----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

Hi James,

You do not have to be online to perform a JAWS repair.

 

From the JAWS help file:

 

1. Press WINDOWS Key+R.
2. Choose the Browse button.
3. Navigate to folder where the JAWS setup package is located.
4. Select the setup package file and press ENTER.
5. Press END and then press the SPACEBAR.
6. Type /Type repair and press ENTER.

 

As for getting online in general, is this a desktop or a laptop?  If it is a desktop using a wired connection, then usually Windows will automatically setup your internet connection if it can find drivers for your network adapter.  If it is a laptop using a wireless connection, even if Windows can find drivers for the network adapter, you will still have to setup your wireless connection.

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

Hi Carlos and list,

 

After hours of digging through settings with Narrator and a messed up installation of Jaws, I haven’t accomplished much.  Here’s what I do have:

 

I seem to have a clean install of Windows.

For right now, I don’t think that I got any Dell software with the reset.  I'm just having trouble going through unfamiliar menus with Narrator and broken Jaws.

 

I was able to turn off Windows driver updates as well as software updates, all in windows.  I got the touch pad turned off and installed Jaws from a thumb drive.  But, Jaws doesn’t work right.

 

Jaws says that there was a problem with installing the mirror drivers and that I need to first try a reboot.  I did and Jaws still isn’t working right.  Jaws said to try doing a Jaws repair.

 

I do not know how to do a Jaws repair and, don’t you have to be on line to do that?  That was another thing that I could not find while digging through menus with Narrator or Jaws.

 

So, can any one tell me first, how to get on line with Win10?  Next, Can any one give me step by step directions on doing a Jaws repair?

 

So many thanks,

 

James

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:59 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

Indeed, I would be interested to know if your Dell/OEM included software was restored as well.

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

My Dell laptop just rebooted.  I think it may have rebooted two or three times.  It took over one hour to finish.

 

This time, it appears to have done exactly what I was hoping it would do.

 

All of the Windows sounds are default now and I don’t see any signs of my old files or settings or Apps.

 

Windows is working with Narrator just fine.  I landed at the windows set up screen where I was able to set up my log in password, country, local account name, password, and password hint. Next, I landed on the desktop.

 

Oh, I also did get the option to set up my internet but I skipped that step so I can go in to Windows later this afternoon and tell Windows and Dell to not give me any automatic driver downloads.  Its kind of neat.  My Router and around a dozen others were in a list just waiting for me to hit enter on the right one.

 

By the way, I was able to go to a thumb drive where I have Jaws.  I will do that next...after I grab some sleep.

 

The main point for me is just that it does appear as though a blind individual can do a reset, and then set up a new commercially available system with out sighted assistance.  That’s what I really wanted.

 

I am not certain yet as to whether I have all of the Dell software on the system or if I only have Windows stuff but it won’t matter too much to me either way.  I’m guessing that it is my original system the way that it came to me from Dell. 

 

I need to get some sleep so I will report back to the list later this afternoon in case some one is following this thread but here is a very very, important thing that I need to say right now.

 

When I clicked on reset, I got two options.  One said some thing like delete all files.  That is the selection that I chose.  It does appear that I now have a fresh Win10 install.

 

The other option that I was given after clicking on the reset button was to clean all drives.  This setting appears to wipe all drives.  I am assuming that the C (primary) drive and the D (restoration) drive get wiped.  Someone wanting Windows to come back up with Narrator would certainly want to avoid cleaning all drives unless they have a way to install another copy of Windows.  So, be careful which button you select or you will get stuck with a completely cleaned nonfunctioning drive.

 

Carlos, I sure am glad that I didn’t fire you!

 

James

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:48 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

If I remember correctly though it does specifically depend on the options you choose.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:42 AM

Subject: RE: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

Hi,

 

It’s more than that: it you do choose to wipe your hard drive, everything (including OEM software) will be removed (I had to do this on my Toshiba laptop a few days ago).

