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listening to nfl games through the computer

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Troy,
I'm rather behind, so am not sure if you got a response, but www.tunin.com does have some football games and some college ones as well. Check it out.
Bill K.


Re: Auto speaker activation

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Hi Walter,

Under the Interaction heading, I found CALL AUDIO ROUTING between VIBRATION
and TONE.

I have an iPhone 5, but I think it's in the same place on your 6, ass long
as you're running iOS9+

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Ramage [mailto:wpr@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Auto speaker activation

Hi all. I am not sure how I feel about the way the iPhone automatically
switches to speaker if you move the phone slightly away from the ear. It
means you have to hold the phone in a particular position when on a call and
if the call is a long one, it gets very tiring on the arm. I have the
iPhone 6 and I looked on line to find out how I disable this feature. The
on line instructions was to go to settings/general/ accessibility/
interaction and there I could change it from automatic to manual. However
those instructions must be for an older version of iPhone because when I
went there with my iPhone 6 there was nothing in the interaction heading
where I could change things. Does anybody know where it has moved to
please. I'd like to try it for a while and see if I prefer it that way and
if not, I can always change back but I just can't find where I make the
change. Walter.





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listening to nfl games through the computer

Troy Burnham
 

Hi All,
 
Other than free football radio dot com, which I find frustrating to use because I never know which station of my chosen team may be streaming the game, are there any other options for listening to games through the computer now that the nfl has combined their audio and video feeds and increased the price so significantly?
 
I'm in a rather unique situation here because I've been trying to make sirius xm online work and so far haven't had much success and the reception that I get from my xm receiver isn't great most of the time, and I will be getting an IPhone soon but I don't know how long it'll take me to get comfortable enough using that where I'll be able to use the football ap to listen to a game, and I have a local station for my favorite team which is the Texans but my radio reception of that station is only fair at best even though it's a local station.
 
I haven't worried much about football so far because I'm mostly a baseball fan, but there's only a week left to go in the baseball season and if the astros miss the playoffs I won't have much interest in the playoffs so in that case my attention would turn back more to football and I might be interested in more than just the Texans games in that case.
 
My best option is probably going to be sirius xm if I can ever figure out exactly what I'm doing when it comes to finding specific content through the online feed, but I'm hesitant to call sirius xm's customer service for help because I'm not so sure they'd be able to help much since I'm quite sure that nobody there is aware of Jaws and how it works and I'm not computer-literate enough, nor do I have enough patience, to know what to do if I did call xm and they had me try something that didn't work.
 
I know this may be a longer message than it needed to be, but I just wanted to be thorough and go ahead and put in things that I may get questioned about later on in the thread.
 
Troy
 
 



Re: Linked in was My blog

Quentin Christensen
 

Ello was originally designed as an ad-free alternative to the big social networks (well Facebook mostly). I think the main thing its struggled with is getting people on board - with so many social networks why should I join some new one that I don't know anyone on yet?

It actually seems fairly accessible though so that is certainly an attractive selling point. The link is: https://ello.co/

Regards

Quentin.

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On 28/09/2015 3:21 AM, Charles Krugman wrote:
This is the first I've come acrost ello. I've never heard of it before your post. I have a paid LinkedIn account a "business account" that ZI use for networking and I am active in various professional groups there. I've had some interactions with their staff and found them to be very helpful with issues both involving accessibility and other things. all, feel free to connect on LinkedIn.
Chuck

-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:18 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Linked in was My blog

To be honest I think facebook has gone way downhill for useability (even
aside from accessibility) - I used to use it all the time, but now I
find it so frustrating that I follow pages and companies and people, and
yet I don't see everything they post in lieu of seeing paid ads I didn't
sign up for. Facebook claim they have a billion active users - well if
they charged each user just 8c / month, that would get them a billion
dollars income each year. I think I bought an app for $5 a year or so
ago that just did facebook on my phone and it wasn't even from them, so
yes I'd happy pay a dollar a year for the service.

Re Linked in, I've actually only just got back into it so haven't fully
explored everything it has to offer.

I have an Ello account, mostly because I was teaching someone who wanted
to use it - but however great it is I still don't have any other
contacts on there.... so I never use it - if anyone else is on there,
I'm @quentinuous <https://ello.co/quentinuous> - because it suggested it
when I put in my name, and it sounded interesting!

Regards

Quentin.


Re: I can't get windows media player to burn disks in my W8.1 computer.

Gene
 

You may be assuming what you should hear and so you may not realize that you are not hearing what you expect.  I'm suspicious that you are not being asked to create a data cd or a regular cd.  There is no such thing as a regular cd and you may be being asked if you want to create a cd that will play in most cd players or a cd that is like a thumb drive.  Go through the procedure again and make sure what you are being asked.  If my suspicion is correct, you should not be asked about creating a data or an audio cd until later in the procedure. 
 
What are your choices?  If you don't hear data cd or audio cd, do you hear something like I described instead?  After you choose whatever you choose, where are you?  Are you in a dialog and what does it say?  Are you in a list such as a my computer list of files that shows you what files will be burned? 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
> /I used to use windows media player in my W7 computer and it worked
> fine. Now in 8.1 it doesn’t burn disks at all. Here is what I do and
> have done in the past. /
>
> /1 move the file to the drive to be burned./
>
> /2. at that point I am asked to put a blank disk in the drive. /
>
> /I am then given choices to burn a date or a regular Cd. /
>
> /I choose regular CD. Then I get a next button. I hit the space bar,
> and at that point windows media player should come up, but it doesn’t.
> if I go to it, and press the burn button, nothing happens. Anyone have
> any way I can fix this? I have windows 8.1 and jaws 17 beta.  Jim/
>
> /2. /
>
>
Hi,

Should you be selecting an audio disc instead of a regular one?

--
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Re: I can't get windows media player to burn disks in my W8.1 computer.

chris miles
 

Jim Rawls wrote:

/I used to use windows media player in my W7 computer and it worked fine. Now in 8.1 it doesn’t burn disks at all. Here is what I do and have done in the past. /

/1 move the file to the drive to be burned./

/2. at that point I am asked to put a blank disk in the drive. /

/I am then given choices to burn a date or a regular Cd. /

/I choose regular CD. Then I get a next button. I hit the space bar, and at that point windows media player should come up, but it doesn’t. if I go to it, and press the burn button, nothing happens. Anyone have any way I can fix this? I have windows 8.1 and jaws 17 beta. Jim/

/2. /

Hi,

Should you be selecting an audio disc instead of a regular one?

--
Chris Miles


Re: Bard books on a thumb drive and other matters

Beth
 

Try 150 or more and still more books in my pc. As file folders. Whoa.
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On 9/27/2015 1:22 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth wrote:

Hi there BETH!
I have a thumb drive with 42 books on it and the books seem to be organized by author's last names.  I have one set of around 12 books by one author another set of three and several other sets of varying sizes which are grouped by author's last name.  It seems that the player did the organizing since I did nothing to change or re-arrange the books.  The really strange thing is though that I still have better than 2/3 of the disk left.  Just thought I would let you know.  Have a GREAT DAY! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.an

On 26-Sep-15 20:28, Beth wrote:
Hi, all.
How many of you have Bard books on a thumb drive plugged in to a player from NLS? Also, how do the books get ordered? Is it by DB number? Or author's last name? I wish it was by author's last name because really, I hate out of order books. Ugh.




Re: test.

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello there,
Past.

----- Original Message -----
From: Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2015 7:33 pm
Subject: [TechTalk] test.




Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: Bard books on a thumb drive and other matters

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

Hi there BETH!
I have a thumb drive with 42 books on it and the books seem to be organized by author's last names.  I have one set of around 12 books by one author another set of three and several other sets of varying sizes which are grouped by author's last name.  It seems that the player did the organizing since I did nothing to change or re-arrange the books.  The really strange thing is though that I still have better than 2/3 of the disk left.  Just thought I would let you know.  Have a GREAT DAY! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.an

On 26-Sep-15 20:28, Beth wrote:
Hi, all.
How many of you have Bard books on a thumb drive plugged in to a player from NLS? Also, how do the books get ordered? Is it by DB number? Or author's last name? I wish it was by author's last name because really, I hate out of order books. Ugh.



test.

Billy Inglis
 

 


Re: CCleaner latest version

Kwork
 


No I haven't, but I hadn't installed the last stable version as I had been happy enough with what I had already, but will probably grab the latest once it gets out of beta. This new touch from the keyboard does really have me curious, and it could change how much is seen. I agree.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

I seldom useJAWS these days and I don't follow new developments closely but have you tried the rather new feature in JAWS that was introduced to allow for navigating touch screens?  From the little I've read and heard, it appears this feature can be used from the keyboard as well and it may allow the equivalent of object navigation.  My impression may not be correct but if it is, it may allow access to certain items that were previously inaccessible with JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

With NVDA, you can find the Install Chrome checkbox on the screen with the install button, but it's not on the main part of the screen, and can only be found using object navigation, I believe it's called, using the NVDA+arrow keys. Jaws can't see that area at all. After Unchecki blocked it, I went hunting with Jaws and NVDA to see if it was visible to either. CCleaner has gotten good at hiding it so we don't know it's always there. My experience is with the latest CCleaner installer, entitled ccsetup510.exe
 
Travis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 
Using the link Carlos previously provided, I downloaded and installed the latest standard version of CCleaner, 5.1.  Using the JAWS cursor, I inspected each page of the installer interface for any check boxes for selecting Google Chrome or other unwanted software, but could not find any.  But when I clicked on the Install button, a dialog popped up from Unchecky informing me that it had declined two offers, proving conclusively that Google Chrome would have been installed along with CCleaner if Unchecky had not located and de-selected the Chrome check box.  Apparently, any check boxes on the installer interface are hidden to JAWS.  So if you want to install the latest standard version of CCleaner without also installing Google Chrome, you should first install Unchecky.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 
Yep. My unchecki caught it in the latest version of CCleaner and blocked it. I'm glad as it's not something that can be tabbed to, at least in NVDA, but must be found using deeper levels of navigation, so it can be easily missed.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 
Possibly, but again the standard installer is not always consistent in this respect either.  In some versions of CCleaner the checkboxes are there and in others they are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 

Then again I remembered I have this uncheckie program on my machine and maybe that’s why it’s not there? Google chrome that is?

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:15 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

I have noticed that the primary installer is not always consistent.  Some versions include Chrome while others do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Incorect, I didn’t see such option.

Google chrome is no where on my system.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

 

Just keep in nind that installing the standard version of CCleaner using this link will also install Google Chrome and set it as your default browser.  The installer interface no longer has a check box to deselect Chrome and prevent it from being installed.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Thank you!

That is what I was looking for.

I found it though but I will save this link.

 

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:43 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

You can always use this link

to download the latest version.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:37 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Carlos or someone else on the blind tech list several months back posted a link where we can download the latest version of CCleaner.

Or that was the link they used to download the latest version, can someone post it here?

I hate that stupid CCleaner site, I can’t seem to ever find the download!

Thanks.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 


Auto speaker activation

Walter Ramage
 

Hi all.  I am not sure how I feel about the way the iPhone automatically switches to speaker if you move the phone slightly away from the ear.  It means you have to hold the phone in a particular position when on a call and if the call is a long one, it gets very tiring on the arm.  I have the iPhone 6 and I looked on line to find out how I disable this feature.  The on line instructions was to go to settings/general/ accessibility/ interaction and there I could change it from automatic to manual.  However those instructions must be for an older version of iPhone because when I went there with my iPhone 6 there was nothing in the interaction heading where I could change things.  Does anybody know where it has moved to please.  I'd like to try it for a while and see if I prefer it that way and if not, I can always change back but I just can't find where I make the change.  Walter.

 




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Re: Updating CCCCCbi'bi'bi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

Mikaela Smith
 

When I first started using Chrome, which was in my freshman year,
things were quite flawed. In Windows, I still have to occasionally
maximize the page, then restore it, to get things working. It's quite
a pain, so I prefer "Internet explorer, or better yet, Firefox. If
ever I need to use google docs, I just copy and paste things into a
word file and do it that way. It happened in chemistry, where I had to
fill in the boxes on a google sheets project. I copied it into word,
and it made a table, which is a little bit easier to navigate than
Excel.

On 9/27/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That's good. I'm glad you got a system that meets your neeeds much better.


It should be pointed out to avoid confusion, that Chrome and Chromevox are
two different programs. I don't know enough about Chromevox, the
screen-reader for the Google operating system, to comment on it. I was
saying that Chrome, the screen-reader, in its Windows version, has become
reasonably accessible.

Gene


From: Mikaela Smith
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:16 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCCbi'bi'leanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


Í do now. My school got me a laptop, simply because ChromeVox was not
working in such a way that I could use the computer efficiently. So I
now use a windows computer and my BrailleSense.

On 9/27/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
If you have to use Chrome, you may get significant help if you describe
your
problems using it on list. Do you have a choice of screen-reader and what
screen-reader are you using? Chrome is not crapware. it has progressed
from having lots of accessibility problems to now being reasonably
accessible.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikaela Smith
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:25 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


I agree with Gerald: Forcing Chrome on a person is an inethical way
for Google to promote its programs. And yes, Chrome, along with
ChromeVox and ChromeBook, is crapware. I'd know, my school forced it
on me. I have an F in world history because of it.

On 9/27/15, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
CCleaner is not available on Ninite.
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica Jones
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


I agree. Whether it’s accessible or not is not the issue in this case.
It’s our right not to have software forced on us that we don’t want. If
it’s
suggested to me, then that’s one thing, but I don’t like not being able
to
refuse it. Gerald, have you tried ninite.com? It’s a place to get
software
without all the krap. If you don’t know about it, I’ll get the exact URL
from my favs and send it. I think I typed it right, just not sure just
now
and I’m about to hit the mattress and pillow.


From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:58 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


The definition of crapware is unwanted software that is installed
surreptitiously without the computer user’s knowledge or consent.. I do
not
mean to imply that Chrome itself is crap or unuseful, although other
users
might disagree with this assessment. But bundling Google Chrome with
CCleaner and forcing users to install it and set it as the default
browser
without providing advance warning is nothing short of devious and
unscrupulous on the part of Puriform, and raises serious questions about
its
business ethics.

Gerald



From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome

Chrome is not crapware and calling it that is both unfair to Chrome
and
a
disservice to those who might find it useful. Chrome is not as
accessible
as Firefox or Internet Explorer. But I have it on my computer because
there
are times when I can do something on a site that I can't do with Firefox
or
Internet Explorer. Chrome is reasonably accessible these days. The
interface is somewhat different and that may be an important reason you
think it is not very accessible. While I don't use Chrome much,
demanding
blind Internet users would do well to seriously consider having it on
their
machines.

Also, it may be that some benefits of using Chrome on certain web
sites
do
not occur when using it with JAWS. I don't use JAWS much any longer. I
use
NVDA mostly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:04 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome


A new version of CCleaner, version 5.1, has just been released, but
when
I
visited the downloads page, I could not find any link to download the
slim
version that does not also automatically install Google Chrome. Only
the
regular and portable versions are listed, which means that there is
apparently no way to download and install the latest version of CCleaner
without also automatically installing the unwanted Google Chrome
browser,
whose accessibility with JAWS still leaves a lot to be desired. The
last
time I updated the regular version of CCleaner about a month ago, there
was
no longer a check box in the installer interface to deselect the
simultaneous installation of Chrome. Is there any other way to update
CCleaner without being forced to automatically install Google Chrome?
Or
would I just be better off keeping the current version so that I can
avoid
installing Chrome and then having to go through the hassle of
uninstalling
this unwanted piece of crapware. Thanks.

Gerald


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Re: Linked in was My blog

Charles Krugman
 

This is the first I've come acrost ello. I've never heard of it before your post. I have a paid LinkedIn account a "business account" that ZI use for networking and I am active in various professional groups there. I've had some interactions with their staff and found them to be very helpful with issues both involving accessibility and other things. all, feel free to connect on LinkedIn.
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:18 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Linked in was My blog

To be honest I think facebook has gone way downhill for useability (even
aside from accessibility) - I used to use it all the time, but now I
find it so frustrating that I follow pages and companies and people, and
yet I don't see everything they post in lieu of seeing paid ads I didn't
sign up for. Facebook claim they have a billion active users - well if
they charged each user just 8c / month, that would get them a billion
dollars income each year. I think I bought an app for $5 a year or so
ago that just did facebook on my phone and it wasn't even from them, so
yes I'd happy pay a dollar a year for the service.

Re Linked in, I've actually only just got back into it so haven't fully
explored everything it has to offer.

I have an Ello account, mostly because I was teaching someone who wanted
to use it - but however great it is I still don't have any other
contacts on there.... so I never use it - if anyone else is on there,
I'm @quentinuous <https://ello.co/quentinuous> - because it suggested it
when I put in my name, and it sounded interesting!

Regards

Quentin.

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On 27/09/2015 8:57 PM, Charles Krugman wrote:
this is a good overview of the social networking sites. I hadn't been following this thread until you changed the subject line as I'm behind with emails but LinkedIn is pretty accessible although at times it isn't always clear as some things you can click on and it changes the layout but it isn't clear that you can click on a particular header. This is especially true in the subcategories of a profile or when in a search page for choosing different categories. While Facebook has improved it still has a long way to when it comes to accessibility issues. I use it because I have to as I do some political consulting and community organizing but I don't enjoy it. I much prefer LinkedIn for professional networking.
Chuck Krugman

-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Linked in was My blog

Most social networks have their nuances - what they are designed to work
best at. Instagram is photos, Twitter is bite size messages, linked in
is aimed at professionals as others have said. I've had a few work
acquaintances and people at other companies I've done one off jobs at
ask me for my linked in details - where for instance we hadn't
necessarily got to know each other personally enough that we would swap
facebook details, and also, our knowledge of each other and interest is
professional moreso than swapping stories about our kids birthday parties.

As with any of them though, it's really what you make of it. I started
using twitter with friends, but now I follow more industry related
accounts and tend to use it to follow a few friends but also for IT
(work) related info.

Regards

Quentin.


Re: Updating CCCCbi'bi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

Gene
 

That's good.  I'm glad you got a system that meets your neeeds much better. 
 
It should be pointed out to avoid confusion, that Chrome and Chromevox are two different programs.  I don't know enough about Chromevox, the screen-reader for the Google operating system, to comment on it.  I was saying that Chrome, the screen-reader, in its Windows version, has become reasonably accessible.
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCCbi'bi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

Í do now. My school got me a laptop, simply because ChromeVox was not
working in such a way that I could use the computer efficiently. So I
now use  a windows computer and my BrailleSense.

On 9/27/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> If you have to use Chrome, you may get significant help if you describe your
> problems using it on list. Do you have a choice of screen-reader and what
> screen-reader are you using?  Chrome is not crapware.  it has progressed
> from having lots of accessibility problems to now being reasonably
> accessible.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikaela Smith
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:25 AM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google
> Chrome
>
>
> I agree with Gerald: Forcing Chrome on a person is an inethical way
> for Google to promote its programs. And yes, Chrome, along with
> ChromeVox and ChromeBook, is crapware. I'd know, my school forced it
> on me. I have an F in world history because of it.
>
> On 9/27/15, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
>> CCleaner is not available on Ninite.
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Monica Jones
>>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>   Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:37 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
>> Chrome
>>
>>
>>   I agree. Whether it’s accessible or not is not the issue in this case.
>> It’s our right not to have software forced on us that we don’t want. If
>> it’s
>> suggested to me, then that’s one thing, but I don’t like not being able
>> to
>> refuse it. Gerald, have you tried ninite.com? It’s a place to get
>> software
>> without all the krap. If you don’t know about it, I’ll get the exact URL
>> from my favs and send it. I think I typed it right, just not sure just
>> now
>> and I’m about to hit the mattress and pillow.
>>
>>
>>   From: Gerald Levy
>>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:58 AM
>>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
>> Chrome
>>
>>
>>   The definition of crapware is unwanted software that is installed
>> surreptitiously without the computer user’s knowledge or consent..  I do
>> not
>> mean to imply that Chrome itself is crap or unuseful, although other
>> users
>> might disagree with this assessment.  But bundling Google Chrome with
>> CCleaner and forcing users to install it and set it as the default
>> browser
>> without providing advance warning is nothing short of devious and
>> unscrupulous on the part of Puriform, and raises serious questions about
>> its
>> business ethics.
>>
>>   Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>>   From: Gene
>>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:27 AM
>>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
>> Chrome
>>
>>   Chrome is not crapware and calling it that is both unfair to Chrome and
>> a
>> disservice to those who might find it useful.  Chrome is not as
>> accessible
>> as Firefox or Internet Explorer.  But I have it on my computer because
>> there
>> are times when I can do something on a site that I can't do with Firefox
>> or
>> Internet Explorer.  Chrome is reasonably accessible these days.  The
>> interface is somewhat different and that may be an important reason you
>> think it is not very accessible.  While I don't use Chrome much,
>> demanding
>> blind Internet users would do well to seriously consider having it on
>> their
>> machines.
>>
>>   Also, it may be that some benefits of using Chrome on certain web sites
>> do
>> not occur when using it with JAWS.  I don't use JAWS much any longer. I
>> use
>> NVDA mostly.
>>
>>   Gene
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>   From: Gerald Levy
>>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:04 AM
>>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>   Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome
>>
>>
>>   A new version of CCleaner, version 5.1, has just been released, but when
>> I
>> visited the downloads page, I could not  find any link to download the
>> slim
>> version that does not also automatically install Google Chrome.  Only the
>> regular and portable versions are listed, which means that there is
>> apparently no way to download and install the latest version of CCleaner
>> without also automatically installing the unwanted Google Chrome browser,
>> whose accessibility with JAWS still leaves a lot to be desired.  The last
>> time I updated the regular version of CCleaner about a month ago, there
>> was
>> no longer a check box in the installer interface to deselect the
>> simultaneous installation of Chrome.  Is there any other way to update
>> CCleaner without being forced to automatically install Google Chrome?  Or
>> would I just be better off keeping the current version so that I can
>> avoid
>> installing Chrome and then having to go through the hassle of
>> uninstalling
>> this unwanted piece of crapware.  Thanks.
>>
>>   Gerald
>>
>>
>>   Monni, the coffee gal
>>   Twitter, @Monni52
>>
>>   Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: test

Mikaela Smith
 

You got it right!

On 9/27/15, William Vandervest <timelord09@comcast.net> wrote:
just testing to see if I got the e-mail address right in my contacts list
thanks


There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
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timelord09@comcast.net


Re: Updating CCCCbi'bi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

Mikaela Smith
 

Í do now. My school got me a laptop, simply because ChromeVox was not
working in such a way that I could use the computer efficiently. So I
now use a windows computer and my BrailleSense.

On 9/27/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
If you have to use Chrome, you may get significant help if you describe your
problems using it on list. Do you have a choice of screen-reader and what
screen-reader are you using? Chrome is not crapware. it has progressed
from having lots of accessibility problems to now being reasonably
accessible.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikaela Smith
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:25 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


I agree with Gerald: Forcing Chrome on a person is an inethical way
for Google to promote its programs. And yes, Chrome, along with
ChromeVox and ChromeBook, is crapware. I'd know, my school forced it
on me. I have an F in world history because of it.

On 9/27/15, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
CCleaner is not available on Ninite.
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica Jones
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


I agree. Whether it’s accessible or not is not the issue in this case.
It’s our right not to have software forced on us that we don’t want. If
it’s
suggested to me, then that’s one thing, but I don’t like not being able
to
refuse it. Gerald, have you tried ninite.com? It’s a place to get
software
without all the krap. If you don’t know about it, I’ll get the exact URL
from my favs and send it. I think I typed it right, just not sure just
now
and I’m about to hit the mattress and pillow.


From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:58 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome


The definition of crapware is unwanted software that is installed
surreptitiously without the computer user’s knowledge or consent.. I do
not
mean to imply that Chrome itself is crap or unuseful, although other
users
might disagree with this assessment. But bundling Google Chrome with
CCleaner and forcing users to install it and set it as the default
browser
without providing advance warning is nothing short of devious and
unscrupulous on the part of Puriform, and raises serious questions about
its
business ethics.

Gerald



From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google
Chrome

Chrome is not crapware and calling it that is both unfair to Chrome and
a
disservice to those who might find it useful. Chrome is not as
accessible
as Firefox or Internet Explorer. But I have it on my computer because
there
are times when I can do something on a site that I can't do with Firefox
or
Internet Explorer. Chrome is reasonably accessible these days. The
interface is somewhat different and that may be an important reason you
think it is not very accessible. While I don't use Chrome much,
demanding
blind Internet users would do well to seriously consider having it on
their
machines.

Also, it may be that some benefits of using Chrome on certain web sites
do
not occur when using it with JAWS. I don't use JAWS much any longer. I
use
NVDA mostly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:04 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome


A new version of CCleaner, version 5.1, has just been released, but when
I
visited the downloads page, I could not find any link to download the
slim
version that does not also automatically install Google Chrome. Only the
regular and portable versions are listed, which means that there is
apparently no way to download and install the latest version of CCleaner
without also automatically installing the unwanted Google Chrome browser,
whose accessibility with JAWS still leaves a lot to be desired. The last
time I updated the regular version of CCleaner about a month ago, there
was
no longer a check box in the installer interface to deselect the
simultaneous installation of Chrome. Is there any other way to update
CCleaner without being forced to automatically install Google Chrome? Or
would I just be better off keeping the current version so that I can
avoid
installing Chrome and then having to go through the hassle of
uninstalling
this unwanted piece of crapware. Thanks.

Gerald


Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones





Re: Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

Gene
 

To add to my earlier comments, I'll give an example of a problem in Chrome that can be reduced to just an annoyance.  I've tested this on two different computers and it appears to be a Chrome problem, not a screen-reader problem, though more tests on different systems would be needed to see if the problem is a general problem.  I suspect it is. 
 
often, when I open a web page in Chrome, I see nothing but the title of the page, which I can read with the speak title command of screen-readers.
However, if I open a new tab, control t, then close it, control w, I am returned to the page I wanted to be on and the page can now be seen and worked with.  Of course, if a page is not accessible, this won't cure accessibility problems with the page itself but it works around a problem that may make Chrome largely unuseable if you don't know this procedure.  And often, closing a page and opening it again doesn't solve this problem whereas my procedure does. 
 
My larger point is that if people ask about problems, they may get very useful answers.  If this was one of the problems you have with Chrome, you should now be able to work around the problem.
 
this annoying problem is one reason I don't use Chrome to any extent but if you have to use Chrome, knowing how to deal with this problem may make the difference between being able to use it for reasonably good Internet access and not being able to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

If you have to use Chrome, you may get significant help if you describe your problems using it on list. Do you have a choice of screen-reader and what screen-reader are you using?  Chrome is not crapware.  it has progressed from having lots of accessibility problems to now being reasonably accessible. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCCbi'leanerWithout Installing Google Chrome

I agree with Gerald: Forcing Chrome on a person is an inethical way
for Google to promote its programs. And yes, Chrome, along with
ChromeVox and ChromeBook, is crapware. I'd know, my school forced it
on me. I have an F in world history because of it.

On 9/27/15, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> CCleaner is not available on Ninite.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Monica Jones
>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>   Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:37 AM
>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome
>
>
>   I agree. Whether it’s accessible or not is not the issue in this case.
> It’s our right not to have software forced on us that we don’t want. If it’s
> suggested to me, then that’s one thing, but I don’t like not being able to
> refuse it. Gerald, have you tried ninite.com? It’s a place to get software
> without all the krap. If you don’t know about it, I’ll get the exact URL
> from my favs and send it. I think I typed it right, just not sure just now
> and I’m about to hit the mattress and pillow.
>
>
>   From: Gerald Levy
>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:58 AM
>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome
>
>
>   The definition of crapware is unwanted software that is installed
> surreptitiously without the computer user’s knowledge or consent.  I do not
> mean to imply that Chrome itself is crap or unuseful, although other users
> might disagree with this assessment.  But bundling Google Chrome with
> CCleaner and forcing users to install it and set it as the default browser
> without providing advance warning is nothing short of devious and
> unscrupulous on the part of Puriform, and raises serious questions about its
> business ethics.
>
>   Gerald
>
>
>
>   From: Gene
>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:27 AM
>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome
>
>   Chrome is not crapware and calling it that is both unfair to Chrome and a
> disservice to those who might find it useful.  Chrome is not as accessible
> as Firefox or Internet Explorer.  But I have it on my computer because there
> are times when I can do something on a site that I can't do with Firefox or
> Internet Explorer.  Chrome is reasonably accessible these days.  The
> interface is somewhat different and that may be an important reason you
> think it is not very accessible.  While I don't use Chrome much, demanding
> blind Internet users would do well to seriously consider having it on their
> machines.
>
>   Also, it may be that some benefits of using Chrome on certain web sites do
> not occur when using it with JAWS.  I don't use JAWS much any longer. I use
> NVDA mostly.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Gerald Levy
>   Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:04 AM
>   To: TechTalk@groups.io
>   Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleanerWithout Installing Google Chrome
>
>
>   A new version of CCleaner, version 5.1, has just been released, but when I
> visited the downloads page, I could not  find any link to download the slim
> version that does not also automatically install Google Chrome.  Only the
> regular and portable versions are listed, which means that there is
> apparently no way to download and install the latest version of CCleaner
> without also automatically installing the unwanted Google Chrome browser,
> whose accessibility with JAWS still leaves a lot to be desired.  The last
> time I updated the regular version of CCleaner about a month ago, there was
> no longer a check box in the installer interface to deselect the
> simultaneous installation of Chrome.  Is there any other way to update
> CCleaner without being forced to automatically install Google Chrome?  Or
> would I just be better off keeping the current version so that I can avoid
> installing Chrome and then having to go through the hassle of uninstalling
> this unwanted piece of crapware.  Thanks.
>
>   Gerald
>
>
>   Monni, the coffee gal
>   Twitter, @Monni52
>
>   Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>
>
>




Re: CCleaner latest version

Gene
 

I seldom useJAWS these days and I don't follow new developments closely but have you tried the rather new feature in JAWS that was introduced to allow for navigating touch screens?  From the little I've read and heard, it appears this feature can be used from the keyboard as well and it may allow the equivalent of object navigation.  My impression may not be correct but if it is, it may allow access to certain items that were previously inaccessible with JAWS.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

With NVDA, you can find the Install Chrome checkbox on the screen with the install button, but it's not on the main part of the screen, and can only be found using object navigation, I believe it's called, using the NVDA+arrow keys. Jaws can't see that area at all. After Unchecki blocked it, I went hunting with Jaws and NVDA to see if it was visible to either. CCleaner has gotten good at hiding it so we don't know it's always there. My experience is with the latest CCleaner installer, entitled ccsetup510.exe
 
Travis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 
Using the link Carlos previously provided, I downloaded and installed the latest standard version of CCleaner, 5.1.  Using the JAWS cursor, I inspected each page of the installer interface for any check boxes for selecting Google Chrome or other unwanted software, but could not find any.  But when I clicked on the Install button, a dialog popped up from Unchecky informing me that it had declined two offers, proving conclusively that Google Chrome would have been installed along with CCleaner if Unchecky had not located and de-selected the Chrome check box.  Apparently, any check boxes on the installer interface are hidden to JAWS.  So if you want to install the latest standard version of CCleaner without also installing Google Chrome, you should first install Unchecky.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 
Yep. My unchecki caught it in the latest version of CCleaner and blocked it. I'm glad as it's not something that can be tabbed to, at least in NVDA, but must be found using deeper levels of navigation, so it can be easily missed.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 
Possibly, but again the standard installer is not always consistent in this respect either.  In some versions of CCleaner the checkboxes are there and in others they are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version
 

Then again I remembered I have this uncheckie program on my machine and maybe that’s why it’s not there? Google chrome that is?

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:15 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

I have noticed that the primary installer is not always consistent.  Some versions include Chrome while others do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Incorect, I didn’t see such option.

Google chrome is no where on my system.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

 

Just keep in nind that installing the standard version of CCleaner using this link will also install Google Chrome and set it as your default browser.  The installer interface no longer has a check box to deselect Chrome and prevent it from being installed.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Thank you!

That is what I was looking for.

I found it though but I will save this link.

 

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:43 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

You can always use this link

to download the latest version.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:37 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] CCleaner latest version

 

Carlos or someone else on the blind tech list several months back posted a link where we can download the latest version of CCleaner.

Or that was the link they used to download the latest version, can someone post it here?

I hate that stupid CCleaner site, I can’t seem to ever find the download!

Thanks.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 


test

William Vandervest
 

just testing to see if I got the e-mail address right in my contacts list thanks
 
 
There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
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