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Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Lisa Belville
 

This was eight years ago at the end of XP and the beginning of Windows seven. I wanted something stripped down and didn't know anyone who would uninstall a bunch of bloatware and set things up correctly. I come from a seriously technically defective family so reformatting and installing windows from scratch wasn't happening. I'm satisfied with what I got and this has been a very reliable system over the years.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


I say that for many reasons. Here is my discussion:
Because most users don't need specialized customizations of machines such as extra ports or other kinds of ports. It's cheaper to purchase a machine from a manufacturer, especially a manufacturer refurbished machine or a machine at a good sale price.

also, if you purchase from a reputable manufacturer or store, I would expect, though I haven't investigated this, that it is far easier to exchange or return a defective unit. My impression, based on only one person's experience I know of is that if you have a machine custom made, the person who makes it will be generally unwilling to take the machine back and will very much want to repair it. that may be fine but I'd sure rather have a good exchange or return option available.

Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth. I'd bet that custom builders use the same components as manufacturers in general.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
For most users, I consider it a waste of money to have a custom built machine.
Why do you say that?


Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Which folder is that, even? Is that in users?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



LOL the public folder? That's a doozy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


I discussed it a while back when I couldn't install NVDA because I had
deleted the folder for the public user account. The issue was that NVDA
was trying to put a shortcut in that folder, but it couldn't find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:52:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall. It's also worth
pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be
deleted.. But people often delete programs without knowing what they do
and they later find they can't do something that program would have done.
Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer
doesn't automatically make it bloatware.

Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer
in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it
doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected
problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software.
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first?
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.extď&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
advanced in general,

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be.
Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense




















Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Lisa Belville
 

Ah, then you have at least some access to resources we don't have downstate.
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


I live in Chicago.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Gene, where do you live in IL? I live in the Southern Tip and we've never
really had comprehensive training here unless it's at the center in Chicago.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front
of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


I haven't used Illinois services except as related to employment for more
than thirty years. I know Illinois offers services to blind people who need
to learn skilss of functioning as blind people who are not learning them for
employment. But what is offered in terms of computer maintenance to such
people, I don't know. there may be something but it doesn't sound
reasonable nor likely that any blind person who has received such services
from the state can have a state employee or contractor visit their homes and
service their computers

How many thousands of people are we talking about?
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Only if the training is meant to lead to employment. Pam.

From: Janet Gross
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Pam,

I do agree with most of what you are saying here, but if you needed computer
training, couldn’t you become a client by calling your rehab department?

Janet







Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem
Solved!



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



That’s not what happens in the real world. When you are a client, the state
is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed
to. When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way
concerning you. So, they couldn’t care less! Pam.



From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.





I strongly disagree. A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to
help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is
not a client. I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my
home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.
But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local
service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other
issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help
from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?



Gerald







From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients. I don't
mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of
their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an
open case with them. A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried
contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set
it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working
with them, but he ignored my pleas for help. I even contacted their
director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because
they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable
service technician unless I had an open case. Thank goodness my techie
friend was able to bail me out.



Gerald







From: Joseph Hudson

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again.
You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I
would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in
your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness
trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems.
Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth
it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer
in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers
anything through it's office.

On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@cox.net> wrote:



Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms
accessability help desk.

I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.

I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to
escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve
this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than
good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal.
My Outlook 2010 remains fobar. BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho

Andrew





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Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.
If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

I say that for many reasons.  Here is my discussion:
Because most users don't need specialized customizations of machines such as extra ports or other kinds of ports.  It's cheaper to purchase a machine from a manufacturer, especially  a manufacturer refurbished machine or a machine at a good sale price. 
 
also, if you purchase from a reputable manufacturer or store, I would expect, though I haven't investigated this, that it is far easier to exchange or return a defective unit.  My impression, based on only one person's experience I know of is that if you have a machine custom made, the person who makes it will be generally unwilling to take the machine back and will very much want to repair it.  that may be fine but I'd sure rather have a good exchange or return option available.
 
Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.  I'd bet that custom builders use the same components as manufacturers in general. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> For most users, I consider it a waste of money to have a custom built machine.

Why do you say that?




Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Carlos
 

I'm just a bit surprised since you generally seem to know what you are talking about. LOL although I suppose we all have to learn the hard way at some point. I'm sure I've made quite a few doozies in my time. I just don't remember them at the moment or I'm intentionally blocking the memories.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yeah, my 15-year-old self deleted it for some reason.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:04:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

LOL the public folder? That's a doozy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


I discussed it a while back when I couldn't install NVDA because I had
deleted the folder for the public user account. The issue was that NVDA
was trying to put a shortcut in that folder, but it couldn't find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:52:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall. It's also worth
pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be
deleted.. But people often delete programs without knowing what they do
and they later find they can't do something that program would have done.
Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer
doesn't automatically make it bloatware.

Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer
in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it
doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected
problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software.
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first?
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext"&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
advanced in general,


http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be.
Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense
























Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Mohamed
 

Yeah, my 15-year-old self deleted it for some reason.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:04:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

LOL the public folder? That's a doozy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


I discussed it a while back when I couldn't install NVDA because I had
deleted the folder for the public user account. The issue was that NVDA
was trying to put a shortcut in that folder, but it couldn't find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:52:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall. It's also worth
pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be
deleted.. But people often delete programs without knowing what they do
and they later find they can't do something that program would have done.
Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer
doesn't automatically make it bloatware.

Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer
in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it
doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected
problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software.
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first?
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext"&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
advanced in general,


http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be.
Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: my dell laptop

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
What happened to the messages? I just noticed, it says view online, 55. Did we lose the archives, or did it restart counting?



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my dell laptop



I'll take your word for it since I almost never purchase laptops.


Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Doing some further research, this is the folder that's important, appData. I can't find anything about application data while researching, however.And app data is there, safe, and viewable.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? And do you have system restore working, which will probably restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions. Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.extď&&icacls "C:\folder name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be. Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense









Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
For most users, I consider it a waste of money to have a custom built machine.
Why do you say that?


Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Carlos
 

LOL the public folder? That's a doozy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


I discussed it a while back when I couldn't install NVDA because I had deleted the folder for the public user account. The issue was that NVDA was trying to put a shortcut in that folder, but it couldn't find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:52:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall. It's also worth pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be deleted.. But people often delete programs without knowing what they do and they later find they can't do something that program would have done. Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer doesn't automatically make it bloatware.

Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software.
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first?
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext"&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
advanced in general,

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be.
Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense

















A Christmas message

Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hello everyone.

Since it is Christmas Eve in some parts of the world, may I now take the opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas and a happy and peaceful new year. Christmas begins in the UK in just over five hours time. Yay!

Best wishes Chris


Re: Holiday wishes from Sugar

Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi thank you.

On 23 Dec 2016, at 18:58, Sugar <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hello everyone
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas and may you you be prosperous for the
year 2017.
May heaven open up and may all the abundance of blessings be poured upon you
and your household for all the days to come.
Hugs to all
Sugar and the Lopez Fun House
"May you by your good life show your works
in the gentleness of wisdom. James 3:13"
-Sugar







Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Gene,
System restore is working, yes. That was the first thing I checked, even before I typed in my WIFI code.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? And do you have system restore working, which will probably restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions. Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.extď&&icacls "C:\folder name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be. Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense









Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

For most users, I consider it a waste of money to have a custom built machine.  I got perfectly good maintenance work done by a local shop when I needed it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene, this is why I recommend a local rather than chain tech store.  The PC
I'm using now was built custom in 2009 and I got exactly what I wanted.  I
needed some maintenance in 2012 and once I explained what JAWS was they were
fine with not installing/deleting stuff.  Most techy people are usually at
least marginally interested in the technology once they see how it works.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front
of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Changing resolution may impair the reading of the screen in certain programs
but it won't stop the screen-reader from working.  I would never limit
myself to the small number of techs who know a little about adaptive
equipment.  I don't know how competent they are, I don't know how their work
compares in general with competent techs who don't have such knowledge.  A
good reputable shop won't do the kind of damage you are describing if you
speak with whomever is going to do the work.  the user has a certain amount
of responsibility to inform techs not to alter adaptive equipment and not to
upgrade any programs because doing so might not allow the programs to work
with screen-readers.  Also, techs should not be instructed to add any
programs or utilities without the express permission of the owner.  Adding
certain antimalware programs, for example, might place inaccessible programs
on the machine.  the blind owner should give clear instructions as to how to
unload adaptive software if it runs automatically at boot up.

I haven't done this but it might be a good idea to have certain things in
writing such as that if a tech upgrades a program or places a program on a
computer without the owner's permission, then the expense of undoing such
changes will be borne by the shop or the tech or whomever is being hired and
no charge for time or labor for the initial installation of such programs or
upgrades will be assessed.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


They do have to know what the screenreader is, though; and that it’s not
junk to be disposed of, or a virus.  And they have to not mess with display
settings and all, or anything that would make the screenreader not work
right.  That’s why I say it’s better to have somebody who at least knows a
little about them.  Pam.

From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Well the light house for the blind here a sub division of the blind services
of Florida will give you independent living help from cooking to teaching
braille to learning to use a PC with the screen reader of your choice  or
they will teach you to use Mac. You first have to get approved thru the
blind Services and then they send you to the light house of the blind. Now
for trouble shooting computers and working on them and stuff . I don’t know
if they have someone there doing that or they have a place of business that
they contract with or send you to.  They not usually in the business of
fixing computers and phones and equipment . they usually contract with
someone or have someone they send you too. Since I usually do my own Pc
trouble shooting I never had a need for that kind of service.  If it was
hardware related on my computer and I did not feel comfortable doing it
myself I just backed up my data and then let them go at it.  I usually
uninstall any A T products I have on it or disable them. And when I get it
back I put them on it.

As usually you don’t need to know anything about  a screen reader to work on
a PC.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



Also, will they provide technical support if you're experiencing problems
with a computer or other devices?  That was the original issue being
discussed.

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Janet Gross

  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:22 PM

  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



  Gene,

  Referring to the email I sent out, no this is not related to my work, but
it is related to living independently.  The department of rehab where I live
does not only serve people who are a student or who are employed.  Blind
people do live independently, and you should know this yourself.  I can
schedule an appointment with a tech volunteer to meet at their office, and
learn about a computer or an iPhone.  This service is free.  If I need more
extensive training, the department of rehab will open my case as they would
do for anyone because this is the service they provide.  It is called
independent living skills.  Where the computer comes in is: people do need a
computer to shop online, pay bills online, manage accounts online and other
business accounts online, communicate through email, fill out forms online,
check personal status online, refill meds online, look up important and
personal info online, schedule appointments online, schedule deliveries
online, read mail and etc.  It is the same as rehab providing mobility
lessons, and not only if the person is a student or employed.

  This is very understandable!

  Janet

  .





  Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem
Solved!



  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Gene
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:55 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



  But is your learning related to your work?  That would be understandable.



  Gene

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Janet Gross

  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:27 PM

  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



  Hi Carolyn,
  I just realized I  think  I must be fortunate because where I live, I can
call blind techy volunteers for an appointment who will help me to learn
what I might want to learn on the computer or iPhone.  If I need more tech
help, I can call the department of rehab, and they will open a case for me
to go to get more extensive computer training.
  Janet


  Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem
Solved!


  -----Original Message-----
  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Carolyn Arnold
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:05 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

  And, they are not set up to contract for us, should we be able or willing
to pay for a specific service or for services.

  Bye for now,

  Carolyn


  -----Original Message-----
  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:20 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

  That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the
state is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly
supposed to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming
there way concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.

  From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


  I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to
help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is
not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my
home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.
But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local
service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other
issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help
from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?

  Gerald



  From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

  There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't
mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.

  Gene
  ----- Original Message -----

  From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


  thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



  On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



  In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of
their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an
open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried
contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set
it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working
with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their
director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because
they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable
service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie
friend was able to bail me out.

  Gerald



  From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM
  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

  Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again.
You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I
would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in
your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness
trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems.
Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth
it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer
in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers
anything through it's office.


  On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@... <mailto:edrew@...>
 > wrote:

  Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms
accessability help desk.
  I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.
  I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to
escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve
this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than
good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal.
My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho
  Andrew




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Holiday wishes from Sugar

Sugar
 

Hello everyone
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas and may you you be prosperous for the
year 2017.
May heaven open up and may all the abundance of blessings be poured upon you
and your household for all the days to come.
Hugs to all
Sugar and the Lopez Fun House
"May you by your good life show your works
in the gentleness of wisdom. James 3:13"
-Sugar


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

I live in Chicago. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene, where do you live in IL?  I live in the Southern Tip and we've never
really had comprehensive training here unless it's at the center in Chicago.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front
of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


I haven't used Illinois services except as related to employment for more
than thirty years.  I know Illinois offers services to blind people who need
to learn skilss of functioning as blind people who are not learning them for
employment.  But what is offered in terms of computer maintenance to such
people, I don't know.  there may be something but it doesn't sound
reasonable nor likely that any blind person who has received such services
from the state can have a state employee or contractor visit their homes and
service their computers

How many thousands of people are we talking about?
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Only if the training is meant to lead to employment.  Pam.

From: Janet Gross
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Pam,

I do agree with most of what you are saying here, but if you needed computer
training, couldn’t you become a client by calling your rehab department?

Janet







Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem
Solved!



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the state
is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed
to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way
concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.



From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.





I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to
help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is
not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my
home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.
But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local
service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other
issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help
from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?



Gerald







From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't
mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



  In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of
their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an
open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried
contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set
it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working
with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their
director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because
they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable
service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie
friend was able to bail me out.



  Gerald







  From: Joseph Hudson

  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM

  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.



  Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again.
You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I
would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in
your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness
trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems.
Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth
it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer
in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers
anything through it's office.

    On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@...> wrote:



    Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms
accessability help desk.

    I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.

    I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to
escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve
this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than
good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal.
My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho

    Andrew





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Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Mohamed
 

I discussed it a while back when I couldn't install NVDA because I had deleted the folder for the public user account. The issue was that NVDA was trying to put a shortcut in that folder, but it couldn't find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:52:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall. It's also worth pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be deleted.. But people often delete programs without knowing what they do and they later find they can't do something that program would have done. Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer doesn't automatically make it bloatware.

Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software.
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first?
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed? It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now. Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere. I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does
have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext"&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
/t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like
"TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select
"OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
reopen the
"Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
advanced in general,

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact text if need be.
Anyone has
any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Gene
 

You may have discussed it before but I don't recall.  It's also worth pointing out that there are some bloatware programs that you know can be deleted.  But people often delete programs without knowing what they do and they later find they can't do something that program would have done.  Just because something is included on a computer by the manufacturer doesn't automatically make it bloatware. 
 
Also, I don't install software unless I have a way to revert the computer in case the software unexpectedly causes problems and uninstalling it doesn't stop them or in case the uninstallation causes unexpected problems. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mohamed
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Yes Gene, as you probably know, I once deleted the folder for the
public user account in Windows, and I couldn't install software. 
The lesson I learned from that is *never* delete files unless you
have a good reason, and if Windows isn't letting you delete them,
there's probably a very good reason why.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough
about to delete.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? 
And do you have system restore working, which will probably
restore the folder and files, if needed?  It is bad procedure to
play around in this way unless you either know that it is safe or
have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the
presumption that they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a  theory.  After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing
possible, delete.  At first,  they wouldn't even delete, but they
have now.  Since I can open everything absolutely everything
else, I think something corrupted somewhere.  I presume it'll
recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos  <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



 The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in
question which
 that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for
 doing so as far as I can tell.  Here are some instructions I
wrote a while
 back which might help.

 Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership
of the
 files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions. 
Windows does
 have equivalent commands to chmod.

 For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant
yourself full
 permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

 takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext"&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file
 name.ext" /grant administrators:F

 To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and
subfolders:

 takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F
 /t

 If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

 1.  Highlight the folder in Explorer.

 2.  Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

 3.  Navigate to the
 "Security"
 tab.

 4.  Tab to the
 "Advanced"
 button and select it.

 5.  See what it says in the
 "Owner"
 field.  If it already says
 "Administrators"
 proceed to step 9.  If it says anything else like
 "TrustedInstaller"
 tab to the
 "Change"
 link and press the Spacebar to select it.

 6.  Type
 "Administrators"
 and select the
 "OK"
 button.

 7.  Tab to the
 "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
 checkbox and enable it.

 8.  Select the
 "Apply"
 button.  After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

 Windows Security
 If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need
to close
 and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change
 permissions.
 OK

 9.  Select the
 "OK"
 button to close the dialog and then select
 "OK"
 twice more to close the
 "Advanced Security Settings"
 and
 "Properties"
 dialogs respectively.

 10.  Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to
 reopen the
 "Properties"
 dialog.

 11.  Return to the
 "Security"
 tab.

 12.  Select the
 "Edit"
 button.

 13.  Select
 "Administrators"
 from the list.

 14.  Tab to the
 "Allow Full control"
 checkbox and enable it.

 15.  Select the
 "Apply"
 button.

 16.  Select the
 "OK"
 button twice to close the
 "Permissions"
 and
 "Properties"
 dialogs respectively.

 17.  Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...
 To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
 Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
 Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


 Hello,
 I tried fixes 1 and  2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's
no
 advanced in general,
 
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is
-denied
 I still can't access it.  Every time I try to apply any of these
changes,
 it gives an error along the lines of Error applying security
dialog, error
 occurred, deta failed.  I can copy the exact text if need be. 
Anyone has
 any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on which I don't install
things myself
 is hard.

 Sent from a Braille Sense















Troubles installing JAWS18

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
So, as we all know, having a secondary screen reader, is always useful to have. That's exactly what am trying here. Windows 8.1, 64 bit, and have a 64 bit of JAWS. Every time I try installing, I get The JAWS setup package can not 'install the required component, runtime JAWS. Running it as admin made no change. And again, this worked on windows 10 just fine, so I'm slightly confused as to why not now. I've not tried 17, to be fair. Although I don't suppose it would make a difference.
Actually, http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_threadďthread=5165
Except that redownloading it here did no difference.
And since it doesn't even load the speaking installer, it's not an authorisation issue. Tried removing all remains of freedom scientific, as well as the registry, but still no luck.

Sent from a Braille Sense

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