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Re: Tracker Breeze

Matt
 

Why would I not use the navigation part? That is another reason I want it!


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

and you pay more for the navigation part, that you'll never use. I can buy a high end phone for that, that does it all, plus more.

On 04/07/17 12:38 AM, Matt wrote:
Well you will get GPS with it as well as lots of new features as well.
So basically you will get the trek breeze combine with the victor reader with some thrifty new features like BT, higher processer and 32 GB of storage on board now and FM radio and lots of GPS features coming for the GPS as time goes on.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


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Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

Gary Ray here.

It should be a very good experience as a first go into the world of the V Stream.

I do not think I'll buy one. Just too much money for what I feel I would get.

I have been a Stream user ever since they came out. Lordy, I cannot even remember how long ago that was. As I remember it, the NFB was in Atlanta. Everyone who ordered one was put into a drawing to get it free. And, my God, I won it! Ha!

Again, I am sure you will enjoy this new unit.
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Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

I just downloaded and played the podcast, and I agree. I think I am finally going to own a Victor product. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 1:25 PM
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Well it has 32 GB of on board memory as well as well as a FM radio and BT and a lot faster processer as well. All this really sounds good to me. JMT.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


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Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

Gary Ray here.

Yes, it appears that the new "combo" unit does have "built in" BT capability.

This seems to be the only additional feature of interest to me as a V Stream Next Generation user. I am currently thinking that it is a lot to pay for onboard BT capability.

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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 11:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

Maybe the new combo Stream/Trekker will have Bluetooth, I hope. But, in the meantime, I think Laz sells a Bluetooth setup that will plug into the current Victor Stream.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> <tr>
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On 7/3/17, Gary Ray <gary.hubert.ray@gmail.com> wrote:
Carolyn:

The V Stream Next Generation does NOT have BT capability.

Gary Ray

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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

What is that new device. I just bought a Stream, which I am having to
send for repair, but I believe that it is Bluetooth capable.

What is this new one? How much storage does it have? Is the speaker
quality better than the Victor. I mean, this is like pulling a scab
off a sore for me to ask you this, but I'd be interested to know
whether or not I can get one.

Laz on Blind Best had a great demonstration of a Daizy Reader, and I
like Sally and Joey, oh way, way, way better than Heather and Ryan.
Trouble is though that as I understand it, you can't access BARD with
it. The controls sounded so smart and logical.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

Well there is no doubt I will be getting this device! As soon as I
can put in a Pre order for it. I have been waiting for the newer
version of a victor stream to come out with Bluetooth. But this is so
much better. I never expected this. You save 100 bucks on pre order
so that is nice as well. So will be getting this device.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
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From: MattFromFlorida [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: Tracker Breeze



Well here is a podcast on what was the tracker breeze GPS that then
became tracker Breeze +. It the tracker breeze + was discontinue for
they could no longer gets parts for it.

Good news Human ware has now came out with the victor stream reader
with tracker breeze incorporated into the victor reader stream. So
listen all about it from the Blind bargains podcast . See link below.



http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/www.blindbargains.co
m/audio/170702_humanware_trek.mp3









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Re: question for you all mac users out there

Matt
 

I never said VO was a basic screen reader and this is not what it is about again is screen readers or Mac versa windows. I could care less on that subject! I personally think all OS system has it place and does it thing. It is a preface which one or ones you use. That is not the question or problem here. It is accessible remote access for a blind users.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 6:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I don't know if it's above JFW or NVDA, but from what I've played with it, it's way above narrator. there are still stuff like reading dialogs, that narrator can't do, and that is just a basic example. and voice over works in third party apps, from what I know; narrator still struggles...

On 05/07/17 5:17 AM, Rob wrote:
Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple
think Blind users is not capable of doing this?

Probably more like they think there's no need of it. VO is only a basic screen reader after all. From what I hear, it's barely above Narrator in windows 10, although, of course, you can't compare the two operating systems. VO only provides access to the basic apps. I'm not sure a blind person can get the full money's worth from a 2 and 3 thousand dollar mac.
If I'm wrong and VO is on par with JFW or something now, please correct me.



Re: question for you all mac users out there

Matt
 

I don't think VFO is the least interested in Serotek or nothing they got I think they just will let them go away.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 6:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Besides the Mac's limited remote access capability, there is no text-to-speech program for it that is comparable in features or functionality to Open Book or K1000 for Windows. Docu-Scan Plus is the only text-to-speech program that works with the Mac, and although it is much cheaper than the other two programs, it is also much less feature-rich, and is sold by a company, Serotek, whose future is on very shaky grounds now that chief programmer Matt Campbell has left. Come to think of it, you don't hear much about Serotek anymore, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if VFO gobbled it up and put it out of its misery once and for all. .

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 1:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Correct! Totally agree. Also not so much about screen readers I was getting to but accessible remote access. Which in this case would have to include the only screen reader there is on the Mac and that is VO.

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I don't believe in competition for the sake of competition. I believe in competition for the sake of sparking innovation and providing incentive. If VoiceOver had some competition, it is more likely that features such as remote access would have already been included.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a
good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one
quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose
what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the
choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen
reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen
readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my
Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover
glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag
more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I
am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems
to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system,
then why change it by having another product just for competition sake?
Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a
very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can
control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they
can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they
want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting
one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can
get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any
of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you
have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right
there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think
is a good thing.
call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get
it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that
almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.
What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?
VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're
stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like
that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will
definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac
users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to
do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever
I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously
needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me
not to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do,
if share your screams somebody else through third party
applications. Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
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On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com









Re: question for you all mac users out there

Gerald Levy
 

Besides the Mac's limited remote access capability, there is no text-to-speech program for it that is comparable in features or functionality to Open Book or K1000 for Windows. Docu-Scan Plus is the only text-to-speech program that works with the Mac, and although it is much cheaper than the other two programs, it is also much less feature-rich, and is sold by a company, Serotek, whose future is on very shaky grounds now that chief programmer Matt Campbell has left. Come to think of it, you don't hear much about Serotek anymore, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if VFO gobbled it up and put it out of its misery once and for all. .

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 1:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Correct! Totally agree. Also not so much about screen readers I was getting to but accessible remote access. Which in this case would have to include the only screen reader there is on the Mac and that is VO.

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I don't believe in competition for the sake of competition. I believe in competition for the sake of sparking innovation and providing incentive. If VoiceOver had some competition, it is more likely that features such as remote access would have already been included.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a
good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one
quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose
what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the
choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen
reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen
readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my
Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover
glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag
more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I
am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems
to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system,
then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a
very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can
control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they
can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they
want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting
one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can
get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any
of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you
have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right
there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing.
call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get
it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that
almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.
What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?
VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're
stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like
that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will
definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac
users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to
do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever
I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me
not to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do,
if share your screams somebody else through third party
applications. Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com









Re: question for you all mac users out there

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi,
android, too, can be set up without sighted, as far back as kitkat.

