On 4 Jun 2017, at 22:56, Rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:

hi, sorry, iPads have touch ID, from the second generation air and above.

On 02/06/17 11:09 AM, Ashley Breger via Groups.Io wrote:

I would go with the iPhone 7, because it also has touch ID for getting into it as opposed to using a passcode where is the iPad does not have touch ID.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2017, at 12:59 AM, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all:

Soon, depending on my choice, I will have the opportunity to obtain
either an iPhone 7 or an iPad. Probably an iPad Pro.

If all of you had to choose between an iPhone or an iPad, which would
you choose? I'm leaning toward choosing the iPhone 7 because of its
portability and all of the great apps that can help me be more
independent and productive. Plus, the iPhone 7 seems to have the same
computing power and speed as an iPad or a Windows PC. Any thoughts?

Thank you,

Victor

suggestion, has it been suggested that we take this topic to the chat group where I believe it should have been in the first place..? Sound like a good discussion for that group.  Just an idea ! Have a Great Day! de

<KF8LT><Jim>.

LOL kicking people for off topic posts, particularly when there are like 10 of them doing it, is not really a viable solution, sorry...  Locking the topic, yes, that's another thing entirely, which I agree with.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 19:48:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL I've never had to forcefully close a topic so far.  I would do it if it
was necessary, but probably only as a last resort.  Although I agree that
you can't win.  Close an off topic thread too forcefully, and you're accused
of being heavy-handed.  Don't close it soon enough, and you'll have people
leaving the list or complaining that it's off topic.  I sleep comfortably
enough as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrin via Groups.Io" <dpf.1996@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


Do what we do on JAWS Users, my guys know where the kick switch is located
and how to use it.

Then we get accused of being heavy handed but then again everybody is not
going to like you for some reason or another.  I still sleep well at night.

Remind me again why we do what we do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL no one ever wants to join the chat list just to continue an off topic
conversation.  I've given up on suggesting it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


There is  a chat sub group for this group why not move it there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

Hello to the List-

Carlos has been very accommodating and Gracious to allow some of us to
conduct a conversation about a subject that never had anything to do with
Technology.
--
It is a topic that touches all of us, as  I would guess that each one of
us
have experienced the "Special Treatment" given to us for no other reason
than we are Blind.
Of all the Posts made on this Subject, the one that sticks with me is
the one written by Gene.   He attempted to bring out the possible Root
for such decisions like the one that Yanked Cliff off his Flight.

Gene spoke of the underlying Fear of Blindness, and some of the
ramifications this Fear has when the sighted need to interact with those
who
are Blind.  I thought Gene was Hitting some Nails right on the Head.

As interesting as this subject is, and it has other Branches we haven't
even
gotten to, such as Why don't the Blind Scream and Yell about the other
Special Treatment the Blind receive, such as the Tax break on our Income
Taxes, or when some get their Computers and other Gear paid for by the
State
etc.  Seems to me, some enjoy the Extra benefits that come with
Blindness,
but Scream like Crazy when they get restricted from
something they believe they have the Right to do.    I find this to be
one of those ironic things that rolls around in the back of my mind when
some blind complain about some small thing they believe to be
discriminatory.  And what Cliff experienced is not a Small thing.

This conversation needs to be moved to a List that is all about any topic
that might come to mind.

I've been told of one called Blind Life.  I know nothing about it, other
than it started up last December, and is open to Topics not in alinement
with this Tech Lists guidelines.

I am not trying to steal members, I am only telling of another list that
handles other subjects than Tech.   By all means, stay subscribed here,
and if interested, subscribe to the other list too.

Here is the Subscription information.