 

Cheers,

 

Joseph

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:33 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

 

 

Resetting is basically like reinstalling Windows.  Only software which may have been included by the manufacturer is restored.  All settings and other applications will be removed.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: James Bentley

 

To: TechTalk@groups.io

 

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM

 

Subject: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

 

 

Hi Group,

 

 

 

I would have to write a book to explain all that I have gone through with my 6 day old Dell Inspiron11 laptop loaded from Dell with Windows10.  So I will try for the condensed version.

 

 

 

I fell in love with the laptop at first touch but, the sound was terrible.  Loads of distortion and the volume continually changed itself all by it self.  So, I rolled the RealTek drivers back to the prior version and the laptop sounded 100% perfect. 

 

 

 

Then, Microsoft updates gave me the newest and latest driver update for the onboard RealTek sound which just happened to be the bad drivers that I had just removed.  Suddenly, the sound was all messed up again.

 

 

 

My next attempt to roll back the drivers failed several times. Then, I got MS to do a remote in on the laptop and they install the same older drivers that made the machine sound perfect again.

 

 

 

Carlos told me how to prevent MS from changing my drivers with future Windows updates.  And, I did that.  So, I spent around 12 hours getting every thing installed on the laptop. 

 

 

 

The next day, the sound was back to the same as the day before.  It turns out that Dell also sends out driver updates and this time, it was Dell who messed me over. <groan?

 

 

 

I ain’t all that great with even using some features on my computer much less being able to repair it when something goes wrong.  And, I have news for both Dell and Microsoft, I can break my computer just fine with out any assistance from them.

 

 

 

Since I had reasons to suspect corrupted files for other reasons that I won’t go in to right now, , I got Dell tech support to remote in and do a Windows reset.  I was informed by Dell tech support that the laptop would be in the exact same state as it was the moment that I took it out of the box for the first time.  I figured I could keep it off line long enough to set up Jaws, and change the settings to stop Dell and MS from helping themselves with making my computer work better.

 

 

 

But, after the reset that Dell claimed to do, I still had some files that I put on the computer.  I still had my log on password, the Jaws authorization key, along with other things including the stupid RealTek drivers that sound so bad.  I wonder if the Dell tech support person did an actual reset or maybe just a refresh.

 

 

 

So I went in to Windows and looked at the reset setting because I was considering doing my own reset. And it said that the reset action was the recommended  action for user’s to preform before recycling their computers.  This causes me to wonder exactly what the Win10 reset function really does.

 

 

 

Now here’s my point.  I want one of two things.  Either the computer to go back to the exact same state it was in when I booted it up the first time.  Or, I would be completely happy with a clean Win10 install with none of the original Dell software.

 

 

 

So, if I am not the first person that Carlos has to kick off of his new list for boring you all to death,  is there any one who can really really, tell me exactly what I will get if I reset

Win10 myself?

 

 

 

So sorry for what still turned out to be a book,

 

 

 

James

 

 

 

 

Hi Quenton,
LOL, sorry about that. That particular message was sent from a braille sense, with sense mailer ver 5.02. This is the apex. Am I still coming up as a new message?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin.christensen@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 16:39:41 +1000
Subject: Threading messages, was: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Rajmund,

I must admit, I wasn't really paying attention to this thread, but
seeing so many individual messages (where most subjects are grouped by
the thread they are in for me at least) prompts me to ask, what e-Mail
client are you using? It does not seem to respect the message ID that
it's responding to and every message appears as a brand new message
rather than a reply.

Regards

Quentin.


On 1/09/2015 3:55 PM, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
LOL, a braillenote, and a braille sense. The latter has a spam filter, but that's pretty much it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 5:06 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened


Hi There,

What modern mail client or web mail interface does not support filtering?


On 8/31/2015 6:31 PM, rajmund wrote:
Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be
easier. But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So
yeah, its really a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of
how it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy
enough to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms
precisely. But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And,
when the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




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----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

Hi Carlos and list,

 

After hours of digging through settings with Narrator and a messed up installation of Jaws, I haven’t accomplished much.  Here’s what I do have:

 

I seem to have a clean install of Windows.

