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Re: face book

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Wow!
It works now. Lol.
I swear it never worked before.
Thank you

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] face book

Hi, if you go to Notifications or privacy and settings at the end You enter
or click on that option and you will get "general, security, block etc..
then you get notifications.
There you have options to receive your notices facebook, e mail, text or ap
Then tab to save.
Sugar

'I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

Sugar


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] face book

I haven't received email notification in years. I don't see it anywhere on
the site where to check such an option.

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] face book

Hi everyone
As of today I am no longer receiving my notifications with facebook.
I had always received them by via e mail. I have checked the notifications
and everything is checked correctly Just wondering if I am the only one or
is anyone who is on face book not getting their notifications by via e mail
as well?
Sorry if this is off topic
sugar

"May you by your good life show your works in the gentleness of wisdom.
James 3:13"
-Sugar


Re: my dell laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

On 12/23/2016 9:21 PM, Carlos wrote:
I'll take your word for it since I almost never purchase laptops.


Re: face book

Sugar
 

Hi, if you go to Notifications or privacy and settings at the end
You enter or click on that option and you will get "general, security, block
etc.. then you get notifications.
There you have options to receive your notices facebook, e mail, text or ap
Then tab to save.
Sugar

'I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the
night.

Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] face book

I haven't received email notification in years. I don't see it anywhere on
the site where to check such an option.

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] face book

Hi everyone
As of today I am no longer receiving my notifications with facebook.
I had always received them by via e mail. I have checked the notifications
and everything is checked correctly Just wondering if I am the only one or
is anyone who is on face book not getting their notifications by via e mail
as well?
Sorry if this is off topic
sugar

"May you by your good life show your works in the gentleness of wisdom.
James 3:13"
-Sugar


Re: face book

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I haven't received email notification in years. I don't see it anywhere on
the site where to check such an option.

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sugar
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] face book

Hi everyone
As of today I am no longer receiving my notifications with facebook.
I had always received them by via e mail. I have checked the notifications
and everything is checked correctly Just wondering if I am the only one or
is anyone who is on face book not getting their notifications by via e mail
as well?
Sorry if this is off topic
sugar

"May you by your good life show your works in the gentleness of wisdom.
James 3:13"
-Sugar


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I had a plain old Dell that lasted nine years, probably
would have lasted longer if XP had. I then bought a used
Dell with XP to tide me over until Windows 10 came along. I
was having more and more trouble with Internet Explorer
though. I have a friend who still has an XP, and I guess all
she uses the net for is emailing, but the thing works. Her
geek went to the Salvation Army, got one, and with it and
parts from hers, got it working again the last time it
collapsed.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics
written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but
choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact
make a difference in my experience. Although of course you
are always subject to sheer bad luck.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc
support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that
last for eight or ten years, perhaps more. I am talking
about desktops. I've heard the statement from at least one
computer advisor that five years is the length of time that
a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing
much or any maintenance. I suspect this is some sort of
average or mean figure. but I've seen enough people say
their machines are considerably older than five years not to
be convinced that custom built machines last longer.
From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to
last, custom built or not.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc
support.

Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...> >
wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know
this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer
is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it
will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since
2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it
last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to
spend.


Re: A Christmas message

Carolyn Arnold
 

Indeed, blessed Christmas to all of you and I hope that the
upcoming year is good to you.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] A Christmas message

Hello everyone.

Since it is Christmas Eve in some parts of the world, may I
now take the opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas and a
happy and peaceful new year. Christmas begins in the UK in
just over five hours time. Yay!