On 05/07/17 7:04 AM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Just because Apple doesn't implement remote access for VO, does it mean that The Mac or VO is less accessible, or that Apple cares less for Accessibility? Please note that it took Microsoft until Windows 10 for us to be given the privilige to indepentendly install windows from scratch. Apple allowed for this years ago. I don't know if windows smart phones or android phones can be set up by us blind folks from scratch, but I have done this independently on my IPhone a few times now. What do we need remote access for? Mostly to help with a problem on a friend's or family member's PC who happens to live miles away? Perhaps Apple has enough confidence to see that Problems on the mac are fewer and far between, I don't know, but if remote access is the major bench mark for how accessible a screen reader is to be measured, then surely we are on the wrong track.
On 5/7/2017 12:49 PM, Matt wrote:

Just because they supposedly be a big accessibility fan and take it so serious as any Apple Kool aide drinking apple user would say. If they are so much on the ban wagon and since they have no other screen reader then it seems they would want to follow the steps of other screen readers when it comes to accessibility ! HAHA . Maybe they don’t take accessibility to much as to heart as people think.

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:17 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I have no idea what Apple thinks, but as I said, what incentive would they have to invest resources into developing accessible remote access?

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:11 AM

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple
think Blind users is not capable of doing this?

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:07 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that it is possible
for a blind user to receive remote assistance from a sighted
person using the Screen Sharing service. A blind user cannot
provide remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:04 AM

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

So you are saying the built in remote access can be done by a
blind person and be accessible? Another words a blind person
can do a remote access from their mac to another mac and give
tech support or vice versa or training? I don’t care if the
remote access is by the screen reader or the OS as long as it
is accessible and can be done by the blind person. Something
similar to jaws or NVDA.

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

LOL I didn't say anything about remote access built-in to
VoiceOver, but most operating systems have some kind of remote
access built-in. I believe on Macs it is called the Screen
Sharing service. Also note that I said the blind could
receive remote assistance. I didn't say anything about the
blind providing remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:51 PM

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users
out there

That might be true on the screen reader and sure it has
some kind of built in remote access. But I sure it is not
accessible. Not to do or accept the remote access but to
be able to hear the screen reader coming thru your
speakers and controlling it the remote access by the
keyboard along. I have not heard of anything of a blind
mac user being able to remote access another Mac to be
able to give tech help or receive tech help from a blind
user or training a user on it thru remote access. So that
is really what I trying to get to . Is there any way a
blind user can give remote tech support by remoting into
the Mac or receive tech support by a blind user and or
training by remote access by a blind person. This is to me
what would or need to happen on the mac .

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:42 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users
out there

I'm sure it is possible for the blind to receive remote
assistance on a Mac. As for a third-party screen
reader, free or otherwise, I don't think it necessarily
has anything to do with it being bashed. I think it is
probably more a matter of it most likely not being a
profitable venture. VoiceOver may not have certain
powerful feature such as remote access, but it is powerful
enough that I doubt many consumers would want to pay for a
third-party screen reader or even donate to support a free
one when what is built-in to the operating system can
already do most of what you need. Basically what I've
always said would happen if too powerful of a screen
reader was included in Windows by default. Third-party
developers essentially have no incentive to create a new
screen reader for the Mac.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:25 PM

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac
users out there

Yes! It is ashamed on this part. I cannot began to
think why Apple has not put this in their
accessibility features on the Mac. Why would you not
want it where you could get help with the Mac or even
training on the mac by accessible remote into it. But
you are right I don’t see anyone coming up with a
screen reader for the Mac anytime soon. I think this
is due to two things one there is not a big enough
blind Mac market to make it probable to a screen
reader company and 2^nd if there was a free screen
reader like NVDA that did a screen reader for the Mac
the blind Mac users would bash it to death saying why
we need a screen reader for the mac when we have VO. I
can tell you for sure that Vo on the mac just don’t do
it for me. Now I saying on the Mac on IOS it is
different.

I think competition is great as it makes other
business and companies work to have a better product
than the other .

But to get back to the remote access to me if I was a
blind Mac user not to have accessible remote access so
you could get help or give help in today’s world would
almost be a deal breaker.

I assume there is some kind of remote access on the
mac just not accessible to the blind ?

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac
users out there

This is what happens when there's no competition.
Notice that almost every Windows screen reader
has remote access functionality. What incentive does
Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the
Mac and you're stuck with it.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@twc.com>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac
users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be
something like that out there but so far I don't
believe that there is. I will definitely do some
checking around and see if there are any Mac users
that no of search capability and see if there is
some ways to do something like this. I'll get back
with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a
solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously
needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt
<matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just
another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people
would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all
mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only
thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party
applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789@yahoo.com>

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt
<matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on
windows with jaws? Another

words with VO?

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>




Re: question for you all mac users out there

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

I don't know if it's above JFW or NVDA, but from what I've played with it, it's way above narrator. there are still stuff like reading dialogs, that narrator can't do, and that is just a basic example. and voice over works in third party apps, from what I know; narrator still struggles...

On 05/07/17 5:17 AM, Rob wrote:
Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple think Blind
users is not capable of doing this?
Probably more like they think there's no need of it. VO is only a basic screen reader after all. From what I hear, it's barely above Narrator in windows 10, although, of course, you can't compare the two operating systems. VO only provides access to the basic apps. I'm not sure a blind person can get the full money's worth from a 2 and 3 thousand dollar mac.
If I'm wrong and VO is on par with JFW or something now, please correct me.


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

I don't believe there is anything for android, either, though. I mean, team viewer sort of works, but it didn't allow me to see the other end's tablet, so that kinda defeated the purpose.

On 05/07/17 1:29 AM, Carlos wrote:
This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@twc.com>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there
Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like
that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will
definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac
users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to
do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever
I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously
needing such service.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me
not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested
this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do,
if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such
as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789@yahoo.com>

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another
words with VO?


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>








Re: 2 Android questions

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

OK, so I see that we had answers just after I replied. in this case, I didn't extend it out to the internet. I was commenting to Josh, and he basically told us to let Microsoft collect all they want about us, from our own devices. that, I don't agree with. however, as the discussion was about operating systems, in this instance, it wasn't extended to the internet, and web sites giving us advertisements.