For right now, I don’t think that I got any Dell software with the reset.  I'm just having trouble going through unfamiliar menus with Narrator and broken Jaws.

 

I was able to turn off Windows driver updates as well as software updates, all in windows.  I got the touch pad turned off and installed Jaws from a thumb drive.  But, Jaws doesn’t work right.

 

Jaws says that there was a problem with installing the mirror drivers and that I need to first try a reboot.  I did and Jaws still isn’t working right.  Jaws said to try doing a Jaws repair.

 

I do not know how to do a Jaws repair and, don’t you have to be on line to do that?  That was another thing that I could not find while digging through menus with Narrator or Jaws.

 

So, can any one tell me first, how to get on line with Win10?  Next, Can any one give me step by step directions on doing a Jaws repair?

 

So many thanks,

 

James

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:59 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

Indeed, I would be interested to know if your Dell/OEM included software was restored as well.

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

My Dell laptop just rebooted.  I think it may have rebooted two or three times.  It took over one hour to finish.

 

This time, it appears to have done exactly what I was hoping it would do.

 

All of the Windows sounds are default now and I don’t see any signs of my old files or settings or Apps.

 

Windows is working with Narrator just fine.  I landed at the windows set up screen where I was able to set up my log in password, country, local account name, password, and password hint. Next, I landed on the desktop.

 

Oh, I also did get the option to set up my internet but I skipped that step so I can go in to Windows later this afternoon and tell Windows and Dell to not give me any automatic driver downloads.  Its kind of neat.  My Router and around a dozen others were in a list just waiting for me to hit enter on the right one.

 

By the way, I was able to go to a thumb drive where I have Jaws.  I will do that next...after I grab some sleep.

 

The main point for me is just that it does appear as though a blind individual can do a reset, and then set up a new commercially available system with out sighted assistance.  That’s what I really wanted.

 

I am not certain yet as to whether I have all of the Dell software on the system or if I only have Windows stuff but it won’t matter too much to me either way.  I’m guessing that it is my original system the way that it came to me from Dell. 

 

I need to get some sleep so I will report back to the list later this afternoon in case some one is following this thread but here is a very very, important thing that I need to say right now.

 

When I clicked on reset, I got two options.  One said some thing like delete all files.  That is the selection that I chose.  It does appear that I now have a fresh Win10 install.

 

The other option that I was given after clicking on the reset button was to clean all drives.  This setting appears to wipe all drives.  I am assuming that the C (primary) drive and the D (restoration) drive get wiped.  Someone wanting Windows to come back up with Narrator would certainly want to avoid cleaning all drives unless they have a way to install another copy of Windows.  So, be careful which button you select or you will get stuck with a completely cleaned nonfunctioning drive.

 

Carlos, I sure am glad that I didn’t fire you!

 

James

 

 

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:48 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

If I remember correctly though it does specifically depend on the options you choose.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:42 AM

Subject: RE: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

Hi,

 

It’s more than that: it you do choose to wipe your hard drive, everything (including OEM software) will be removed (I had to do this on my Toshiba laptop a few days ago).

 

Cheers,

 

Joseph

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:33 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

 

 

Resetting is basically like reinstalling Windows.  Only software which may have been included by the manufacturer is restored.  All settings and other applications will be removed.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: James Bentley

 

To: TechTalk@groups.io

 

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM

 

Subject: [TechTalk] Exactly what really does happen if I reset Windows10 on a new Dell laptop?

 

 

 

Hi Group,

 

 

 

I would have to write a book to explain all that I have gone through with my 6 day old Dell Inspiron11 laptop loaded from Dell with Windows10.  So I will try for the condensed version.

 

 

 

I fell in love with the laptop at first touch but, the sound was terrible.  Loads of distortion and the volume continually changed itself all by it self.  So, I rolled the RealTek drivers back to the prior version and the laptop sounded 100% perfect. 

