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Re: Avast On My Computer.

Barb O'Connor
 

Gene, I can do nothing with Microsoft Security Essentials and haven't been able to do anything for quite some time. Guess I'll just have to deal with it for now.

Thanks for your efforts. I really appreciate it.

Barb

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

NVDA can't see anything because of the self-defense module the program uses.  If you use JAWS, you can see what's there because the developers allowed JAWS through the self-defense barrier. 
 
Did you check to see if Microsoft Security Essentials can still download definitions?  I discussed that in my message yesterday and said that I could still download definitions until recently.  I can't now but that may have been for another reason which I won't go into here.  But even though Microsoft may claim you can't download definitions, you may still be able to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast On My Computer.

Well, Avast is on my computer but, it looks like it's totally inaccessible. I can find the icon and enter on it but then, there is nothing. My daughter located settings with the mouse but I couldn't. I tried both NVDA and JAWS11 and it was a no-go for me. I am using Windows Vista Home.
 
If anyone has any suggestions how I might work with this program, I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I will have to have someone else do the scan for me. I know it's a freed program but I sure wish there was some access to it.
 
Thanks for your response.
 
Barb



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Re: General IOS and android questions

Flor Lynch
 

On a Bluetooth keyboard in iOS, ctrlshift Option m will ‘double and hold’ on the current element. (This initiates the Delete, same as double-tap-and-hold does.) (Then you move down.) 
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:05 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] General IOS and android questions

Unless things have changed recently, there are some gestures in IOS which cannot be emulated with a blue tooth keyboard.  One  which comes to mind is the double tap and hold gesture in IOS.
What I would love to do is to compile a list of gestures both in Android and in IOS which cannot be emulated by a Blue Tooth keyboard.  Ideally, all gestures should have a keystroke to accomplish the desired action, but I know this is not presently the case.
Please help me compile this list. 


Don Roberts


Re: Avast On My Computer.

Gene
 

NVDA can't see anything because of the self-defense module the program uses.  If you use JAWS, you can see what's there because the developers allowed JAWS through the self-defense barrier. 
 
Did you check to see if Microsoft Security Essentials can still download definitions?  I discussed that in my message yesterday and said that I could still download definitions until recently.  I can't now but that may have been for another reason which I won't go into here.  But even though Microsoft may claim you can't download definitions, you may still be able to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Avast On My Computer.

Well, Avast is on my computer but, it looks like it's totally inaccessible. I can find the icon and enter on it but then, there is nothing. My daughter located settings with the mouse but I couldn't. I tried both NVDA and JAWS11 and it was a no-go for me. I am using Windows Vista Home.
 
If anyone has any suggestions how I might work with this program, I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I will have to have someone else do the scan for me. I know it's a freed program but I sure wish there was some access to it.
 
Thanks for your response.
 
Barb



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Avast On My Computer.

Barb O'Connor
 

Well, Avast is on my computer but, it looks like it's totally inaccessible. I can find the icon and enter on it but then, there is nothing. My daughter located settings with the mouse but I couldn't. I tried both NVDA and JAWS11 and it was a no-go for me. I am using Windows Vista Home.
 
If anyone has any suggestions how I might work with this program, I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I will have to have someone else do the scan for me. I know it's a freed program but I sure wish there was some access to it.
 
Thanks for your response.
 
Barb



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Re: Antivirus Program Concerns.

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hello, List,

I downloaded and ran Avast. After a pause, I heard: "Avast antivirus."

Nothing else happened. I checked the focus. I saw the program name, that it was English. There was a reference to a license agreement. Then it showed where I could install Chrome or a Google toolbar for Internet explorer.

Tabbing or arrowing showed nothing more. If I pressed Esc, I had a chance to quit the setup. Even at that, it was hard to do.

I must have missed something, but what is it?

Joe Giovanelli

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 17, 2017 15:50
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Antivirus Program Concerns.



First, even though Microsoft claims it no longer supports Microsoft Security essentials. see if the program is still updating definitions or if manually updating causes it to update. The XP version of Microsoft Security Essentials continued to update its definitions about two years after Microsoft said it wouldn't be supported. I'm not sure if it still does.

GGene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Antivirus Program Concerns.


Why not try Avast?
https://www.avast.com/en-us/index
They have a free version and it still supports Vista. Also, keep in mind that while it is good to be cautious, there is such a thing as being too paranoid. There is no reason why downloading from known/secure sites such as BARD and Bookshare should generally be dangerous.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barb O'Connor
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 3:13 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Antivirus Program Concerns.


I'm going to propose my problem again and hopefully someone will have an answer for me.

As many of you know, I am still stuck with Windows Vista Home but have at least upgraded to Firefox and NVDA rather than using IE8 and JAWS11. As support ended for Vista on April 11, I can no longer use MSSE for my virus protection. People have steered me towards sophos home and I have checked on the website and it looks like you have to have Windows7, at least.

Is there nothing out there for me? Am I going to have to take the chance and run my computer unprotected? I've had a couple of issues, when protected, so the thought of not having something that will work is really quite scary. I don't think it would be worth it to call the Microsoft support number because they're just going to tell me to upgrade. I can't, right now.

There are certain things I would like to continue doing, such as downloading from BARD and Bookshare but not even sure I should do that.

It is my understanding that I can use Norton from Comcast, my ISP. I know that it not all that accessible and I know that it is a memory hog and some have told me not to use it at all. Wouldn't it be better than nothing if it will still work on Vista?

I'm grasping at straws fold, and, even though Microsoft gave all sorts of warning about the end of support, it came up entirely too fast for me. Money is the biggest issue here as you know.

Thanks for reading.

Barb


Re: KVM With Audio Switches

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Chief Mike, you're a mind reader! I had wanted for days to ask the same
question, albeit I want one that would let me plug in three to four
computers along with audio.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Thunderbird 52 bug, **do not update before reading this**

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

Hi

  I took my Fire-bird back to 45.  It works just like before.


Marsha


On 4/18/2017 10:38 AM, Raimund wrote:
hi,
it works with NVDA, and I have literally just updated, mainly so I can get back to you.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 18/04/17 2:17 PM, Norman wrote:
Hello.

I find this interesting. I updated to jaws 18 to see if that would fix the issue. It does not, at least not for me.

I'm using tb 32 bit. What do you have?

For those that follow the blindtech list, it seems as though i'm not the only one with the issue. I'd like to track it down.


Thanks.








On 4/11/2017 9:51 AM, Chris G wrote:
Hi,
I'm using Thunderbird 52 and JAWS 18 under windows 10 with no issue.
Are you using the  32 bit or 64 bit version of TB?



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-------- Original Message --------
From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, Apr 11, 2017 9:19 AM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Thunderbird 52 bug, **do not update before reading this**


Good morning.

I had to refresh my pc yesterday for some unrelated reasons and when i
reinstalled thunderbird afterwards i ran into a serious issue. I was
able to set up the account like usual but when going to the message list
i was not able to read it.

up and down arrows gave no feedback.

None of the other systems i looked at had this issue so i installed
thunderbird 45.8.0 to see if it would work. Everything worked there so i
intentially upgraded a different computer to thunderbird 52. Please
note, that was the only change on that system and immediately after the
upgrade it broke the message list again.


I filed a bug on bugzilla here.
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1355457>


I was using the following system setup

operating system, windows 8.1

screen reader jaws 17


Note, NVDA is not affected by this as far as i can tell.


Can others please varify this and report back?


Thanks.









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Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Carolyn Arnold
 

My windows face east, and we're at the bottom of a hill.
Plus about 30 feet from the east-facing windows are woods -
mighty tall trees making for nice view. So this has been
informative to me. I would think that trying to get an
anatomic watch for me would be a futile investment.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was:
[TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi, ron,

There are many factors which determine how well your watch
or any watch for that matter, will update.

Most watches try to update at 3 AM when the signal from the
time standard is strongest. This signal does not have the
same strength from day to day. Solar energy and other things
in the atmosphere determine signal strength at any given
time.

The construction of your apartment can make it more
difficult for the signal to get into your own apartment. It
is good when your windows face west, toward Colorado (where
the radio transmissions originate).

My apartment windows face east. Signals will get through but
will be greatly attenuated. Even the best watch radios may
not receive sufficient signal to get the watch to update.
I'm happy if my watch updates once a week.

More could be written about this but I hope this gives you a
good picture of what's taking place.

Joe Giovanelli
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:00
Subject: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re:
[TechTalk] talking wrist watches



Hi Group,


For those who like this 4 alarm atomic talking wrist watch
and who are having success with it's updating automatically,
I would like to know just where you are living. The reason
I ask is because I have had a lot of difficulty getting 3 of
my devices to update living here in the Buffalo, New York
area. Only one device updates consistently. I read
somewhere that people along the east coast of the US have
such issues.



Thanks for any response.




On 4/17/2017 8:15 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:

Here's what I found is almost the size of the band. Are
you familiar with those spice container bottles which you
get at discount stores? They're about 4 inches tall and
many have tops that either turn or flip open. I found the
band stretches just slightly when placing one of those
inside of it. As for the band, I broke one by turning the
watch inside out in the band. I couldn't find a band to fit
it at the discount stores. It seems to be special, so I
don't know if its resizeable or not, but I sort of think
your wrist must be larger than one of those spice bottles.
The watch I was talking about with the second hand having to
stop a second from the number 7, is the atomic watch from
blind mice mart. I wouldn't get that one, as it requires
sighted help for setup. Blind mice mart also sells that 4
alarm deluxe watch that future aids carries, but the
shipping makes it more costly than Future aids. Oh, one
other thing about this atomic watch... It gives you talking
instructions for how to set the time and date and
everything. Pretty nice if you need to manually adjust it
because it couldn't see the radio signal. I worried about
it not seeing the signal, and did the putting it in the west
facing window at night for a while. Then I forgot, and
found it set itself even if I was wearing it at night. It
will keep time to the second for a week or so anyway. Three
pushes on the talk button will tell you if your watch is
synced to the radio signal. You can also turn the watch off
at anytime you want to stop it by pulling out the time set
stem for the conventional watch hands, it saves the battery.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


I have rather narrow wrists for a man. Do you think I
would have to get the band adjusted or replaced? No jewelry
stores or walmart would adjust the band on my deluxe watch
and my cousin had to do it and one of the links broke last
week.

Thanks

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Thomas
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi Terry, I use to use the 4-alarm deluxe watch from The
Braille Superstore too. Then they were out of stock on the
things for about 6 months. I took the plunge and ordered
the atomic talking watch they sell as its the few that have
a stainless steel band, although its stretch instead of
bracelet style. I love the damn thing. How great it is to
never have to set it. It has a male voice with a slight
British accent, but is easily understood. I've looked at
others, and one you have to stop the second hand within a
second of 7 or something like that. This one, you just set
either the hands like a conventional watch, or adjust the
digital settings. The watch will move the hands to the
digital time. Then during the next night everything is set
to the U S government standard. Read the instructions on
Future Aids.com (Braille Superstore) and see what you think.
I couldn't be happier with my purchase. The price is $34.95
as I recall, and free shipping.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi,

Looking to purchase another talking watch...the last one I
got was from the braille superstore or something like that,
worked great, but took me 8 months to find a store to alter
the size of the band and now one of the band pins has come
out and cannot find a replacement.

Can't beat the low prices of the store, but I guess you
get what you pay for (the bands are very delicate).

Looking to purchse a talking watch for under $35.00 with
either a braclet style band or a leather wrist band.

any ideas on where I can get something like this?

Thanks

keith


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Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Gene
 

That's interesting.  I had assumed for years that the signal of WWV was used.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi, Gene,

The time signals transmitted from WWVB are NOT shortwave. Their frequency is 60 kHz. There is another group of transmitters which do send time signals via shortwave. This group has the callsign WWV.

These signals can be heard on most shortwave radios. They transmit many kinds of time-related info. In most instances they do not set clocks automatically.

It requires a special receiver to intercept signals from WWVB. They cannot be heard without being heterodyned with a BFO. They transmit their data by amplitude modulating the carrier.

Timepieces designed to interpret these carrier level changes have tiny and efficient radio receivers to accomplish this. It takes quite a while to transmit frames which include the time and date. The watches or clocks require a few frame repetitions for it to be certain that the data is correct. If it is not, no update occurs.

It's a fascinating arrangement. It's slow but it works very well.

Joe Giovanelli

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene  <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:04
Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

>
>
> Since it is a shortwave signal, I wouldn't assume that facing towards the source would improve signal strength.  Try different directions.  Also, if you have good AM reception in your building, using windows is unnecessary and you can tweak the direction mor without using one and its also more convenient not to use a window.  In some buildings, where reception isn't impeded by the construction of the building and interference isn't high from appliances or other causes in the building, the window shouldn't make a difference or it shouldn't be important.  But you can try different windows if you don't have good results elsewhere.

> I don't have the clock and I don't know specifically what the manual says.  I wouldn't be surprised if people on the east coast would have just as good results if they tried various directions.  I used to have a short wave and I learned a little about propagation.  I see no reason why the east coast would receive a weaker signal.  In addition, the signal is largely meant to be used by ships at sea and the east coast would be expected to be within the target areas.

> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Mike Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:58 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
>
>
> I'm located in the Tampa Bay, Florida area.  Let me clarify, its not a 4 alarm watch that is the atomic watch.  The atomic watch is a single alarm watch.  Can you try putting the watch in a window that faces toward Colorado to see if signal quality improves?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Canazzi
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:00 AM
> Subject: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
>
> For those who like this 4 alarm atomic talking wrist watch and who are having success with it's updating automatically, I would like to know just where you are living.  The reason I ask is because I have had a lot of difficulty getting 3 of my devices to update living here in the Buffalo, New York area.  Only one device updates consistently.  I read somewhere that people along the east coast of the US have such issues. 
>
>
>
> Thanks for any response.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2017 8:15 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
>
> Here's what I found is almost the size of the band.  Are you familiar with those spice container bottles which you get at discount stores?  They're about 4 inches tall and many have tops that either turn or flip open.  I found the band stretches just slightly when placing one of those inside of it.  As for the band, I broke one by turning the watch inside out in the band.  I couldn't find a band to fit it at the discount stores.  It seems to be special, so I don't know if its resizeable or not, but I sort of think your wrist must be larger than one of those spice bottles.  The watch I was talking about with the second hand having to stop a second from the number 7, is the atomic watch from blind mice mart.  I wouldn't get that one, as it requires sighted help for setup.  Blind mice mart also sells that 4 alarm deluxe watch that future aids carries, but the shipping makes it more costly than Future aids.  Oh, one other thing about this atomic watch...  It gives you talking !
 instructions for how to set the time and date and everything.  Pretty nice if you need to manually adjust it because it couldn't see the radio signal.  I worried about it not seeing the signal, and did the putting it in the west facing window at night for a while.  Then I forgot, and found it set itself even if I was wearing it at night.  It will keep time to the second for a week or so anyway.  Three pushes on the talk button will tell you if your watch is synced to the radio signal.  You can also turn the watch off at anytime you want to stop it by pulling out the time set stem for the conventional watch hands, it saves the battery.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith S
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
>
>
> I have rather narrow wrists for a man.  Do you think I would have to get the band adjusted or replaced?  No jewelry stores or walmart would adjust the band on my deluxe watch and my cousin had to do it and one of the links broke last week.

> Thanks

> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Thomas
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
>
>
> Hi Terry,  I use to use the 4-alarm deluxe watch from The Braille Superstore too.  Then they were out of stock on the things for about 6 months.  I took the plunge and ordered the atomic talking watch they sell as its the few that have a stainless steel band, although its stretch instead of bracelet style.  I love the damn thing.  How great it is to never have to set it.  It has a male voice with a slight British accent, but is easily understood.  I've looked at others, and one you have to stop the second hand within a second of 7 or something like that.  This one, you just set either the hands like a conventional watch, or adjust the digital settings.  The watch will move the hands to the digital time.  Then during the next night everything is set to the U S government standard.  Read the instructions on Future Aids.com (Braille Superstore) and see what you think.  I couldn't be happier with my purchase.  The price is $34.95 as I recall, and free shipping.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith S
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:29 PM
> Subject: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
>
>
> Hi,

> Looking to purchase another talking watch...the last one I got was from the braille superstore or something like that, worked great, but took me 8 months to find a store to alter the size of the band and now one of the band pins has come out and cannot find a replacement.

> Can't beat the low prices of the store, but I guess you get what you pay for (the bands are very delicate).

> Looking to purchse a talking watch for under $35.00 with either a braclet style band or a leather wrist band.

> any ideas on where I can get something like this?

> Thanks

> keith
>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>



Re: Thunderbird 52 bug, **do not update before reading this**

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi,
it works with NVDA, and I have literally just updated, mainly so I can get back to you.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 18/04/17 2:17 PM, Norman wrote:
Hello.
I find this interesting. I updated to jaws 18 to see if that would fix the issue. It does not, at least not for me.
I'm using tb 32 bit. What do you have?
For those that follow the blindtech list, it seems as though i'm not the only one with the issue. I'd like to track it down.
Thanks.
On 4/11/2017 9:51 AM, Chris G wrote:
Hi,
I'm using Thunderbird 52 and JAWS 18 under windows 10 with no issue.
Are you using the 32 bit or 64 bit version of TB?



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-------- Original Message --------
From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, Apr 11, 2017 9:19 AM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Thunderbird 52 bug, **do not update before reading this**


Good morning.

I had to refresh my pc yesterday for some unrelated reasons and when i
reinstalled thunderbird afterwards i ran into a serious issue. I was
able to set up the account like usual but when going to the message list
i was not able to read it.

up and down arrows gave no feedback.

None of the other systems i looked at had this issue so i installed
thunderbird 45.8.0 to see if it would work. Everything worked there so i
intentially upgraded a different computer to thunderbird 52. Please
note, that was the only change on that system and immediately after the
upgrade it broke the message list again.


I filed a bug on bugzilla here.
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1355457>


I was using the following system setup

operating system, windows 8.1

screen reader jaws 17


Note, NVDA is not affected by this as far as i can tell.


Can others please varify this and report back?


Thanks.









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Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hi, Gene,

The time signals transmitted from WWVB are NOT shortwave. Their frequency is 60 kHz. There is another group of transmitters which do send time signals via shortwave. This group has the callsign WWV.

These signals can be heard on most shortwave radios. They transmit many kinds of time-related info. In most instances they do not set clocks automatically.

It requires a special receiver to intercept signals from WWVB. They cannot be heard without being heterodyned with a BFO. They transmit their data by amplitude modulating the carrier.

Timepieces designed to interpret these carrier level changes have tiny and efficient radio receivers to accomplish this. It takes quite a while to transmit frames which include the time and date. The watches or clocks require a few frame repetitions for it to be certain that the data is correct. If it is not, no update occurs.

It's a fascinating arrangement. It's slow but it works very well.

Joe Giovanelli

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:04
Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches



Since it is a shortwave signal, I wouldn't assume that facing towards the source would improve signal strength. Try different directions. Also, if you have good AM reception in your building, using windows is unnecessary and you can tweak the direction mor without using one and its also more convenient not to use a window. In some buildings, where reception isn't impeded by the construction of the building and interference isn't high from appliances or other causes in the building, the window shouldn't make a difference or it shouldn't be important. But you can try different windows if you don't have good results elsewhere.

I don't have the clock and I don't know specifically what the manual says. I wouldn't be surprised if people on the east coast would have just as good results if they tried various directions. I used to have a short wave and I learned a little about propagation. I see no reason why the east coast would receive a weaker signal. In addition, the signal is largely meant to be used by ships at sea and the east coast would be expected to be within the target areas.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


I'm located in the Tampa Bay, Florida area. Let me clarify, its not a 4 alarm watch that is the atomic watch. The atomic watch is a single alarm watch. Can you try putting the watch in a window that faces toward Colorado to see if signal quality improves?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi Group,


For those who like this 4 alarm atomic talking wrist watch and who are having success with it's updating automatically, I would like to know just where you are living. The reason I ask is because I have had a lot of difficulty getting 3 of my devices to update living here in the Buffalo, New York area. Only one device updates consistently. I read somewhere that people along the east coast of the US have such issues.



Thanks for any response.




On 4/17/2017 8:15 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:

Here's what I found is almost the size of the band. Are you familiar with those spice container bottles which you get at discount stores? They're about 4 inches tall and many have tops that either turn or flip open. I found the band stretches just slightly when placing one of those inside of it. As for the band, I broke one by turning the watch inside out in the band. I couldn't find a band to fit it at the discount stores. It seems to be special, so I don't know if its resizeable or not, but I sort of think your wrist must be larger than one of those spice bottles. The watch I was talking about with the second hand having to stop a second from the number 7, is the atomic watch from blind mice mart. I wouldn't get that one, as it requires sighted help for setup. Blind mice mart also sells that 4 alarm deluxe watch that future aids carries, but the shipping makes it more costly than Future aids. Oh, one other thing about this atomic watch... It gives you talking instructions for how to set the time and date and everything. Pretty nice if you need to manually adjust it because it couldn't see the radio signal. I worried about it not seeing the signal, and did the putting it in the west facing window at night for a while. Then I forgot, and found it set itself even if I was wearing it at night. It will keep time to the second for a week or so anyway. Three pushes on the talk button will tell you if your watch is synced to the radio signal. You can also turn the watch off at anytime you want to stop it by pulling out the time set stem for the conventional watch hands, it saves the battery.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


I have rather narrow wrists for a man. Do you think I would have to get the band adjusted or replaced? No jewelry stores or walmart would adjust the band on my deluxe watch and my cousin had to do it and one of the links broke last week.

Thanks

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Thomas
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi Terry, I use to use the 4-alarm deluxe watch from The Braille Superstore too. Then they were out of stock on the things for about 6 months. I took the plunge and ordered the atomic talking watch they sell as its the few that have a stainless steel band, although its stretch instead of bracelet style. I love the damn thing. How great it is to never have to set it. It has a male voice with a slight British accent, but is easily understood. I've looked at others, and one you have to stop the second hand within a second of 7 or something like that. This one, you just set either the hands like a conventional watch, or adjust the digital settings. The watch will move the hands to the digital time. Then during the next night everything is set to the U S government standard. Read the instructions on Future Aids.com (Braille Superstore) and see what you think. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. The price is $34.95 as I recall, and free shipping.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi,

Looking to purchase another talking watch...the last one I got was from the braille superstore or something like that, worked great, but took me 8 months to find a store to alter the size of the band and now one of the band pins has come out and cannot find a replacement.

Can't beat the low prices of the store, but I guess you get what you pay for (the bands are very delicate).

Looking to purchse a talking watch for under $35.00 with either a braclet style band or a leather wrist band.

any ideas on where I can get something like this?

Thanks

keith


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Re: talking wrist watches

Gene
 

Are you saying you want to use just regular headphones or something with a microphone attached?  Since you record from the phone, you should be able to use standard headphones for listening with the jack you use for recording.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

I have a Nokia n95 phone.  It comes with a horrible pair of earbuds.  I have
tried to find a headset that works with it, but none of them I have tried
match, except the thing that comes with them.  They have a low feedback
rumble somehow, between the earphones and the microphone.  People don't
believe me until I tell them to put the headset on and listen, then they are
so surprised.  Of course, the first thing they try to tell me is that the
jack is broken.  It's not, because I have hooked its stock earphones up to
it, and I have also patched it into my bookport desktop to record stuff off
of it and it works fine.  I'd love to find something that works.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

I still am in total agreement with you, Ann, about speech
and devices. I keep a headset on hand to use for my phone.
That way, in a doctor's office, if I'm waiting for someone,
I can go into my phone, clear out messages and recent calls,
all that stuff without making a sound. At cards, Scrabble or
in church, wherever, I can check the time without making a
sound. In bed at 2 in the morning, I can check time and not
wake up my husband.

I think that this is strictly philosophical. Not everyone
has strong feelings about this or even feelings one way or
another.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi all,

I'd go to LS&S or ILA. If you don't like the Braille Super
Store, I believe that if you can find a Radio Shack, they
sell talking watches.

Me, I pay more, but I get Braille watches; so much more
professional and elegant.  You don't have everyone turning
their head to look at you when you check the time.  You can
wear something that looks like a real watch and isn't a
mickey mouse gadget.  I tried talking watches for years, and
they either ran out of battery life in six months, the
plastic band broke, or the buttons fell off.  Yes, you get
what you pay for.  A $9.95 item is just that.  If you're a
professional, get yourself a braille watch.  Lest you think
that you have to read Braille in order to use a Braille
watch, you don't.  A Braille watch is one that has dots at
the hours, just dots.  They aren't Braille letters.
You lift the crystal to feel the time.  If you really want
to spend money you can get one of those vibrating watches.
I've never had one, so I can't talk about them.


Ann P.

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Re: talking wrist watches

Keith S
 

plus with radioshack having declared bankrupsy recently (again) I am sure they do not.  I'll check anyway.
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

I don't know that radioshack has sold talking watches for years, now.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi all,

I'd go to LS&S or ILA. If you don't like the Braille Super Store, I
believe that if you can find a Radio Shack, they sell talking watches.

Me, I pay more, but I get Braille watches; so much more professional
and elegant.  You don't have everyone turning their head to look at you
when you check the time.  You can wear something that looks like a real
watch and isn't a mickey mouse gadget.  I tried talking watches for
years, and they either ran out of battery life in six months, the
plastic band broke, or the buttons fell off.  Yes, you get what you pay
for.  A $9.95 item is just that.  If you're a professional, get
yourself a braille watch.  Lest you think that you have to read Braille
in order to use a Braille watch, you don't.  A Braille watch is one
that has dots at the hours, just dots.  They aren't Braille letters.
You lift the crystal to feel the time.  If you really want to spend
money you can get one of those vibrating watches.  I've never had one,
so I can't talk about them.


Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
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Re: talking wrist watches

Pamela Dominguez
 

I have a Nokia n95 phone. It comes with a horrible pair of earbuds. I have tried to find a headset that works with it, but none of them I have tried match, except the thing that comes with them. They have a low feedback rumble somehow, between the earphones and the microphone. People don't believe me until I tell them to put the headset on and listen, then they are so surprised. Of course, the first thing they try to tell me is that the jack is broken. It's not, because I have hooked its stock earphones up to it, and I have also patched it into my bookport desktop to record stuff off of it and it works fine. I'd love to find something that works. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

I still am in total agreement with you, Ann, about speech
and devices. I keep a headset on hand to use for my phone.
That way, in a doctor's office, if I'm waiting for someone,
I can go into my phone, clear out messages and recent calls,
all that stuff without making a sound. At cards, Scrabble or
in church, wherever, I can check the time without making a
sound. In bed at 2 in the morning, I can check time and not
wake up my husband.

I think that this is strictly philosophical. Not everyone
has strong feelings about this or even feelings one way or
another.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi all,

I'd go to LS&S or ILA. If you don't like the Braille Super
Store, I believe that if you can find a Radio Shack, they
sell talking watches.

Me, I pay more, but I get Braille watches; so much more
professional and elegant. You don't have everyone turning
their head to look at you when you check the time. You can
wear something that looks like a real watch and isn't a
mickey mouse gadget. I tried talking watches for years, and
they either ran out of battery life in six months, the
plastic band broke, or the buttons fell off. Yes, you get
what you pay for. A $9.95 item is just that. If you're a
professional, get yourself a braille watch. Lest you think
that you have to read Braille in order to use a Braille
watch, you don't. A Braille watch is one that has dots at
the hours, just dots. They aren't Braille letters.
You lift the crystal to feel the time. If you really want
to spend money you can get one of those vibrating watches.
I've never had one, so I can't talk about them.


Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
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General IOS and android questions

Donald L. Roberts
 

Unless things have changed recently, there are some gestures in IOS which cannot be emulated with a blue tooth keyboard.  One  which comes to mind is the double tap and hold gesture in IOS.
What I would love to do is to compile a list of gestures both in Android and in IOS which cannot be emulated by a Blue Tooth keyboard.  Ideally, all gestures should have a keystroke to accomplish the desired action, but I know this is not presently the case.
Please help me compile this list. 


Don Roberts


Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hi, ron,

There are many factors which determine how well your watch or any watch for that matter, will update.

Most watches try to update at 3 AM when the signal from the time standard is strongest. This signal does not have the same strength from day to day. Solar energy and other things in the atmosphere determine signal strength at any given time.

The construction of your apartment can make it more difficult for the signal to get into your own apartment. It is good when your windows face west, toward Colorado (where the radio transmissions originate).

My apartment windows face east. Signals will get through but will be greatly attenuated. Even the best watch radios may not receive sufficient signal to get the watch to update. I'm happy if my watch updates once a week.

More could be written about this but I hope this gives you a good picture of what's taking place.

Joe Giovanelli

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:00
Subject: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches



Hi Group,


For those who like this 4 alarm atomic talking wrist watch and who are having success with it's updating automatically, I would like to know just where you are living. The reason I ask is because I have had a lot of difficulty getting 3 of my devices to update living here in the Buffalo, New York area. Only one device updates consistently. I read somewhere that people along the east coast of the US have such issues.



Thanks for any response.




On 4/17/2017 8:15 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:

Here's what I found is almost the size of the band. Are you familiar with those spice container bottles which you get at discount stores? They're about 4 inches tall and many have tops that either turn or flip open. I found the band stretches just slightly when placing one of those inside of it. As for the band, I broke one by turning the watch inside out in the band. I couldn't find a band to fit it at the discount stores. It seems to be special, so I don't know if its resizeable or not, but I sort of think your wrist must be larger than one of those spice bottles. The watch I was talking about with the second hand having to stop a second from the number 7, is the atomic watch from blind mice mart. I wouldn't get that one, as it requires sighted help for setup. Blind mice mart also sells that 4 alarm deluxe watch that future aids carries, but the shipping makes it more costly than Future aids. Oh, one other thing about this atomic watch... It gives you talking instructions for how to set the time and date and everything. Pretty nice if you need to manually adjust it because it couldn't see the radio signal. I worried about it not seeing the signal, and did the putting it in the west facing window at night for a while. Then I forgot, and found it set itself even if I was wearing it at night. It will keep time to the second for a week or so anyway. Three pushes on the talk button will tell you if your watch is synced to the radio signal. You can also turn the watch off at anytime you want to stop it by pulling out the time set stem for the conventional watch hands, it saves the battery.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


I have rather narrow wrists for a man. Do you think I would have to get the band adjusted or replaced? No jewelry stores or walmart would adjust the band on my deluxe watch and my cousin had to do it and one of the links broke last week.

Thanks

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Thomas
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi Terry, I use to use the 4-alarm deluxe watch from The Braille Superstore too. Then they were out of stock on the things for about 6 months. I took the plunge and ordered the atomic talking watch they sell as its the few that have a stainless steel band, although its stretch instead of bracelet style. I love the damn thing. How great it is to never have to set it. It has a male voice with a slight British accent, but is easily understood. I've looked at others, and one you have to stop the second hand within a second of 7 or something like that. This one, you just set either the hands like a conventional watch, or adjust the digital settings. The watch will move the hands to the digital time. Then during the next night everything is set to the U S government standard. Read the instructions on Future Aids.com (Braille Superstore) and see what you think. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. The price is $34.95 as I recall, and free shipping.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches


Hi,

Looking to purchase another talking watch...the last one I got was from the braille superstore or something like that, worked great, but took me 8 months to find a store to alter the size of the band and now one of the band pins has come out and cannot find a replacement.

Can't beat the low prices of the store, but I guess you get what you pay for (the bands are very delicate).

Looking to purchse a talking watch for under $35.00 with either a braclet style band or a leather wrist band.

any ideas on where I can get something like this?

Thanks

keith


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: talking wrist watches

Pamela Dominguez
 

I don't know that radioshack has sold talking watches for years, now. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi all,

I'd go to LS&S or ILA. If you don't like the Braille Super Store, I
believe that if you can find a Radio Shack, they sell talking watches.

Me, I pay more, but I get Braille watches; so much more professional
and elegant. You don't have everyone turning their head to look at you
when you check the time. You can wear something that looks like a real
watch and isn't a mickey mouse gadget. I tried talking watches for
years, and they either ran out of battery life in six months, the
plastic band broke, or the buttons fell off. Yes, you get what you pay
for. A $9.95 item is just that. If you're a professional, get
yourself a braille watch. Lest you think that you have to read Braille
in order to use a Braille watch, you don't. A Braille watch is one
that has dots at the hours, just dots. They aren't Braille letters.
You lift the crystal to feel the time. If you really want to spend
money you can get one of those vibrating watches. I've never had one,
so I can't talk about them.


Ann P.

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Re: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Pamela Dominguez
 

I have the atomic clock, and mine updates fine.  I live on the border of Long Island and New York city.  I do know a few other people who have this clock and have had trouble with it.  I think there may have been a rash of defective ones that have antenna troubles.  I don’t know if the same holds true for the watches.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: Location Inquiry For Atomic Watches: Was: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
 

Hi Group,

 

For those who like this 4 alarm atomic talking wrist watch and who are having success with it's updating automatically, I would like to know just where you are living.  The reason I ask is because I have had a lot of difficulty getting 3 of my devices to update living here in the Buffalo, New York area.  Only one device updates consistently.  I read somewhere that people along the east coast of the US have such issues. 

 

Thanks for any response.

 


On 4/17/2017 8:15 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
Here's what I found is almost the size of the band.  Are you familiar with those spice container bottles which you get at discount stores?  They're about 4 inches tall and many have tops that either turn or flip open.  I found the band stretches just slightly when placing one of those inside of it.  As for the band, I broke one by turning the watch inside out in the band.  I couldn't find a band to fit it at the discount stores.  It seems to be special, so I don't know if its resizeable or not, but I sort of think your wrist must be larger than one of those spice bottles.  The watch I was talking about with the second hand having to stop a second from the number 7, is the atomic watch from blind mice mart.  I wouldn't get that one, as it requires sighted help for setup.  Blind mice mart also sells that 4 alarm deluxe watch that future aids carries, but the shipping makes it more costly than Future aids.  Oh, one other thing about this atomic watch...  It gives you talking instructions for how to set the time and date and everything.  Pretty nice if you need to manually adjust it because it couldn't see the radio signal.  I worried about it not seeing the signal, and did the putting it in the west facing window at night for a while.  Then I forgot, and found it set itself even if I was wearing it at night.  It will keep time to the second for a week or so anyway.  Three pushes on the talk button will tell you if your watch is synced to the radio signal.  You can also turn the watch off at anytime you want to stop it by pulling out the time set stem for the conventional watch hands, it saves the battery.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
 
I have rather narrow wrists for a man.  Do you think I would have to get the band adjusted or replaced?  No jewelry stores or walmart would adjust the band on my deluxe watch and my cousin had to do it and one of the links broke last week.
 
Thanks
 
Keith
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
 
Hi Terry,  I use to use the 4-alarm deluxe watch from The Braille Superstore too.  Then they were out of stock on the things for about 6 months.  I took the plunge and ordered the atomic talking watch they sell as its the few that have a stainless steel band, although its stretch instead of bracelet style.  I love the damn thing.  How great it is to never have to set it.  It has a male voice with a slight British accent, but is easily understood.  I've looked at others, and one you have to stop the second hand within a second of 7 or something like that.  This one, you just set either the hands like a conventional watch, or adjust the digital settings.  The watch will move the hands to the digital time.  Then during the next night everything is set to the U S government standard.  Read the instructions on Future Aids.com (Braille Superstore) and see what you think.  I couldn't be happier with my purchase.  The price is $34.95 as I recall, and free shipping.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches
 
Hi,
 
Looking to purchase another talking watch...the last one I got was from the braille superstore or something like that, worked great, but took me 8 months to find a store to alter the size of the band and now one of the band pins has come out and cannot find a replacement.
 
Can't beat the low prices of the store, but I guess you get what you pay for (the bands are very delicate).
 
Looking to purchse a talking watch for under $35.00 with either a braclet style band or a leather wrist band.
 
any ideas on where I can get something like this?
 
Thanks
 
keith

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Re: talking wrist watches

Carolyn Arnold
 

I still am in total agreement with you, Ann, about speech
and devices. I keep a headset on hand to use for my phone.
That way, in a doctor's office, if I'm waiting for someone,
I can go into my phone, clear out messages and recent calls,
all that stuff without making a sound. At cards, Scrabble or
in church, wherever, I can check the time without making a
sound. In bed at 2 in the morning, I can check time and not
wake up my husband.

I think that this is strictly philosophical. Not everyone
has strong feelings about this or even feelings one way or
another.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking wrist watches

Hi all,

I'd go to LS&S or ILA. If you don't like the Braille Super
Store, I believe that if you can find a Radio Shack, they
sell talking watches.

Me, I pay more, but I get Braille watches; so much more
professional and elegant. You don't have everyone turning
their head to look at you when you check the time. You can
wear something that looks like a real watch and isn't a
mickey mouse gadget. I tried talking watches for years, and
they either ran out of battery life in six months, the
plastic band broke, or the buttons fell off. Yes, you get
what you pay for. A $9.95 item is just that. If you're a
professional, get yourself a braille watch. Lest you think
that you have to read Braille in order to use a Braille
watch, you don't. A Braille watch is one that has dots at
the hours, just dots. They aren't Braille letters.
You lift the crystal to feel the time. If you really want
to spend money you can get one of those vibrating watches.
I've never had one, so I can't talk about them.


Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
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