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Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when the person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: TechTalk@groups.io Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened
Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Hi,
Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at the
time, that's different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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The owner of JAWS-Users [a customized Mailman server] seems to have
implemented a filter to ‘catch’ cross-posters. It seems to work well, but from
time to time a cross-posted message still gets through. And when that happens,
the grapes of wrath quickly descend!
Anyway, one can implement a BCC message rule (filter) and add refinements
to it as the need arises. I had a designated BCC folder (and probably still have
one on my laptop), and messages sent BCC would go there.
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that there's really
much which can be done about cross posting. I believe this problem may
come back to Gene's and other's concerns about too many lists causing user
fragmentation.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:31
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What
happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with
the moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the
fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting
all over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer
than five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross
posts do not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a
utility which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up
filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don
Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal. Indeed it
is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of
opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of
BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40
PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What
happened
Wow, I don’t’
check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes
poopoo.
So is this list
actually active?
All sorts of drama
on
BlindTech.
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Hi,
With all due respect are they actually cross posts or merely separate
postings to different lists? In my view there is a difference. I myself in
an effort to obtain information have posed questions on more than one list
in separate messages never cross posting as that is a violation of many an email
list’s protocols and also causes the email filters of individuals to fail.
That’s why I pointed out the difference as I don’t see a problem with the
latter. Just my two cents no one asked for.
Robin
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although
I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation and sometimes
the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are more and
more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place. It is
not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on various
lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking. Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal. Indeed it is
active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of
opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of
BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40
PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don’t’ check
the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes
poopoo.
So is this list
actually active?
All sorts of drama
on BlindTech.
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Re: How to reply privately
If you open the message, tab once, then start shift
tabbing, you should get to the from line. You may have to shift tab five
or six times but you should get there. You don't indicate that you tabbed
once. It appears you just shift tabbed. You may not have seen my
follow up message earlier in the day where I discussed the need to tab once
before shift tabbing.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
Nah, as I said before, it doesn't appear that it places the
cursor, or whatever it is that moves about when you're pressing tab, to the same
location every time you open a new message. As an example, when I opened up this
last message from you and pressed shift+tab, it took me to a terms of service
link. From here, yes, I can press tab once to get to the from header, but, It
doesn't always place me in the same position, especially once I close and
re-open the client later on to check my messages. this isn't something new
though, not in any of the previous versions of NVDA or tb at least.
On 8/31/2015 3:31 PM, Gene wrote:
My later message should allow you to get to the from line very
easily. I don't know why you are seeng the send message as
unavailable.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
Just went to check, and no, that doesn't work here inside tb
for me. Although it does announce the from header as a sub-menu, pressing any
of the arrows, or space doesn't appear to open it. Pressing the applications
key on this sub-menu does bring up the menu as you describe, however, the
portion of that menu that contains the email address, NVDA announces it as
unavailable. Two ways I can see from this menu to grab the address would be to
still use NVDA's mark and copy feature from flat review, or, there's another
option a few down that says, copy email address. I'm guessing that this would
copy it directly to the clipboard. I'm honestly not sure which one ends up
being faster, but, I'll add that for me at least, I've found more frustrations
in actually getting to where the headers begin. I'd at first thought that if
you use control end to jump to the end of the message, and then press tab, it
should land you on the beginning of the headers, but, this doesn't always work
here. More often than not, I end up having to press tab a few times, depending
on the length of the message, to actually reach the from header to copy the
address.
Tc.
Blessings.
On 8/31/2015 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use Thunderbird but I have it on my machine so I can try to see
how things are done. I hate to tell you, but you have been doing
things the hard way.
Open the message, shift tab to the from field, and then open the
context menu. Up or down arrow, I think up arrowing is faster but I
didn't check carefully, and you will get to an item that says something like
send a message to. but instead of just stopping on that item, it would
be a good idea to go through the entire menu and see what options, in
addition to the send message option, are available. When you are
working with something and you can't see an easy way to do something, or
even if you can see an easy way, opening the context menu and looking around
is a good idea. I'm speaking in general, not just Thunderbird.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
Are you referring to a laptop layout command when you discuss the NVDA
shift down arrow command? I'm not sure what that command would be on
the desktop layout. I suspect the desktop command is insert numpad
down arrow.
