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Re: the google home: early impressions

Robert Kingett <kingettr@...>
 

I wish there was a way we could send text commands to either the echo dot, or GH, and hear the result. I left feedback with Google and amazon. Even if you do not have a speech disability I know SMS INPUT would be a liked feature.


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the google home: early impressions

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hello All,

Alexa has competition. Last November Google introduced its device: the Home. I just got mine set up this afternoon and thought you'd like some early thoughts.

Physically, this unit is perhaps a bit more than the height of the Echo. Its diameter is just a shade smaller, but it tapers a bit as one moves toward the top. The top surface slopes down for an inch or two. This part of the Home is a touch surface. Sliding on it in a clockwise direction increases the audio level. Moving counterclockwise lowers it. Tapping the surface pauses or resumes play.

The lower portion of the Home feels like a cloth mesh. This mesh can be removed and replaced by a mesh, or screen, of a different color.

With this removed, we can see three small speakers. One faces left and one faces right. These are the mid/high-end drivers. The remaining loudspeaker faces forward and is the subwoofer. It is capable of wide cone excursions and can produce considerable low-frequency response down to perhaps 55 Hz. Believe me! this is very impressive, although somewhat boomy at times. Overall, the sound is better than that of the Amazon Echo.

There is no jack for obtaining audio to a sound system. This reminds me of how Apple has removed audio jacks from some of its devices. Audio can still feed a sound system via a small device known as a Google Audio Crhomecast. TV can be supported by a Video Chromecast. (I do not have that unit so cannot discuss it.)

The price of the Google Home is $130. The Audio Chromecast costs $35.

Like the Echo, the Home must be set up using a Google Home app. There are 28 steps to set it up. I had an experienced sighted helper and he got it going in a bit over a half hour.

Again, like the Echo, most items are opened, or linked, via the app. Some services have a monthly charge. Lots of music can be heard at no charge. Pandora and Google Play can be heard that way. If, however, you ask to hear a particular artist, you'll hear him or her but mixed with other artists.

The Audio Chromcast must be linked to the Home. If you give each device its own name, you can hear your selection from the device you ask for when requesting an item.

If no name is called, the sound will emanate from the Home. Like the Echo, the Home uses a wake up word, either Okay Google or Hey Google.

I wish this list could accept attachments. I could have described the equipment in greater detail, and you could have heard the amazing sound this equipment can produce.

This does it for now. I look forward to hearing from others as they experiment with this product. If you find that I made any errors in this presentation, I look forward to knowing about them.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Gene
 

Those not interest in this discussion may want to skip or skim this message.  It is rather long. 
 
Words mean something.  Accurate expression is important. Deprecation, as used here does not mean the same as depreciation.  I gave a link to a good definition yesterday.  Depreciation means the following:
From Dictionary.com
noun
1.
decrease in value due to wear and tear, decay, decline in price, etc.
2.
such a decrease as allowed in computing the value of property for tax purposes.
3.
a decrease in the purchasing or exchange value of money.
4.
a lowering in estimation.

As you see, the only nonbusiness sense of the word is definition 4.  While it can have a somewhat similar meaning, the overlap in meaning is narrow, considering what deprecated means in totality.  Any properly constructed web site will tell you that a browser or something you are running is deprecated.  Depreciation is not used in such contexts, despite a certain overlap in meaning.  It is incorrect useage.
 
Also, deprecated is not as general as a program that is out of vogue.  If it were, it could refer to any program that has lost popularity for any reason. 
If that's what it meant, any program that isn't used much could be termed deprecated.  The word does not mean that.  Here is the full discussion of the meaning in a computer-related sense.
Deprecated means, generally, that  something is acknowledged but discouraged.
In IT, deprecation means that although something is available or allowed, it is not recommended or that, in the case where something must be used, to say it is deprecated means that its failings are recognized. The term may be used with almost any element of IT, including software, hardware, methods, models and practices. 
In computer programming, a deprecated language entity is one that is tolerated or supported but not recommended. For example, a number of elements and attributes are deprecated in HTML 4.0 , meaning that other means of accomplishing the task are preferred. Many deprecated features became obsolete in HTML5, although browsers that support the features may continue to support them. In the Java programming language, a particular method may be deprecated for a given class of objects.
Even general approaches to something can be deprecated. Security through obscurity, for example, is an approach that relies on keeping coding and its potential vulnerabilities hidden, so that flaws are less likely to be detected and exploited. That model, and others such as security through minority and security through obsolescence, are deprecated in favor of security by design, which involves creating systems that are as secure as possible in the first place. 
This was last updated in July 2015
 
Most of your message is self-deprecating sarcasm which has nothing to do with the point under discussion.  It is a sly way of attacking others by saying, I may not know what you think I should know, but I know what I know.  And that is completely irrelevant to the point under discussion. 
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

I'm not a programmer ...  My bad, I ought to have been, but I goofed much
too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved to slice and dice
this English language in as a clear a tone as I can get it.  After all, it's
one of many languages I speak and write well! 

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again, shame on me, never
went beyond BASIC, yikes!  The word "deprecated" was always used to refer to
programs NO LONGER in vogue.  May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE
my way into the English lexicon of another nation with full rights and
responsibilities as she may so demand; nevertheless, I've been known to
CRANK English on both sides of the aisle, American and British! 

Conclusion:  No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader of any thought I
may express, derive, if so desired, the meaning that floats your boat.  For
me, both words work just fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

 





Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Everyone says my husband is a word smith, and he does come
up with punny things and notices words. He said a guy on TV
this afternoon said something about leaving no turn
unstoned.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 5:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT
Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

I'm not a programmer ... My bad, I ought to have been, but
I goofed much too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved
to slice and dice this English language in as a clear a tone
as I can get it. After all, it's one of many languages I
speak and write well!

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again,
shame on me, never went beyond BASIC, yikes! The word
"deprecated" was always used to refer to programs NO LONGER
in vogue. May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE my
way into the English lexicon of another nation with full
rights and responsibilities as she may so demand;
nevertheless, I've been known to CRANK English on both sides
of the aisle, American and British!

Conclusion: No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader
of any thought I may express, derive, if so desired, the
meaning that floats your boat. For me, both words work just
fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


another laptop question: keys that light up

John Gregory <stratplayer@...>
 

Hi Bill,

 

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Alt + F10 combination toggles between ‘Brightest’, ‘Bright’ and ‘Off’ on the latest Dell laptops. However some people say it is FN + F10, so if the Alt + F10 doesn’t work, then try the FN + F10 combination. I also seem to remember that the keyboard backlight uses something like 6.6w, but this figure may or may not be accurate.

 

John.

 


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

I'm not a programmer ... My bad, I ought to have been, but I goofed much
too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved to slice and dice
this English language in as a clear a tone as I can get it. After all, it's
one of many languages I speak and write well!

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again, shame on me, never
went beyond BASIC, yikes! The word "deprecated" was always used to refer to
programs NO LONGER in vogue. May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE
my way into the English lexicon of another nation with full rights and
responsibilities as she may so demand; nevertheless, I've been known to
CRANK English on both sides of the aisle, American and British!

Conclusion: No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader of any thought I
may express, derive, if so desired, the meaning that floats your boat. For
me, both words work just fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: another laptop question: keys that light up

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have heard of that, but do not know if they can be turned
off.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Koppelmann
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] another laptop question: keys that light
up

Hi Everyone,
I think that I've now heard it all, I notice3d the other day
that there are lights under the keyboard on my Dell Laptop
that I recently bought, and while I can understand why this
might be, I rather wonder if this takes much battery
strength, and if it's possible to turn the keyboard light
off?
Also, if there are any other things that I might want to
turn off or on on my laptop, I'd appreciate knowing that as
well.
Bill K.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
So if I purchase this product, I could get rid of my slow cooker and
pressure cooker?

Maybe.
I haven't really cooked anything yet in it so I haven't decided if it's worth it or not.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

So if I purchase this product, I could get rid of my slow cooker and
pressure cooker?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there
in this instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

The Instant Pot does many functions. It steams, pressure cooks and slow
cooks. It acts as a yogurt maker and a rice cooker. You can saute init, as
well.
Normally I am rather skeptical about such all in one devices, but it was a
gift, so what the hey.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there in this
instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

The Instant Pot does many functions. It steams, pressure cooks and slow cooks. It acts as a yogurt maker and a rice cooker. You can saute init, as well.
Normally I am rather skeptical about such all in one devices, but it was a gift, so what the hey.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there in this
instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting Timer on Instant Pot

When you use the timer and plus or minus buttons on the pot, what increments
does it go by?


another laptop question: keys that light up

Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Everyone,
I think that I've now heard it all, I notice3d the other day that there are lights under the keyboard on my Dell Laptop that I recently bought, and while I can understand why this might be, I rather wonder if this takes much battery strength, and if it's possible to turn the keyboard light off?
Also, if there are any other things that I might want to turn off or on on my laptop, I'd appreciate knowing that as well.
Bill K.