Send an email like this one:

blindlife+subscribe@groups.io


Now back to your normally scheduled subject matter=

Grumpy Dave

From: "Demaya, Diego via acb-chat" <acb-chat@...>
Date: June 5, 2017 at 08:56:58 PDT
To: "'General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.'" <acb-chat@...>, "acbt@groups.io" <acbt@groups.io>, "hcb-l@..." <hcb-l@...>
Cc: "Demaya, Diego" <Diego.Demaya@...>
Subject: [acb-chat] The Americans With Disabilities Act Is Under Attack in Congress - Rewire
Reply-To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list." <acb-chat@...>

The Americans With Disabilities Act Is Under Attack in Congress

May 30, 2017, 9:47am

Robyn Powell

The House Judiciary Committee is currently considering imposing significant limitations to the ADA through the passage of the ADA Education and Reform Act of 2017.

Never in my life as a disabled woman have I been so terrified of losing my civil rights as I am now.
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On July 26, 1990, George H.W. Bush signed the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA) into law, proclaiming, “Let the shameful wall of exclusion finally come tumbling down!” Although I was only 8 years old, I still remember its passage and the increased accessibility that followed.

The ADA has both literally and figuratively opened countless doors for people like me, by requiring entities that are open to the public—such as restaurants, movie theaters, hospitals, hotels, and museums—be fully accessible to people with disabilities. The ADA also requires employers, as well as public and private entities, to provide reasonable accommodations to people with disabilities and prohibits discrimination based on disability.

Of course, passage of the ADA did not make ramps and elevators magically appear; nor did it immediately halt discrimination against people with disabilities. Progress takes time, which, as a wheelchair user, I have witnessed firsthand. Indeed, for several years after the law’s passage, my parents or I would always have to call places in advance to make sure that they were wheelchair accessible. For years, the answer was “no.” But times have changed, and now I no longer feel I need to take these extra steps before leaving my home. Nearly 27 years after the passage of the ADA, I now expect that all businesses will be accessible. And that is liberating.

While we surely have much further to go, the ADA has unequivocally led to much greater inclusion and accessibility and far less discrimination. Now, however, Congress is currently considering imposing significant limitations to the ADA through the passage of the ADA Education and Reform Act of 2017 (HR 620), sponsored by Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX).

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Currently, if a person with a disability encounters an accessibility barrier at a business, they have two options: They can file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), which will investigate and decide if a violation has occurred. DOJ may enter into mediation with the person and the business, which is a low-cost approach to resolve ADA violations fairly quickly. DOJ may also sue the business on the person’s behalf. Alternatively, people with disabilities may file a lawsuit in court, bypassing DOJ altogether. The cornerstone of current enforcement options is that the violation can often be resolved swiftly.

If the ADA Education and Reform Act is passed, however, a person with a disability would be required to give a written notice to a business owner who has barriers to access. The business owner would then have 60 days to even acknowledge that there is a problem—and then another 120 days to make substantial progress toward correcting the violation. In other words, people with disabilities would be forced to wait 180 days to enforce their civil rights.

The ADA Education and Reform Act is premised on trying to curb “drive-by” ADA lawsuits: that is, frivolous lawsuits brought by attorneys alleging ADA violations. Surely, serial litigators, attorneys who simply bring lawsuits to line their pockets, must be stopped. However, these bills are not the solution.

To be fair, I vehemently oppose frivolous ADA lawsuits, where people seek to use the ADA for their own monetary gain. I cherish this law and hate hearing that some misuse it. However, it’s important to note that they are not as prevalent as some believe. An analysis of ADA lawsuits in 2016 identified just 12 individuals and one organization that have filed more than 100 lawsuits each. But frivolous lawsuits are not an ADA issue; they are a state and court problem. Indeed, ethics rules bar attorneys from bringing frivolous lawsuits. Rather than go after people with disabilities, attention should be focused on stopping these few bad attorneys.

Notably, passage of the ADA and ADA Amendments Act involved the disability community and bipartisan lawmakers working together with the business community. These “notification bills,” however, do not. Rather, they are the result of business owners and their lobbyists.

The disability community is not interested in more lawsuits; we simply want accessibility. There is no such thing as the “ADA police.” Enforcement depends on people with disabilities who know their rights to challenge violations. Filing lawsuits is timely and expensive. Finding an attorney that is knowledgeable about the ADA is very challenging. I say this because I believe it is fairly safe to assume that there are far more ADA violations occurring than we will ever hear of. As a disabled woman, I encounter violations daily.

Nevertheless, there’s a prevailing belief that ADA regulations are overly technical and most alleged violations are “minor.” The regulations concerning accessible parking spots are frequently used to demonstrate how ADA regulations are too specific. What opponents don’t understand is that the width of parking spaces matter for people with disabilities who drive, such as myself. I drive a wheelchair–accessible van. If someone parks too close, I am literally stuck because no one besides me can drive my van. This has happened to me more times than I count, leaving me stranded outside for hours, until the person returns to their car.

Throughout the years, based on a belief that the ADA is being abused and has become a money-maker, Congress has introduced a number of “notification bills.” These bills are problematic and have been strongly opposed by the disability community.

It is also important to dispel the myth that ADA lawsuits can be profitable for plaintiffs; that is plain wrong. When the ADA was being drafted, as a compromise between the business community and the disability community, the disability community gave up the option to obtain damages for a business’s failure to comply with the law by allowing only injunctive relief—meaning the business owner has to change their behavior—and attorneys’ fees.

Settlements or court orders that involve money damages for accessibility violations are based on state laws in a handful of states, not the ADA. Therefore, adding a notice requirement before people with disabilities can enforce their rights will do nothing to prevent businesses from being subjected to money damages. Moreover, if the accessibility violations in question are truly minor, as the proponents of these bills claim, it would not be difficult for businesses to fix the problem and resolve the issue quickly, with minimal attorneys’ fees. Hence, the issue is not an ADA one.

In addition, it’s important to recognize that the ADA includes several provisions that protect businesses from unreasonable requirements. For example, the ADA does not require any action that would cause an “undue burden” or that is “not readily achievable,” which is defined as “easily accomplished and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense.”

Adding a notification requirement won’t make serial lawsuits go away. Instead, it simply sends the message to business owners that they don’t have to worry about complying with the ADA until they receive a letter notifying them that they are discriminating against people with disabilities. In other words, instead of complying, they can just “wait and see” if they are caught.

The imposition of a months-long “waiting period,” during which a business may continue to violate the law and deny access to people with disabilities once it has received a notice that it is violating the ADA, is simply not reasonable.

In short, the premise of bills like the ADA Education and Reform Act is that businesses should not be responsible for knowing their obligations to comply with a law that has been in effect for nearly three decades, but people with disabilities should instead be responsible not only for knowing the accessibility requirements of that law, but also for determining when a business is not in compliance and for knowing the specific requirements of the notice that they must provide.

Establishing and running a business involves compliance with numerous laws, including tax laws, property laws, health and safety laws, environmental laws, civil rights laws, and many others. Compliance with these legal obligations is part of the cost of doing business.

Business owners, and society as a whole, have had nearly 27 years to become aware of the ADA. Indeed, I would guess that every business owner knows at least one person with a disability and is at least vaguely aware that the ADA exists. Moreover, there are plenty of resources that provide information on ADA requirements to business owners. Indeed, the DOJ offers free technical assistance as well as several publicly available publications. In addition, there are ADA technical assistance centers across the country that offer information, guidance, and training on how to implement the ADA. There is simply no excuse for noncompliance at this point.