 

 

 

Then, Microsoft updates gave me the newest and latest driver update for the onboard RealTek sound which just happened to be the bad drivers that I had just removed.  Suddenly, the sound was all messed up again.

 

 

 

My next attempt to roll back the drivers failed several times. Then, I got MS to do a remote in on the laptop and they install the same older drivers that made the machine sound perfect again.

 

 

 

Carlos told me how to prevent MS from changing my drivers with future Windows updates.  And, I did that.  So, I spent around 12 hours getting every thing installed on the laptop. 

 

 

 

The next day, the sound was back to the same as the day before.  It turns out that Dell also sends out driver updates and this time, it was Dell who messed me over. <groan?

 

 

 

I ain’t all that great with even using some features on my computer much less being able to repair it when something goes wrong.  And, I have news for both Dell and Microsoft, I can break my computer just fine with out any assistance from them.

 

 

 

Since I had reasons to suspect corrupted files for other reasons that I won’t go in to right now, , I got Dell tech support to remote in and do a Windows reset.  I was informed by Dell tech support that the laptop would be in the exact same state as it was the moment that I took it out of the box for the first time.  I figured I could keep it off line long enough to set up Jaws, and change the settings to stop Dell and MS from helping themselves with making my computer work better.

 

 

 

But, after the reset that Dell claimed to do, I still had some files that I put on the computer.  I still had my log on password, the Jaws authorization key, along with other things including the stupid RealTek drivers that sound so bad.  I wonder if the Dell tech support person did an actual reset or maybe just a refresh.

 

 

 

So I went in to Windows and looked at the reset setting because I was considering doing my own reset. And it said that the reset action was the recommended  action for user’s to preform before recycling their computers.  This causes me to wonder exactly what the Win10 reset function really does.

 

 

 

Now here’s my point.  I want one of two things.  Either the computer to go back to the exact same state it was in when I booted it up the first time.  Or, I would be completely happy with a clean Win10 install with none of the original Dell software.

 

 

 

So, if I am not the first person that Carlos has to kick off of his new list for boring you all to death,  is there any one who can really really, tell me exactly what I will get if I reset

Win10 myself?

 

 

 

So sorry for what still turned out to be a book,

 

 

 

James

 

 

 

 

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over the weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual to
decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier. But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its really a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely. But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

I'm only subscribed to like 6...?
To much reading makes my head explode.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Bobbitt [mailto:sbobbitt@triad.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:03 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over
the weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time
to wade through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual
to decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much.
LOL see my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many

----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how
you mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and
hundreds of messages, with an email client that supports no filters,
this can be tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could

But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its
really a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where
the problem being written about is a difficult one to solve unless
or until one has sought differing perspectives on how it might be
solved. (Think of how it was with a kernel32 error preventing a
program from running Easy enough to fix when you know the answer to
it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.
But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your
happiness with your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to
describe the situation accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And,
when the person sends something in response, they send it to like 3
lists. So that makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same
message to multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate
to not cross-post, or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask
the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the
BlindTech list, but I only put one list into the to field at the
time, there's literally literally nothing the admins can do. If
there are more than one lists at the time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the
fact that there are more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross
posting all over the place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six
times on various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not
show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete
cross posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a
huge undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently
have about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of
list management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Howdy,

I was hoping to gather up some ideas/thoughts on PC applications, used
for different levels of encryption, more specifically, applications
that offer the same types of features as we had in packages like TrueCrypt.

Although you can still locate the download for the latest working
version of tc, I was wondering if anyone was familiar with anything to replace it.
I see that there are two current packages, both closely based on the
TrueCrypt source, VeraCrypt and CipherShed, so curious if anyone knew
of anything outside these.

For anyone else who may also be interested in such a beastie, this is
what I've noticed so far. First, if you want an interface that seems
to be pretty much a copy of the TrueCrypt interface, which by the way,
was really accessible, VeraCrypt may be exactly what you want. It also
seems to have been updated in some of its methods of encryption, which
is always nice. I can't speak to the accessibility of using a feature
like full disk encryption, or how we may go about booting into the
encrypted installation, and how well that works with a screenreader,
but it's all supported here.

