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article: Microsoft Exec Blames WannaCry Ransomware on NSA Vulnerability Hoarding Program #article

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,
This is an article on bleepingcomputer.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/microsoft-exec-blames-wannacry-ransomware-on-nsa-vulnerability-hoarding-program/

Covering the statment from a a microsoft offitial reguarding the wannacry ransomware that spread through the NSA exploit. I recall gene asking me to proove my asertion that bleeping computer is a pro-american site. This article prooves it very well. Firsstly, the title "Microsoft Exec Blames WannaCry Ransomware on NSA Vulnerability" somehow implys that the NSA vulnerability was not responsible for the ransomware's spread, which is completely false, (the vulnerability allowed the ransomware to be extremely successful). Additionally, this part of the article is also revealing.

Not going to happen
Smith's blog post is somewhat utopian, as the Microsoft exec ignores the fact that creating cyber-weapons is the NSA and CIA's job, as their primary purpose is to defend the nation's interests, just like Chinese and Russian cyber-spooks do the same for their nations.
Such a utopian plan would need the cooperation of all states, something that few countries have an incentive to enter. There is no reason for the US to disarm and incapacitate itself in terms of cyber-weapons, if China and Russia don't do the same.


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Josh Kennedy
 

so they just care about money, not really about access. In other words if you're a rich blind person working for an agency then we'll gladly serve you and script whatever you want.



On 5/15/2017 3:16 PM, Flor Lynch wrote:
I know of one program JAWS scripter and many of their potential customers wanted them to script the program for NVDA. They felt it necessary to explain why they would not, could not, write scripts for NVDA. Basically, it boiled down to, no money, or the philosophical difference between earning from sales and not earning from sales. 
 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 
 
Gene
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
 
A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
Hello,
For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
 
All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
 
We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
 
To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
 
Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
 
Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.
 
If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."
 
Best,
Armando


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

Actually, it does. Folks might be thinking of client/server installations (mostly distributions), but Linux is prevalent in web servers, certain routers and appliances, Android and millions of others.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

Linix has survived because it occupies a niche market, and does not represent a significant competitive threat to Apple or MS.  It will never come close to the market share enjoyed by Windows or IOS.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Flor Lynch

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Open Source really means just that, Open Source. I think there are over all too many developers of NVDA worldwide to be bought out, just like ‘in a heartbeat’. Why do you think Linux survives, and has not been bought out by the likes of Microsoft, or Apple, or Google, or Facebook even?

 

I’m a JAWS user, but I also have NVDA (and have from time to time donated to it, and will do so again). I use NVDA when JAWS doesn’t quite cut the mustard.

 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

>From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


facebook privacy?

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, I'm having issues with facebook account.
I have been told some people are stealing my friends and sending annoying messages.
I have told fb about this and they tell me to change my password, but don't know what good this will do.
How can i make my FB account safe. I want to stop people from viewing my friends lists.
I have been told i can make my account private.
How to achieve this please?, Billy


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Gene
 

You have no basis for that assumption.  You are assuming, just because some or many people would do that.  You don't know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Gerald Levy
 

 
Linix has survived because it occupies a niche market, and does not represent a significant competitive threat to Apple or MS.  It will never come close to the market share enjoyed by Windows or IOS.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
Open Source really means just that, Open Source. I think there are over all too many developers of NVDA worldwide to be bought out, just like ‘in a heartbeat’. Why do you think Linux survives, and has not been bought out by the likes of Microsoft, or Apple, or Google, or Facebook even?
 
I’m a JAWS user, but I also have NVDA (and have from time to time donated to it, and will do so again). I use NVDA when JAWS doesn’t quite cut the mustard.
 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

>From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Gene
 

The message was intended as a follow-up to my previous message to Gerald.  I should have used my answer for the reply so it would have been more clear.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Hi,

I think the below one wasn’t addressed to me, but as an NVDA contributor, I can tell you how much we’ve spent in making sure that NVDA is a great screen reader for all. Money does play a part in some development activities (such as grants, donations and what not), but when I say “we spent a lot”, I’m talking about hours I and others spent on this project, some of us without a penny in return, knowing that we’re making a difference for many. I’m not going to ask all of you to donate, as some cannot afford to at the moment, but what I ask of you is think about a different world without a project like this, and think about philosophies of led developers as they made a decision to create this project eleven years ago. Speaking of led developers, if you want to see them online, this weekend is your chance to do so.

