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Re: Carlos's Win7PE

Carlos
 

That is interesting. Although admittedly I haven't done much testing. It didn't work for me, but I only tested with a couple of USB audio devices. It may depend on the specific USB audio device, but my comments were only based on personal experience and what I remember reading on the forums.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrin via Groups.Io" <dpf.1996=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


I used the version for windows 10 this afternoon and it picked up my external sound card without a problem at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE

An external sound card is definitely worth a try. I'll see if the
client has one. But I'm doubtful. Will report back.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 16:32:12 -0500, you wrote:

do you have an external sound card or headphones? They should work if the internal device requires a driver it can't find. USB sound cards or headphones usually play even if their software isn't installed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


What version of Windows 7 on the Dell? SP1, but I don't know what
patch date. ON the Gigabyte machine, everything up-to-date.

I'm thinking maybe the Dell boot was successful, but for whatever
reason there's no audio. I will have to get some visually-oriented
assistance to find out what's really happening. There is, of course,
the possibility that the disk did NOT boot because the boot device
order needs changing. That machine's CD/DVD drive is so quiet, you
practically need a stethoscope to hear it turn! LOL.

The Gigabyte machine is another matter. The owner has useful vision,
which is how I know about the four passes and the green screen flash.
That one's the real mystery.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:09:45 -0400, you wrote:

What version of Windows were the two machines running? For the record,
Win7PE works on both my Dell XPS 8700 and my old custom built Gigabyte based
system with no special modifications or drivers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


Carlos:

I've been using this great tool for, well, I forget exactly how long,
but a long long time. The other day, I ran into the very first pair of
machines on which the expanded ISO would not boot. One is a Dell
Inspiron, which may be the reason why, since Dell machines are
notorious for requiring their own drivers for *EVERYTHING*, but the
other was a homebrew, Gigabyte motherboard, Realtek AC97 audio chip
onboard, etc. The Dell machine is probably going to wind up being a
non-starter, but the Gigabyte machine should have worked. The burned
DVD definitely did something--the screen displayed the "loading files"
message, and a progress bar ran for what appeared to be four passes. I
think it was in the middle of the fourth pass, the screen flashed a
bright green, the progress bar filled to 100%, then everything
stopped. Any thoughts on this, or is it just not worth pursuing and
using the Windows 10 PE to do stuff like run the Terabyte Drive Image
Backup and Restore Suite (a.k.a. Image for Windows) which was the
original intent of using the Win7PE?










Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Loy,
 
I've been the dual route route before with XP & Windows 7, & although it was pretty cool for awhile, I grew to dislike it.  If I want Windows 7 & Windows 10 systems I'll have them separately on different computers using a KVM switch to go back & forth between the 2 of them.  Thank you for the link, I'll keep it for future reference just in case I ever change my mind.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

You can do a dual boot with Win 7 and Win 10 here is a link on how to do this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi Steve,
 
If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>



Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Carlos
 

Windows 10 does not have to be on the first partition. I have Windows 10 on the second partition.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


That's not technically true. If Windows 10 is installed as the first
partition, meaning it's a UEFI boot on a GPT drive, Windows 7 can be
added as a second partition. I've seen it done twice in four months. I
was thinking of doing it on my own systems, but I'm too lazy to
slipstream the updates, either with NTLite or any other way (including
DISM), and now I've gotten comfortable enough with Windows 10 for it
not to matter any more, so I dropped the whole plan.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:38:53 +0000, you wrote:

Hi Mike,
2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever! Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn't role back to Windows 7?
Janet


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth. But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.<mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi Steve,

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Matzura<mailto:number6@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

Hi David & Joe,

An update to my out of the box experience! LOL Well, it didn't stay out of
the box very long! They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
not Windows 7, so back into the box it went! LOL
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
trouble.

I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
before you start.

From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi All,

I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
& reminders about the out of the box experience. I know I'll need to get
started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
first? Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started? Anyways, if y'all would please give me
the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Jaffar Sidek
 

Absolutely Gene.


On 6/7/2017 9:45 PM, Gene wrote:
I doubt I'm saying anything you haven't thought of but for anyone interested, here are my thoughts.
 