Unfortunately, although the features in CipherShed also look pretty
nice, it doesn't appear that the package has gotten outside its
testing phase yet, so, I wasn't able to find a stable download. Either
way, these types of tools are really neat and useful, so wanted to see
if anyone could throw some more ideas my way.

Thanks and blessings.

Hi,
LOL, a braillenote, and a braille sense. The latter has a spam filter, but that's pretty much it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 5:06 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi There,

What modern mail client or web mail interface does not support filtering?


On 8/31/2015 6:31 PM, rajmund wrote:

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be
easier. But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So
yeah, its really a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of
how it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy
enough to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms
precisely. But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And,
when the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Sent from a Braille Sense


.

Hi. Got up this morning and foundJust over 240 new messages waiting for me.
Over the course of a 24 hour period I can get between 500 and 600 mails
depending on just how busy some lists are, the Blind Tech thing last weekend
and before had my in box working hard with a multitude of messages. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 September 2015 07:00
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,
Anyone receives 300 over 6 hours? I have, yesterday.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 6:43 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Wow 11? That must definitely be an impressive amount of mail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <sbobbitt@triad.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over

the

weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade

through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual

to

decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL

see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at
once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.

But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its

really

a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how

it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough

to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.

But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when

the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So
that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same

message

to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's

literally

literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists

at

the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that

there

are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six

times

on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of

list

management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Sent from a Braille Sense

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 2:27 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] introduction and test

See info below.

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

Howdy,

I was hoping to gather up some ideas/thoughts on PC applications, used
for different levels of encryption, more specifically, applications
that offer the same types of features as we had in packages like TrueCrypt.

Although you can still locate the download for the latest working
version of tc, I was wondering if anyone was familiar with anything to replace it.
I see that there are two current packages, both closely based on the
TrueCrypt source, VeraCrypt and CipherShed, so curious if anyone knew
of anything outside these.

For anyone else who may also be interested in such a beastie, this is
what I've noticed so far. First, if you want an interface that seems
to be pretty much a copy of the TrueCrypt interface, which by the way,
was really accessible, VeraCrypt may be exactly what you want. It also
seems to have been updated in some of its methods of encryption, which
is always nice. I can't speak to the accessibility of using a feature
like full disk encryption, or how we may go about booting into the
encrypted installation, and how well that works with a screenreader,
but it's all supported here.

Unfortunately, although the features in CipherShed also look pretty
nice, it doesn't appear that the package has gotten outside its
testing phase yet, so, I wasn't able to find a stable download. Either
way, these types of tools are really neat and useful, so wanted to see
if anyone could throw some more ideas my way.

Thanks and blessings.

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over the
weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade
through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual to
decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL
see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at
once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.
But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its really

a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how
it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough
to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.
But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when
the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So
that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Howdy,

I was hoping to gather up some ideas/thoughts on PC applications, used
for different levels of encryption, more specifically, applications
that offer the same types of features as we had in packages like TrueCrypt.

Although you can still locate the download for the latest working
version of tc, I was wondering if anyone was familiar with anything to replace it.
I see that there are two current packages, both closely based on the
TrueCrypt source, VeraCrypt and CipherShed, so curious if anyone knew
of anything outside these.

For anyone else who may also be interested in such a beastie, this is
what I've noticed so far. First, if you want an interface that seems
to be pretty much a copy of the TrueCrypt interface, which by the way,
was really accessible, VeraCrypt may be exactly what you want. It also
seems to have been updated in some of its methods of encryption, which
is always nice. I can't speak to the accessibility of using a feature
like full disk encryption, or how we may go about booting into the
encrypted installation, and how well that works with a screenreader,
but it's all supported here.