Best wishes Chris


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

There are incompetent and poor techs all over.  You have to talk with the person who will work on your machine and it helps if you get good recommendations.  You can cite  bad experiences and I can cite good ones.  I had a tech work on one of my machines a number of years ago who had no pre or misconceptions about assistive software.  I had another tech help me years ago by setting up one of my machines to be dual boot.  He also had no pre or misconceptsions about adaptive software.  An example here or there doesn't indicate any necessary pattern or outcome.  I wouldn't let someone work on a machine unless I had talked with the person enough to decide if I had confidence in him or her.  But I wouldn't assume that just because a tech knows what adaptive tech is that they are generally competent either.  there is no connection and, while I'm sure there are many good techs, there are many questionable ones as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I’ve had various people who are called techs who work in regular computer places look at anything they don’t recognize, including screenreading software, and call it malware.  I also was on the line with somebody from Dell, and because I am on a lot of email lists, when a bunch of email came in, the guy said I was getting a mailbox full of spam.  I told him it was not spam, that I was on a lot of email lists, and he didn’t seem to know what I was talking about.  He called blindtech spam.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
Changing resolution may impair the reading of the screen in certain programs but it won't stop the screen-reader from working.  I would never limit myself to the small number of techs who know a little about adaptive equipment.  I don't know how competent they are, I don't know how their work compares in general with competent techs who don't have such knowledge.  A good reputable shop won't do the kind of damage you are describing if you speak with whomever is going to do the work.  the user has a certain amount of responsibility to inform techs not to alter adaptive equipment and not to upgrade any programs because doing so might not allow the programs to work with screen-readers.  Also, techs should not be instructed to add any programs or utilities without the express permission of the owner.  Adding certain antimalware programs, for example, might place inaccessible programs on the machine.  the blind owner should give clear instructions as to how to unload adaptive software if it runs automatically at boot up. 
 
I haven't done this but it might be a good idea to have certain things in writing such as that if a tech upgrades a program or places a program on a computer without the owner's permission, then the expense of undoing such changes will be borne by the shop or the tech or whomever is being hired and no charge for time or labor for the initial installation of such programs or upgrades will be assessed. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
They do have to know what the screenreader is, though; and that it’s not junk to be disposed of, or a virus.  And they have to not mess with display settings and all, or anything that would make the screenreader not work right.  That’s why I say it’s better to have somebody who at least knows a little about them.  Pam.
 
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

Well the light house for the blind here a sub division of the blind services of Florida will give you independent living help from cooking to teaching braille to learning to use a PC with the screen reader of your choice  or they will teach you to use Mac. You first have to get approved thru the blind Services and then they send you to the light house of the blind. Now for trouble shooting computers and working on them and stuff . I don’t know if they have someone there doing that or they have a place of business that they contract with or send you to.  They not usually in the business of fixing computers and phones and equipment . they usually contract with someone or have someone they send you too. Since I usually do my own Pc trouble shooting I never had a need for that kind of service.  If it was hardware related on my computer and I did not feel comfortable doing it myself I just backed up my data and then let them go at it.  I usually uninstall any A T products I have on it or disable them. And when I get it back I put them on it.

As usually you don’t need to know anything about  a screen reader to work on a PC. 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Also, will they provide technical support if you're experiencing problems with a computer or other devices?  That was the original issue being discussed.

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Gene,

Referring to the email I sent out, no this is not related to my work, but it is related to living independently.  The department of rehab where I live does not only serve people who are a student or who are employed.  Blind people do live independently, and you should know this yourself.  I can schedule an appointment with a tech volunteer to meet at their office, and learn about a computer or an iPhone.  This service is free.  If I need more extensive training, the department of rehab will open my case as they would do for anyone because this is the service they provide.  It is called independent living skills.  Where the computer comes in is: people do need a computer to shop online, pay bills online, manage accounts online and other business accounts online, communicate through email, fill out forms online, check personal status online, refill meds online, look up important and personal info online, schedule appointments online, schedule deliveries online, read mail and etc.  It is the same as rehab providing mobility lessons, and not only if the person is a student or employed. 

This is very understandable! 

Janet    

.  

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

But is your learning related to your work?  That would be understandable. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Hi Carolyn,
I just realized I  think  I must be fortunate because where I live, I can call blind techy volunteers for an appointment who will help me to learn what I might want to learn on the computer or iPhone.  If I need more tech help, I can call the department of rehab, and they will open a case for me to go to get more extensive computer training.  
Janet


Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

And, they are not set up to contract for us, should we be able or willing to pay for a specific service or for services.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the state is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.
 
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
 
I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.  But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie friend was able to bail me out.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again. You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems. Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers anything through it's office.


On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Andrew <edrew@... <mailto:edrew@...> > wrote:

Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms accessability help desk.
I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.
I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal. My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho
Andrew




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Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Lisa Belville
 

Yes, exactly. I didn't have any of that crap on here. I picked it up from the store, plugged it in, put on my demo of JAWS, got that authorized and I was ready to go. The only thing I had to do from scratch was set up my Internet connection.

Just to compare, my parents got a Dell laptop from QVC three years ago. It's only lightly used, but my dad has to install every single windows update regardless of whether he uses it or not. He's gotten a few really nasty viruses and has his desktop so oddly configured that not even my sighted sister with PC experience can navigate it efficiently. I can cut him some slack because he's in his early seventies, but when I try explaining the difference between a browser dialog and a windows dialog and how he doesn't need to download every. single. update from Microsoft I don't want to get argued with just because I'm not using the same set up as he is.

So, in my case, it's really best to have things configured as much as possible because I don't have instant access to knowledgeable eyeballs who can do a lot of hand holding.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
Christmas is weird. It's the only time of year when we love to sit in front of a dead tree and eat candy out of our socks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase
a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly
manage and maintain it's health.
I was thinking about the Office trials, the antivirus software trials, the games, the little dell or HP services you find running in the taskbar, and all that other stuff you tend to find on big box machines.


Re: FILE or folder location is denied

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi John,
yep, everything's fine, did multiple of reboots, everything. since they were corrupted, and they weren't the appdata, all's well. they were application data, which is different to appdata.

On 23/12/2016 9:49 PM, John Gregory wrote:
Rajmund,

The folders you are describing are 'system' folders and are generally
hidden, even when 'show all folders' is selected in the folder view options.
You have evidently enabled the 'show system files and folders' to see these
folders.They are remnants of the old 2000 and NT OS and are required to
preserve compatibility. I would suggest you try to run 'system restore' and
then disable the 'show system files and folders' option so that you are not
tempted to seek access to them. Have you acgtually tried to reboot since
deleting these folders, and did the OS boot?

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: 23 December 2016 19:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Doing some further research, this is the folder that's important, appData. I
can't find anything about application data while researching, however.And
app data is there, safe, and viewable.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to
delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? And do you have
system restore working, which will probably restore the folder and files, if
needed? It is bad procedure to play around in this way unless you either
know that it is safe or have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that
they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing possible,
delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they have now. Since I can
open everything absolutely everything else, I think something corrupted
somewhere. I presume it'll recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question
which that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some
instructions I wrote a while back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of
the files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself
full permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F /t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like "TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to
close and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select "OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to reopen the "Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-
denied I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of
these changes, it gives an error along the lines of Error applying
security dialog, error occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact
text if need be. Anyone has any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on
which I don't install things myself is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense












Re: FILE or folder location is denied

John Gregory <stratplayer@...>
 

Rajmund,

The folders you are describing are 'system' folders and are generally
hidden, even when 'show all folders' is selected in the folder view options.
You have evidently enabled the 'show system files and folders' to see these
folders.They are remnants of the old 2000 and NT OS and are required to
preserve compatibility. I would suggest you try to run 'system restore' and
then disable the 'show system files and folders' option so that you are not
tempted to seek access to them. Have you acgtually tried to reboot since
deleting these folders, and did the OS boot?