As for my work on this project, I am the one (or helped people) who brought you the following:

  • Korean translation.
  • Assisted with upgraded Unified English Braille support in NVDA.
  • Initial foundation to support Windows 10.
  • Ability to turn off start or exit sounds.
  • Testing and providing feedback on touchscreen support.
  • Testing BrailleNote driver and adding support for BrailleNote QT.
  • Ability to disable individual add-ons.
  • Case sensitive search in NVDA’s find dialog.
  • And some other features. The above are very pale compared to contributions from many others.
  • Producer of “Welcome to NVDA 2013/2015” tutorial set.
  • Conceived, planned, and chaired the first NVDACon in 2014, and the chair of the organizers until 2016.
  • Author or chief maintainer of the following NVDA add-ons: Control Usage Assistant, Easy Table Navigator, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, ObjPad, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio, and Windows 10 App Essentials.

In addition, there are features under development and/or testing that’ll make a difference in lives of many, and one of them is under active testing as we speak (you’ll see a demo of this this weekend at NVDACon 2017).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Gerald Levy
 

 
Oh come on , Carlos.  If you developed a free, open source program out of the goodness of your heart just to benefit your fellow blind computer users, and a large company came along and offered you a few million dollars for it, I don’t believe for a second that you would turn your back and walk away from the deal, unless you happen to be independently wealthy.  .
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I think it is unfortunate that you are so cynical.  Despite belief to the contrary, not everyone in the world has a price.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: Accessible Password Managers?

Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

True, maybe not impossible, I was probably exagerating but you get the idea.

On 15 May 2017, at 20:53, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

Not impossible at all. A little effort maybe, but doable. It tooke me maybe five to ten minutes to memorize my secret key.
Via the memory palace and other tecniques.
I’m not saying it's easy per say, but certainly not impossible.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Password Managers?

Hi all,

1password uses a unique secret key tied to your account. The secret key is so long that it would be impossible to remember it. You are asked for your secret key every time you authorize a new device to use your 1Password account. It's their form of two or multi factor authentication and it is enabled by default and cannot be disabled. So, if you don't have your secret key, you are screwed, basically. Lastpass, well yeah. They don't have any form of multi factor authentication, at least by default. Well they should. Just my £0.02 worth.
On 6 May 2017, at 00:52, Norman <lists@thekingstech.com> wrote:

Hello.

I can't in good conscience recommend one password or any other password manager that syncs the data back to the net or there servers. And for goodness sakes, stay well away from lastpass!

The hack of lastpass earlier this year was proof enough of issues with that type of password management.

I personally use keepass and for device sync i have the file synced to my owncloud server. I realize that this crosses the net as well but never unencrypted.


Thanks.




On 5/5/2017 10:00 AM, george b wrote:
One password is compatable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: May 5, 2017 6:59
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible Password Managers?

Can anyone recommend an accessible password manager? I am trying to use Last Pass Free version with Windows 8.1 and JAWS 16 with Internet Explorer but am having a lot of difficulty. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Peter














Re: zoom text update problem

Pinky <pinky14@...>
 

Hi,

Zoomtext 10.1 will not work with the new Creators update until ZT sends out a fix. If you want to use ZT on the Creators update you have to have ZT 11.

Mr. Ed

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] zoom text update problem

 

My grandson is running windows 10. There are some windows updates but he can not install. He gets a message that zoom text is not compatible with the updates.

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: Accessible Password Managers?

Cristóbal
 

Not impossible at all. A little effort maybe, but doable. It tooke me maybe five to ten minutes to memorize my secret key.
Via the memory palace and other tecniques.
I’m not saying it's easy per say, but certainly not impossible.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Password Managers?