Unfortunately, although the features in CipherShed also look pretty
nice, it doesn't appear that the package has gotten outside its
testing phase yet, so, I wasn't able to find a stable download. Either
way, these types of tools are really neat and useful, so wanted to see
if anyone could throw some more ideas my way.

Thanks and blessings.

Wow 11? That must definitely be an impressive amount of mail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <sbobbitt@triad.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over

weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade

through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual

decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL

see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at
once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.

But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its

a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how

it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough

to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.

But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when

the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So
that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same

to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's

literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists

the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that

are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six

on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of

management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Wow 11? That must definitely be an impressive amount of mail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <sbobbitt@triad.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over the
weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade
through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual to
decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL
see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at
once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.
But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its really
a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how
it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough
to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.
But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when
the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So
that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




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I'm only subscribed to like 6...?
To much reading makes my head explode.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Bobbitt [mailto:sbobbitt@triad.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:03 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over the
weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade
through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual to
decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.
But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its really
a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.
But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when
the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Hi There,

What modern mail client or web mail interface does not support filtering?


On 8/31/2015 6:31 PM, rajmund wrote:

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be
easier. But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So
yeah, its really a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of
how it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy
enough to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms
precisely. But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And,
when the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense

Lol, TechTalk is my 11th list, granted at least 3 of them are nearly
inactive ... it gets a bit hectic toward the end of the week and over the
weekend when I'm out trying to earn a nickel and don't have time to wade
through all those emails ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

I can certainly see Flor's point and it is really up to the individual to
decide to how many lists they are subscribed and if it is too much. LOL
see
my previous comments about not personally subscribing to many lists at
once.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Flor,
All these things are a personal preference. It can be looked how you
mean. But those of us who are going through hundreds and hundreds of
messages, with an email client that supports no filters, this can be
tedious. I just deal with it, though, I know how life could be easier.
But then again, why do I subscribe, if I can't do it? So yeah, its really

a personal preference, in my opinion.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@iol.ie
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Rajmund,
What myou may consider unnecessary, may be considered needful by the
poster
who believes that they are in urgent need of help, or where the problem
being written about is a difficult one to solve unless or until one has
sought differing perspectives on how it might be solved. (Think of how
it
was with a kernel32 error preventing a program from running Easy enough
to
fix when you know the answer to it which fits tyour symtpoms precisely.
But
if you don't know, you can't run this program on which your happiness
with
your computer depends. .) And you may nopt be able to describe the
situation
accurately enough yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi Joseph,
My nightmare is to delete the exact same thing 6 damn times. And, when
the
person sends something in response, they send it to like 3 lists. So
that
makes it 8 more messages, than necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] What happened



Hi,
For me, the worst nightmare is when someone cross-posts the same message
to
multiple lists (I did ask people on the lists I moderate to not
cross-post,
or if they have to do that, either use BCC or ask the mods first).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened

Hi,

Here's the thing. If I send something to this list, and the BlindTech
list,
but I only put one list into the to field at the time, there's literally
literally nothing the admins can do. If there are more than one lists at
the
time, that's different.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Monday, 31 August 2015 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What happened



Although I am still subscribed, I got very frustrated with the
moderation
and sometimes the lack thereof. I very much dislike the fact that there
are
more and more persons on Blindtech who are cross posting all over the
place.
It is not unusual to see the same message no fewer than five or six times
on
various lists. And I hope that those cross posts do not show up here.
This
prompts a question. Is there a utility which will somehow delete cross
posted messages? Setting up filters to do this would be a huge
undertaking.


Don Roberts



On 8/31/2015 12:47 PM, Carlos wrote:

Welcome to the list Cristsbal. Indeed it is active. We currently have
about 98 members.

LOL let's just say that I had a difference of opinion in the art of list
management with the owner/moderators of BlindTech.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristsbal
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] What happened


Wow, I don't' check the lists for a couple of days and apparently
everything goes poopoo.
So is this list actually active?
All sorts of drama on BlindTech.




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense