35 AM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Gene
 

I doubt that more expensive computers necessarily last longer than moderately priced ones.  I see no reason to purchase a computer that is much faster than I will conceivably need for my purposes on grounds that it might last longer or that programs become more demanding over time.  I've seen claims of more expensive computers tending to last longer and that computers that are custom made have better components.  I'm skeptical of both claims and I've never seen documentation of these claims in any studies that are properly done to back up such claims.  It sounds largely like endlessly circulating myths to me. 
 
I've seen moderately priced computers fail after five years and I've seen and heard many reports of moderately priced computers lasting for ten years. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Nimer Jaber
 

One thing... I would put the shelf life for any laptop to be right at five-seven years. This is for an average individual that bounces the laptop around, puts their machine to daily use, etc etc. Also, laptops are lighter and thinner, and that does not necessarily translate to better... many components are harder to replace, and heat simply put is the death of electronics. Things that help a bit are lower-voltage processors, better materials, better cooling... Still though. I don't see too many laptops that last more than five to seven years. I am saying that knowing that I will get ten responses of people telling me that I am wrong, but this is my experience as a technology trainer and as one that has been working with hardware for years. The reasons I see for maxing out a machine are that your machine will be capable of whatever you want to throw at it for a long time, you won't have to worry about your machine being too slow because of hardware, and for your own happiness and delight in using a machine that flies... reasons against are that the processor is very much over-specked, and more and more is turning to the cloud... cloud-based apps require a reliable internet connection and a good amount of ram to keep multiple tabs open, but a server somewhere is doing much of the heavy lifting. Your computer needs to render that content.

Thanks. I hope this helps out someone.


On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:35 AM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
> criticizing you for your choice of a machine.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an
>> over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
>> I
>> could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
>> to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
>> home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going
>> from 512 GB SD to aa
>> 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
>> as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
>> difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.
>>
>> It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
>> it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
>> would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
>> will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old
>> 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
>> storage.
>>
>> So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
>> computers for the blind and let them worry about it.
>>
>> So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
>> This new laptop.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
>> me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.
>>
>> Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
>> hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
>> therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
>> quad-core processors.
>> For
>> the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
>> quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
>> scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
>> but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
>> request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
>> demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
>> and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
>> take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
>> faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
>> spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
>> most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
>> not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
>> version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
>> don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
>> because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
>> most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
>> mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
>> hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
>> with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
>> it with the right model.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
>> is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
>> whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
>> why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
>> is not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Gregory
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
>> which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
>> notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
>> referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
>> what the processor actually is when you receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
>> Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
>> assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
>> know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I
>> know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
>> but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
>> boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
>> usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
>> were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
>> any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
>> I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
>> hyperthreads.
>>
>>
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
>> suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
>> core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
>> Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way
>> that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
>> processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
>> Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
>> doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in .
>> Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
>> processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
>> This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to
>> chime in on this Carlos?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
>> that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be
>> customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
>> order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
>> going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
>> They told me it would be a quad core processer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
>> of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is
>> surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
>> processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
>> Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
>> and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
>> 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the
>> Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core
>> processer I 7
>> 7
>> th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
>> color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
>> without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
>> processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom
>> made to my specs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7
>> 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.
>>
>> my source is:
>>
>>
>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
>> eview.181471.0.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you
>> might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
>> it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
>> keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
>> I
>> use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro
>> 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
>> Otherwise I would have got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
>> know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
>> days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
>> the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
>> Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I 7 7th gen Quad core.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
>> chipset came in this machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
>> Seems a bit optimistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Monte
>>
>> *From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> <main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> *Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.
>>
>> It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
>> 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
>> hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a
>> backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
>> desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
>> Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
>> with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
>> on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
>> Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .
>>
>> BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: my dell laptop

Matt
 

Well yes I see either getting a much less PC and replacing it every 2 or 3 years or getting one spec out mostly and not have to worry usually for about a decade. Either way it comes out about the same somewhere around 150 to 200 a year . my 2 gran laptop if it goes 10 years that is 200 bucks a year. If I bought a 600 buck PC and it last 3 years it is about the same price per year.
the

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
criticizing you for your choice of a machine.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow. Yes it was an
over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
I
could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down
to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10
home instead of Pro. I could have save d even more money by going
from 512 GB SD to aa
250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade
as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real
difference. Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.

It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and
it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I
would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but
will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system. It has an old
7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of
storage.

So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
computers for the blind and let them worry about it.

So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
This new laptop.

I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.



Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM


*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives
me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.

Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are
hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores,
therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have
quad-core processors.
For
the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the
scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores,
but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not
request them because they are over-kill for all but the most
demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM,
and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would
take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer,
faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a
spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will
most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am
not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ
version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we
don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find
because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for
most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not
mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So,
hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy
with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace
it with the right model.

Thanks.



On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it
is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or
whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand
why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it
is not.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *John Gregory


*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM


*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Hi Matt,



The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U,
which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new
notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are
referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know
what the processor actually is when you receive it.



http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U



John.





*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?
Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I
assume. I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t
know why they would say quad core when it is dual core. I guess I
know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me
.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



OK Matt,



The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core,
but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo
boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they
usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it
were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of
any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so
I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4
hyperthreads.



John.



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I
suppose to get. Now something come to mind . they are saying quad
core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers.
Each core having two processers on each core. I guess in one way
that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad
processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better?
Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are
doing something intense and then the other processers kick in .
Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1
processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core.
This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know. You want to
chime in on this Carlos?





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi

That is nice. Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.



On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:

Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said
that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen . It had to be
customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the
order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be
going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.
They told me it would be a quad core processer.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi,

The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both
of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz. It is
surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can
and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.



On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:

Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7
7th gen processer it is not standard built! They do make it with the
Dual core processer. Which is standard built. My has the quad core
processer I 7
7
th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and
without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core
processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it. But it was custom
made to my specs.







Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi,

are you sure it has a quad core? From what I can see, it has an i7
7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.

my source is:


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-R
eview.181471.0.html



On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:

I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360 so you
might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of
it and get a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external
keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
I
use them when I have no other choice. I really wanted a surface pro
4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.
Otherwise I would have got it.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these
days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on
the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch
Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.



*From:* Matt

*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM

*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



I 7 7th gen Quad core.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
chipset came in this machine?



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
Seems a bit optimistic.



Good luck,

Monte

*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.

It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to
3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I
hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more. I needed a
backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my
desktop so I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a
Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD
with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of
on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so.
Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .

BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.







Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...











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Ding Teck Song
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Facebook

Dear all,
Hi. How I can change my e-mail address that I sign in with my Facebook
account before?
Thank you. Have a nice day.

Regards,
Ding Teck Song


Re: make portable software using the yaP

Ding Teck Song <tecksong98@...>
 

Hi. Can you tell me what I should fill or change in the ini file when I making the portable software. This is because I don't understand and know what should I change in that file by looking at the example given. Thanks. 

Regards, 
Ding Teck Song  


On 22 Dec 2016, at 5:46 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

It partially depends on the application.  Some applications have either very few or no dependencies so are naturally quite portable without the need to invest much effort, but otherwise not really.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Ok,thanks. Actually, I don't really understand most of the concept but, i'll try to do it. Just want to ask, is it any easy way to make the portable software that not required us to understand the concepts? Thanks.

Regards, 
Ding Teck Song  


On 22 Dec 2016, at 4:37 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

No, step one is referring to the fact that you need a copy of the application files.  It is basically saying that you can either extract them from the installer using a program such as Universal Extractor.
If Universal Extractor does not support the installer being used to package the application, you will have to install it on your system so you can copy the files into the folder you created.  Or just copy them if you already have the application installed.
 
Step 4 is indicating that you should edit the INI file created in step 3.  Examples are given on the website.
 
Step 5 means that you should run the copy of yaP.exe which you copied into the folder you created and renamed to MyAppPortable.exe in step 2 after you are done configuring the INI file.  Of course, in all of these steps you should replace MyApp with the name of the application you are trying to make portable.
 
Just be aware that some applications are much more difficult to make portable than others.  The more dependencies and registry entries are associated with an application, the more difficult it will be to make it portable.  If an application has enough dependencies, it may not even be worth the effort to try making it portable.  Note that while I never discourage anyone from using  advanced software, you will generally continue to struggle until you grasp certain concepts associated with it's usage.  yaP is moderately advanced software which assumes that you know what you are doing and are already familiar with concepts being discussed.  If you do not understand most of the instructions, then you may not be quite ready to use such software and take full advantage of it's capabilities.  I don't mind answering specific questions within reason, but I am not willing to provide enough explanation that it essentially turns into a tutorial.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

I don’t understand the step 4 and 5. Please explain to me. Another one, in the step 1, is it I need to put the installer for the software in the folder that I created? Thanks.

Regards,

Ding Teck Song

Student ID : BIT16010    

E-mail : tecksong98@...

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Which part of the instructions are you having a problem understanding?

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:58 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] make portable software using the yaP

Dear all,

Hi. I would like to ask you all how to use the yaP to make portable software from the installer provided. I found the instruction from the website where I download the yaP but, I don’t understand what it means and I don’t know how to make the portable software with it. Please help me. Here I include the instruction that I found. Please explain to me. thanks.

Follow these steps to create a new yaP launcher:

1.

Create a new directory ( MyApp ) and put application's files to a subdirectory (e.g MyApp\App ).

Use Universal Extractor to get application files if it is an installer or install & uninstall if other methods fail.

2.

Copy yaP.exe to MyApp directory and rename it to a custom name (eg. MyAppPortable.exe ).

3.

Run MyAppPortable.exe and click Ok to generate a new yaP settings file ( MyAppPortable.ini ).

4.

Edit MyAppPortable.ini and fill the necessary fields.

• add main application's exe path (eg. application = App\MyAppName.exe )

• list files, directories, registry keys or values to portablize

Refer to the configuration section for ini syntax or check the examples for ready-made configurations.

5. Run MyAppPortable.exe

Note: if your portable needs advanced logic you can execute custom batch files with yaP.

Thank you. Have a nice day.

Regards,

Ding Teck Song

E-mail : tecksong98@...


Re: my dell laptop

Lenron
 

I would rather speck out my machine and not have to worry about it for
a while. So good luck hope you enjoy the new purchase. I am planning
on upgrading myself pretty soon. My old laptop is going on 5 years old
and getting a bit slow. If I knew then what I do now I would have
gotten a better computer at the time.

On 12/22/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not
criticizing you for your choice of a machine.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow. Yes it was an over
kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.
I
could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down to a
dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10 home
instead
of Pro. I could have save d even more money by going from 512 GB SD to
aa
250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade as
that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real difference. Or
the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.

It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and it
is
not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I would have
to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but will take up to 4
GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system. It has an old 7200 rpm HD and it is I
think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of storage.

So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the
computers for the blind and let them worry about it.

So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade.
This new laptop.

I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.



Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Nimer Jaber
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM


*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives me
a
headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.

Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are hyper-threaded
or
not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores, therefore being
dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have quad-core processors.
For
the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the
quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the scope of
this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores, but they are
more expensive and high-end, and most users do not request them because
they are over-kill for all but the most demanding of tasks. More
important
is the speed and amount of RAM, and the speed of the read/write speeds of
the hard drive... I would take a lower-specked processor with more faster
ram and a newer, faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with
less ram and a spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7
quad-core, he will most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700
HQ, as I am not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the
HQ
version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we don't
know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find because
they
are not as advertised because they are over-kill for most users, and the
battery life is not as good... but this does not mean that they cannot be
found, or that they cannot be ordered. So, hopefully he receives the I7
HQ
processor, and hopefully he is happy with his purchase. if not, he can
contact Dell and they can replace it with the right model.

Thanks.



On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it is a
quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or whatever the
hell
is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand why they call it quad
core? This is unlike dell to say something it is not.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *John Gregory


*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM


*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Hi Matt,



The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U, which
is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new notebook is
3.5GHz,
I don’t know what it is, unless they are referring to the max CPU speed
under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know what the processor actually is
when
you receive it.



http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U



John.





*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:58
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores? Wouldn’t
that be a quad processer which would be about the same I assume. I did
ask
if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t know why they would say
quad core when it is dual core. I guess I know for sure Friday. When I
look at about this PC it should tell me .





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *John Gregory
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



OK Matt,



The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core, but
have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo boost to
increase processing power when required, that is why they usually
describe
the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it were a true quad core
it
would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of any laptop/notebook that
incorporates a true quad core processor, so I am guessing that your new
Dell is dual core, but with 4 hyperthreads.



John.



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* 22 December 2016 23:15
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I suppose
to
get. Now something come to mind . they are saying quad core . I just
wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers. Each core having
two processers on each core. I guess in one way that could be called a
quad core . I would have called it quad processers . I assume if it is it
would be just as good or better? Either way you usually don’t use but two
processers unless you are doing something intense and then the other
processers kick in . Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4
cores with 1 processer on each core or two cores with two processers on
each core. This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know. You want
to
chime in on this Carlos?





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi

That is nice. Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.



On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:

Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said that
would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen . It had to be customize to
that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the order over the
phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be going back! Not
paying
that kind of money for a dual core processer. They told me it would be a
quad core processer.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi,

The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both of
which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz. It is
surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U)
processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.
Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can and
get
an HQ processor when I need a new one.



On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:

Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7 7th
gen processer it is not standard built! They do make it with the Dual
core
processer. Which is standard built. My has the quad core processer I 7
7
th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in
color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and without
the
touch screen the one without max out with a duel core processer. I also
got
the 2 year warranty with it. But it was custom made to my specs.







Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



hi,

are you sure it has a quad core? From what I can see, it has an i7 7500
U
processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.

my source is:


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-Review.181471.0.html



On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:

I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360 so you might
could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of it and get
a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external keyboard most of
the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards .
I
use them when I have no other choice. I really wanted a surface pro 4
but
what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it. Otherwise I
would have got it.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Marie
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I
know
that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these days. I
do
have one question. does the laptop have a context key on the right of the
space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch Toshiba has those keys
and I find it so much faster to use.



*From:* Matt

*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM

*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



I 7 7th gen Quad core.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Smiling?
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which
chipset
came in this machine?



*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Monte Single
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?
Seems a bit optimistic.



Good luck,

Monte

*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Matt
*Sent:* December-22-16 2:22 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] my dell laptop



Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.

It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to 3.5
GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I hope t
to
get around a decade out of this if not more. I needed a backup windows
pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my desktop so I might end
up
making this my main PC. My desktop is a Dell XPS with Quad core processer
and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD with a storage of 750 GB. And a
dedicated
graphic card with 2 GB of on board memory. I have had this desktop for
about 6 years or so. Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .

BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.







Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...










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Ding Teck Song <tecksong98@...>
 

Dear all,
Hi. How I can change my e-mail address that I sign in with my Facebook account before?
Thank you. Have a nice day.

Regards,
Ding Teck Song


Re: disabling the mouse drivers

Carlos
 

Yes. A mouse that can function with generic USB drivers should usually work, which is probably most of them. At least for basic functionality.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


This is going to be a real stupid question in response to the uninstalling
the mouse driver. If he uninstalls the mouse driver, if the sighted enhanced
person has an external mouse will it still work as it relates to assisting
him?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

Calm down punk. I wasn't criticizing. I was just clarifying and providing
additional information.

You might need it when asking for assistance from a technician or just
anyone sighted in general since they tend to rely much more heavily on the
mouse/touch pad for navigation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


I was just trying to help... lol

If he's the only one using the comp, when would it be needed?
Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

the problem with uninstalling it is that Windows will usually
reinstall the drivers on the next reboot. Even if it can only find a
generic driver. I vaguely remember that there may be a way to prevent
it from doing so, but I can't recall the details at the moment.
Besides, you might need it at some point.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Rajmund,

Maybe the fn key with one of the function keys will disable the mouse?

Or why don't you just remove it.
Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

Yes some devices do not have the "Disable" option.
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From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Hi Mike,
Yep, windows-x, device manager, tab once, get to mouse, expand it,
down arrow to the driver, context menu key (if applicable) and
disable. But no disable option here.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:36 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Hi Rajmund,

Go to the Device Manager via the control panel. Or, try Windows
key
+ Pause key, then tab to, Device Manager, press enter, & tab 1 time
into the Tree Biew. This is how I get there with Windows7, & hope
you can get
there with these steps.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Hi Mike,
If I go through the device manager, from the context menu, is that
the same device manager? Because if yes, there's no disable driver.
It's a Samsung specific, my HP did use the same which Gene has, but
can't recall
it's name right now.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:53 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Hi Rajmund,

Approach 2 - Device Manager

Open the Control Panel, then go to System > Device Manager.
Navigate to
the Mouse Option, right click on it, and click Disable.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Is disabling it through the device manager, the one through
mouse settings, or the one, which you access through windows-x?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:27 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Also, which method in that article did you try? There were
several described and disabling it in Device Manager should
usually work and be retained between reboots.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Look in the system tray for whatever is relevant. I did this a
long time ago on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know if you
will see a specific item for your touch pad or something more
general but I believe you will see something for your touch
pad. Open the item and
look for the relevant setting. that will probably work.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Oh, while I'm at it, any ideas about this one? I can disable
the mouse driver no problem, and I hit apply, and everything,
but the next time I reboot, the driver reactivates. What's
happening here, and more importantly, how do I, for once and
all, stop this crap from
keep reenabling itself? While writing my TB error, I lost focus
3 damn times. This should, according to google, work.
http://www.howtogeek.com/220149/how-do-you-permanently-disable-the-to
u
chpad-
on-a-laptop/
Except that it doesn't, I presume because am on windows 8.1,
latest NVDA. Oh, it's Samsung, already had troubles with the f
keys having unusual functions, so wouldn't be surprised, if
this has a trick, too.

Sent from a Braille Sense




























Re: my dell laptop

Nimer Jaber
 

I definitely understand. I spec out my machines as well. I'm not criticizing you for your choice of a machine.


On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 22:31 Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.  I could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10 home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going from 512 GB SD to aa 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.

It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of storage.

So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the computers for the blind and let them worry about it.

So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade. This new laptop.

I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.

Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores, therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have quad-core processors. For the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores, but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not request them because they are over-kill for all but the most demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM, and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer, faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So, hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace it with the right model.

Thanks.

 

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it is not.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Gregory


Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Hi Matt,

 

The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U, which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know what the processor actually is when you receive it.

 

http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U

 

John.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: 22 December 2016 23:58
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?  Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me .

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Gregory
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

OK Matt,

 

The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core, but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4 hyperthreads.

 

John.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: 22 December 2016 23:15
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers. Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better? Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in . Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1 processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core. This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to chime in on this Carlos?

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi

That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.

 

On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:

Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.  They told me it would be a quad core processer.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi,

The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U) processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.  Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.

 

On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:

Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core processer I 7  7th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom made to my specs.

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi,

are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.

my source is:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-Review.181471.0.html

 

On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:

I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of it and get  a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards . I use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.  Otherwise I would have got it.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.

 

From: Matt

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I 7 7th gen Quad core.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Smiling?
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which chipset came in this machine?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?   Seems a bit optimistic.

 

Good luck,

Monte

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: December-22-16 2:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.

It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so. Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .

BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

 

 

 


Re: disabling the mouse drivers

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

This is going to be a real stupid question in response to the uninstalling
the mouse driver. If he uninstalls the mouse driver, if the sighted enhanced
person has an external mouse will it still work as it relates to assisting
him?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

Calm down punk. I wasn't criticizing. I was just clarifying and providing
additional information.

You might need it when asking for assistance from a technician or just
anyone sighted in general since they tend to rely much more heavily on the
mouse/touch pad for navigation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


I was just trying to help... lol

If he's the only one using the comp, when would it be needed?
Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

the problem with uninstalling it is that Windows will usually
reinstall the drivers on the next reboot. Even if it can only find a
generic driver. I vaguely remember that there may be a way to prevent
it from doing so, but I can't recall the details at the moment.
Besides, you might need it at some point.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Rajmund,

Maybe the fn key with one of the function keys will disable the mouse?

Or why don't you just remove it.
Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers

Yes some devices do not have the "Disable" option.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Hi Mike,
Yep, windows-x, device manager, tab once, get to mouse, expand it,
down arrow to the driver, context menu key (if applicable) and
disable. But no disable option here.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:36 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Hi Rajmund,

Go to the Device Manager via the control panel. Or, try Windows
key
+ Pause key, then tab to, Device Manager, press enter, & tab 1 time
into the Tree Biew. This is how I get there with Windows7, & hope
you can get
there with these steps.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Hi Mike,
If I go through the device manager, from the context menu, is that
the same device manager? Because if yes, there's no disable driver.
It's a Samsung specific, my HP did use the same which Gene has, but
can't recall
it's name right now.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:53 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Hi Rajmund,

Approach 2 - Device Manager

Open the Control Panel, then go to System > Device Manager.
Navigate to
the Mouse Option, right click on it, and click Disable.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajmund
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Is disabling it through the device manager, the one through
mouse settings, or the one, which you access through windows-x?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:27 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers



Also, which method in that article did you try? There were
several described and disabling it in Device Manager should
usually work and be retained between reboots.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Look in the system tray for whatever is relevant. I did this a
long time ago on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know if you
will see a specific item for your touch pad or something more
general but I believe you will see something for your touch
pad. Open the item and
look for the relevant setting. that will probably work.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] disabling the mouse drivers


Oh, while I'm at it, any ideas about this one? I can disable
the mouse driver no problem, and I hit apply, and everything,
but the next time I reboot, the driver reactivates. What's
happening here, and more importantly, how do I, for once and
all, stop this crap from
keep reenabling itself? While writing my TB error, I lost focus
3 damn times. This should, according to google, work.
http://www.howtogeek.com/220149/how-do-you-permanently-disable-the-to
u
chpad-
on-a-laptop/
Except that it doesn't, I presume because am on windows 8.1,
latest NVDA. Oh, it's Samsung, already had troubles with the f
keys having unusual functions, so wouldn't be surprised, if
this has a trick, too.

Sent from a Braille Sense























Re: my dell laptop

Matt
 

Yes ! that is what I will do when I get it tomorrow.  Yes it was an over kill. The quad core and 16 GB of ram . I did also get a SD drive in it.  I could got off a little cheaper by say 500 bucks maybe by going down to a dual core I5 processer and 8 GB of ram and scaling down to W10 home instead of Pro.  I could have save d even more money by going from 512 GB SD to aa 250 GB SD. But I don’t buy PC very often usually around every decade as that is when I see the specs change enough to make a real difference.  Or the PC dies and it cost more to fix it then it is worth.

It is like my old dell laptop latitude it is around a decade old and it is not worth me up grading as old as it is . It has XP on it so I would have to buy W10 to put on it and it has only 2 GB of ram but will take up to 4 GB of ram. It is a 32 bit system.  It has an old 7200 rpm HD and it is I think only 80 GB of storage maybe 160 GB of storage.

So more than likely I will donate it to the blind Services or to the computers for the blind and let them worry about it.

So if this is what I was told then I in hope to have it around a decade. This new laptop.

I will keep you all posted and tell you what I got when I get it.

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

This thread has a lot of information, and reading it as a whole gives me a headache, so let me digest it for everyone if I can.

Many laptops have dual core processors. Whether they are hyper-threaded or not doesn't matter, they have two physical cores, therefore being dual-core. Some higher-end laptops, however, have quad-core processors. For the average user, and I would say for many above-average users, the quad-core I7 HQ processors are over-kill, but that is beyond the scope of this message... there are many laptops that have quad-cores, but they are more expensive and high-end, and most users do not request them because they are over-kill for all but the most demanding of tasks. More important is the speed and amount of RAM, and the speed of the read/write speeds of the hard drive... I would take a lower-specked processor with more faster ram and a newer, faster model SSD over a computer with a quad-core with less ram and a spinning drive. In any case, If Matt ordered an I7 quad-core, he will most likely receive an I7 quad-core, probably the 6700 HQ, as I am not sure that the 7700 is out. If Matt does not receive the HQ version, he can then say that Dell mislead him, but the fact is, we don't know that from these messages. I7's are more difficult to find because they are not as advertised because they are over-kill for most users, and the battery life is not as good... but this does not mean that they cannot be found, or that they cannot be ordered. So, hopefully he receives the I7 HQ processor, and hopefully he is happy with his purchase. if not, he can contact Dell and they can replace it with the right model.

Thanks.

 

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:35 PM Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well don’t know it looks like a dual core but why would they say it is a quad core. Is a dual core with 4 threads or processers or whatever the hell is the same as quad core? Just trying to understand why they call it quad core? This is unlike dell to say something it is not.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Gregory
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:24 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Hi Matt,

 

The following link will give the specs of the Intel Core i7-7500U, which is dual core and runs at 2.7GHz. If your CPU on the new notebook is 3.5GHz, I don’t know what it is, unless they are referring to the max CPU speed under Turbo Boost. Anyway, let us know what the processor actually is when you receive it.

 

http://processors.specout.com/l/1969/Intel-Core-i7-7500U

 

John.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: 22 December 2016 23:58
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

So they call that a quad core eveven though it has two cores?  Wouldn’t that be a quad processer which would be about the same I assume.  I did ask if it had a quad core and they said yes so don’t know why they would say quad core when it is dual core.  I guess I know for sure Friday. When I look at about this PC it should tell me .

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Gregory
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

OK Matt,

 

The Intel Core I series for laptops are essentially all dual core, but have what they call 4 hyperthreads, and generally have turbo boost to increase processing power when required, that is why they usually describe the CPU speed as, for example, 2.7 -3.1GHz. If it were a true quad core it would have 8 hyperthreads. I don’t know of any laptop/notebook that incorporates a true quad core processor, so I am guessing that your new Dell is dual core, but with 4 hyperthreads.

 

John.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: 22 December 2016 23:15
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Oh yes I always check on anything new to make sure it is what I suppose to get.  Now something come to mind . they are saying quad core . I just wondering they really mean dual core with 4 processers. Each core having two processers on each core.  I guess in one way that could be called a quad core . I would have called it quad processers . I assume if it is it would be just as good or better? Either way you usually don’t use but two processers unless you are doing something intense  and then the other processers kick in . Don’t know if there would be a benefit to having 4 cores with 1 processer on each core or two cores with two processers on each core. This is getting a little deep for me so don’t know.  You want to chime in on this Carlos?

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi

That is nice.  Make sure to check the processor when you get it though.

 

On 12/23/2016 12:08 AM, Matt wrote:

Hi, all I know is I requested a quad core processer and they said that would be what I would get a I 7 7th gen .  It had to be customize to that. I called them or did it over chat and then did the order over the phone. So if it not what they said it is it will be going back! Not paying that kind of money for a dual core processer.  They told me it would be a quad core processer.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi,

The two model options I saw are with the i5 7200u and i7 7500 u both of which are dual core. And true, the 7500 u runs at 3.5 ghz.  It is surprising that many manufacturers are bundling ultra low voltage (U) processors in 15 inch notebooks that can handle quad core processors.  Personally, I am going to hold onto this computer as long as I can and get an HQ processor when I need a new one.

 

On 12/22/2016 11:18 PM, Matt wrote:

Hi, yes I got the touch screen and I got my custom made! With the I 7 7th gen processer  it is not standard built! They do make it with the Dual core processer.  Which is standard built.  My has the quad core processer I 7  7th gen up to 3.5 GHZ and 16 GB of ram and 512 GB SD and rose Gold in color and touch screen. They make the 9360 in touch screen and without the touch screen the one without max out with a duel core processer. I also got the 2 year warranty with it.  But it was custom made to my specs.

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

hi,

are you sure it has a quad core?  From what I can see, it has an i7 7500 U processor, which is definitely a dual core processor.

my source is:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-Review.181471.0.html

 

On 12/22/2016 7:21 PM, Matt wrote:

I have no idea I have not got it yet. It is a Dell XPS 9360  so you might could call dell and ask them or see if they have aa picture of it and get  a seeing person to see if it does. I will use a external keyboard most of the time not the built in one. I have never liked the laptop keyboards . I use them when I have no other choice.  I really wanted a surface pro 4 but what kept me from that was the lack of ports it has on it.  Otherwise I would have got it.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

This sounds great and I am kicking around the idea of a new laptop. I know that Carlos recently said the Dell computer is really good these days. I do have one question. does the laptop have a context key on the right of the space bar and a ctrl key on each side? My 13 inch Toshiba has those keys and I find it so much faster to use.

 

From: Matt

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:07 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

I 7 7th gen Quad core.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Smiling?
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Smiles, I’d agree with the optimistic statement. I’m curious which chipset came in this machine?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Sounds like a good package; how much dollars. 10 years for a laptop?   Seems a bit optimistic.

 

Good luck,

Monte

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: December-22-16 2:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my dell laptop

 

Well I order a Dell XPS 9360 laptop. This is my Xmas to myself.

It has 13 inch screen and 16 gB of ram and Quad core processer up to 3.5 GHZ and 512 SD drive. This is the biggest part of the specs and I hope t to get around a decade out of this if not more.  I needed a backup windows pct. to my desktop. It has better specs than my desktop so  I might end up making this my main PC. My desktop is a Dell XPS with Quad core processer and 12 GB of ram and a 750 rpm HD with a storage of 750 GB. And a dedicated graphic card with 2 GB of on board memory. I have had this desktop for about 6 years or so. Running great it has W10 on it now W10 pro .

BTW it supposed to be here this week or the first of next week.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

 

 

 


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Carlos
 


LOL yes, I've never needed technical support so I'm not quite sure what is available in terms of government sponsored assistance.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Well the light house for the blind here a sub division of the blind services of Florida will give you independent living help from cooking to teaching braille to learning to use a PC with the screen reader of your choice  or they will teach you to use Mac. You first have to get approved thru the blind Services and then they send you to the light house of the blind. Now for trouble shooting computers and working on them and stuff . I don’t know if they have someone there doing that or they have a place of business that they contract with or send you to.  They not usually in the business of fixing computers and phones and equipment . they usually contract with someone or have someone they send you too. Since I usually do my own Pc trouble shooting I never had a need for that kind of service.  If it was hardware related on my computer and I did not feel comfortable doing it myself I just backed up my data and then let them go at it.  I usually uninstall any A T products I have on it or disable them. And when I get it back I put them on it.

As usually you don’t need to know anything about  a screen reader to work on a PC.  

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Also, will they provide technical support if you're experiencing problems with a computer or other devices?  That was the original issue being discussed.

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Gene,

Referring to the email I sent out, no this is not related to my work, but it is related to living independently.  The department of rehab where I live does not only serve people who are a student or who are employed.  Blind people do live independently, and you should know this yourself.  I can schedule an appointment with a tech volunteer to meet at their office, and learn about a computer or an iPhone.  This service is free.  If I need more extensive training, the department of rehab will open my case as they would do for anyone because this is the service they provide.  It is called independent living skills.  Where the computer comes in is: people do need a computer to shop online, pay bills online, manage accounts online and other business accounts online, communicate through email, fill out forms online, check personal status online, refill meds online, look up important and personal info online, schedule appointments online, schedule deliveries online, read mail and etc.  It is the same as rehab providing mobility lessons, and not only if the person is a student or employed. 

This is very understandable! 

Janet    

 .   

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

But is your learning related to your work?  That would be understandable. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Hi Carolyn,
I just realized I  think  I must be fortunate because where I live, I can call blind techy volunteers for an appointment who will help me to learn what I might want to learn on the computer or iPhone.  If I need more tech help, I can call the department of rehab, and they will open a case for me to go to get more extensive computer training.  
Janet


Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

And, they are not set up to contract for us, should we be able or willing to pay for a specific service or for services.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the state is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.
 
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
 
I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.  But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie friend was able to bail me out.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again. You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems. Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers anything through it's office.


On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@... <mailto:edrew@...> > wrote:

Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms accessability help desk.
I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.
I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal. My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho
Andrew




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Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Matt
 

Well the light house for the blind here a sub division of the blind services of Florida will give you independent living help from cooking to teaching braille to learning to use a PC with the screen reader of your choice  or they will teach you to use Mac. You first have to get approved thru the blind Services and then they send you to the light house of the blind. Now for trouble shooting computers and working on them and stuff . I don’t know if they have someone there doing that or they have a place of business that they contract with or send you to.  They not usually in the business of fixing computers and phones and equipment . they usually contract with someone or have someone they send you too. Since I usually do my own Pc trouble shooting I never had a need for that kind of service.  If it was hardware related on my computer and I did not feel comfortable doing it myself I just backed up my data and then let them go at it.  I usually uninstall any A T products I have on it or disable them. And when I get it back I put them on it.

As usually you don’t need to know anything about  a screen reader to work on a PC.  

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Also, will they provide technical support if you're experiencing problems with a computer or other devices?  That was the original issue being discussed.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Gene,

Referring to the email I sent out, no this is not related to my work, but it is related to living independently.  The department of rehab where I live does not only serve people who are a student or who are employed.  Blind people do live independently, and you should know this yourself.  I can schedule an appointment with a tech volunteer to meet at their office, and learn about a computer or an iPhone.  This service is free.  If I need more extensive training, the department of rehab will open my case as they would do for anyone because this is the service they provide.  It is called independent living skills.  Where the computer comes in is: people do need a computer to shop online, pay bills online, manage accounts online and other business accounts online, communicate through email, fill out forms online, check personal status online, refill meds online, look up important and personal info online, schedule appointments online, schedule deliveries online, read mail and etc.  It is the same as rehab providing mobility lessons, and not only if the person is a student or employed. 

This is very understandable! 

Janet    

 .   

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

But is your learning related to your work?  That would be understandable. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Hi Carolyn,
I just realized I  think  I must be fortunate because where I live, I can call blind techy volunteers for an appointment who will help me to learn what I might want to learn on the computer or iPhone.  If I need more tech help, I can call the department of rehab, and they will open a case for me to go to get more extensive computer training.  
Janet


Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

And, they are not set up to contract for us, should we be able or willing to pay for a specific service or for services.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the state is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.
 
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
 
I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.  But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie friend was able to bail me out.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again. You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems. Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers anything through it's office.


On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@... <mailto:edrew@...> > wrote:

Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms accessability help desk.
I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.
I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal. My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho
Andrew




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