On 04/07/17 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
I agree but without clarification, we don't know if Rajmund is extending this to the Internet. I hope you discuss this, Rajmund.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 04, 2017 9:21 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
Possibly, but I'm specifically referring to tracking built-in to the operating system which is something you have theoretically already paid for and is not generally related to advertisement.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 04, 2017 10:17 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
Tracking may be abused and people have the right to be informed and
opt out. But I believe that if they do, then they should be charged
for content others get for free since it is advertising that pays
for the content. I'm not advocating or supporting tracking for
commercial purposes or not. I'm making one point, those who try to
defeat tracking by various means still expect and use free content
but they aren't doing the equivalent of paying for it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rajmund <mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 04, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
take my advice, don't give in, and just let companies watch you, like
they have with Josh. try whatever it takes, to make yourself feel
comfortable. if you don't want to be tracked, do against it. if you
don't care like Josh doesn't, then fair enough, go out buy something,
and just feel safe, knowing you're tracked. I, will prevent it wherever
possible, let me assure you. and I will support those who feel the
same
way as I, and millions of others do.
On 03/07/17 2:10 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
> take my advice, stop being paranoid about being watched and just
go out
> and buy the device you want to use and enjoy it.
>
>
>
> On 7/2/2017 7:59 PM, janet gross wrote:
>> Carolyn,
>> Even though, all the research I been doing, and I've had some
pretty good
>> ideas about which way I wanted to go, this privacy issue just makes
>> me so
>> uncomfortable! I just ask myself, why should I go out an
purchase a
>> tablet,
>> and the whole time someone is going to be watching me when I'm
on the
>> internet, texting, emailing, talking into the phone, etc. So I'm
>> still not
>> for sure yet, but I have to admit, wow, what a education I'm
getting!
>> Smile!
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:42 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> We'll be interested to know what you end up with, Janet and how you
>> like it.
>>
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 11:33 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Smart to weigh the pros and cons, this is good to know.
>> Priority you don't have to prove yourself to anyone, You go girl!
>> Janet
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 8:36 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Smart to weigh the pros and cons. To me the priority is can I
use it?
>> If I
>> can, I want the easiest. I am not out to prove anything to anyone.
>>
>> Another tablet option is the Amazon Kindle Fire. I like its
screen and
>> speakers. My husband is using one. He just loves the thing. Its
screen
>> reader is called Alexa, and I had to change in JAWS dictionary
to make it
>> pronounce A l e x a correctly.
>>
>> It is a sort of Android cousin, but, by no means pure Android.
You might
>> know all of this, but in case you did not, I was telling you.
Accessible
>> electronics sells them and sets them up to make them easier for
blind
>> people
>> to use by getting certain features downloaded that you would need.
>> They advertise quite often on the Blind Best list the best part
is for
>> buy,
>> sell, trade. So it is the blindbst@groups/ios
<mailto:blindbst@groups/ios>, I believe.
>>
>> The web site of the company is
>>
>> laz@talkingmp3players.com <mailto:laz@talkingmp3players.com>
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:37 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Your husband is right, learn one thing at a time. Hang in there,
and
>> before
>> you know it, you will be an expert!
>> I wish you lots of luck, as for myself, I still haven't figured
out which
>> tablet I will purchase yet.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 10:26 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Janet, I love the screen reader TalkBack. She sounds better than
JAWS.
>>
>> I have been learning one thing at a time. Yes, I have been on
the net
>> some,
>> and I'm getting there.
>>
>> I have Gmail, and Joshua, who really knows this stuff, advised
me to get
>> Aqua Mail. I probably will try it.
>>
>> My husband said to learn one thing at a time and get proficient.
That is
>> what I have been doing. When I first got it, I wondered if I'd
really get
>> very far, but it is coming right along. It really would be cool
if I
>> could
>> have a couple of one-on-one classes, but that simply is not to
be, so
>> it's
>> up to me. However, HJoshua answered a million and a half questions,
>> has been
>> so patient and nice about it. Like I told you, I have the list of
>> commands
>> he sent me, and if you get one, I'd be happy to share them with you.
>>
>> Yes, that is a good advantage of the keyboard, which is for a
lot of
>> typing.
>> I had to adjust to it. It is a Google keyboard. Below the
Spacebar is
>> a wide
>> area, which contains a mouse, that I can use some. The thing is
that you
>> have to be sure not to rest the heels of your hands on it, or it
does all
>> kind of crazy stuff. First, I thought it was me sitting in my
>> recliner, but
>> I am able to do that, just have to be sure not to have any part
of my
>> hands
>> or wrists in the area below the Spacebar. If you get one, check
it out
>> real
>> well. The area does not go all the way across the bottom of the
keyboard.
>>
>> The fourth key from the left goes directly to Settings. To use
>> Notifications
>> or Overview, for Notifications, you press
>> Control+Alt+N, and for Overview, Control+Alt+R. When you go
>> into Overview, it will have the last few screens, so, maybe
you're on
>> Gmail,
>> tab twice to Dismiss, press Alt-Enter.
>> Usually the next program, maybe Settings will appear, and you are
>> right on
>> Dismiss, just Press Control+Alt+Enter.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 10:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Thank you so much for all this great information. You just about
have me
>> sold! Smile! How about serfing the internet, how about the email
>> program
>> on the tablet that would be gmail? Did you have a difficult time
>> adjusting
>> to the screen reader talkback? I have an Apple iPhone though,
but I'm
>> slowly am starting to feel about Apple phones, like I'm thinking
about
>> Microsoft, and I'm not really all that happy with them. I was
thinking
>> about buying a windows tablet, but I've decided I want to get
away from
>> Microsoft, and now, I'm beginning to feel the same way about
Apple. I
>> don't
>> mine using a touch screen, but at the sametime, I wouldn't mind a
>> keyboard
>> so if I have a lot of typing to do.
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:16 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> It is a touch screen, but it has a Google Keyboard with it.
>> It is really nice, and the way the keyboard is made with it, it
is really
>> like a little mini computer. It folds and makes a nice case.
>>
>> You can add an SD card, I believe 128 gb. Joshua Kennedy will know.
>>
>> My Wal-Mart did not have one, so I bought mine from Amazon.
>> I didn't think to check Wal-Mart online. But still, I paid $109;
>> Joshua says
>> Wal-Mart has them for $80, I think $79.99.
>> It has Google TalkBack, and I have now adjusted her to the
fastest speed.
>>
>> If you use it without the keyboard, you need to power off the
device,
>> and if
>> you reattach the keyboard, you need to power off. It is flexible
that
>> way,
>> so you can use it either way. I really think that a person can
get good
>> value from one.
>>
>> I think that the future is leading to tablets and phones.
>> I'm not sure why one might have both. I got the tablet to learn
to use
>> the
>> Google platform so that I could get an Android phone, which is a
more
>> expensive investment. I am glad that Joshua told us on the list
about
>> them.
>>
>> If you get one, I'll send you the key strokes that Joshua sent me,
>> because
>> that makes it way easier, if you know how to navigate. You have
to use
>> Alt
>> with Arrow and Enter and things to move about or enter. You use
>> Shift+Alt+Enter for Long Press, which is more or less a
>> menu. If you are
>> using the screen, you double tap and hold. Ana Garza in her book
said
>> when
>> you double tap, it is like a two-sylable word. My husband's last
name is
>> Samples, so I think Samples, as I double tap, and I am opening
things
>> now.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:59 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carrolyn,
>> I am seriously considering buying a Android tablet. You sound like
>> you are
>> quite happy with your RCA Galileo pro tablet. Can you add more
space
>> on the
>> tablet if need be? Is it a touch screen? I was trying to follow the
>> thread
>> the list had going sometime ago, but my inbox just fel asleep, so I
>> didn't
>> get all the info I would have liked to get.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any info.
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:01 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> I don't have a virus program on my RCA Galileo Pro Android
tablet, and
>> I do
>> really like it. It works too. I had been negligent to check
>> notifications.
>> After I had it for about a month, I did - TWENTY UPDATES! I let
them run,
>> and you can bet I check notifications every day now.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory
>> Associates
>> LTD, Inc.
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:03 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> James wrote in path:
>>
>> "please let me ask you just one more question? Do most Android
user's
>> install antivirus on their devices?"
>>
>> This one is a touchy subject! Personally, I don't use any virus
>> checkers on
>> my Android toys! I've been with Android for nearly four and half
>> years, I
>> have had NO INCIDENCES WITH VIRUSES to this very minute. I have
>> installed
>> all manners of aps on my devices with no problems; it has not
bothered me
>> whether or not the apps I installed were secured or otherwise. My
>> toys keep
>> working flawlessly and no virus checkers of any kind.
>>
>> If installing one makes you feel more comfortable, please feel
free to do
>> so. Whilst there are several virus checkers on the Android
platform, the
>> two common ones I have heard of are Avast and LookOut! Feel
free to
>> install
>> any or both of these and play with them before settling for the one
>> you like
>> better.
>>
>> Some virus checkers in Android land can be battery hogs, meaning
that
>> they
>> may drain your battery far faster than you want to see happen.
I don't
>> believe that the two mentioned here at that way; but, again, I
don't
>> use a
>> virus checker in any of my Android toys! May be I am postponing the
>> inevitable, but I sure want to LEAVE well alone especially if it's
>> working
>> as expected.
>>
>> More questions? Please don't hesitate to keep sending them
through.
>> There
>> are a number of Androideans in the house who will step up to the
plate
>> if I
>> can't get to them fast enough! All the best sire.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 2 Android questions

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi Gene,
but if I defeat Microsoft's ability to track me, that, to me, is different to commercials in front of, say, a video.

On 04/07/17 3:17 PM, Gene wrote:
Tracking may be abused and people have the right to be informed and opt out. But I believe that if they do, then they should be charged for content others get for free since it is advertising that pays for the content. I'm not advocating or supporting tracking for commercial purposes or not. I'm making one point, those who try to defeat tracking by various means still expect and use free content but they aren't doing the equivalent of paying for it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rajmund <mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 04, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
take my advice, don't give in, and just let companies watch you, like
they have with Josh. try whatever it takes, to make yourself feel
comfortable. if you don't want to be tracked, do against it. if you
don't care like Josh doesn't, then fair enough, go out buy something,
and just feel safe, knowing you're tracked. I, will prevent it wherever
possible, let me assure you. and I will support those who feel the same
way as I, and millions of others do.
On 03/07/17 2:10 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
> take my advice, stop being paranoid about being watched and just go out
> and buy the device you want to use and enjoy it.
>
>
>
> On 7/2/2017 7:59 PM, janet gross wrote:
>> Carolyn,
>> Even though, all the research I been doing, and I've had some pretty
good
>> ideas about which way I wanted to go, this privacy issue just makes
>> me so
>> uncomfortable! I just ask myself, why should I go out an purchase a
>> tablet,
>> and the whole time someone is going to be watching me when I'm on the
>> internet, texting, emailing, talking into the phone, etc. So I'm
>> still not
>> for sure yet, but I have to admit, wow, what a education I'm getting!
>> Smile!
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:42 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> We'll be interested to know what you end up with, Janet and how you
>> like it.
>>
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 11:33 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Smart to weigh the pros and cons, this is good to know.
>> Priority you don't have to prove yourself to anyone, You go girl!
>> Janet
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 8:36 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Smart to weigh the pros and cons. To me the priority is can I use it?
>> If I
>> can, I want the easiest. I am not out to prove anything to anyone.
>>
>> Another tablet option is the Amazon Kindle Fire. I like its screen and
>> speakers. My husband is using one. He just loves the thing. Its screen
>> reader is called Alexa, and I had to change in JAWS dictionary to
make it
>> pronounce A l e x a correctly.
>>
>> It is a sort of Android cousin, but, by no means pure Android. You might
>> know all of this, but in case you did not, I was telling you. Accessible
>> electronics sells them and sets them up to make them easier for blind
>> people
>> to use by getting certain features downloaded that you would need.
>> They advertise quite often on the Blind Best list the best part is for
>> buy,
>> sell, trade. So it is the blindbst@groups/ios
<mailto:blindbst@groups/ios>, I believe.
>>
>> The web site of the company is
>>
>> laz@talkingmp3players.com <mailto:laz@talkingmp3players.com>
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:37 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Your husband is right, learn one thing at a time. Hang in there, and
>> before
>> you know it, you will be an expert!
>> I wish you lots of luck, as for myself, I still haven't figured out
which
>> tablet I will purchase yet.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 10:26 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Janet, I love the screen reader TalkBack. She sounds better than JAWS.
>>
>> I have been learning one thing at a time. Yes, I have been on the net
>> some,
>> and I'm getting there.
>>
>> I have Gmail, and Joshua, who really knows this stuff, advised me to get
>> Aqua Mail. I probably will try it.
>>
>> My husband said to learn one thing at a time and get proficient. That is
>> what I have been doing. When I first got it, I wondered if I'd
really get
>> very far, but it is coming right along. It really would be cool if I
>> could
>> have a couple of one-on-one classes, but that simply is not to be, so
>> it's
>> up to me. However, HJoshua answered a million and a half questions,
>> has been
>> so patient and nice about it. Like I told you, I have the list of
>> commands
>> he sent me, and if you get one, I'd be happy to share them with you.
>>
>> Yes, that is a good advantage of the keyboard, which is for a lot of
>> typing.
>> I had to adjust to it. It is a Google keyboard. Below the Spacebar is
>> a wide
>> area, which contains a mouse, that I can use some. The thing is that you
>> have to be sure not to rest the heels of your hands on it, or it
does all
>> kind of crazy stuff. First, I thought it was me sitting in my
>> recliner, but
>> I am able to do that, just have to be sure not to have any part of my
>> hands
>> or wrists in the area below the Spacebar. If you get one, check it out
>> real
>> well. The area does not go all the way across the bottom of the
keyboard.
>>
>> The fourth key from the left goes directly to Settings. To use
>> Notifications
>> or Overview, for Notifications, you press
>> Control+Alt+N, and for Overview, Control+Alt+R. When you go
>> into Overview, it will have the last few screens, so, maybe you're on
>> Gmail,
>> tab twice to Dismiss, press Alt-Enter.
>> Usually the next program, maybe Settings will appear, and you are
>> right on
>> Dismiss, just Press Control+Alt+Enter.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 10:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Thank you so much for all this great information. You just about
have me
>> sold! Smile! How about serfing the internet, how about the email
>> program
>> on the tablet that would be gmail? Did you have a difficult time
>> adjusting
>> to the screen reader talkback? I have an Apple iPhone though, but I'm
>> slowly am starting to feel about Apple phones, like I'm thinking about
>> Microsoft, and I'm not really all that happy with them. I was thinking
>> about buying a windows tablet, but I've decided I want to get away from
>> Microsoft, and now, I'm beginning to feel the same way about Apple. I
>> don't
>> mine using a touch screen, but at the sametime, I wouldn't mind a
>> keyboard
>> so if I have a lot of typing to do.
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:16 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> It is a touch screen, but it has a Google Keyboard with it.
>> It is really nice, and the way the keyboard is made with it, it is
really
>> like a little mini computer. It folds and makes a nice case.
>>
