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Re: another laptop question: keys that light up

John Gregory <stratplayer@...>
 

Hi Bill,

Firstly, try the Alt key + F10 key to turn off the keyboard light. If that
doesn't work, then try the FN key + F10 option. The FN key is normally
located to the left of the spacebar. Is there 4 keys to the left of the
spacebar? Normally the one to the far left is the Control key and the one
nearest the spacebar is the Alt key. Now, you should be left with 2 keys in
the middle. Just press the one next to the Control key and if the Start menu
pops up then that is the Windows key. If not, then try the one next to the
Alt key to pop up the Start menu. Whichever pops up the Start menu is the
Windows key, so the one remaining would normally be the FN key. Probably as
clear as mud, but try the various options. Unfortunately I do not have
Windows 8 installed, so cannot exactly say what Narrator will announce when
the Start menu pops up. Incidentally, which version of Windows 8 are you
using, 8 or 8.1? I am assuming it is 8.1 as I don't think 8.0 has a Start
menu as such.

Regarding renaming desktop icons, the simplest way I have found to do this
is to ensure that I am on the desktop by pressing Windows key + M. I can
then use the arrow keys to move between desktop icons. So, assuming you have
pressed Windows key + M and can move to each of the icons on the desktop,
you should be able to rename any of them. Move to the icon you want to
rename and press the F2 key. The name of the icon will appear in an edit box
and you can rename it to whatever you want. Note, the name may be on 2 or 3
lines, so move to the beginning or end and delete unwanted characters and
replace with preferred name. Press Enter to complete the changes and your
icon should be renamed. The only icons I have found that cannot be renamed
are 'Control Panel' and the name of the user, i.e. in my case 'John'.

HTH. Any problems please do ask.

John.

-----Original Message-----
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Bill Koppelmann
Sent: 06 January 2017 07:35
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] another laptop question: keys that light up

Hi John,
that was very helpful, and I'll have to find out how to turn that light
off, but I need to know one thing, where is the fn key on the keyboard,
can you give me any clues, and or can you tell me how I'll know when
I've found it?

One other question while I'm here, I just can't quite seem ti figure
out how to edit the names under the icons on the desktop. As you
probably guessed, you can't press the f2 and be able to edit it that
way. Your help would be most appreciated.
Bill K.


another laptop question: keys that light up

Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@...>
 

Hi John,
that was very helpful, and I'll have to find out how to turn that light off, but I need to know one thing, where is the fn key on the keyboard, can you give me any clues, and or can you tell me how I'll know when I've found it?

One other question while I'm here, I just can't quite seem ti figure out how to edit the names under the icons on the desktop. As you probably guessed, you can't press the f2 and be able to edit it that way. Your help would be most appreciated.
Bill K.


Re: the google home: early impressions

Melissa
 

Got it set up with no sighted assistance required. The app on the
Iphone is easier to use than the alexa app.

On 1/5/17, Melissa <angel.melissa0107@...> wrote:


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Joe Giovanelli <joegio100@...> wrote:

Hello All,

Alexa has competition. Last November Google introduced its device: the
Home. I just got mine set up this afternoon and thought you'd like some
early thoughts.

Physically, this unit is perhaps a bit more than the height of the Echo.
Its diameter is just a shade smaller, but it tapers a bit as one moves
toward the top. The top surface slopes down for an inch or two. This part
of the Home is a touch surface. Sliding on it in a clockwise direction
increases the audio level. Moving counterclockwise lowers it. Tapping the
surface pauses or resumes play.

The lower portion of the Home feels like a cloth mesh. This mesh can be
removed and replaced by a mesh, or screen, of a different color.

With this removed, we can see three small speakers. One faces left and
one faces right. These are the mid/high-end drivers. The remaining
loudspeaker faces forward and is the subwoofer. It is capable of wide cone
excursions and can produce considerable low-frequency response down to
perhaps 55 Hz. Believe me! this is very impressive, although somewhat
boomy at times. Overall, the sound is better than that of the Amazon
Echo.

There is no jack for obtaining audio to a sound system. This reminds me of
how Apple has removed audio jacks from some of its devices. Audio can
still feed a sound system via a small device known as a Google Audio
Crhomecast. TV can be supported by a Video Chromecast. (I do not have that
unit so cannot discuss it.)

The price of the Google Home is $130. The Audio Chromecast costs $35.