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: 23 December 2016 19:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Doing some further research, this is the folder that's important, appData. I
can't find anything about application data while researching, however.And
app data is there, safe, and viewable.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to
delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? And do you have
system restore working, which will probably restore the folder and files, if
needed? It is bad procedure to play around in this way unless you either
know that it is safe or have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that
they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's
instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing possible,
delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they have now. Since I can
open everything absolutely everything else, I think something corrupted
somewhere. I presume it'll recreate them when it needs them.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied



The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question
which that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some
instructions I wrote a while back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of
the files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself
full permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F /t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following
instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like "TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to
close and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select "OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to reopen the "Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-
denied I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of
these changes, it gives an error along the lines of Error applying
security dialog, error occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact
text if need be. Anyone has any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on
which I don't install things myself is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense









Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Pamela Dominguez
 

I’ve had various people who are called techs who work in regular computer places look at anything they don’t recognize, including screenreading software, and call it malware.  I also was on the line with somebody from Dell, and because I am on a lot of email lists, when a bunch of email came in, the guy said I was getting a mailbox full of spam.  I told him it was not spam, that I was on a lot of email lists, and he didn’t seem to know what I was talking about.  He called blindtech spam.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
Changing resolution may impair the reading of the screen in certain programs but it won't stop the screen-reader from working.  I would never limit myself to the small number of techs who know a little about adaptive equipment.  I don't know how competent they are, I don't know how their work compares in general with competent techs who don't have such knowledge.  A good reputable shop won't do the kind of damage you are describing if you speak with whomever is going to do the work.  the user has a certain amount of responsibility to inform techs not to alter adaptive equipment and not to upgrade any programs because doing so might not allow the programs to work with screen-readers.  Also, techs should not be instructed to add any programs or utilities without the express permission of the owner.  Adding certain antimalware programs, for example, might place inaccessible programs on the machine.  the blind owner should give clear instructions as to how to unload adaptive software if it runs automatically at boot up. 
 
I haven't done this but it might be a good idea to have certain things in writing such as that if a tech upgrades a program or places a program on a computer without the owner's permission, then the expense of undoing such changes will be borne by the shop or the tech or whomever is being hired and no charge for time or labor for the initial installation of such programs or upgrades will be assessed. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
They do have to know what the screenreader is, though; and that it’s not junk to be disposed of, or a virus.  And they have to not mess with display settings and all, or anything that would make the screenreader not work right.  That’s why I say it’s better to have somebody who at least knows a little about them.  Pam.
 
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

Well the light house for the blind here a sub division of the blind services of Florida will give you independent living help from cooking to teaching braille to learning to use a PC with the screen reader of your choice  or they will teach you to use Mac. You first have to get approved thru the blind Services and then they send you to the light house of the blind. Now for trouble shooting computers and working on them and stuff . I don’t know if they have someone there doing that or they have a place of business that they contract with or send you to.  They not usually in the business of fixing computers and phones and equipment . they usually contract with someone or have someone they send you too. Since I usually do my own Pc trouble shooting I never had a need for that kind of service.  If it was hardware related on my computer and I did not feel comfortable doing it myself I just backed up my data and then let them go at it.  I usually uninstall any A T products I have on it or disable them. And when I get it back I put them on it.

As usually you don’t need to know anything about  a screen reader to work on a PC. 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Also, will they provide technical support if you're experiencing problems with a computer or other devices?  That was the original issue being discussed.

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Gene,

Referring to the email I sent out, no this is not related to my work, but it is related to living independently.  The department of rehab where I live does not only serve people who are a student or who are employed.  Blind people do live independently, and you should know this yourself.  I can schedule an appointment with a tech volunteer to meet at their office, and learn about a computer or an iPhone.  This service is free.  If I need more extensive training, the department of rehab will open my case as they would do for anyone because this is the service they provide.  It is called independent living skills.  Where the computer comes in is: people do need a computer to shop online, pay bills online, manage accounts online and other business accounts online, communicate through email, fill out forms online, check personal status online, refill meds online, look up important and personal info online, schedule appointments online, schedule deliveries online, read mail and etc.  It is the same as rehab providing mobility lessons, and not only if the person is a student or employed. 

This is very understandable! 

Janet    

.  

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

But is your learning related to your work?  That would be understandable. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

 

Hi Carolyn,
I just realized I  think  I must be fortunate because where I live, I can call blind techy volunteers for an appointment who will help me to learn what I might want to learn on the computer or iPhone.  If I need more tech help, I can call the department of rehab, and they will open a case for me to go to get more extensive computer training.  
Janet


Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

And, they are not set up to contract for us, should we be able or willing to pay for a specific service or for services.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

That’s not what happens in the real world.  When you are a client, the state is paying the agency to train you and do all they are supposedly supposed to.  When you are no longer a client, there is no money coming there way concerning you.  So, they couldn’t care less!  Pam.
 
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
 
I strongly disagree.  A blindness rehab agency should go out of its way to help a blind computer user who requests technical assistance, even if he is not a client.  I wouldn’t expect their technology specialist to visit my home or spend a lot of time over the phone trying to resolve my problem.  But it is not unreasonable for them to at least recommend a reputable local service technician who is familiar with screen reader software and other issues relevant to blind computer users. After all, if you can’t get help from a blindness agency, where else can you turn?  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 
There is no reason for rehab to help people who are not clients.  I don't mind reasonable criticism of rehab agencies but this is not reasonable.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.
 

thats voac rehab fore you totally useless



On 12/21/2016 2:30 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:



In my experience, contacting a blindness rehab agency and asking one of their technology trainers for help is usually fruitless unless you have an open case with them.  A few years ago when my old XP computer died I tried contacting the technology trainer at the rehab center who had originally set it up for me in my apartment a few years earlier when I was still working with them, but he ignored my pleas for help.  I even contacted their director of community services and was basically told to take a hike because they could not offer any assistance or even recommend a knowledgeable service technician unless I had an open case.  Thank goodness my techie friend was able to bail me out.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Hello andrew, it is good to know that your computers up and working again. You're us in for future support I'm trying to get things fixed eventually, I would recommend looking at Best Buy or Staples or a local computer shop in your area. If it is blindness related, I would see is there any blindness trainers in your area, dad have interest in maybe helping fix your problems. Any of the services that I've mentioned above Will cost but very well worth it in the end. If you don't know how to find a good blemish related trainer in your area, I would looking contacting your local dollars office.. offers anything through it's office.


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Hi Carlos and all, I’m asking this because I recently made a call to ms accessability help desk.
I needed help updating my security update for my Office 2010.
I really nice lady helped me but, made no headway. I was sent to escalation. The fellow thought uninstalling my Outlook 2010 would solve this.. He was wrong! It was not a good thing at all. They did more harm than good. With the help of friends, my pc has returned back to somewhat normal. My Outlook 2010 remains fobar.  BTW Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, Ho, Ho
Andrew




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Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Carlos
 

I understand, but just keep in mind that despite the exaggerations as Gene points out, not all big name manufacturers are guilty of this practice. My Dell XPS 8700 did not include any such bloatware.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase
a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly
manage and maintain it's health.
I was thinking about the Office trials, the antivirus software trials, the games, the little dell or HP services you find running in the taskbar, and all that other stuff you tend to find on big box machines.


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase
a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly
manage and maintain it's health.
I was thinking about the Office trials, the antivirus software trials, the games, the little dell or HP services you find running in the taskbar, and all that other stuff you tend to find on big box machines.


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

That's an unfounded generalization based on one experience.  Someone could say, employing the same logical error, I bought a Dell desktop in 2006 and it has worked flawlessly.  I'll never build or have a machine built.  The point is that whatever the merits or disadvantages  of custom-built machines versus manufactured machines, the conclusion is without foundation.
 
Also, manufacturer refurbished machines are new or almost new machines that have been returned.  Often, there is nothing wrong with them.  They are tested and anything that needs to be done is done to bring them up to specifications.  Because of this testing and work, if necessary, they may be more likely to be free of defects than new machines.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Captain Rob, I built my own desktop computers back in 2006; they're still
running with no issues.  I will never ever buy any manufacturer's desktop
computer! 

As for laptops, I'd only purchase refurbished ones after a thorough
examination by me at the point of purchase!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado





Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Carlos
 

I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly manage and maintain it's health. Without such software, you are potentially decreasing it's lifespan. Of course, the average user might not be aware of this point which is why just randomly uninstalling software without knowing it's purpose is not necessarily a good idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I tend to agree. More often the problem for the average user is determining what is actually bloatware and what is simply enhanced software installed by the manufacturer.
If I didn't install it and I don't want it, it's bloatware lol.


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I tend to agree. More often the problem for the average user is determining what is actually bloatware and what is simply enhanced software installed by the manufacturer.
If I didn't install it and I don't want it, it's bloatware lol.


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Carlos
 

I tend to agree.  More often the problem for the average user is determining what is actually bloatware and what is simply enhanced software installed by the manufacturer.  It can be difficult to tell the difference, but a quick Google search will usually reveal the purpose of a particular piece of software.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I wouldn't dispute you about that since you are far more knowledgeable technically.  I wanted to address the subject of bloatware, which was brought up.  It is my impression that desktops have far less bloatware in general than laptops.  But whether that is true or not, there are programs suchas the Decrapifyer, that remove bloatware from machines.  I think that bloatware is exaggerated as a disadvantage in purchasing manufactured machines.  And as far as reinstalling Windows is concerned, I doubt it matters to any extent.  If you have bloatware that is slowing performance or causing annoying things to happen, I would think that removing it or causing it not to run would result in a computer running as well as with a clean reinstallation of Windows.  I await comments of technically knowledgeable users. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Definitely.  I purchase manufacturer produced machines often myself to save time or money, but for the average user, it can sometimes be a gamble as you say since they don't usually know what to look for when it comes to quality of the components.  For the record, my goal is not to discourage users from purchasing manufacturer built machines, but only to point out that it can sometimes make a difference for more knowledgeable users.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 
From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.




Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Captain Rob, I built my own desktop computers back in 2006; they're still
running with no issues. I will never ever buy any manufacturer's desktop
computer!

As for laptops, I'd only purchase refurbished ones after a thorough
examination by me at the point of purchase!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

Hello there!

There are certainly a lot of quality off-the-shelf computers but the one I presently own is a Tiger Direct machine with some updates.  The only real maintenance I have done is to periodically  blow the dust out of it and I have increased the memory  as well as purchasing a new 1 TB HD for it.  Aside from that, it has required absolutley no maintenance at all.  It was built in May of 2012 and I don't think it has really given me any trouble.  The one thing that I do like about custom made machines is that they are or tend to be much more upgradeable. Catch Ya All Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth.  


On 23-Dec-16 15:00, Carlos wrote:
Definitely.  I purchase manufacturer produced machines often myself to save time or money, but for the average user, it can sometimes be a gamble as you say since they don't usually know what to look for when it comes to quality of the components.  For the record, my goal is not to discourage users from purchasing manufacturer built machines, but only to point out that it can sometimes make a difference for more knowledgeable users.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 
From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.





Re: Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene
 

I wouldn't dispute you about that since you are far more knowledgeable technically.  I wanted to address the subject of bloatware, which was brought up.  It is my impression that desktops have far less bloatware in general than laptops.  But whether that is true or not, there are programs suchas the Decrapifyer, that remove bloatware from machines.  I think that bloatware is exaggerated as a disadvantage in purchasing manufactured machines.  And as far as reinstalling Windows is concerned, I doubt it matters to any extent.  If you have bloatware that is slowing performance or causing annoying things to happen, I would think that removing it or causing it not to run would result in a computer running as well as with a clean reinstallation of Windows.  I await comments of technically knowledgeable users. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Definitely.  I purchase manufacturer produced machines often myself to save time or money, but for the average user, it can sometimes be a gamble as you say since they don't usually know what to look for when it comes to quality of the components.  For the record, my goal is not to discourage users from purchasing manufacturer built machines, but only to point out that it can sometimes make a difference for more knowledgeable users.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 
From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.



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