>> You can add an SD card, I believe 128 gb. Joshua Kennedy will know.
>>
>> My Wal-Mart did not have one, so I bought mine from Amazon.
>> I didn't think to check Wal-Mart online. But still, I paid $109;
>> Joshua says
>> Wal-Mart has them for $80, I think $79.99.
>> It has Google TalkBack, and I have now adjusted her to the fastest
speed.
>>
>> If you use it without the keyboard, you need to power off the device,
>> and if
>> you reattach the keyboard, you need to power off. It is flexible that
>> way,
>> so you can use it either way. I really think that a person can get good
>> value from one.
>>
>> I think that the future is leading to tablets and phones.
>> I'm not sure why one might have both. I got the tablet to learn to use
>> the
>> Google platform so that I could get an Android phone, which is a more
>> expensive investment. I am glad that Joshua told us on the list about
>> them.
>>
>> If you get one, I'll send you the key strokes that Joshua sent me,
>> because
>> that makes it way easier, if you know how to navigate. You have to use
>> Alt
>> with Arrow and Enter and things to move about or enter. You use
>> Shift+Alt+Enter for Long Press, which is more or less a
>> menu. If you are
>> using the screen, you double tap and hold. Ana Garza in her book said
>> when
>> you double tap, it is like a two-sylable word. My husband's last name is
>> Samples, so I think Samples, as I double tap, and I am opening things
>> now.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:59 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> Hi Carrolyn,
>> I am seriously considering buying a Android tablet. You sound like
>> you are
>> quite happy with your RCA Galileo pro tablet. Can you add more space
>> on the
>> tablet if need be? Is it a touch screen? I was trying to follow the
>> thread
>> the list had going sometime ago, but my inbox just fel asleep, so I
>> didn't
>> get all the info I would have liked to get.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any info.
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:01 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> I don't have a virus program on my RCA Galileo Pro Android tablet, and
>> I do
>> really like it. It works too. I had been negligent to check
>> notifications.
>> After I had it for about a month, I did - TWENTY UPDATES! I let them
run,
>> and you can bet I check notifications every day now.
>>
>> Best from,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory
>> Associates
>> LTD, Inc.
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:03 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 2 Android questions
>>
>> James wrote in path:
>>
>> "please let me ask you just one more question? Do most Android user's
>> install antivirus on their devices?"
>>
>> This one is a touchy subject! Personally, I don't use any virus
>> checkers on
>> my Android toys! I've been with Android for nearly four and half
>> years, I
>> have had NO INCIDENCES WITH VIRUSES to this very minute. I have
>> installed
>> all manners of aps on my devices with no problems; it has not
bothered me
>> whether or not the apps I installed were secured or otherwise. My
>> toys keep
>> working flawlessly and no virus checkers of any kind.
>>
>> If installing one makes you feel more comfortable, please feel free
to do
>> so. Whilst there are several virus checkers on the Android
platform, the
>> two common ones I have heard of are Avast and LookOut! Feel free to
>> install
>> any or both of these and play with them before settling for the one
>> you like
>> better.
>>
>> Some virus checkers in Android land can be battery hogs, meaning that
>> they
>> may drain your battery far faster than you want to see happen. I don't
>> believe that the two mentioned here at that way; but, again, I don't
>> use a
>> virus checker in any of my Android toys! May be I am postponing the
>> inevitable, but I sure want to LEAVE well alone especially if it's
>> working
>> as expected.
>>
>> More questions? Please don't hesitate to keep sending them through.
>> There
>> are a number of Androideans in the house who will step up to the plate
>> if I
>> can't get to them fast enough! All the best sire.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
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Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jaffar Sidek
 

I was just remarking on a list member who claims that perhaps Apple aren't so committed to accessibility as they are claiming to.  I think there are facts that speak for themselves.  I am perhaps one of the blessed few who get a chance to work on both windows and the Mac, and I can tell you, both have their ups and downs because of their unique and diversed eco systems, and only by experiencing both can one make fair and unbiased judgements.  The next best approach is to thoroughly research before making outrageous claims.


On 5/7/2017 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote:
I don't believe anyone was using remote access as a benchmark for accessibility on Macs.  My point was not whether Macs are less accessible than Windows based machines.  My point is that accessible remote access is just an example of something which will probably never be added to VoiceOver simply because Apple has no incentive to do so.  And in my opinion, the lack of incentive most likely stems from the fact that they have no competition.  Although I would argue that remote access is not just a tool for assisting friends and family.  For many  blind users, it also provides job opportunities.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Just because Apple doesn't implement remote access for VO, does it mean that The Mac or VO is less accessible, or that Apple cares less for Accessibility?  Please note that it took Microsoft until Windows 10 for us to be given the privilige to indepentendly install windows from scratch.  Apple allowed for this years ago.  I don't know if windows smart phones or android phones can be set up by us blind folks from scratch, but I have done this independently on my IPhone a few times now.  What do we need remote access for?  Mostly to help with a problem on a friend's or family member's PC who happens to live miles away?  Perhaps Apple has enough confidence to see that Problems on the mac are fewer and far between, I don't know, but if remote access is the major bench mark for how accessible a screen reader is to be measured, then surely we are on the wrong track.


On 5/7/2017 12:49 PM, Matt wrote:

Just because they supposedly be a big accessibility fan and take it so serious as any Apple Kool aide drinking apple user would say. If they are so much on the ban wagon and since they have no other screen reader then it seems they would want to follow the steps of other screen readers when it comes to accessibility ! HAHA . Maybe they don’t take accessibility to much as to heart as people think.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I have no idea what Apple thinks, but as I said, what incentive would they have to invest resources into developing accessible remote access?