Like the Echo, the Home must be set up using a Google Home app. There are
28 steps to set it up. I had an experienced sighted helper and he got it
going in a bit over a half hour.

Again, like the Echo, most items are opened, or linked, via the app. Some
services have a monthly charge. Lots of music can be heard at no charge.
Pandora and Google Play can be heard that way. If, however, you ask to
hear a particular artist, you'll hear him or her but mixed with other
artists.

The Audio Chromcast must be linked to the Home. If you give each device
its own name, you can hear your selection from the device you ask for when
requesting an item.

If no name is called, the sound will emanate from the Home. Like the Echo,
the Home uses a wake up word, either Okay Google or Hey Google.

I wish this list could accept attachments. I could have described the
equipment in greater detail, and you could have heard the amazing sound
this equipment can produce.

This does it for now. I look forward to hearing from others as they
experiment with this product. If you find that I made any errors in this
presentation, I look forward to knowing about them.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Thank you Joe would you be willing to send me an attachment I just got one
for my husband for his birthday and I'm hoping that I can set it up
without cited help thank you so much for your review



Re: the google home: early impressions

Melissa
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Joe Giovanelli <joegio100@...> wrote:

Hello All,

Alexa has competition. Last November Google introduced its device: the Home. I just got mine set up this afternoon and thought you'd like some early thoughts.

Physically, this unit is perhaps a bit more than the height of the Echo. Its diameter is just a shade smaller, but it tapers a bit as one moves toward the top. The top surface slopes down for an inch or two. This part of the Home is a touch surface. Sliding on it in a clockwise direction increases the audio level. Moving counterclockwise lowers it. Tapping the surface pauses or resumes play.

The lower portion of the Home feels like a cloth mesh. This mesh can be removed and replaced by a mesh, or screen, of a different color.

With this removed, we can see three small speakers. One faces left and one faces right. These are the mid/high-end drivers. The remaining loudspeaker faces forward and is the subwoofer. It is capable of wide cone excursions and can produce considerable low-frequency response down to perhaps 55 Hz. Believe me! this is very impressive, although somewhat boomy at times. Overall, the sound is better than that of the Amazon Echo.

There is no jack for obtaining audio to a sound system. This reminds me of how Apple has removed audio jacks from some of its devices. Audio can still feed a sound system via a small device known as a Google Audio Crhomecast. TV can be supported by a Video Chromecast. (I do not have that unit so cannot discuss it.)

The price of the Google Home is $130. The Audio Chromecast costs $35.

Like the Echo, the Home must be set up using a Google Home app. There are 28 steps to set it up. I had an experienced sighted helper and he got it going in a bit over a half hour.

Again, like the Echo, most items are opened, or linked, via the app. Some services have a monthly charge. Lots of music can be heard at no charge. Pandora and Google Play can be heard that way. If, however, you ask to hear a particular artist, you'll hear him or her but mixed with other artists.

The Audio Chromcast must be linked to the Home. If you give each device its own name, you can hear your selection from the device you ask for when requesting an item.

If no name is called, the sound will emanate from the Home. Like the Echo, the Home uses a wake up word, either Okay Google or Hey Google.

I wish this list could accept attachments. I could have described the equipment in greater detail, and you could have heard the amazing sound this equipment can produce.

This does it for now. I look forward to hearing from others as they experiment with this product. If you find that I made any errors in this presentation, I look forward to knowing about them.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Thank you Joe would you be willing to send me an attachment I just got one for my husband for his birthday and I'm hoping that I can set it up without cited help thank you so much for your review


10 Ways To Search Google For Information That 96% Of People Don't Know About #article

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Thought this might interest some of you.

From: Top Tech Tidbits
14. The article "10 Ways to Search Google for Information That 96% of People Don't Know About" is worth perusing even though a few of the demonstrative examples are unfortunately posted as screen shots, making them difficult if not impossible for screen reader users to access:
https://brightside.me/wonder-curiosities/10-ways-to-search-google-for-information-that-96-of-people-dont-know-about-256760/
 
10 Ways to Search Google for Information That 96% of People Don’t Know About
In our era of advanced technology and high-speed Internet connections, you can find information on virtually anything. In the space of just a few minutes,
we can find recipes for the tastiest pie or learn all about the theory of wave-particle duality.
 
But more often than not, we have to sift through a vast body of knowledge to get the information we need, and this can take hours rather than minutes.
This is why Bright Side has put together a list of the most effective methods for searching Google to help you find the precious material you’re looking
for in just a couple of clicks.
 
1. Either this or that
 
Sometimes we’re not sure that we’ve correctly remembered the information or the name we need to start our search. But this doesn’t have to be a problem!
Simply put in a few potential variations of what you’re looking for, and separate them by typing the “|“ symbol. Instead of this symbol you can also use
”or." Then it’s easy enough to choose the result that makes the most sense.
 
2. Searching using synonyms
 
Our language is rich in synonyms. Sometimes this can be very convenient when doing research online. If you need to find websites on a given subject rather
than those that include a specific phrase, add the "~" symbol to your search.
 
For example, if you search for the term "healthy ~food" you’ll get results about the principles of healthy eating, cooking recipes, as well as healthy
dining options.
 
3. Searching within websites
 
Sometimes you read an interesting article on a website and find yourself subsequently wanting to share it with your friends or simply reread it. The easiest way to find the desired piece of information again is to search within the website. To do this, type the address of the site, then a key word or entire phrase from the article, and it should come up immediately.
 
4. The power of the asterisk
 
When our cunning memory decides to prevent us from recalling that one key word, phrase, or number we need in order to find what we’re looking for, you can turn to the powerful "*" symbol. Just use this in the place of the word/phrase you can’t remember, and you should be able to find the results you’re looking for.
 
5. When lots of words are missing
 
If it’s the lengthier half of the phrase you can’t remember rather than a single key word, try writing out the first and last words and putting “AROUND
+ (the approximate number of missing words)“ between them. For example, ”I wandered AROUND(4) cloud."
 
6. Using a time frame
 
Sometimes we urgently need to acquaint ourselves with events that occurred during a certain period of time. To do so, you can add a time frame to your search query with the help of three dots between the dates. For example, if we want to find out about scientific discoveries during the 20th century, we can
write:
 
7. Searching for a title or URL
 
To help find the key words and name of an article, type “intitle:“ before the search term, without any spaces between them. In order to find the words
from a URL, use ”inurl:".
 
8. Finding similar websites
 
If you’ve found something you really like online and want to find similar websites, type in "related:" and then the address of the site, again without
a space between them.
 
9. Whole phrases
 
Framing the search term within quotation marks is the simplest and most effective way to find something specific and in the exact order you typed it in.
For example, if you type in the words I’m picking up good vibrations without quotation marks, the search engine will show the results where these words appear in any order on a website, as opposed to the specific order in which you typed them.
If, on the other hand, you type "I’m picking up good vibrations" within quotation marks, you’ll get only those results where these words appear only in the order you typed them in. This is a great way to find the lyrics to a song when you only know one line from it.
 
10. Unimportant search words
 
To remove unimportant search words from your query, simply write a minus symbol before each one. For example, if you want to find a site about interesting books, but you aren’t looking to buy them, you can write the following:


Re: the google home: early impressions

Robert Kingett <kingettr@...>
 

I wish there was a way we could send text commands to either the echo dot, or GH, and hear the result. I left feedback with Google and amazon. Even if you do not have a speech disability I know SMS INPUT would be a liked feature.


--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View my website below.<p></p><p><br></p><p>[view my website here](www.blindjournalist.wordpress.com)<br></p><p><br></p>


the google home: early impressions

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hello All,

Alexa has competition. Last November Google introduced its device: the Home. I just got mine set up this afternoon and thought you'd like some early thoughts.

Physically, this unit is perhaps a bit more than the height of the Echo. Its diameter is just a shade smaller, but it tapers a bit as one moves toward the top. The top surface slopes down for an inch or two. This part of the Home is a touch surface. Sliding on it in a clockwise direction increases the audio level. Moving counterclockwise lowers it. Tapping the surface pauses or resumes play.

The lower portion of the Home feels like a cloth mesh. This mesh can be removed and replaced by a mesh, or screen, of a different color.

With this removed, we can see three small speakers. One faces left and one faces right. These are the mid/high-end drivers. The remaining loudspeaker faces forward and is the subwoofer. It is capable of wide cone excursions and can produce considerable low-frequency response down to perhaps 55 Hz. Believe me! this is very impressive, although somewhat boomy at times. Overall, the sound is better than that of the Amazon Echo.

There is no jack for obtaining audio to a sound system. This reminds me of how Apple has removed audio jacks from some of its devices. Audio can still feed a sound system via a small device known as a Google Audio Crhomecast. TV can be supported by a Video Chromecast. (I do not have that unit so cannot discuss it.)

The price of the Google Home is $130. The Audio Chromecast costs $35.

Like the Echo, the Home must be set up using a Google Home app. There are 28 steps to set it up. I had an experienced sighted helper and he got it going in a bit over a half hour.

Again, like the Echo, most items are opened, or linked, via the app. Some services have a monthly charge. Lots of music can be heard at no charge. Pandora and Google Play can be heard that way. If, however, you ask to hear a particular artist, you'll hear him or her but mixed with other artists.

The Audio Chromcast must be linked to the Home. If you give each device its own name, you can hear your selection from the device you ask for when requesting an item.

If no name is called, the sound will emanate from the Home. Like the Echo, the Home uses a wake up word, either Okay Google or Hey Google.

I wish this list could accept attachments. I could have described the equipment in greater detail, and you could have heard the amazing sound this equipment can produce.

This does it for now. I look forward to hearing from others as they experiment with this product. If you find that I made any errors in this presentation, I look forward to knowing about them.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Gene
 

Those not interest in this discussion may want to skip or skim this message.  It is rather long. 
 
Words mean something.  Accurate expression is important. Deprecation, as used here does not mean the same as depreciation.  I gave a link to a good definition yesterday.  Depreciation means the following:
From Dictionary.com
noun
1.
decrease in value due to wear and tear, decay, decline in price, etc.
2.
such a decrease as allowed in computing the value of property for tax purposes.
3.
a decrease in the purchasing or exchange value of money.
4.
a lowering in estimation.

As you see, the only nonbusiness sense of the word is definition 4.  While it can have a somewhat similar meaning, the overlap in meaning is narrow, considering what deprecated means in totality.  Any properly constructed web site will tell you that a browser or something you are running is deprecated.  Depreciation is not used in such contexts, despite a certain overlap in meaning.  It is incorrect useage.
 
Also, deprecated is not as general as a program that is out of vogue.  If it were, it could refer to any program that has lost popularity for any reason. 
If that's what it meant, any program that isn't used much could be termed deprecated.  The word does not mean that.  Here is the full discussion of the meaning in a computer-related sense.
Deprecated means, generally, that  something is acknowledged but discouraged.
In IT, deprecation means that although something is available or allowed, it is not recommended or that, in the case where something must be used, to say it is deprecated means that its failings are recognized. The term may be used with almost any element of IT, including software, hardware, methods, models and practices. 
In computer programming, a deprecated language entity is one that is tolerated or supported but not recommended. For example, a number of elements and attributes are deprecated in HTML 4.0 , meaning that other means of accomplishing the task are preferred. Many deprecated features became obsolete in HTML5, although browsers that support the features may continue to support them. In the Java programming language, a particular method may be deprecated for a given class of objects.
Even general approaches to something can be deprecated. Security through obscurity, for example, is an approach that relies on keeping coding and its potential vulnerabilities hidden, so that flaws are less likely to be detected and exploited. That model, and others such as security through minority and security through obsolescence, are deprecated in favor of security by design, which involves creating systems that are as secure as possible in the first place. 
This was last updated in July 2015
 
Most of your message is self-deprecating sarcasm which has nothing to do with the point under discussion.  It is a sly way of attacking others by saying, I may not know what you think I should know, but I know what I know.  And that is completely irrelevant to the point under discussion. 
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

I'm not a programmer ...  My bad, I ought to have been, but I goofed much
too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved to slice and dice
this English language in as a clear a tone as I can get it.  After all, it's
one of many languages I speak and write well! 

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again, shame on me, never
went beyond BASIC, yikes!  The word "deprecated" was always used to refer to
programs NO LONGER in vogue.  May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE
my way into the English lexicon of another nation with full rights and
responsibilities as she may so demand; nevertheless, I've been known to
CRANK English on both sides of the aisle, American and British! 

Conclusion:  No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader of any thought I
may express, derive, if so desired, the meaning that floats your boat.  For
me, both words work just fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

 





Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Everyone says my husband is a word smith, and he does come
up with punny things and notices words. He said a guy on TV
this afternoon said something about leaving no turn
unstoned.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 5:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT
Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

I'm not a programmer ... My bad, I ought to have been, but
I goofed much too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved
to slice and dice this English language in as a clear a tone
as I can get it. After all, it's one of many languages I
speak and write well!

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again,
shame on me, never went beyond BASIC, yikes! The word
"deprecated" was always used to refer to programs NO LONGER
in vogue. May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE my
way into the English lexicon of another nation with full
rights and responsibilities as she may so demand;
nevertheless, I've been known to CRANK English on both sides
of the aisle, American and British!

Conclusion: No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader
of any thought I may express, derive, if so desired, the
meaning that floats your boat. For me, both words work just
fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


another laptop question: keys that light up

John Gregory <stratplayer@...>
 

Hi Bill,

 

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Alt + F10 combination toggles between ‘Brightest’, ‘Bright’ and ‘Off’ on the latest Dell laptops. However some people say it is FN + F10, so if the Alt + F10 doesn’t work, then try the FN + F10 combination. I also seem to remember that the keyboard backlight uses something like 6.6w, but this figure may or may not be accurate.

 

John.

 


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

I'm not a programmer ... My bad, I ought to have been, but I goofed much
too much and lost that opportunity.

Next, I'm NOT a wordsmith, although I have always resolved to slice and dice
this English language in as a clear a tone as I can get it. After all, it's
one of many languages I speak and write well!

Notwithstanding, when I dabbled into programming, again, shame on me, never
went beyond BASIC, yikes! The word "deprecated" was always used to refer to
programs NO LONGER in vogue. May be I am TOO AMERICAN, trying to BULLDOZE
my way into the English lexicon of another nation with full rights and
responsibilities as she may so demand; nevertheless, I've been known to
CRANK English on both sides of the aisle, American and British!

Conclusion: No need to quibble over semantics; as a reader of any thought I
may express, derive, if so desired, the meaning that floats your boat. For
me, both words work just fine and I'll now go drink a toast in celebration!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: another laptop question: keys that light up

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have heard of that, but do not know if they can be turned
off.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Koppelmann
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] another laptop question: keys that light
up

Hi Everyone,
I think that I've now heard it all, I notice3d the other day
that there are lights under the keyboard on my Dell Laptop
that I recently bought, and while I can understand why this
might be, I rather wonder if this takes much battery
strength, and if it's possible to turn the keyboard light
off?
Also, if there are any other things that I might want to
turn off or on on my laptop, I'd appreciate knowing that as
well.
Bill K.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
So if I purchase this product, I could get rid of my slow cooker and
pressure cooker?

Maybe.
I haven't really cooked anything yet in it so I haven't decided if it's worth it or not.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

So if I purchase this product, I could get rid of my slow cooker and
pressure cooker?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there
in this instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

The Instant Pot does many functions. It steams, pressure cooks and slow
cooks. It acts as a yogurt maker and a rice cooker. You can saute init, as
well.
Normally I am rather skeptical about such all in one devices, but it was a
gift, so what the hey.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there in this
instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

The Instant Pot does many functions. It steams, pressure cooks and slow cooks. It acts as a yogurt maker and a rice cooker. You can saute init, as well.
Normally I am rather skeptical about such all in one devices, but it was a gift, so what the hey.


Re: Setting Timer on Instant Pot

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

This might be a real stupid question, but whyt differences are there in this
instant pot, vs the pressure cooker vs the slow cooker?

Respectfully,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting Timer on Instant Pot

When you use the timer and plus or minus buttons on the pot, what increments
does it go by?


another laptop question: keys that light up

Bill Koppelmann <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Everyone,
I think that I've now heard it all, I notice3d the other day that there are lights under the keyboard on my Dell Laptop that I recently bought, and while I can understand why this might be, I rather wonder if this takes much battery strength, and if it's possible to turn the keyboard light off?
Also, if there are any other things that I might want to turn off or on on my laptop, I'd appreciate knowing that as well.
Bill K.


Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

TerriLynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

I like the HIMS notetakers.It seems to me that they are focused on making accessible notetakers that are not necessarily based on a mainstream product, but that work well with such products. For example, the Braille Note Touch uses the m.facebook app. I really despise the m.facebook app because it randomly selects who and what you see. Even going to someone’s wall, timeline, whatever, doesn’t bring up all of their posts. On the other hand, HIMS has written their own app to access the regular facebook pages. I am planning to check out the usability of both notetakers in the near future and hope that doing so will help me to cement my decision on which one I want to own.

 

TerriLynne

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch

 

Anyway, if someone else doing an A.T. device with Braille display  comes
along, will they follow in HumanWare's footprints, or will they somehow
blaze their own trail successfully? I rather suspect however that they too,
will find it necessary to make compromises tso as best to meet their users'
needs with using the facilities of Android.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game
Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

Flor wrote in part:

"You keep on saying 'deprecated'. Do you actually mean, 'depreciated'?"

Same meaning, so it works!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado







Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Flor Lynch
 

Yeah, sure. But I was caught off guard by the repeated use of deprecated in
that way, so that I didn't know whether it was just for rhetorical effect or
not.

This sort of use of deprecated platforms just wouldn't happen in iOS! But
you know, all third-party software developers are left behind the curve if
they're using another branded software upon which to develop their own
products.

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From: Carolyn Arnold
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Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd

If we're on a tech list, isn't it better if we learn, if we did not know,
the correct usage of a word, as it relates to computers or other technical
issues?

Bye for now,

Carolyn
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Re: These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

If we're on a tech list, isn't it better if we learn, if we did not know, the correct usage of a word, as it relates to computers or other technical issues?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:39 PM
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I'm not sure what you are saying. I was addressing only one point, that the word depreciated has a different meaning than depricated when deprecated is used in computer jargon and that the proper word should be used. I'm not sure if you are saying that the word deprecated shouldn't be used on the list because people may not understand it properly or confuse it with another word. But I believe that the correct word should be used and explained if the writer thinks it may be misunderstood.

Here is part of a definition for the computer jargon use of the word:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/deprecated
Deprecated means, generally, that something is acknowledged but discouraged.
In IT, deprecation means that although something is available or allowed, it is not recommended or that, in the case where something must be used, to say it is deprecated means that its failings are recognized. The term may be used with almost any element of IT, including software, hardware, methods, models and practices.
The rest of the discussion talks about its use in contexts such as computer languages. those interested may follow the link I provided and read the rest. But an example was given that HTML5 may provide ways of doing things that are better than HTML4 and the HTML4 ways, though they may still work, have been deprecated.

Gene
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And how are most ordinary English-understanding readers here going to know the differences in meaning? (There is no i in the word ‘deprecated’.) ‘Depcecated’ carries more force in ordinary English language usage than it does in computer jargon. What if I said, ‘i deprecate the use of jargon where it it’s not understood?’

HumanWare (in the post from Greg Stilson that I quoted from) have given their reasons for their use of this ‘so-called’ deprecated OS. Now, can you see where use of ordinarily loaded words leads? I’d be rather surprised if Hims (or whoever) doesn’t use a likewise deprecated OS in the Android system when they in their turn develop a touch-screen-based braille note-taker.

Why didn’t Google more seriously develop BrailleBack? Had they done so, there’d be less need for HumanWare et al to try and reinvent the Braille wheel there, not to mention the greater expense that has been incurred on the would-be braille touch-screen device users among us.

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd I wasn't commenting on your post, but rather the comment by Olusegun that both words mean the same thing. Outdated programs aren't depreciated. they are depricated.

Gene
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Gene,

I was talking mainly about deprecate/deprecation which, in its ordinary English sense, means what I’ve outlined previously. Depreciation is also used in computer terminology. I wouldn’t expect many readers here to know that deprecate has a particular meaning when discussing computer tech and computer OS’s and commands.

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] These 6 Women Undergrads At MIT Invented A Game Changer For The Blin - forbes.comd Depreciation means to lose value through use and/or age such as machines used in a business. It does not have the same technical meaning as depricate and I don't think it has any technical meaning in computer jargon.

Gene
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From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@...>
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In ordinary English, 'deprecate' also means, "to express strong disapproval of; deplore; belittle. "The Teacher should not deprecate his students.'

Anyway, if someone else doing an A.T. device with Braille display comes along, will they follow in HumanWare's footprints, or will they somehow blaze their own trail successfully? I rather suspect however that they too, will find it necessary to make compromises tso as best to meet their users'
needs with using the facilities of Android.

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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:08 PM
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Flor wrote in part:

"You keep on saying 'deprecated'. Do you actually mean, 'depreciated'?"

Same meaning, so it works!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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