Gene
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
It's pretty much the same in tb, just a few things of note to
keep in mind, at least with NVDA. NVDA has always had some kind of strange
issue with keeping focus within those areas inside the message headers, so,
using the normal commands to move about through the field to copy them may
not work or give you response as expected. Rather, I find it easier to use
NVDA's ability to copy the text from flat review and then the NVDA command
to place that in the clipboard. For me, when I tab to the field that
contains the sender's address, it has it displayed as a menu, so I have to
first enter that object using the NVDA+shift down arrow command. From here.
I can set the start of where I wish to copy with NVDA+f9, use flat review to
move to the end of the address and NVDA+f10 to copy it to the
clipboard.
Hope this helps, and tc.
Blessings.
On 8/31/2015 7:58 AM, Gene wrote:
Considering how many times over the years, I see blind people on
different lists not know how to respond privately to someone, here are
instructions that will work on some, perhaps many, e-mail programs.
Be on the message in the message list.
Open the message properties with alt enter, that is, hold alt and
press enter.
Issue the command control tab.
Try down arrowing. If you can't down arrow, tab once. Now
try down arrowing again. If you have to tab once, do that every time
you follow this procedure before down arrowing.
Now start down arrowing through the message headers.
There will be a lot of information but you will find a line that says
from and then gives the address of the sender.
Move to the start of the address.
Then use the command shift end to select it.
Copy it to the clipboard.
Close properties with escape.
Then start a new message and paste the address into the
clipboard.
Some e-mail lists won't display the original sender's address in the
properties or anywhere else but many lists do.
It would be a good idea if people would send instructions about how
to reply privately with different e-mail programs. I know the method
I gave works in Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail and, presumably Windows
Mail. I don't know if it works in Word or Thunderbird.
Gene
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
The problem is that CNET now quite often uses their own stub downloader which is what includes the promotional software. So whether they download it directly from CNET or someone else hosting the file, there is still the risk of unintentionally installing junkware.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com> To: <TechTalk@groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites LOL, want me to get it, and then dropbox it? Note takers are strong enough to hold on. Oh, this offer goes to anyone. I'm willing to download anything, and then dropbox it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Now if only I had an internet connection with my VM, I'd test it out in there first.
On 08/31/15 05:05 PM, Carlos wrote:
Indeed, that is a big concern with CNET downloads these days.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
I'm concerned about the windows download, it goes to CNET downloads, and I'm concerned that there may be adware bundled with it.
On 08/31/15 02:17 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,
Below is an app I came across that might benefit some of you.
Fact of the day:
Splenda was an insecticide that became a sweetener when an assistant
misheard an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things to ponder:
Why is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It Actually Turns on?
One Touch to Unblock Websites | For some reasons you may not be able to visit a website due to restrictions by service providers or censorship by institutions or governments at your location. However, these geo limitations can easily be overcome by average users. How easily? Hey, it is just a tap on the screen.
On a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap the "Connect" button, you can then unblock and access all websites and services including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or other websites banned at your location or workplace. Simple as that.
What this app provides is a free unlimited Virtual Private Network (VPN) service. It detects your location automatically and connects you to the nearest server that can access all websites and services, therefore bypassing your default server that may restrict your access right.
Besides encrypting your data for security, this app also allows you to surf the Web anonymously. It changes your IP address so that your online identity is anonymous and internet activity is hidden. With this, you can gain access to geo restricted services such as Netflix that limits its availability to some countries only.
Better still, this app does not impose irritating ads on the web pages you're browsing, though it does occasionally recommend third party apps to you. This is how Betternet works for free with no ads but covers its costs from promoters who pay Betternet in return for recommendation.
You can install Betternet to your Android or iOS mobile devices from the links provided below, or go to the download page to get a version for browser extensions or the Windows desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet is not the only VPN service as there're plenty of them in the market, some free with ads and some that you need to pay for, including several best paid VPN services reviewed by Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free Mobile App of the Week
Betternet
For Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details"id=com.freevpnintouch
For iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/id946659216"mt=8
Author, Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily Tech Treats,
August 29 2015
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
LOL, want me to get it, and then dropbox it? Note takers are strong enough to hold on. Oh, this offer goes to anyone. I'm willing to download anything, and then dropbox it.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message ----- From: Mohamed <malhajamy@gmail.com> To: TechTalk@groups.io Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Now if only I had an internet connection with my VM, I'd test it out in there first.
On 08/31/15 05:05 PM, Carlos wrote:
Indeed, that is a big concern with CNET downloads these days.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
I'm concerned about the windows download, it goes to CNET downloads, and I'm concerned that there may be adware bundled with it.