The bill is currently in the U.S. House Judiciary Committee; it has 18 co-sponsors. Never in my life as a disabled woman have I been so terrified of losing my civil rights as I am now. With the stroke of a pen, much that the disability community has fought hard for could be undone. What civil rights law will be on the chopping block next?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Wohlgamuth

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 11:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

suggestion, has it been suggested that we take this topic to the chat group where I believe it should have been in the first place..? Sound like a good discussion for that group.  Just an idea ! Have a Great Day! de

<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 05-Jun-17 09:18, Rajmund wrote:

LOL kicking people for off topic posts, particularly when there are like 10 of them doing it, is not really a viable solution, sorry...  Locking the topic, yes, that's another thing entirely, which I agree with.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 19:48:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL I've never had to forcefully close a topic so far.  I would do it if it
was necessary, but probably only as a last resort.  Although I agree that
you can't win.  Close an off topic thread too forcefully, and you're accused
of being heavy-handed.  Don't close it soon enough, and you'll have people
leaving the list or complaining that it's off topic.  I sleep comfortably
enough as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrin via Groups.Io" <dpf.1996@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


Do what we do on JAWS Users, my guys know where the kick switch is located
and how to use it.

Then we get accused of being heavy handed but then again everybody is not
going to like you for some reason or another.  I still sleep well at night.

Remind me again why we do what we do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL no one ever wants to join the chat list just to continue an off topic
conversation.  I've given up on suggesting it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


There is  a chat sub group for this group why not move it there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

Hello to the List-

Carlos has been very accommodating and Gracious to allow some of us to
conduct a conversation about a subject that never had anything to do with
Technology.
--
It is a topic that touches all of us, as  I would guess that each one of
us
have experienced the "Special Treatment" given to us for no other reason
than we are Blind.
Of all the Posts made on this Subject, the one that sticks with me is
the one written by Gene.   He attempted to bring out the possible Root
for such decisions like the one that Yanked Cliff off his Flight.

Gene spoke of the underlying Fear of Blindness, and some of the
ramifications this Fear has when the sighted need to interact with those
who
are Blind.  I thought Gene was Hitting some Nails right on the Head.

As interesting as this subject is, and it has other Branches we haven't
even
gotten to, such as Why don't the Blind Scream and Yell about the other
Special Treatment the Blind receive, such as the Tax break on our Income
Taxes, or when some get their Computers and other Gear paid for by the
State
etc.  Seems to me, some enjoy the Extra benefits that come with
Blindness,
but Scream like Crazy when they get restricted from
something they believe they have the Right to do.    I find this to be
one of those ironic things that rolls around in the back of my mind when
some blind complain about some small thing they believe to be
discriminatory.  And what Cliff experienced is not a Small thing.

This conversation needs to be moved to a List that is all about any topic
that might come to mind.

I've been told of one called Blind Life.  I know nothing about it, other
than it started up last December, and is open to Topics not in alinement
with this Tech Lists guidelines.

I am not trying to steal members, I am only telling of another list that
handles other subjects than Tech.   By all means, stay subscribed here,
and if interested, subscribe to the other list too.

Here is the Subscription information.

Send an email like this one:

blindlife+subscribe@groups.io


Now back to your normally scheduled subject matter=

Grumpy Dave

LOL kicking people for off topic posts, particularly when there are like 10 of them doing it, is not really a viable solution, sorry...  Locking the topic, yes, that's another thing entirely, which I agree with.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 19:48:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL I've never had to forcefully close a topic so far.  I would do it if it
was necessary, but probably only as a last resort.  Although I agree that
you can't win.  Close an off topic thread too forcefully, and you're accused
of being heavy-handed.  Don't close it soon enough, and you'll have people
leaving the list or complaining that it's off topic.  I sleep comfortably
enough as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrin via Groups.Io" <dpf.1996@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


Do what we do on JAWS Users, my guys know where the kick switch is located
and how to use it.

Then we get accused of being heavy handed but then again everybody is not
going to like you for some reason or another.  I still sleep well at night.

Remind me again why we do what we do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

LOL no one ever wants to join the chat list just to continue an off topic
conversation.  I've given up on suggesting it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere


There is  a chat sub group for this group why not move it there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] The Time has come to move this Topic elsewhere

Hello to the List-

Carlos has been very accommodating and Gracious to allow some of us to
conduct a conversation about a subject that never had anything to do with
Technology.
--
It is a topic that touches all of us, as  I would guess that each one of
us
have experienced the "Special Treatment" given to us for no other reason
than we are Blind.
Of all the Posts made on this Subject, the one that sticks with me is
the one written by Gene.   He attempted to bring out the possible Root
for such decisions like the one that Yanked Cliff off his Flight.

Gene spoke of the underlying Fear of Blindness, and some of the
ramifications this Fear has when the sighted need to interact with those
who
are Blind.  I thought Gene was Hitting some Nails right on the Head.

As interesting as this subject is, and it has other Branches we haven't
even
gotten to, such as Why don't the Blind Scream and Yell about the other
Special Treatment the Blind receive, such as the Tax break on our Income
Taxes, or when some get their Computers and other Gear paid for by the
State
etc.  Seems to me, some enjoy the Extra benefits that come with
Blindness,
but Scream like Crazy when they get restricted from
something they believe they have the Right to do.    I find this to be
one of those ironic things that rolls around in the back of my mind when
some blind complain about some small thing they believe to be
discriminatory.  And what Cliff experienced is not a Small thing.

This conversation needs to be moved to a List that is all about any topic
that might come to mind.

I've been told of one called Blind Life.  I know nothing about it, other
than it started up last December, and is open to Topics not in alinement
with this Tech Lists guidelines.

I am not trying to steal members, I am only telling of another list that
handles other subjects than Tech.   By all means, stay subscribed here,
and if interested, subscribe to the other list too.

Here is the Subscription information.

Send an email like this one:

blindlife+subscribe@groups.io


Now back to your normally scheduled subject matter=

Grumpy Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 8:07 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue with Juice

Well, I tried. It looks like a wall has been put up, to keep Juice and its likeout! Perhaps the Webster people will revisit it if they get enough reports from people no longer being able to download the podcast. The other thing that occurs to me is that the filename is a very long one, even though it is an .mp3 suffix (or at least that’s what it says).

 

I got it in qCast, which uses iTunes. (One’s iPhone’s podcatchers do this also.) 

 

From: Vicki

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 11:32 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue with Juice

There are actually three feeds that should work. Don't ask why. I have had this podcast for at least two years and no problem. Here are the feeds.

 

The first one is the original that stopped working, although as I said, the [podcast shows up, is just will not download.

 

The last feed is the ITunes feed, which did the same thing, although I did have to edit the feed because it kept showing up with http twice.

 

The middle feed is the feed from learn outloud.

 

They all do exactly the same thing in Juice.

 

 

Merriam-Websters Word of the Day

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/word/index.xml

 

or

 

http://webster.com/word/index.xml

 

or

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wotd/feed/rss2

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Flor Lynch

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue with Juice

 

hi,

Used it work properly in Juice? What is the URL, or the feed URL of the podcast, so I can take a look. (I have had issues with Juice not accepting certain podcasts, or it trying to download all episodes of a podcast rather than just the latest one which it’d been  set for. Sometimes, you can make small alterations with the feed URL it gets the podcast episodes from, so that Juice will treat the podcast as it should. But this is a partial solution, working for some offending podcasts but not for all. (In other words, there are some podcasts that Juice just won’t handle decently or at all. Thus it’s good to have more than one pod-catcher, given the awkwardnesses and lack of flexibility that iTunes can present.) )

 

 

From: Vicki

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:15 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] Issue with Juice

Good Afternoon,

 

I have a particular podcast that comes in on Juice with the attempt to download, but has been 0% for about 2 weeks now.

 

This is an every day podcast.

 

I subscribed to it on ITunes on my laptop and ITunes will download it.

 

I am not having issues with any other podcast using Juice. The feeds are the same for both Juice & ITunes for this podcast.

 

Is there a setting in Juice that I can change that may have gotten messed up?

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki