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orbit20 was Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer

Josh Kennedy
 

after I pay bills for rent, oil, tv, internet phone and netflix and electricity so everything runs I have around $370 per month. I save money by getting on budget plans for the bills and calling and getting promotions for comcast tv internet and phone to save money that way as well. as i said in another email good thing Blair technology group is letting me return the laptop for free and repair or replace it for free makes it easier to save up for the orbit reader20 $499 braille display when it comes out sometime this spring according to american printing house for the blind.

On 3/21/2017 9:38 AM, Rob wrote:
Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
LOL. But seriously, I grew up poor myself and I know first-hand that saving
is not always an option.
That's for sure. I remember those days myself.
My first computer that I owned solely for myself was a donated one from the university computer lab. It was one of those flat desktop models--I don't know what you call those. It wasn't a tower, but a flat wide thing like a tabletop. It had been lying around collecting dust, so the head lab tech gave it to me--a lucky break.
Back then I was living on less than a hundred dollars a month, so you can imagine what a big deal this was for me.


orbit20 was Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer

Josh Kennedy
 

yes I'm only on SSI and saving for me is difficult. In any case I'm glad blair technology group said they will fix the laptop for free or replace it due to the warranty. Then I can save up for the next two months to buy the orbit reader20 $499 braille display when it comes out. Does anyone on here plan to buy the orbit20? I am a beta/prototype tester and I have to say I am very impressed with the prototype orbit20 I am testing out.

On 3/21/2017 9:32 AM, Carlos wrote:
People have to eat and pay bills as well. Not everyone can afford to save. And junk is a matter of prospective. If a user only has basic requirements, then a basic machine may be all that they need.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer


If I got to settle for junk I would rather save. It makes it so I
don't have to purchase something new so soon.

On 3/21/17, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Sometimes people are limited by their funds and they have to settle for what
they can afford. Simply buying bigger and better is not always an option
for everyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer


If you have to buy a new computer I would suggest you get one with a
faster processor at least 3GHz and at least 500GB hard drive and 8 MB RAM.
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Kennedy
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer


my only concern is with storeage on the stream. 4gigs of ram is enough
for what I do. the only real reason I'd need 8gigs ram is if I did tons of
audio editing or ran memory hungry virtual machines, which I don't do. I'm
just wondering if I could somehow save my favorite audio games, and jaws for
windows microsoft office, NVDA and a few other apps would they all fit on
the 32gigs of space? I guess I could make sure windows10 is compacted with
the command line





compact /compactos:always




running it in an admin command line will compact the OS and compress it
as small as possible. Blair gave me a free shipping label so they said I can
send it back and they will repair the laptop or replace it since its under
the 1 year warranty. if only windows10 would let me change the default write
disk to the sd card and migrate the entire users folder and all subfolders
and also the program files folders and program data folders over to the
micro sd card then storeage on the hp stream latest model with 4gigs ram
would not be an issue.


On 3/20/2017 3:34 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

My pick would be the Stream for sure... SSD over standard HD any day.


Thanks.



On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:29 PM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi
I am new to the list. I recently bought a computer from blair
technology
group. when it came in the mail and i tried setting it up with
windows10
home this laptop was a special order with a 120gb solid state
drive...
anyway narrator would not come on. i plugged in a external
keyboard,
finnished setting it up and got it onto the desktop. through
experimenting i found the laptop's built-in keyboard has some keys
that
do not work. so i called and asked for a return shipping label to
send
it back and have it repaired. they are sending me one in the mail.
But
my question sis this. if for some reason they cannot repair it and
they
return my $220 I am then planning to get a new computer. my two
choices
are these.
1. for $199, hp stream 11.6 inch screen windows10 home and latest
laptop with AMD e2 processor, 4gigs ram and 32gb EMMC storeage with
micro sd card slot. main issue is windows10 does not let you yet,
use
the sd card as permanent storeage to store apps and all user data
including your %appdata% folder on the sd card. in other words you
cannot yet set the sd card as the default write disk for everything
like
you can with some android devices like with my blu energy x phone.
or my second choice
2. for $289, hp f222wm 15 inch touch screen windows10 home latest
laptop
with pentium n quad core, 500gb traditional spinning hard drive
4gigs ram.
but I hope blair technology group can repair or replace the computer
and
give me a good refurbished working one. what do you all think?

Josh Kennedy





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Re: intro and buying new computer

Josh Kennedy
 

yes that is true. in my case if I need something in a pinch I am limited by around $370. actually around $300 or maybe $310 because I have to buy cleaning supplies and stuff also.



On 3/21/2017 8:44 AM, Carlos wrote:
Sometimes people are limited by their funds and they have to settle for what they can afford.  Simply buying bigger and better is not always an option for everyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer

If you have to buy a new computer I would suggest you get one with a faster processor at least 3GHz and at least 500GB hard drive and 8 MB RAM.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] intro and buying new computer

my only concern is with storeage on the stream. 4gigs of ram is enough for what I do. the only real reason I'd need 8gigs ram is if I did tons of audio editing or ran memory hungry virtual machines, which I don't do. I'm just wondering if I could somehow save my favorite audio games, and jaws for windows microsoft office, NVDA and a few other apps would they all fit on the 32gigs of space? I guess I could make sure windows10 is compacted with the command line


compact /compactos:always


running it in an admin command line will compact the OS and compress it as small as possible. Blair gave me a free shipping label so they said I can send it back and they will repair the laptop or replace it since its under the 1 year warranty. if only windows10 would let me change the default write disk to the sd card and migrate the entire users folder and all subfolders and also the program files folders and program data folders over to the micro sd card then storeage on the hp stream latest model with 4gigs ram would not be an issue.

On 3/20/2017 3:34 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
My pick would be the Stream for sure... SSD over standard HD any day.

Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:29 PM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
hi
I am new to the list. I recently bought a computer from blair technology
group. when it came in the mail and i tried setting it up with windows10
home this laptop was a special order with a 120gb solid state drive...
anyway narrator would not come on. i plugged in a external keyboard,
finnished setting it up and got it onto the desktop. through
experimenting i found the laptop's built-in keyboard has some keys that
do not work. so i called and asked for a return shipping label to send
it back and have it repaired. they are sending me one in the mail. But
my question sis this. if for some reason they cannot repair it and they
return my $220 I am then planning to get a new computer. my two choices
are these.
1. for $199, hp stream 11.6  inch screen windows10 home and latest
laptop with AMD e2 processor, 4gigs ram and 32gb EMMC storeage with
micro sd card slot. main issue is windows10 does not let you yet, use
the sd card as permanent storeage to store apps and all user data
including your %appdata% folder on the sd card. in other words you
cannot yet set the sd card as the default write disk for everything like
you can with some android devices like with my blu energy x phone.
or my second choice
2. for $289, hp f222wm 15 inch touch screen windows10 home latest laptop
with pentium n quad core, 500gb traditional spinning hard drive 4gigs ram.
but I hope blair technology group can repair or replace the computer and
give me a good refurbished working one. what do you all think?

Josh Kennedy




--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains
some information about the email you have just read and all
attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and
methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-693-9271) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!



Re: windows 7, is it still available?

Carlos
 

2020.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?

Does anyone know when MS support ends for Windows7?
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?
 
Windows 10 has some advantages such as improved security, a few useful new features, support for newer hardware, blah blah blah, but it also has privacy issues and forced updates.  In addition, it's "Start" menu does not resemble the "Start" menu in older versions of Windows at all and is not very useful in my opinion.  Of course, these are only my opinions and does not mean you shouldn't try it.  At least it is a free upgrade for the disabled.  And fortunately, Classic Shell
still works on Windows 10 as well.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?
 

Just go to Windows 10 at this point.  The Microsoft Disability Help Desk can assist you with installing it.  There is no deadline for blind users.  Windows 10 is not difficult to use.

Rich De Steno
On 3/22/2017 6:53 AM, Keith S wrote:
Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


Re: windows 7, is it still available?

James Bentley
 

Does anyone know when MS support ends for Windows7?
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?
 
Windows 10 has some advantages such as improved security, a few useful new features, support for newer hardware, blah blah blah, but it also has privacy issues and forced updates.  In addition, it's "Start" menu does not resemble the "Start" menu in older versions of Windows at all and is not very useful in my opinion.  Of course, these are only my opinions and does not mean you shouldn't try it.  At least it is a free upgrade for the disabled.  And fortunately, Classic Shell
still works on Windows 10 as well.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?
 

Just go to Windows 10 at this point.  The Microsoft Disability Help Desk can assist you with installing it.  There is no deadline for blind users.  Windows 10 is not difficult to use.

Rich De Steno
On 3/22/2017 6:53 AM, Keith S wrote:
Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


Re: windows 7, is it still available?

Carlos
 

Windows 10 has some advantages such as improved security, a few useful new features, support for newer hardware, blah blah blah, but it also has privacy issues and forced updates.  In addition, it's "Start" menu does not resemble the "Start" menu in older versions of Windows at all and is not very useful in my opinion.  Of course, these are only my opinions and does not mean you shouldn't try it.  At least it is a free upgrade for the disabled.  And fortunately, Classic Shell
still works on Windows 10 as well.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?

Just go to Windows 10 at this point.  The Microsoft Disability Help Desk can assist you with installing it.  There is no deadline for blind users.  Windows 10 is not difficult to use.

Rich De Steno
On 3/22/2017 6:53 AM, Keith S wrote:
Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


Re: windows 7, is it still available?

Carlos
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:53 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 7, is it still available?

Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


Re: windows 7, is it still available?

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

Just go to Windows 10 at this point.  The Microsoft Disability Help Desk can assist you with installing it.  There is no deadline for blind users.  Windows 10 is not difficult to use.

Rich De Steno
On 3/22/2017 6:53 AM, Keith S wrote:

Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


windows 7, is it still available?

Keith S
 

Hi, this past X-mas, my wife bought me a used windows 8 laptop from a coworker at the casino she works at.  I have window eyes installed on it, and have installed the shell start menu program to add more to the start menu so it more resembles windows xp (which I am moving from).
 
Is windows 7 even still available, and if so, where can I get it?  I absolutely hate windows 8 and wish windows would just leave things alone that were so popular in windows xp.  seems that nearly every person in the world, and almost every company, even banks, that I heard of, used xp and now poof. 
 
yes, the learning curve is very steep with windows 8, and even with the classic start menu somewhat back, it's a pain in the (blank) for me to work with.
 
So, i basically have put the laptop on a shelf and still use my windows xp notebook to do everything.  I know, major security holes and what not  due to MS not supporting XP updates anymore, but whatever.
 
Thanks for any info on windows 7
 


Re: question what text to search for for stores.

Keith S
 

many thanks gene.
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question what text to search for for stores.

If you are looking for stores that sell equipment for blind people you can try something like stores equipment blind. I tried it and I got a lot of results.  There are various things you can try.  If it hadn't produced good results, I would have tried phrases like accessories blind or products blind or other possibilities if those didn't produce good results.  Experiment when searching. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question what text to search for for stores.

Hi, wondering what is a good text string to serch for on google.com to find stores that carry accessible equipment for the blind.
 
I already use maxi aides but would like to  compare prices on different items (collapsable white canes, screen reader programs, etc
 
thanks
 
Keith


subscription address for blindad?

john s
 

Does anyone have the subscription address for the blindad list? Thanks.



John


Re: LAPTOP BAREBONES?

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Still, there is a significant amount of saving. In turkey for instance, at least 300-500 turkish liras. I could spend that extra 500 liras on better hardware specs for my system.

On 3/22/2017 12:11 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

There are a few providers who can provide this. See, for example
https://minifree.org/
or
https://system76.com/
These may come with Linux or with nothing at all, but in both cases,
you can format without booting and install whatever you like without issues
on them. Keep two things in mind, if I may raise them, though.
First, if you're doing this to save money, I would suggest that it
isn't going to help, simply because Windows machines include allot of
garbage software which helps lower their price. Frankly, with what most
companies think of security, it's not wise at this point to use a computer
out of the box, whenever I get a computer for myself or anyone else, I wipe
the drive, install the OS of choice from trusted media, install any drivers
which are needed, and go from there. You never see any of the garbage if you
do this. Note that even this isn't secure, as Lenovo has taught us, but It's
the best one can do without serious inconvenience in my view though I
welcome correction. Since I'm going to do that anyway, I see no reason to
spend more than I must, I might as well take advantage of the subsidy the
bloatware providers and Microsoft are providing, if any.
Secondly, if you're doing this obtaining of a no OS laptop for
security purposes, there's nothing secure enough, in my view. To lower the
security risk as much as possible, I would get a used machine like a
Thinkpad, pull the hard drive, and then install a new hard drive or sSSD
with my own OS. This still poses some risk, but it is reduced.
HTH,
Aman



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] LAPTOP BAREBONES?

Chief Aman, sorry for not being clear enough! Youthful exuberance, which
ought to have worn out, caused me to push the SEND button prematurely.

Yes, the barebone laptop can have a hard drive, but not formatted; yes, it
can have memory, graphics card, at least a 15.4-inch screen, a full-size
keyboard, but no OS installed.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado








Re: I phone lists for the blind

Carlos
 

iDevices
Subscribe:
idevices-request@...
with the word "subscribe" in the subject line.
Post:
idevices@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] I phone lists for the blind

What are some I phone lists for the blind?  Thanks.


I phone lists for the blind

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

What are some I phone lists for the blind?  Thanks.


Re: Portable copy of NVDA

Carlos
 

Run Narrator, navigate to the folder on the flash drive containing NVDA using Explorer, and select
nvda.exe
to start it. It is not possible to have NVDA run automatically by simply plugging in the flash drive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Onwardbob" <onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA


OK, I've never had a chance to test it on a clean unit. How would you
suggest getting NVDA to start on a clean unit?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA

That probably only works because there is also an installed copy of NVDA on
the machine. And in that case, it is the installed copy you are running,
not the portable copy on the flash drive. Normally, that should not work
unless you type the entire path to nvda.exe including the drive letter of
the flash drive. For example, F:\nvda\nvda.exe Of course, this will require
a bit of experimentation on any unfamiliar machine since you cannot know
what letter will be assigned to the flash drive in advance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Onwardbob" <onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA


What I do is first insert the flash drive. And then, hit the windows
key and R. Next, enter nvda.exe and hit enter. That should do it.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA

Hi Gene,



I first created a portable copy from the latest version of NVDA which
is now on my windows 7 machine. I then copied the portable copy from
my C drive on to the thumb drive. Then I ran it and heard the
descending noises it is supposed to make when doing this. This was
all done on the windows 7 machine. Then I placed the thumb drive in a
computer with windows 10 and nothing happened. Am I supposed to do
anything at this point?



Veronica



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA



What are you doing to start or run it? Evidently, you are trying to run a
portable version. How did you put the copy on the thumb drive and, as I
said, how are you trying to run it? At this point, we don't know if it's
running.

Portable NVDA should speak no matter where you run it from.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:06 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA



Hello List,



When placing a portable copy of NVDA that is on a flash drive on the
computer, is it supposed to automatically start speaking? I have been
working on this project for weeks, as I have never created a portable copy
of anything before. I supposedly have downloaded NVDA on to this flash
drive. Thank you.



Veronica










Re: Portable copy of NVDA

Onwardbob
 

OK, I've never had a chance to test it on a clean unit. How would you
suggest getting NVDA to start on a clean unit?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA

That probably only works because there is also an installed copy of NVDA on
the machine. And in that case, it is the installed copy you are running,
not the portable copy on the flash drive. Normally, that should not work
unless you type the entire path to nvda.exe including the drive letter of
the flash drive. For example, F:\nvda\nvda.exe Of course, this will require
a bit of experimentation on any unfamiliar machine since you cannot know
what letter will be assigned to the flash drive in advance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Onwardbob" <onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA


What I do is first insert the flash drive. And then, hit the windows
key and R. Next, enter nvda.exe and hit enter. That should do it.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA

Hi Gene,



I first created a portable copy from the latest version of NVDA which
is now on my windows 7 machine. I then copied the portable copy from
my C drive on to the thumb drive. Then I ran it and heard the
descending noises it is supposed to make when doing this. This was
all done on the windows 7 machine. Then I placed the thumb drive in a
computer with windows 10 and nothing happened. Am I supposed to do
anything at this point?



Veronica



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA



What are you doing to start or run it? Evidently, you are trying to run a
portable version. How did you put the copy on the thumb drive and, as I
said, how are you trying to run it? At this point, we don't know if it's
running.

Portable NVDA should speak no matter where you run it from.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:06 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] Portable copy of NVDA



Hello List,



When placing a portable copy of NVDA that is on a flash drive on the
computer, is it supposed to automatically start speaking? I have been
working on this project for weeks, as I have never created a portable copy
of anything before. I supposedly have downloaded NVDA on to this flash
drive. Thank you.



Veronica






Re: help needed with Thunderbird attachments

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Nancy,


This is a puzzling one. The only thing I can think of is to check under the view menu and see if the item display attachments inline is checked. If it is checked, then uncheck it by pressing enter on it. See if that helps.

On 3/22/2017 12:14 AM, Nancy Hill wrote:
I have gotten myself in a mess. Until this evening, I was adding attachments to my emails like a pro.


All of a sudden (after I had sent out some attachments) I could not find my list view of items.


Everything went as normal until I started to shift tab twice to get to where my list view items were.


The second shift tab which would normally land me on my items to be attached could no longer be found. Instead, the second shift tab landed me on something called the command module Toolbar and I can see no connection to my temporary file folder.


In my downloads folder everything seems normal. My temporary file folder is still there and the files are still inside. I must have done something, but I have no idea what it might have been

At that point, I was hopelessly lost.


Can some kind person please help me find the connection to my item view so I can start attaching items to my emails again?


Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated.


I have no clue what to do now...except ask for help.


Thanks,

Nancy


I am using win7pro and TB updated just the other day.



--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


help needed with Thunderbird attachments

Nancy Hill
 

I have gotten myself in a mess. Until this evening, I was adding attachments to my emails like a pro.


All of a sudden (after I had sent out some attachments) I could not find my list view of items.


Everything went as normal until I started to shift tab twice to get to where my list view items were.


The second shift tab which would normally land me on my items to be attached could no longer be found. Instead, the second shift tab landed me on something called the command module Toolbar and I can see no connection to my temporary file folder.


In my downloads folder everything seems normal. My temporary file folder is still there and the files are still inside. I must have done something, but I have no idea what it might have been

At that point, I was hopelessly lost.


Can some kind person please help me find the connection to my item view so I can start attaching items to my emails again?


Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated.


I have no clue what to do now...except ask for help.


Thanks,

Nancy


I am using win7pro and TB updated just the other day.


Re: finding windows 7

Gene
 

You don't need the model number after all.  I just looked up information.  You need the name of the computer model such as Latitude or Inspirn, spellling) but you don't need a number.  This page provides information and links to see how to do things.  You can get instructions on running the factory restore utility.  you will also see that the page tells you how to get a cd with the restore files on it if you need it.  You can get it from Dell or you can download the files yourself and, I assume, burn them to a CD in some way.  But before worrying about that, try the factory restore that should already be on your computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

You don't log in.  You use another computer to get the information using a Google or whatever search engine you need search.  You need sighted help to run the restore utility on the laptop.  You run it without booting into windows.  It runs before the machine boots. 
 
You have to know the procedure of the manufacturer to run it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

I hear all everyone is telling me but I can’t get passed that error page I can’t log in to the computer

So I am not sure how to go about it

Even if I get the numbers needed and the cd from del iwill it accept it? it won’t even let me log in it just goes round and round to the error page.

 

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

I don't know what the model number is of your machine.  You may need it to do an Internet search for something like restore to factory state.  I'm not sure if that's the best phrase to search for but something like Dell then model number and then restore to factory state might show relevant results.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

I do have sighted help but once I find this number then what?

Sorry I am just lost about this.

I am given all this wonderful advice but not sure how to put to practice.

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

It appears from one of your early messages that you have sighted help available.  You don't need a tech to do this and I suspect he might charge you fifty dollars.  If you can find the instructions for your brand and model, any sighted person who knows enough about computers to follow simple instructions such as to press this key or that key and then do this or that next, etc. can run it.  It is intended to be used without needing technical help.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Ok so let me ask this, in my case where all I get is that error note, all I do is tell the tech person therecovery partition and they can take oover from there?

sugar

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

You don't need the product key on the COA key sticker if you are going to use the recovery partition which is the better option.  The product key is only needed if you wind up having to use an installation disc.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

No problem Carlos, I have received very helpful suggestions here.

At this point I am stuck and the only way is to reinstall the windows 7 but before this I will try to figure out how to work with the number at the bottom of the lap top

Still not sure how that can work, if the tech people over the phone can do this or maybe I am better off to take it to the PCstation in town as Joseph suggested.

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Yes.  I misunderstood your previous message.  I thought you indicated you were able to boot into Safe Mode.  My apologies.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Carlos

I can’t even get pass the error windows.

Thanks

sugar

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

You may also want to try System Restore to resolve the issue before attempting any kind of recovery/reinstallation.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Hi

Let me give a little background, sorry about any confusion.

Jaws is not speaking to me right now so I had my husband talk to AT&T tech support.

We are paying for this support.

The error states that there was a malfunction or error in removing or installing a hard drive and if this error keeps appearing that I was to call the manufacture.

There was never an external drive attached.

So after Daniel(husband) turned the laptop on and was talking to the tech person he had Daniel start the lap top with the safe mode and in that boot list of options, he tried all of them and nothing

We tried repair mode, and the other 3 or 4 options.

It is running but we were told that possible we would have to reinstall the windows 7 due to a possible corruption to the hard drive or files.

Since we could not even get on line for them to access it we tried everything possible as far as we know and nothing.

 

When I received my lap top the tech company installed windows 7 and did not give me a backup disk because they downloaded it all from the internet or from their resources….

So now that I am needing it I don’t know how to retrieve it or get it

If I have to I will purchase it but if I don’t have to then I won’t.

I use windows 7, Microsoft 2010.

So any suggestions or directions would be appreciated.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Do you know the reason for the crash and do you know that the laptop is working properly?  How did AT&T determine anything if they couldn't remote into your computer?  I would suggest being more skeptical of technical support in general.  And, unless you are very confident of the information you get or unless it isn't practical, ask about the information here before taking actions. 

 

Why did you call AT&T, which isn't a computer company, about the problem?  The support staff helps with problems related to AT&T service and you haven't indicated this problem is related to that.  Is there something we don't know?  Perhaps that's why the person told you to reinstall Windows.  Unless there is something we don't know, that isn't proper advice. 

 

computers these days usually have a restore utility built in.  During boot up, you follow a certain procedure to have the computer returned to the factory state with Windows and anything else that was on the computer at the time of distribution restored.  In other words, the computer should be in the state it was in when you purchased it.  You need sighted help to follow the procedure.  it occurs before Windows starts to boot and there is no speech.  Different computers have different procedures for the factory restore option.  If you tell us what brand and model, if you know the model, you have, someone might be able to tell you the procedure or where to find it.  You don't reinstall Windows on a laptop in general because that means looking for proprietary drivers and also some laptops may have certain features that won't function unless the company's version of Windows is used. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Hi everyone

My lap top crashed and I will have to reinstall Windows 7, so I was told by the AT&T Tech support.

I was never given the CD for Windows 7 so I was wondering if there was a way or a place I can download the program?

Just thought I’d ask.

Thanks

Sugar

 

A wise old owl lived in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The less he spoke the more he heard.
Why can’t we all be like that wise old bird?

– Edward Hersey Richards

-So True, Sugar

 

 


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Re: finding windows 7

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Sugar,
 
What these 2 numbers do is help Dell identify your particular computer.  So, if you have to talk to them by phone to order a reinstallation disk, or flashdrive this helps them to send you exactly what that computer came with on that flashdrive, or disk.  This is only a last resort!  Doing what Carlos & Gene are suggesting is the best way to go.  Also, having the serial number of your computer will help a lot if you have to talk to Dell by phone.
 
The only reason I mentioned a flashcdrive is because I had a problem with a Dell desktop computer, & they sent me a flashdrive for my particular system to boot from, using the information they had from my particular Serial, Service Tag, & Express Service Code numbers.
Take care.
Mike
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Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sugar
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

Thanks Mike

So once I find these two numbers I have to get the disk?

Will you refresh my notes and tell me the name of disk I need from Del please?

Thanks

Sugar

 

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Hi Sugar,

 

If you have these 2 numbers it might have help in getting the correct disk for your laptop.  I don't recall if these numbers were on our Dell computers, or with the paperwork, but I believe they were on the towers.

Service Tag#:

Express Service Code#:

 

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

I don't know what the model number is of your machine.  You may need it to do an Internet search for something like restore to factory state.  I'm not sure if that's the best phrase to search for but something like Dell then model number and then restore to factory state might show relevant results.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

I do have sighted help but once I find this number then what?

Sorry I am just lost about this.

I am given all this wonderful advice but not sure how to put to practice.

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

It appears from one of your early messages that you have sighted help available.  You don't need a tech to do this and I suspect he might charge you fifty dollars.  If you can find the instructions for your brand and model, any sighted person who knows enough about computers to follow simple instructions such as to press this key or that key and then do this or that next, etc. can run it.  It is intended to be used without needing technical help.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Ok so let me ask this, in my case where all I get is that error note, all I do is tell the tech person therecovery partition and they can take oover from there?

sugar

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

You don't need the product key on the COA key sticker if you are going to use the recovery partition which is the better option.  The product key is only needed if you wind up having to use an installation disc.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

No problem Carlos, I have received very helpful suggestions here.

At this point I am stuck and the only way is to reinstall the windows 7 but before this I will try to figure out how to work with the number at the bottom of the lap top

Still not sure how that can work, if the tech people over the phone can do this or maybe I am better off to take it to the PCstation in town as Joseph suggested.

 

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Yes.  I misunderstood your previous message.  I thought you indicated you were able to boot into Safe Mode.  My apologies.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Carlos

I can’t even get pass the error windows.

Thanks

sugar

I'm in my own little world, but thats ok everybody knows me here

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

You may also want to try System Restore to resolve the issue before attempting any kind of recovery/reinstallation.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Hi

Let me give a little background, sorry about any confusion.

Jaws is not speaking to me right now so I had my husband talk to AT&T tech support.

We are paying for this support.

The error states that there was a malfunction or error in removing or installing a hard drive and if this error keeps appearing that I was to call the manufacture.

There was never an external drive attached.

So after Daniel(husband) turned the laptop on and was talking to the tech person he had Daniel start the lap top with the safe mode and in that boot list of options, he tried all of them and nothing

We tried repair mode, and the other 3 or 4 options.

It is running but we were told that possible we would have to reinstall the windows 7 due to a possible corruption to the hard drive or files.

Since we could not even get on line for them to access it we tried everything possible as far as we know and nothing.

 

When I received my lap top the tech company installed windows 7 and did not give me a backup disk because they downloaded it all from the internet or from their resources….

So now that I am needing it I don’t know how to retrieve it or get it

If I have to I will purchase it but if I don’t have to then I won’t.

I use windows 7, Microsoft 2010.

So any suggestions or directions would be appreciated.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Do you know the reason for the crash and do you know that the laptop is working properly?  How did AT&T determine anything if they couldn't remote into your computer?  I would suggest being more skeptical of technical support in general.  And, unless you are very confident of the information you get or unless it isn't practical, ask about the information here before taking actions. 

 

Why did you call AT&T, which isn't a computer company, about the problem?  The support staff helps with problems related to AT&T service and you haven't indicated this problem is related to that.  Is there something we don't know?  Perhaps that's why the person told you to reinstall Windows.  Unless there is something we don't know, that isn't proper advice. 

 

computers these days usually have a restore utility built in.  During boot up, you follow a certain procedure to have the computer returned to the factory state with Windows and anything else that was on the computer at the time of distribution restored.  In other words, the computer should be in the state it was in when you purchased it.  You need sighted help to follow the procedure.  it occurs before Windows starts to boot and there is no speech.  Different computers have different procedures for the factory restore option.  If you tell us what brand and model, if you know the model, you have, someone might be able to tell you the procedure or where to find it.  You don't reinstall Windows on a laptop in general because that means looking for proprietary drivers and also some laptops may have certain features that won't function unless the company's version of Windows is used. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sugar

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] finding windows 7

 

Hi everyone

My lap top crashed and I will have to reinstall Windows 7, so I was told by the AT&T Tech support.

I was never given the CD for Windows 7 so I was wondering if there was a way or a place I can download the program?

Just thought I’d ask.

Thanks

Sugar

 

A wise old owl lived in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The less he spoke the more he heard.
Why can’t we all be like that wise old bird?

– Edward Hersey Richards

-So True, Sugar

 

 


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