I'll take your word for it since I almost never purchase laptops.

I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase
a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly
manage and maintain it's health.

Rajmund,

The folders you are describing are 'system' folders and are generally
hidden, even when 'show all folders' is selected in the folder view options.
You have evidently enabled the 'show system files and folders' to see these
folders.They are remnants of the old 2000 and NT OS and are required to
preserve compatibility. I would suggest you try to run 'system restore' and
then disable the 'show system files and folders' option so that you are not
tempted to seek access to them. Have you acgtually tried to reboot since
deleting these folders, and did the OS boot?

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rajmund
Sent: 23 December 2016 19:07
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Doing some further research, this is the folder that's important, appData. I
can't find anything about application data while researching, however.And
app data is there, safe, and viewable.



Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to

delete. Wouldn't it have made more sense to ask first? And do you have
system restore working, which will probably restore the folder and files, if
needed? It is bad procedure to play around in this way unless you either
know that it is safe or have a reliable way to revert the machine.

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that

they don't matter is just wreckless.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's

instructions, which got me nowhere, I tried the worse ever thing possible,
delete. At first, they wouldn't even delete, but they have now. Since I can
open everything absolutely everything else, I think something corrupted
somewhere. I presume it'll recreate them when it needs them.

Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question
which that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some
instructions I wrote a while back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of
the files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself
full permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F /t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following

instructions:

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like "TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to
close and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select "OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to reopen the "Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-
denied I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of
these changes, it gives an error along the lines of Error applying
security dialog, error occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact
text if need be. Anyone has any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on
which I don't install things myself is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense

Don't presume when you delete things that you don't know enough about to

Taking actions such as deleting folders or files on the presumption that

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied


OK, here's a theory. After messing with your, and the article's

Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

The key here is to take ownership of the file or folder in question
which that article does mention, but does not actually provide
instructions for doing so as far as I can tell. Here are some
instructions I wrote a while back which might help.

Usually this problem occurs because you have to take ownership of
the files/folders before you can grant yourself full permissions.
Windows does have equivalent commands to chmod.

For example, to take ownership of a specific file and grant yourself
full permissions you could use the following from the command prompt:

takeown /f "C:\folder name\file name.ext&&icacls "C:\folder
name\file name.ext" /grant administrators:F

To do the same with an entire folder, all of it's files and subfolders:

takeown /f "C:\folder" /r /d y&&icacls "C:\folder" /grant
administrators:F /t

If that doesn't work, you can alternatively try the following

1. Highlight the folder in Explorer.

2. Press Alt Enter to access it's properties.

3. Navigate to the
"Security"
tab.

4. Tab to the
"Advanced"
button and select it.

5. See what it says in the
"Owner"
field. If it already says
"Administrators"
proceed to step 9. If it says anything else like "TrustedInstaller"
tab to the
"Change"
link and press the Spacebar to select it.

6. Type
"Administrators"
and select the
"OK"
button.

7. Tab to the
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
checkbox and enable it.

8. Select the
"Apply"
button. After a couple of seconds, you should receive a dialog
which says,

Windows Security
If you have just taken ownership of this object, you will need to
close and reopen this object's properties before you can view or
change permissions.
OK

9. Select the
"OK"
button to close the dialog and then select "OK"
twice more to close the
"Advanced Security Settings"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

10. Again making sure that the folder is highlighted, press Alt
Enter to reopen the "Properties"
dialog.

11. Return to the
"Security"
tab.

12. Select the
"Edit"
button.

13. Select
"Administrators"
from the list.

14. Tab to the
"Allow Full control"
checkbox and enable it.

15. Select the
"Apply"
button.

16. Select the
"OK"
button twice to close the
"Permissions"
and
"Properties"
dialogs respectively.

17. Try doing whatever you were attempting in the folder again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] FILE or folder location is denied

Hello,
I tried fixes 1 and 2 on this article, can't try 3, as there's no
advanced in general,
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/location-is-not-available-access-is-
denied I still can't access it. Every time I try to apply any of
these changes, it gives an error along the lines of Error applying
security dialog, error occurred, deta failed. I can copy the exact
text if need be. Anyone has any ideas? Damn, changing laptops on
which I don't install things myself is hard.

Sent from a Braille Sense

I don't think I can agree with this. Just as an example, when you purchase
a machine with a solid state drive, software is usually included to properly
manage and maintain it's health.

I tend to agree. More often the problem for the average user is determining what is actually bloatware and what is simply enhanced software installed by the manufacturer.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I wouldn't dispute you about that since you are far more knowledgeable technically.  I wanted to address the subject of bloatware, which was brought up.  It is my impression that desktops have far less bloatware in general than laptops.  But whether that is true or not, there are programs suchas the Decrapifyer, that remove bloatware from machines.  I think that bloatware is exaggerated as a disadvantage in purchasing manufactured machines.  And as far as reinstalling Windows is concerned, I doubt it matters to any extent.  If you have bloatware that is slowing performance or causing annoying things to happen, I would think that removing it or causing it not to run would result in a computer running as well as with a clean reinstallation of Windows.  I await comments of technically knowledgeable users. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:00 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Definitely.  I purchase manufacturer produced machines often myself to save time or money, but for the average user, it can sometimes be a gamble as you say since they don't usually know what to look for when it comes to quality of the components.  For the record, my goal is not to discourage users from purchasing manufacturer built machines, but only to point out that it can sometimes make a difference for more knowledgeable users.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 

From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.

Definitely.  I purchase manufacturer produced machines often myself to save time or money, but for the average user, it can sometimes be a gamble as you say since they don't usually know what to look for when it comes to quality of the components.  For the record, my goal is not to discourage users from purchasing manufacturer built machines, but only to point out that it can sometimes make a difference for more knowledgeable users.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 

From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

But I would think there are manufacturers who are known for using quality components in their machines.  And if I buy a machine at a good sale price and it lasts five or six years instead of eight but I've saved two or three hundred dollars, I consider that a good gamble.  the machine might have lasted longer or it might not have but I still consider it a good gamble.  And many tech-savvy purchasers buy manufacturerer refurbished machines as another way to save money. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

I don't believe there are any guidelines or statistics written in stone when it comes to this sort of thing, but choosing and purchasing higher quality parts can in fact make a difference in my experience.  Although of course you are always subject to sheer bad luck.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

A lot of people have manufacture made machines that last for eight or ten years, perhaps more.  I am talking about desktops.  I've heard the statement from at least one computer advisor that five years is the length of time that a computer is considered reliable in terms of not needing much or any maintenance.  I suspect this is some sort of average or mean figure.  but I've seen enough people say their machines are considerably older than five years not to be convinced that custom built machines last longer. 

From 2011 is not unusually long for a machine to last, custom built or not. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:17 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Any recommendations on pc support.

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I strongly suspect, though I don't know this, that the claim that custom made machines last longer is largely or mostly a myth.

If you personally research and buy each part, it will last longer assuming you pick the right ones.
I built my machine and I've had it running since 2011. I am about to build a newer one and I hope to have it last twice as long, since this time I Have more money to spend.