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:11 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple think Blind users is not capable of doing this?

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

No, that is not what I am saying.  I am saying that it is possible for a blind user to receive remote assistance from a sighted person using the Screen Sharing service.  A blind user cannot provide remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

So you are saying the built in remote access can be done by a blind person and be accessible? Another words a blind person can do a remote access from their mac to another mac and give tech support or vice versa or training? I don’t care if the remote access is by the screen reader or the OS as long as it is accessible and can be done by the blind person. Something similar to jaws or NVDA.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

LOL I didn't say anything about remote access built-in to VoiceOver, but most operating systems have some kind of remote access built-in.  I believe on Macs it is called the Screen Sharing service.  Also note that I said the blind could receive remote assistance.  I didn't say anything about the blind providing remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

That might be true on the screen reader and sure it has some kind of built in remote access. But I sure it is not accessible. Not to do or accept the remote access but to be able to hear the screen reader coming thru your speakers and controlling it the remote access by the keyboard along. I have not heard of anything of a blind mac user being able to remote access another Mac to be able to give tech help or receive tech help from a blind user or training a user on it thru remote access. So that is really what I trying to get to . Is there any way a blind user can give remote tech support by remoting into the Mac or receive tech support by a blind user and or training by remote access by a blind person. This is to me what would or need to happen on the mac .

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I'm sure it is possible for the blind to receive remote assistance on a Mac.  As for a third-party screen reader, free or otherwise, I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with it being bashed.  I think it is probably more a matter of it most likely not being a profitable venture.  VoiceOver may not have certain powerful feature such as remote access, but it is powerful enough that I doubt many consumers would want to pay for a third-party screen reader or even donate to support a free one when what is built-in to the operating system can already do most of what you need.  Basically what I've always said would happen if too powerful of a screen reader was included in Windows by default.  Third-party developers essentially have no incentive to create a new screen reader for the Mac.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:25 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Yes! It is ashamed on this part.  I cannot began to think why Apple has not put this in their accessibility features on the Mac. Why would you not want it where you could get help with the Mac or even training on the mac by accessible remote into it. But you are right I don’t see anyone coming up with a screen reader for the Mac anytime soon. I think this is due to two things one there is not a big enough blind Mac market to make it probable to a screen reader company and 2nd if there was a free screen reader like NVDA that did a screen reader for the Mac the blind Mac users would bash it to death saying why we need a screen reader for the mac when we have VO. I can tell you for sure that Vo on the mac just don’t do it for me. Now I saying on the Mac on IOS it is different.

I think competition is great as it makes other business and companies work to have a better product than the other .

But to get back to the remote access  to me if I was a blind Mac user not to have accessible remote access so you could get help or give help in today’s world would almost be a deal breaker.

I assume there is some kind of remote access on the mac just not accessible to the blind ?

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

This is what happens when there's no competition.  Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.  What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?  VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
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Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another

words with VO?

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...







Re: 2 Android questions

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi,
I refuse to be insulted, should I choose to not use real name on there. some people on eyes free have too much time on their hands. they pretty much intentionally go out and find something to pick on. is it all people? no, not at all. but a handful. as for KNFB, completely agree, although I haven't bought it for android, either.

On 04/07/17 1:31 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
If we're talking about Android, even though there are a plethora of mailing
lists dealing with the subject, the most authoritative one still remains
eyes-free on google Groups! It is one run by Google itself and, developers
of Talkback and related products do hang out there! yes, they participate
in the conversations now and then, and, if there's a new release or update
to Talkback, you'll find out first on the eyes-free list and not anywhere
else in prime time.
Chief Rajmund, I humbly disagree that eyes-free is a hostile mailing list!
Far too often, cacophony rises to the top because new migrants to Android
always want Android to SING THEIR TUNE, dance to their drumbeat until the
break of dawn, and eat everything including corn chips with forks and
knives! New entrants to any club should take the time to learn how business
is done in their new club! No, newcomers to eyes-free don't do this and, it
miffs long-term Android season ticket holders. I consider myself a
long-term Android ticket holder; I sometimes ask to be pointed to a list for
iOS where I can hang out and shout out slogans for Android. Thus far, no
luck in that department!
Unless push comes to shove and I am forced to purchase one, I have no desire
or will to shake my stick at any iOS device! Why? I am unwilling to pay
more than I can afford for any phone or tablet. I bet you KNFB Reader sold
more copies when it came to Android at $19.99! I was one person who refused
to pay $100 for the app just because it was specially adapted for my use as
a blind person. Since I am an app junky, I can typically find other apps
for pennies on the dollar in Android land to get work done. As a business
owner, I'm finding POINT OF SALE apps who services cost me less than $30 a
month in Android land; when I investigated iOS, the cost was staggering!
So, if AppleVis and other iOS lists defend their turf, eyes-free ought to be
accorded the same privilege. This, in my view, is only fair.
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Tracker Breeze

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

and you pay more for the navigation part, that you'll never use. I can buy a high end phone for that, that does it all, plus more.

On 04/07/17 12:38 AM, Matt wrote:
Well you will get GPS with it as well as lots of new features as well.
So basically you will get the trek breeze combine with the victor reader with some thrifty new features like BT, higher processer and 32 GB of storage on board now and FM radio and lots of GPS features coming for the GPS as time goes on.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze
Gary Ray here.
It should be a very good experience as a first go into the world of the V Stream.
I do not think I'll buy one. Just too much money for what I feel I would get.
I have been a Stream user ever since they came out. Lordy, I cannot even remember how long ago that was. As I remember it, the NFB was in Atlanta. Everyone who ordered one was put into a drawing to get it free. And, my God, I won it! Ha!
Again, I am sure you will enjoy this new unit.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze
I just downloaded and played the podcast, and I agree. I think I am finally going to own a Victor product. Pam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 1:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze
Well it has 32 GB of on board memory as well as well as a FM radio and BT and a lot faster processer as well. All this really sounds good to me. JMT.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze
Gary Ray here.
Yes, it appears that the new "combo" unit does have "built in" BT capability.
This seems to be the only additional feature of interest to me as a V Stream Next Generation user. I am currently thinking that it is a lot to pay for onboard BT capability.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze
Maybe the new combo Stream/Trekker will have Bluetooth, I hope. But, in the meantime, I think Laz sells a Bluetooth setup that will plug into the current Victor Stream.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> <tr>
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On 7/3/17, Gary Ray <gary.hubert.ray@gmail.com> wrote:
Carolyn:

The V Stream Next Generation does NOT have BT capability.

Gary Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 11:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

What is that new device. I just bought a Stream, which I am having to
send for repair, but I believe that it is Bluetooth capable.

What is this new one? How much storage does it have? Is the speaker
quality better than the Victor. I mean, this is like pulling a scab
off a sore for me to ask you this, but I'd be interested to know
whether or not I can get one.

Laz on Blind Best had a great demonstration of a Daizy Reader, and I
like Sally and Joey, oh way, way, way better than Heather and Ryan.
Trouble is though that as I understand it, you can't access BARD with
it. The controls sounded so smart and logical.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 10:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tracker Breeze

Well there is no doubt I will be getting this device! As soon as I can
put in a Pre order for it. I have been waiting for the newer version
of a victor stream to come out with Bluetooth. But this is so much
better. I never expected this. You save 100 bucks on pre order so that
is nice as well. So will be getting this device.





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>



From: MattFromFlorida [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: Tracker Breeze



Well here is a podcast on what was the tracker breeze GPS that then
became tracker Breeze +. It the tracker breeze + was discontinue for
they could no longer gets parts for it.

Good news Human ware has now came out with the victor stream reader
with tracker breeze incorporated into the victor reader stream. So
listen all about it from the Blind bargains podcast . See link below.



http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/www.blindbargains.co
m/audio/170702_humanware_trek.mp3









Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>












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Re: question for you all mac users out there

Carlos
 

I don't believe anyone was using remote access as a benchmark for accessibility on Macs.  My point was not whether Macs are less accessible than Windows based machines.  My point is that accessible remote access is just an example of something which will probably never be added to VoiceOver simply because Apple has no incentive to do so.  And in my opinion, the lack of incentive most likely stems from the fact that they have no competition.  Although I would argue that remote access is not just a tool for assisting friends and family.  For many  blind users, it also provides job opportunities.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Just because Apple doesn't implement remote access for VO, does it mean that The Mac or VO is less accessible, or that Apple cares less for Accessibility?  Please note that it took Microsoft until Windows 10 for us to be given the privilige to indepentendly install windows from scratch.  Apple allowed for this years ago.  I don't know if windows smart phones or android phones can be set up by us blind folks from scratch, but I have done this independently on my IPhone a few times now.  What do we need remote access for?  Mostly to help with a problem on a friend's or family member's PC who happens to live miles away?  Perhaps Apple has enough confidence to see that Problems on the mac are fewer and far between, I don't know, but if remote access is the major bench mark for how accessible a screen reader is to be measured, then surely we are on the wrong track.


On 5/7/2017 12:49 PM, Matt wrote:

Just because they supposedly be a big accessibility fan and take it so serious as any Apple Kool aide drinking apple user would say. If they are so much on the ban wagon and since they have no other screen reader then it seems they would want to follow the steps of other screen readers when it comes to accessibility ! HAHA . Maybe they don’t take accessibility to much as to heart as people think.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I have no idea what Apple thinks, but as I said, what incentive would they have to invest resources into developing accessible remote access?

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:11 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple think Blind users is not capable of doing this?

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

No, that is not what I am saying.  I am saying that it is possible for a blind user to receive remote assistance from a sighted person using the Screen Sharing service.  A blind user cannot provide remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

So you are saying the built in remote access can be done by a blind person and be accessible? Another words a blind person can do a remote access from their mac to another mac and give tech support or vice versa or training? I don’t care if the remote access is by the screen reader or the OS as long as it is accessible and can be done by the blind person. Something similar to jaws or NVDA.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

LOL I didn't say anything about remote access built-in to VoiceOver, but most operating systems have some kind of remote access built-in.  I believe on Macs it is called the Screen Sharing service.  Also note that I said the blind could receive remote assistance.  I didn't say anything about the blind providing remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

That might be true on the screen reader and sure it has some kind of built in remote access. But I sure it is not accessible. Not to do or accept the remote access but to be able to hear the screen reader coming thru your speakers and controlling it the remote access by the keyboard along. I have not heard of anything of a blind mac user being able to remote access another Mac to be able to give tech help or receive tech help from a blind user or training a user on it thru remote access. So that is really what I trying to get to . Is there any way a blind user can give remote tech support by remoting into the Mac or receive tech support by a blind user and or training by remote access by a blind person. This is to me what would or need to happen on the mac .

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I'm sure it is possible for the blind to receive remote assistance on a Mac.  As for a third-party screen reader, free or otherwise, I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with it being bashed.  I think it is probably more a matter of it most likely not being a profitable venture.  VoiceOver may not have certain powerful feature such as remote access, but it is powerful enough that I doubt many consumers would want to pay for a third-party screen reader or even donate to support a free one when what is built-in to the operating system can already do most of what you need.  Basically what I've always said would happen if too powerful of a screen reader was included in Windows by default.  Third-party developers essentially have no incentive to create a new screen reader for the Mac.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:25 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Yes! It is ashamed on this part.  I cannot began to think why Apple has not put this in their accessibility features on the Mac. Why would you not want it where you could get help with the Mac or even training on the mac by accessible remote into it. But you are right I don’t see anyone coming up with a screen reader for the Mac anytime soon. I think this is due to two things one there is not a big enough blind Mac market to make it probable to a screen reader company and 2nd if there was a free screen reader like NVDA that did a screen reader for the Mac the blind Mac users would bash it to death saying why we need a screen reader for the mac when we have VO. I can tell you for sure that Vo on the mac just don’t do it for me. Now I saying on the Mac on IOS it is different.

I think competition is great as it makes other business and companies work to have a better product than the other .

But to get back to the remote access  to me if I was a blind Mac user not to have accessible remote access so you could get help or give help in today’s world would almost be a deal breaker.

I assume there is some kind of remote access on the mac just not accessible to the blind ?

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

This is what happens when there's no competition.  Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.  What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?  VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another

words with VO?

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...






Re: question for you all mac users out there

Lenron
 

Lets keep it real vo needs work, I am having trouble doing simple
things like installing the app I need to install to setup the beta all
because of commands not being as simple as they should be. I will
always love windows more because of the fact I can just click on the
installer and get it done. I don't mind os's being different but man.

On 7/5/17, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way.
They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for
the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal
when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a
sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good
enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality
product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for
one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot
determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves
better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to
make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to
Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward
moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially
when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the
Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can
fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another
product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very
good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control
your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually
bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I
think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just
letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike
Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can
actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your
computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you
either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for
assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the
case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost
every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What
incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver
is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out
there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some
checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search
capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll
get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As
I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com














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Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jaffar Sidek
 

Just because Apple doesn't implement remote access for VO, does it mean that The Mac or VO is less accessible, or that Apple cares less for Accessibility?  Please note that it took Microsoft until Windows 10 for us to be given the privilige to indepentendly install windows from scratch.  Apple allowed for this years ago.  I don't know if windows smart phones or android phones can be set up by us blind folks from scratch, but I have done this independently on my IPhone a few times now.  What do we need remote access for?  Mostly to help with a problem on a friend's or family member's PC who happens to live miles away?  Perhaps Apple has enough confidence to see that Problems on the mac are fewer and far between, I don't know, but if remote access is the major bench mark for how accessible a screen reader is to be measured, then surely we are on the wrong track.