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

TerriLynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

I like the HIMS notetakers.It seems to me that they are focused on making accessible notetakers that are not necessarily based on a mainstream product, but that work well with such products. For example, the Braille Note Touch uses the m.facebook app. I really despise the m.facebook app because it randomly selects who and what you see. Even going to someone’s wall, timeline, whatever, doesn’t bring up all of their posts. On the other hand, HIMS has written their own app to access the regular facebook pages. I am planning to check out the usability of both notetakers in the near future and hope that doing so will help me to cement my decision on which one I want to own.

 

TerriLynne

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch

 

Anyway, if someone else doing an A.T. device with Braille display  comes
along, will they follow in HumanWare's footprints, or will they somehow
blaze their own trail successfully? I rather suspect however that they too,
will find it necessary to make compromises tso as best to meet their users'
needs with using the facilities of Android.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game
Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

Flor wrote in part:

"You keep on saying 'deprecated'. Do you actually mean, 'depreciated'?"

Same meaning, so it works!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado







Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Flor Lynch
 

Yeah, sure. But I was caught off guard by the repeated use of deprecated in
that way, so that I didn't know whether it was just for rhetorical effect or
not.

This sort of use of deprecated platforms just wouldn't happen in iOS! But
you know, all third-party software developers are left behind the curve if
they're using another branded software upon which to develop their own
products.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game
Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

If we're on a tech list, isn't it better if we learn, if we did not know,
the correct usage of a word, as it relates to computers or other technical
issues?

Bye for now,

Carolyn
...


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

If we're on a tech list, isn't it better if we learn, if we did not know, the correct usage of a word, as it relates to computers or other technical issues?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

I'm not sure what you are saying. I was addressing only one point, that the word depreciated has a different meaning than depricated when deprecated is used in computer jargon and that the proper word should be used. I'm not sure if you are saying that the word deprecated shouldn't be used on the list because people may not understand it properly or confuse it with another word. But I believe that the correct word should be used and explained if the writer thinks it may be misunderstood.

Here is part of a definition for the computer jargon use of the word:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/deprecated
Deprecated means, generally, that something is acknowledged but discouraged.
In IT, deprecation means that although something is available or allowed, it is not recommended or that, in the case where something must be used, to say it is deprecated means that its failings are recognized. The term may be used with almost any element of IT, including software, hardware, methods, models and practices.
The rest of the discussion talks about its use in contexts such as computer languages. those interested may follow the link I provided and read the rest. But an example was given that HTML5 may provide ways of doing things that are better than HTML4 and the HTML4 ways, though they may still work, have been deprecated.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd


And how are most ordinary English-understanding readers here going to know the differences in meaning? (There is no i in the word ‘deprecated’.) ‘Depcecated’ carries more force in ordinary English language usage than it does in computer jargon. What if I said, ‘i deprecate the use of jargon where it it’s not understood?’

HumanWare (in the post from Greg Stilson that I quoted from) have given their reasons for their use of this ‘so-called’ deprecated OS. Now, can you see where use of ordinarily loaded words leads? I’d be rather surprised if Hims (or whoever) doesn’t use a likewise deprecated OS in the Android system when they in their turn develop a touch-screen-based braille note-taker.

Why didn’t Google more seriously develop BrailleBack? Had they done so, there’d be less need for HumanWare et al to try and reinvent the Braille wheel there, not to mention the greater expense that has been incurred on the would-be braille touch-screen device users among us.

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd I wasn't commenting on your post, but rather the comment by Olusegun that both words mean the same thing. Outdated programs aren't depreciated. they are depricated.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd


Gene,

I was talking mainly about deprecate/deprecation which, in its ordinary English sense, means what I’ve outlined previously. Depreciation is also used in computer terminology. I wouldn’t expect many readers here to know that deprecate has a particular meaning when discussing computer tech and computer OS’s and commands.

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd Depreciation means to lose value through use and/or age such as machines used in a business. It does not have the same technical meaning as depricate and I don't think it has any technical meaning in computer jargon.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

In ordinary English, 'deprecate' also means, "to express strong disapproval of; deplore; belittle. "The Teacher should not deprecate his students.'

Anyway, if someone else doing an A.T. device with Braille display comes along, will they follow in HumanWare's footprints, or will they somehow blaze their own trail successfully? I rather suspect however that they too, will find it necessary to make compromises tso as best to meet their users'
needs with using the facilities of Android.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

Flor wrote in part:

"You keep on saying 'deprecated'. Do you actually mean, 'depreciated'?"

Same meaning, so it works!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: new used windows 8 computer, need desperate help

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi,
try this. with narrator on, windows-r. this will bring the run dialog. make sure you know what drive the installer is on. if c, for example,try typing c:. and enter. now, navigate to the file with narrator, and press enter on it. as for the classic shell. I used XP in a VM. I was able to use it fine, before installing classic shell, have a go on it with window eyes, once it's installed.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 05/01/17 3:44 AM, Keith S wrote:
Need a bit of help folks

My wife, without asking around or calling any blind assocations,
purchased a used laptop from her coworker with windows 8 on it as the
OS. He had purchased the computer for his father who had passed away
(probably from using windows 8) and he had reset the computer to the
factory defaults.

To make things "easier" for me, he had set up two accounts which are on
the lock screen when I first turn the computer on. One is Kevin (which I
think is the administrator account) and Tracy (the one for my wife).

both have the same password, and I can access both accounts. I have read
the windows 8 for seniors for dummies book from the bard site from the
library of congress here in the USA.

When I enter the admin account and plug a thumb drive into the computer
there is a notification and narrator (the only screen reader I can
access due to the following issue) :

The notification tells me:

to change the way auto.ini files are dealt with, please click here (or
something like that).

Ummm, I'm blind and narrator doesn't really help

The book I read said that holding dow the windows key plus the z key
would open up a task or tool bar that would allow me to open the drive
and click on the setup file.

that keycombo does nothing though

Besides throwing the computer into the garbage, or worse, throwing it at
my wife or hurling it through a windo at microsoft's HQ, what can I do
to install the classic shell program and the window eyes screen reader.

I heard there is a learning curve to using windows 8 compared from
windows xp, but this is more of a learning roller coaster.

Thanks

Keith


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Flor Lynch
 

Yes, I know that depreciated has a different meaning in computer tech jargon as such. ‘Dated’ or ‘outdated’ would’ve been adequate in the context where Olusegun was (repeatedly) stating his point, to avoid the word sense confusion I have alluded to, where the ordinary language meaning of the word is different and more subjective.  
 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd
I'm not sure what you are saying.  I was addressing only one point, that the word depreciated has a different meaning than depricated when deprecated is used in computer jargon and that the proper word should be used.  I'm not sure if you are saying that the word deprecated shouldn't be used on the list because people may not understand it properly or confuse it with another word.  But I believe that the correct word should be used and explained if the writer thinks it may be misunderstood. 
 
Here is part of a definition for the computer jargon use of the word:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/deprecated
Deprecated means, generally, that  something is acknowledged but discouraged.
In IT, deprecation means that although something is available or allowed, it is not recommended or that, in the case where something must be used, to say it is deprecated means that its failings are recognized. The term may be used with almost any element of IT, including software, hardware, methods, models and practices.
The rest of the discussion talks about its use in contexts such as computer languages.  those interested may follow the link I provided and read the rest.  But an example was given that HTML5 may provide ways of doing things that are better than HTML4 and the HTML4 ways, though they may still work, have been deprecated. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

And how are most ordinary English-understanding readers here going to know the differences in meaning? (There is no i in the word ‘deprecated’.) ‘Depcecated’ carries more force in ordinary English language usage than it does in computer jargon. What if I said, ‘i deprecate the use of jargon where it it’s not understood?’
 
HumanWare (in the post from Greg Stilson that I quoted from) have given their reasons for their use of this ‘so-called’ deprecated OS. Now, can you see where use of ordinarily loaded words leads? I’d be rather surprised if Hims (or whoever) doesn’t use a likewise deprecated OS in the Android system  when they in their turn develop a touch-screen-based braille note-taker.
 
Why didn’t Google more seriously develop BrailleBack? Had they done so, there’d be less need for HumanWare et al to try and reinvent the Braille wheel there, not to mention the greater expense that has been incurred on the would-be braille touch-screen device users among us. 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd
I wasn't commenting on your post, but rather the comment by Olusegun that both words mean the same thing.  Outdated programs aren't depreciated.  they are depricated. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

Gene,
 
I was talking mainly about deprecate/deprecation which, in its ordinary English sense, means what I’ve outlined previously. Depreciation is also used in computer terminology. I wouldn’t expect many readers here to know that deprecate has a particular meaning when discussing computer tech and computer OS’s and commands. 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd
Depreciation means to lose value through use and/or age such as machines used in a business.  It does not have the same technical meaning as depricate and I don't think it has any technical meaning in computer jargon.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd
 
In ordinary English, 'deprecate' also means, "to express strong disapproval
of; deplore; belittle. "The Teacher should not deprecate his students.'

Anyway, if someone else doing an A.T. device with Braille display  comes
along, will they follow in HumanWare's footprints, or will they somehow
blaze their own trail successfully? I rather suspect however that they too,
will find it necessary to make compromises tso as best to meet their users'
needs with using the facilities of Android.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game
Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

Flor wrote in part:

"You keep on saying 'deprecated'. Do you actually mean, 'depreciated'?"

Same meaning, so it works!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado








Re: new used windows 8 computer, need desperate help

John Gregory <stratplayer@...>
 

Hi Keith,

 

What are you trying to run from the thumb drive, given that you said you wanted to run the ‘setup’ file?

 

If the ‘setup’ file is on the thumb drive, it is more than likely that it has been designated  as e: because the system drive would be c: and the CD ROM (if you have one) would probably be D:. So, taking this as a template:

 

1.       Press and hold down the Windows key;

2.       While holding down the Windows key press the letter R;

3.       A ‘run’ dialog will pop up, type the following without the quotes:

 

‘E:’

 

4.       Press the enter key;

5.       The list of files on the thumb drive should appear, arrow down to the file you want to run and press the enter key.

 

If you don’t have a CD ROM in the laptop, then replace the ‘e:’ with ‘d:’.

 

You can apply the above to the ‘c:’ drive as well should you need to do that.

 

HTH

 

John.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: 05 January 2017 03:45
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] new used windows 8 computer, need desperate help

 

Need a bit of help folks

My wife, without asking around or calling any blind assocations, purchased a used laptop from her coworker with windows 8 on it as the OS. He had purchased the computer for his father who had passed away (probably from using windows 8) and he had reset the computer to the factory defaults.

To make things "easier" for me, he had set up two accounts which are on the lock screen when I first turn the computer on. One is Kevin (which I think is the administrator account) and Tracy (the one for my wife).

both have the same password, and I can access both accounts. I have read the windows 8 for seniors for dummies book from the bard site from the library of congress here in the USA.

When I enter the admin account and plug a thumb drive into the computer there is a notification and narrator (the only screen reader I can access due to the following issue) :

The notification tells me:

to change the way auto.ini files are dealt with, please click here (or something like that).

Ummm, I'm blind and narrator doesn't really help

The book I read said that holding dow the windows key plus the z key would open up a task or tool bar that would allow me to open the drive and click on the setup file.

that keycombo does nothing though

Besides throwing the computer into the garbage, or worse, throwing it at my wife or hurling it through a windo at microsoft's HQ, what can I do to install the classic shell program and the window eyes screen reader.

I heard there is a learning curve to using windows 8 compared from windows xp, but this is more of a learning roller coaster.

Thanks

Keith


Re: Blocking email accounts and Thunderbird

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Jean thank you. I figured that might be the case. So we'll see what he says.





On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:23 AM -0600, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

According to Thunderbird support, there is no block address option in Thunderbird. 
The article discusses how to use message filters to manage mail you don't want to see. 
 
One of the first things described is the sighted users' way to move to an address in an opened e-mail and click on it.  Completely irrelevant to blind users.  I don't use Thunderbird but I have a copy on my machine for experimenting with.  I find that the most efficient way to move to the address field for a blind user appears to be the following:
Open the message.
Shift tab once.  Then tab once.
I haven't tested this procedure with other screen-readers.  It works with NVDA. 
Then when you are on the address, open the context menu and find the item for creating a message rule from the message.  If you know how to create message rules, you can then proceed.  If you don't, let the list know as this is the only way to not see mail from a certain address. according to the article I referenced above.

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Blocking email accounts and Thunderbird

Okay, I have a friend who uses Thunderbird, and I need to know how to block email accounts within Thunderbird. Meaning actual email addresses. Does anybody here know how to do this? If it matters, he's using NVDA.





Re: Blocking email accounts and Thunderbird

Gene
 

According to Thunderbird support, there is no block address option in Thunderbird. 
The article discusses how to use message filters to manage mail you don't want to see. 
 
One of the first things described is the sighted users' way to move to an address in an opened e-mail and click on it.  Completely irrelevant to blind users.  I don't use Thunderbird but I have a copy on my machine for experimenting with.  I find that the most efficient way to move to the address field for a blind user appears to be the following:
Open the message.
Shift tab once.  Then tab once.
I haven't tested this procedure with other screen-readers.  It works with NVDA. 
Then when you are on the address, open the context menu and find the item for creating a message rule from the message.  If you know how to create message rules, you can then proceed.  If you don't, let the list know as this is the only way to not see mail from a certain address. according to the article I referenced above.

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Blocking email accounts and Thunderbird

Okay, I have a friend who uses Thunderbird, and I need to know how to block email accounts within Thunderbird. Meaning actual email addresses. Does anybody here know how to do this? If it matters, he's using NVDA.




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