On 08/31/15 02:17 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,
Below is an app I came across that might benefit some of you.
Fact of the day:
Splenda was an insecticide that became a sweetener when an assistant
misheard an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things to ponder:
Why is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It Actually Turns on?
One Touch to Unblock Websites | For some reasons you may not be able to visit a website due to restrictions by service providers or censorship by institutions or governments at your location. However, these geo limitations can easily be overcome by average users. How easily? Hey, it is just a tap on the screen.
On a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap the "Connect" button, you can then unblock and access all websites and services including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or other websites banned at your location or workplace. Simple as that.
What this app provides is a free unlimited Virtual Private Network (VPN) service. It detects your location automatically and connects you to the nearest server that can access all websites and services, therefore bypassing your default server that may restrict your access right.
Besides encrypting your data for security, this app also allows you to surf the Web anonymously. It changes your IP address so that your online identity is anonymous and internet activity is hidden. With this, you can gain access to geo restricted services such as Netflix that limits its availability to some countries only.
Better still, this app does not impose irritating ads on the web pages you're browsing, though it does occasionally recommend third party apps to you. This is how Betternet works for free with no ads but covers its costs from promoters who pay Betternet in return for recommendation.
You can install Betternet to your Android or iOS mobile devices from the links provided below, or go to the download page to get a version for browser extensions or the Windows desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet is not the only VPN service as there're plenty of them in the market, some free with ads and some that you need to pay for, including several best paid VPN services reviewed by Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free Mobile App of the Week
Betternet
For Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details"id=com.freevpnintouch
For iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/id946659216"mt=8
Author, Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily Tech Treats,
August 29 2015
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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I can definitely see that being a problem if you are either personally running or subscribed to many lists.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <TechTalk@groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Hi,
Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at the
time, that's different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
LOL!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> To: TechTalk@groups.io Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that there's really much which can be done about cross posting. I believe this problem may come back to Gene's and other's concerns about too many lists causing user fragmentation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened Hi, Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech list, but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at the time, that's different. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com> To: TechTalk@groups.io Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech. ----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes poopoo. So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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.Opinions wanted: Should I install the upcoming updates?
Hi,
I would like opinions on whether or not to install the updates from Apple, when they are released in a few weeks?
Is the current beta stable
Thanks,
Jessica
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Indeed, the former is technically not considered cross posting, while the
latter is traditionally what is classified as such. And of course not every
admin is subscribed to every list so it would be difficult to justify
penalizing members for this.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com> To: <TechTalk@groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened Hi,
Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list, but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's
literally literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one
lists at the time, that's different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or
six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not
show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility which will
somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to do this
would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
Hi,
Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech list, but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at the time, that's different.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message ----- From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com> To: TechTalk@groups.io Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened
Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Now if only I had an internet connection with my VM, I'd test it out
in there first.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 08/31/15 05:05 PM, Carlos wrote:
Indeed, that is a big concern
with CNET downloads these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31,
2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1
Touch to Unblock Websites
I'm concerned about the windows download, it goes to CNET
downloads, and I'm concerned that there may be adware bundled
with it.
On 08/31/15 02:17 PM, Mike B.
wrote:
Hi All,
Below is an app I came across that might
benefit some of you.
Fact of the day:
Splenda was an insecticide that became a
sweetener when an assistant
misheard an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things to ponder:
Why is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It
Actually Turns on?
One Touch to Unblock Websites | For some
reasons you may not be able to visit a website due to
restrictions by service providers or censorship by
institutions or governments at your location. However,
these geo limitations can easily be overcome by average
users. How easily? Hey, it is just a tap on the screen.
On a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap the “Connect” button, you can then
unblock and access all websites and services including
Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or other websites banned at
your location or workplace. Simple as that.
What this app provides is a free unlimited
Virtual Private Network (VPN) service. It detects your
location automatically and connects you to the nearest
server that can access all websites and services,
therefore bypassing your default server that may
restrict your access right.
Besides encrypting your data for security,
this app also allows you to surf the Web anonymously. It
changes your IP address so that your online identity is
anonymous and internet activity is hidden. With this,
you can gain access to geo restricted services such as
Netflix that limits its availability to some countries
only.
Better still, this app does not impose
irritating ads on the web pages you’re browsing, though
it does occasionally recommend third party apps to you.
This is how Betternet works for free with no ads but
covers its costs from promoters who pay Betternet in
return for recommendation.
You can install Betternet to your Android or
iOS mobile devices from the links provided below, or go
to the download page to
get a version for browser extensions or the Windows
desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet is not the only VPN service as
there’re plenty of them in the market, some free with
ads and some that you need to pay for, including several
best paid VPN services reviewed by Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free Mobile App of the
Week
Betternet
For Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freevpnintouch
For iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/id946659216?mt=8
Author,
Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily Tech Treats,
August
29 2015
Take care.
Mike
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Indeed, that is a big concern with CNET downloads
these days.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:56
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to
Unblock Websites
I'm concerned about the windows download, it goes to CNET
downloads, and I'm concerned that there may be adware bundled with it.
On 08/31/15 02:17 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi
All,
Below
is an app I came across that might benefit some of you.
Fact
of the day:
Splenda
was an insecticide that became a sweetener when an assistant
misheard
an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things
to ponder:
Why
is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It Actually Turns
on?
One
Touch to Unblock Websites | For
some reasons you may not be able to visit a website due to restrictions by
service providers or censorship by institutions or governments at your
location. However, these geo limitations can easily be overcome by average
users. How easily? Hey, it is just a tap on the
screen.
On
a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap
the “Connect” button, you can then unblock and access all websites and
services including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or other websites banned at
your location or workplace. Simple as that.
What
this app provides is a free unlimited Virtual Private Network (VPN) service.
It detects your location automatically and connects you to the nearest
server that can access all websites and services, therefore bypassing your
default server that may restrict your access right.
Besides
encrypting your data for security, this app also allows you to surf the Web
anonymously. It changes your IP address so that your online identity is
anonymous and internet activity is hidden. With this, you can gain access to
geo restricted services such as Netflix that limits its availability to some
countries only.
Better
still, this app does not impose irritating ads on the web pages you’re
browsing, though it does occasionally recommend third party apps to you.
This is how Betternet works for free with no ads but covers its costs from
promoters who pay Betternet in return for
recommendation.
You
can install Betternet to your Android or iOS mobile devices from the links
provided below, or go to the download page to
get a version for browser extensions or the Windows
desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet
is not the only VPN service as there’re plenty of them in the market, some
free with ads and some that you need to pay for, including several best paid
VPN services reviewed by Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free
Mobile App of the Week
Betternet
For
Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freevpnintouch
For
iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/id946659216?mt=8
Author,
Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily Tech Treats,
August
29 2015
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go
Dodgers!
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
I'm concerned about the windows download, it goes to CNET downloads,
and I'm concerned that there may be adware bundled with it.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 08/31/15 02:17 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi
All,
Below
is an app I came across that might benefit some of you.
Fact
of the day:
Splenda
was an insecticide that became a sweetener when an
assistant
misheard
an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things
to ponder:
Why
is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It Actually Turns on?
One
Touch to Unblock Websites | For some reasons you may not be able to visit a
website due to restrictions by service providers or
censorship by institutions or governments at your location.
However, these geo limitations can easily be overcome by
average users. How easily? Hey, it is just a tap on the
screen.
On
a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap
the “Connect” button, you can then unblock and access all
websites and services including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube
or other websites banned at your location or workplace.
Simple as that.
What
this app provides is a free unlimited Virtual Private
Network (VPN) service. It detects your location
automatically and connects you to the nearest server that
can access all websites and services, therefore bypassing
your default server that may restrict your access right.
Besides
encrypting your data for security, this app also allows you
to surf the Web anonymously. It changes your IP address so
that your online identity is anonymous and internet activity
is hidden. With this, you can gain access to geo restricted
services such as Netflix that limits its availability to
some countries only.
Better
still, this app does not impose irritating ads on the web
pages you’re browsing, though it does occasionally recommend
third party apps to you. This is how Betternet works for
free with no ads but covers its costs from promoters who pay
Betternet in return for recommendation.
You
can install Betternet to your Android or iOS mobile devices
from the links provided below, or go to the download
page to get a version for browser extensions
or the Windows desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet
is not the only VPN service as there’re plenty of them in
the market, some free with ads and some that you need to pay
for, including several best paid VPN services reviewed by
Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free Mobile App
of the Week
Betternet
For Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freevpnintouch
For iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/id946659216?mt=8
Author, Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily
Tech Treats,
August 29 2015
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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Re: How to reply privately
Nah, as I said before, it doesn't appear that it places the cursor,
or whatever it is that moves about when you're pressing tab, to the
same location every time you open a new message. As an example, when
I opened up this last message from you and pressed shift+tab, it
took me to a terms of service link. From here, yes, I can press tab
once to get to the from header, but, It doesn't always place me in
the same position, especially once I close and re-open the client
later on to check my messages. this isn't something new though, not
in any of the previous versions of NVDA or tb at least.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 8/31/2015 3:31 PM, Gene wrote:
My later message should allow you to get to the from line
very easily. I don't know why you are seeng the send message as
unavailable.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
Just went to check, and no, that doesn't work here inside tb for
me. Although it does announce the from header as a sub-menu,
pressing any of the arrows, or space doesn't appear to open it.
Pressing the applications key on this sub-menu does bring up the
menu as you describe, however, the portion of that menu that
contains the email address, NVDA announces it as unavailable. Two
ways I can see from this menu to grab the address would be to
still use NVDA's mark and copy feature from flat review, or,
there's another option a few down that says, copy email address.
I'm guessing that this would copy it directly to the clipboard.
I'm honestly not sure which one ends up being faster, but, I'll
add that for me at least, I've found more frustrations in actually
getting to where the headers begin. I'd at first thought that if
you use control end to jump to the end of the message, and then
press tab, it should land you on the beginning of the headers,
but, this doesn't always work here. More often than not, I end up
having to press tab a few times, depending on the length of the
message, to actually reach the from header to copy the address.
Tc.
Blessings.
On 8/31/2015 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use Thunderbird but I have it on my machine so I
can try to see how things are done. I hate to tell you, but
you have been doing things the hard way.
Open the message, shift tab to the from field, and then
open the context menu. Up or down arrow, I think up arrowing
is faster but I didn't check carefully, and you will get to an
item that says something like send a message to. but instead
of just stopping on that item, it would be a good idea to go
through the entire menu and see what options, in addition to
the send message option, are available. When you are working
with something and you can't see an easy way to do something,
or even if you can see an easy way, opening the context menu
and looking around is a good idea. I'm speaking in general,
not just Thunderbird.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
Are you referring to a laptop layout command when you
discuss the NVDA shift down arrow command? I'm not sure what
that command would be on the desktop layout. I suspect the
desktop command is insert numpad down arrow.
Gene
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to reply privately
It's pretty much the same in tb, just a few things of note to
keep in mind, at least with NVDA. NVDA has always had some kind
of strange issue with keeping focus within those areas inside
the message headers, so, using the normal commands to move about
through the field to copy them may not work or give you response
as expected. Rather, I find it easier to use NVDA's ability to
copy the text from flat review and then the NVDA command to
place that in the clipboard. For me, when I tab to the field
that contains the sender's address, it has it displayed as a
menu, so I have to first enter that object using the NVDA+shift
down arrow command. From here. I can set the start of where I
wish to copy with NVDA+f9, use flat review to move to the end of
the address and NVDA+f10 to copy it to the clipboard.
Hope this helps, and tc.
Blessings.
On 8/31/2015 7:58 AM, Gene wrote:
Considering how many times over the years, I see blind
people on different lists not know how to respond privately
to someone, here are instructions that will work on some,
perhaps many, e-mail programs.
Be on the message in the message list.
Open the message properties with alt enter, that is, hold
alt and press enter.
Issue the command control tab.
Try down arrowing. If you can't down arrow, tab once.
Now try down arrowing again. If you have to tab once, do
that every time you follow this procedure before down
arrowing.
Now start down arrowing through the message headers.
There will be a lot of information but you will find a
line that says from and then gives the address of the
sender.
Move to the start of the address.
Then use the command shift end to select it.
Copy it to the clipboard.
Close properties with escape.
Then start a new message and paste the address into the
clipboard.
Some e-mail lists won't display the original sender's
address in the properties or anywhere else but many lists
do.
It would be a good idea if people would send instructions
about how to reply privately with different e-mail
programs. I know the method I gave works in Outlook
Express, Windows Live Mail and, presumably Windows Mail. I
don't know if it works in Word or Thunderbird.
Gene
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Unfortunately, I'm not sure that there's
really much which can be done about cross posting. I believe this
problem may come back to Gene's and other's concerns about too many lists
causing user fragmentation.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:31
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What
happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact
that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all
over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than
five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do
not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility
which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to
do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal. Indeed it
is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference
of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators
of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40
PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What
happened
Wow, I don’t’
check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes
poopoo.
So is this list
actually active?
All sorts of drama
on BlindTech.
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Not that I am aware of, but any such utility would
probably have to implement some kind of filtering and would most likely have to
work as a proxy between your mail account and client.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:31
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What
happened
Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact
that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all
over the place. It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than
five or six times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do
not show up here. This prompts a question. Is there a utility
which will somehow delete cross posted messages? Setting up filters to
do this would be a huge undertaking.
Don Roberts
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal. Indeed it
is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a difference
of opinion in the art of list management with the owner/moderators
of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40
PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What
happened
Wow, I don’t’
check the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything goes
poopoo.
So is this list
actually active?
All sorts of drama
on BlindTech.
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Re: 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Also remember that when you're connected to the VPN, keep an eye out on what types of traffic you send through it, most especially in using services like your bank, etc. Before my wife moved here to the states, she was using a similar service to bypass restrictions placed on the Canadian version of netflix, to get access to stuff that we had here on her phone. Even on the documentation pages for the free service, it warned against keeping the VPN enabled while making things like bank transactions.
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On 8/31/2015 2:00 PM, rajmund wrote: Hi,
Well, while I have no mainstream yet, it'll be quicker than the apex loading web pages.
Sent from a BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:43:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Also, it is worth noting that proxy servers and VPNs will add latency to
your connection and may slow down your browsing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: <TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
MMM, not necessarily. In theory such services make you anonymous, but
they may be legally required to release information under certain
circumstances.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: re: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Hi,
This raises a question. If I'm on a unique
IP address, does this mean I can do whatever, and I will not be caught?
Sent from a BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:17:36 -0700
Subject: [TechTalk] 1 Touch to Unblock Websites
Hi All,
Below is an app I came across that might benefit some of you.
Fact of the day:
Splenda was an insecticide that became a sweetener when an assistant
misheard an order to "test" it as "taste" it.
Things to ponder:
Why is an Alarm Clock Going "off" when It Actually Turns on?
One Touch to Unblock Websites | For some reasons you may not be able to
visit a website due to restrictions by service providers or censorship by
institutions or governments at your location. However, these geo
limitations
can easily be overcome by average users. How easily? Hey, it is just a
tap
on the screen.
On a mobile device, install and run this app,
Betternet
tap the "Connect" button, you can then unblock and access all websites
and
services including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or other websites banned at
your location or workplace. Simple as that.
What this app provides is a free unlimited Virtual Private Network (VPN)
service. It detects your location automatically and connects you to the
nearest server that can access all websites and services, therefore
bypassing your default server that may restrict your access right.
Besides encrypting your data for security, this app also allows you to
surf
the Web anonymously. It changes your IP address so that your online
identity
is anonymous and internet activity is hidden. With this, you can gain
access
to geo restricted services such as Netflix that limits its availability
to
some countries only.
Better still, this app does not impose irritating ads on the web pages
you're
browsing, though it does occasionally recommend third party apps to you.
This is how Betternet works for free with no ads but covers its costs
from
promoters who pay Betternet in return for recommendation.
You can install Betternet to your Android or iOS mobile devices from the
links provided below, or go to the download page to get a version for
browser extensions or the Windows desktop.
https://www.betternet.co/#download
Betternet is not the only VPN service as there're plenty of them in the
market, some free with ads and some that you need to pay for, including
several best paid VPN services reviewed by Gizmo here.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-vpn-services.htm
Free Mobile App of the Week
Betternet
For Android Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freevpnintouch
For iPhone and iPad Download:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unlimited-free-vpn-by-betternet/i
d946659216?mt=8
Author, Jojo Yee from Gizmo Daily Tech Treats,
August 29 2015
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the
fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross
posting all over the place. It is not unusual to see the same
message no fewer than five or six times on various lists. And I
hope that those cross posts do not show up here. This prompts a
question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross posted
messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.
Don Roberts
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:
Welcome to the list Cristóbal.
Indeed it is active. We currently have about 98 members.
LOL let's just say that I had a
difference of opinion in the art of list management with the
owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31,
2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What
happened
Wow, I don’t’ check
the lists for a couple of days and apparently everything
goes poopoo.
So is this list
actually active?
All sorts of drama on
BlindTech.
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