On 5/7/2017 12:49 PM, Matt wrote:

Just because they supposedly be a big accessibility fan and take it so serious as any Apple Kool aide drinking apple user would say. If they are so much on the ban wagon and since they have no other screen reader then it seems they would want to follow the steps of other screen readers when it comes to accessibility ! HAHA . Maybe they don’t take accessibility to much as to heart as people think.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

I have no idea what Apple thinks, but as I said, what incentive would they have to invest resources into developing accessible remote access?

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:11 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

Ok so this is something I think needs to be address. Or do Apple think Blind users is not capable of doing this?

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

No, that is not what I am saying.  I am saying that it is possible for a blind user to receive remote assistance from a sighted person using the Screen Sharing service.  A blind user cannot provide remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

So you are saying the built in remote access can be done by a blind person and be accessible? Another words a blind person can do a remote access from their mac to another mac and give tech support or vice versa or training? I don’t care if the remote access is by the screen reader or the OS as long as it is accessible and can be done by the blind person. Something similar to jaws or NVDA.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

LOL I didn't say anything about remote access built-in to VoiceOver, but most operating systems have some kind of remote access built-in.  I believe on Macs it is called the Screen Sharing service.  Also note that I said the blind could receive remote assistance.  I didn't say anything about the blind providing remote assistance.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

That might be true on the screen reader and sure it has some kind of built in remote access. But I sure it is not accessible. Not to do or accept the remote access but to be able to hear the screen reader coming thru your speakers and controlling it the remote access by the keyboard along. I have not heard of anything of a blind mac user being able to remote access another Mac to be able to give tech help or receive tech help from a blind user or training a user on it thru remote access. So that is really what I trying to get to . Is there any way a blind user can give remote tech support by remoting into the Mac or receive tech support by a blind user and or training by remote access by a blind person. This is to me what would or need to happen on the mac .

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

I'm sure it is possible for the blind to receive remote assistance on a Mac.  As for a third-party screen reader, free or otherwise, I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with it being bashed.  I think it is probably more a matter of it most likely not being a profitable venture.  VoiceOver may not have certain powerful feature such as remote access, but it is powerful enough that I doubt many consumers would want to pay for a third-party screen reader or even donate to support a free one when what is built-in to the operating system can already do most of what you need.  Basically what I've always said would happen if too powerful of a screen reader was included in Windows by default.  Third-party developers essentially have no incentive to create a new screen reader for the Mac.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:25 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

Yes! It is ashamed on this part.  I cannot began to think why Apple has not put this in their accessibility features on the Mac. Why would you not want it where you could get help with the Mac or even training on the mac by accessible remote into it. But you are right I don’t see anyone coming up with a screen reader for the Mac anytime soon. I think this is due to two things one there is not a big enough blind Mac market to make it probable to a screen reader company and 2nd if there was a free screen reader like NVDA that did a screen reader for the Mac the blind Mac users would bash it to death saying why we need a screen reader for the mac when we have VO. I can tell you for sure that Vo on the mac just don’t do it for me. Now I saying on the Mac on IOS it is different.

I think competition is great as it makes other business and companies work to have a better product than the other .

But to get back to the remote access  to me if I was a blind Mac user not to have accessible remote access so you could get help or give help in today’s world would almost be a deal breaker.

I assume there is some kind of remote access on the mac just not accessible to the blind ?

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

This is what happens when there's no competition.  Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.  What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?  VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

 

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

 

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another

words with VO?

 

 

Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@...

 

 






Re: Hosts File For Ad Blocking

Quentin Christensen
 

There are a few different options around.  I've been using a hosts file from: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ for awhile now and it seems to work well.

As for whether to use a hosts file or ad-blocking software, I'd say the considerations of each are:

Ad blocking software:
- Need to check accessibility of interface
- Should be able to update automatically to keep abreast of new ad services / threats
- Usually running all the time so may have an impact on performance.

Hosts file:
- Need to update manually (either adding items in by hand, or at least downloading a new version of the hosts file from your chosen source)
- It involves editing a text file, so no accessibility issues to worry about.
- not a running program, so no performance impact
- Possibility to be reset by things like Windows updates

If you want something that's constantly updated and don't mind it sitting in the taskbar, an ad-blocker is probably a good way to go.  If you like tinkering yourself or minimising the amount of running programs, a hosts file could be the way to go.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
On rereading the message, I see I misunderstood what it does.  I haven't looked at the actual file itself so I don't know how many domains are blocked.  It's more effective than I originally thought.  What I don't know is whether it's better to use the host file or an ad blocker. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Hosts File For Ad Blocking

It doesn't just block Google ads.  It blocks ads from any domain in the hosts file.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Hosts File For Ad Blocking

That only blocks Google ads.  Google ads make up a lot of advertising, but hardly all. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 2:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Hosts File For Ad Blocking

Hi All,
 
I would like to get some feedback on the following message, & opinions from anyone that is using this method of blocking ads.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
 
There is a very elegant way to block ads that requires no additional
software.  This works on a mac and pc and likely linux/unix but I have no
direct knowledge of the latter.  It also works to block any unwanted web
source.  Google for "hosts ads" and there is a ton of information.

This page explains how for a mac:

https://www.ihash.eu/2015/09/how-to-edit-hosts-file-in-mac-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/

Here for a pc:

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

The "hosts" file used in both can be found here, it is updated about once
a month:

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.zip

Dan
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.




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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: question for you all mac users out there

Matt
 

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com








Re: question for you all mac users out there

Matt
 

Correct! Totally agree. Also not so much about screen readers I was getting to but accessible remote access. Which in this case would have to include the only screen reader there is on the Mac and that is VO.

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

I don't believe in competition for the sake of competition. I believe in competition for the sake of sparking innovation and providing incentive. If VoiceOver had some competition, it is more likely that features such as remote access would have already been included.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a
good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one
quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose
what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the
choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen
reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen
readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my
Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover
glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag
more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I
am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems
to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system,
then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a
very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can
control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they
can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they
want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting
one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can
get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any
of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you
have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right
there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing.
call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get
it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that
almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality.
What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?
VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're
stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like
that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will
definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac
users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to
do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever
I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me
not to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do,
if share your screams somebody else through third party
applications. Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com









Re: question for you all mac users out there

Carlos
 

I don't believe in competition for the sake of competition. I believe in competition for the sake of sparking innovation and providing incentive. If VoiceOver had some competition, it is more likely that features such as remote access would have already been included.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others. Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com








Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jaffar Sidek
 

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others. Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!

On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not to get
a mac. You would think enough blind people would have requested this from
apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if share
your screams somebody else through third party applications. Such as zoom
more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws? Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com






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