Hi all,

1password uses a unique secret key tied to your account. The secret key is so long that it would be impossible to remember it. You are asked for your secret key every time you authorize a new device to use your 1Password account. It's their form of two or multi factor authentication and it is enabled by default and cannot be disabled. So, if you don't have your secret key, you are screwed, basically. Lastpass, well yeah. They don't have any form of multi factor authentication, at least by default. Well they should. Just my £0.02 worth.
On 6 May 2017, at 00:52, Norman <lists@thekingstech.com> wrote:

Hello.

I can't in good conscience recommend one password or any other password manager that syncs the data back to the net or there servers. And for goodness sakes, stay well away from lastpass!

The hack of lastpass earlier this year was proof enough of issues with that type of password management.

I personally use keepass and for device sync i have the file synced to my owncloud server. I realize that this crosses the net as well but never unencrypted.


Thanks.




On 5/5/2017 10:00 AM, george b wrote:
One password is compatable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: May 5, 2017 6:59
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible Password Managers?

Can anyone recommend an accessible password manager? I am trying to use Last Pass Free version with Windows 8.1 and JAWS 16 with Internet Explorer but am having a lot of difficulty. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Peter








Re: Has the pricing scheme changed for Image for Windows?

David Ferrin <dpf.1996@...>
 

No it has not as of my last contact with them. I use it on all of my own systems.
 

From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Has the pricing scheme changed for Image for Winndows?
 
Hello Carlos and all,
 
I recently upgraded to IFW V3.  I noticed that my invoice stated that it was for one license.
 
I spoke with IFW tech several years ago about how their license worked.  I was told back then that I could use it on all computers in my home as long as I was not running a home business.
 
Does any one happen to know?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
support
**No one is totally worthless, they can always be used as a bad example.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Pinky <pinky14@...>
 

Hi to All,

Why is everyone so against Freedom Scientific? They seem to be doing what every other company in the world is doing. Microsoft buys out other companies.

Apple buys out other companies. They cannot give out their product for free if they want to stay in business. Just like Microsoft now charges about $8 a month if you want Office 365. If you buy a Jaws SMA for Jaws it is about $125 for two years or about $62.50  a year, which is about $5.20 a month. So it is cheaper than Office 365 a month. So I know you have the initial cost to purchase Jaws. But doesn’t all assistive software and hardware more costly for blind users?   Now again you do not have to purchase Jaws as NDVA is free. So why put down FS for trying to make a living like all companies need to do.  Now this is my own opinion but if Microsoft gets Narrator to work as well as Voice Over on Apple devices you would not need to have another screen reader. On my Apple products using Voice Over I can do anything a sighted person can do. So if MS gets Narrator working that well on the MS platforms that would be fantastic in my book. Then we would all be free of having some type of screen reader. Now don’t get me wrong Voice Over on Apple devices is not perfect in every way but is pretty good in my book.

Mr. Ed 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


disreguard Re: [TechTalk] zoom text update problem

Lenny McHugh
 

I just called the zoom text update required has not been released yet. Hopefully by Thursday if not I was told next week sometime.
 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:14 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] zoom text update problem
 
My grandson is running windows 10. There are some windows updates but he can not install. He gets a message that zoom text is not compatible with the updates.

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Carlos
 


I think it is unfortunate that you are so cynical.  Despite belief to the contrary, not everyone in the world has a price.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Flor Lynch
 

Open Source really means just that, Open Source. I think there are over all too many developers of NVDA worldwide to be bought out, just like ‘in a heartbeat’. Why do you think Linux survives, and has not been bought out by the likes of Microsoft, or Apple, or Google, or Facebook even?
 
I’m a JAWS user, but I also have NVDA (and have from time to time donated to it, and will do so again). I use NVDA when JAWS doesn’t quite cut the mustard.
 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

>From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

>From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: burning windows on a dvd

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

Are you sure that’s a DVD? If the capacity shown is 25 GB, chances are that this is actually a blu-ray disc (BD), which requires a BD reader/writer. I think a simpler solution is to get a USB drive that is at least 4 GB in size (preferably 8 GB or greater), then use Media Creation Tool to download and copy the Creators Update installation files onto the USB drive.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] burning windows on a dvd

 

Hello, I was told to buy a dvd and put windows 10 on it, ms told me I have to put a fresh copy of windows10 on my laptop. It is not responding so they think this is the only way to do it. So can someone please tell me how to do this with windows10? I have the dvd it has 25 gb on it as that was the only type they had at the store. I have not done this before. Do I need to format the disk? Because, I cant seem to open the dvd with the disk in it! I know it is running because I can here it spen. Thank you, Heather

 

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burning windows on a dvd

heather albright
 

Hello, I was told to buy a dvd and put windows 10 on it, ms told me I have to put a fresh copy of windows10 on my laptop. It is not responding so they think this is the only way to do it. So can someone please tell me how to do this with windows10? I have the dvd it has 25 gb on it as that was the only type they had at the store. I have not done this before. Do I need to format the disk? Because, I cant seem to open the dvd with the disk in it! I know it is running because I can here it spen. Thank you, Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
contact:
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
skype: cynterline
ham call sign:
kd5cbl
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
how the blind do it:
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Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Gerald Levy
 

 
  Don’t kid yourself.  If the developers of NVDA were offered a few million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they would sell out in a heartbeat.  They wouldn’t give a second thought to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and live a more prosperous lifestyle.    It’s just human nature.  Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the opportunity to become an instant millionaire.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 
I didn't address the purchase comments in the message.  The NVDA developers are not going to sel to FS.  You don't go through all the work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't begin to afford JAWS.  Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put into the project by the developers, especially the main developer? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.
 

Hi,

For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

This is all well and good.  But what’s to prevent VFO from going after NVDA?  They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial offer they simply couldn’t refuse??  Money talks, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would sell out to VFO for the right price.  And once VFO acquired NVDA, they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its users to migrate to JAWS.  VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access, you say?  Well, System Access has never really been a serious player in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other techies who abruptly resigned from the company.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

They didn't get the last laugh.  NVDA will meet a lot of peoples' needs just as well as Window-eyes.  They will have to learn a new screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well.  And a lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA.  Many free Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same. 

 

Gene

---- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

 

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes, hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific.  But VFO, FS’s parent company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System Access?  Does anyone still use it?  You don’t hear much about it anymore.  

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.  Although this is not going to help those who are using the free Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

 

Hello,

For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have something to share. This was an official announcement I received via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

 

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

 

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

 

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

 

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

 

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

 

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:orders@...."

 

Best,

Armando


Re: accessible VPN services

Aman Singer
 

Hi Jeremy and all,

 

              I see what you’re saying. Let me, though, bring two things up for those considering the VPN package to use. First, many VPN providers will provide the ovpn files which contain the settings for OpenVPN. Therefore, the problem may well be simplified. Rather than modifying settings, it may be a question of clicking on a file.

              Secondly, it may be safer to use a program which gives, at least, the opportunity for people to look over it. OpenVPN is open source and, while I certainly know the source’s being available doesn’t mean anyone actually looks at it, it’s at least possible where, with a closed source package, nobody besides the manufacturer is seeing it. What you’re after here is security bugs rather than backdoors, the VPN has all the information about your internet traffic anyway, so if you trust them, you might as well trust their application not to be deliberately backdoored.

Aman

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible VPN services

 

Ah yeah, that's very true and OpenVPN, the version with the GUI works beautifully with NVDA also. For one that's just getting started with using a VPN though, or at least PIA, I'm not sure I'd recommend using it at first. While Using OpenVPN works well, it takes quite a bit more messing about with configurations and such to accomplish the same thing that you can just tab and click with the PIA client. I currently have both install and have used them, but I still find myself going back to the PIA application, when I can't get my OpenVPN configuration working correctly.
Take care.

On 5/13/2017 12:39 PM, Aman Singer wrote:

Hi,

 

              Keep in mind that you are, in most cases, not under any obligation to use any particular VPN service’s own client to connect to it. Therefore, in most cases, the VPN service is accessible since the client is standard or, more accurately, you can use the standard client and need not bother with whatever the VPN service provides. Besides the client built into Windows, one of the best clients, which is accessible both as client and as server, is OpenVPN

http://www.openvpn.net

              This allows you to choose the VPN provider based upon the usual factors (trustworthiness, anonymity, etc.), rather than based upon the accessibility of their client.

HTH,

Aman

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] accessible VPN services

 

What are some accessible VPN services?

 

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