In this case, though, competition is a means to an end, not the end.  The need to prove oneself superior, as a reaction to feelings of inferiority may well be the basis of the behavior.  That requires having one or more areas where one tries to prove oneself superior.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

I can't even wrap my brain around his kind of mentality.  I've never thought of this as a competition.  Of course it's always nice when people are appreciative or give thanks, but providing free support on mailing lists is hardly a road to fame or success.  And technical knowledge is certainly not any indication of superiority.  We all put our pants on one leg at a time in the morning.  Unless you're extremely limber and flexible that is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Also, I ssuspect many laptops don't have this key or if they provide the same functionality, it is by using two keys such as fn and something else.  Thus, your solution is probably far more broadly applicable. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Concern for copyright infringement was clearly not the motivation for his request.  What is there to copyright?  He provided a basic key remapping solution which he may or may not have even originated.  It's not as if he reinvented the wheel.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

You may give him the benefit of the doubt if you like but he is condescending, threatened by other knowledgeable users, constantly finds fault or nitpicks at others messages to show that he has superior knowledge, and his attitudes and behavior caused a lot of havoc on the Blindtech list awhile ago.  He doesn't care if his messages are copyrighted.  He just wants the glory of people knowing that he knew an answer. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Hi all,

I don't know the gentleman at all, Carlos, and you may have good reason
to complain about his arrogance et al.  However, since I don't know
him, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Apparently, he is
conscious of the fact that his posts are copyrighted, as per U.S.
copyright law.  He is asking that you cite his post properly.  this
might seem arrogant because none of us do this.  He is, however, within
his rights to do so.

Citing information properly is one of those things which is ignored
most of the time by list members all over the Net.  However, it is the
ultimate rationale behind the prohibition against cross-posting.  The
right thing to do, if you find something on a list which isn't an
announcement and isn't meant for wide distribution is to ask permission
before reposting it.  Do people do this?  No, they don't but they
should.  Is anyone caught and fined or arrested for violation of
copyright law referring to Internet postings, no.  It's usually too
small a violation and just goes under the radar.

ICORS makes particular note of copyright law when applied to list
postings in its rules and regs.  We who've been listowners for St.
Johns University's SJUVM and later with ICORS are familiar with the
copyright regs.

Now, This Free Tech guy may or may not be arrogant, as I say, I don't
know him, but the copyright laws are a fact.  He just may be particular
about his own posts.  Anal, probably, arrogant, maybe.

It is good info, though.  I've saved it.  Have a great day all.

Ann P.

Original message:
> Sigh. Arrogant and obnoxious as usual. He can't possibly offer a
> solution without insisting you announce to the world that it was
> provided by him LOL.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:24 AM
> Subject: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

> Hi All,
> I received the following set of steps off list from Joseph Free Tech
> for using 1 key to tell time & date. This looks like a very good
> approach for the 1 handed typists.
> Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
> the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Freetech <mailto:joseph.freetech@...>
> To: mb69mach1@... <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 6:47 PM
> Subject: Saying system time with JAWS
> Hi Mike,

> Regarding your JAWS SayTime and date question...

> I'll provide the following solution with the condition that you convey to
> others that it was Joseph Freetech who provided the solution. :)

> I have been suggesting this solution to others for a few years now, and I've
> never heard any complaints, in fact, I've heard amazement after the person
> presses the hotkey. In the instructions below you will be configuring the
> PauseBreak key to act as the Insert+F12 key. There is absolutely no need for
> modifying scripts--you're simply adding an additional keyboard assignment,
> which should not get in your way whatsoever--unless the person is using the
> PauseBreak key for something else.

> You will be modifying the JAWS keyboard manager.
> 1. Press JawsKey+8 (on the numrow) to open the JAWS Keyboard Manager.
> 2. Press ControlShift+D to open the default keyboard manager.
> 3. Tab to show the list of all keyboard assignments.
> 4. quickly type the following letters until you find the following script:
> SaySystemTime.
> 5. Press Control+A to activate the following item: add keystroke.
> 6. Press the PauseBreak key then tab to Ok and press enter.
> Note: on a normal 104 key external keyboard, the PauseBreak key is the third
> key on the 3-pack of keys to the top right of most standard keyboards. If
> you can't find it, turn on the JAWS help to locate this key.
> Note: use the JAWS cursor and read the entire screen to insure you have
> assigned the PauseBreak key and no other key.
> 7. After pressing on Ok, you will be asked by JAWS if you are certain you
> want to modify the JAWS keyboard manager, so simply press enter on Yes.
> 8. Press the PauseBreak once, and you should hear the time. Press the
> PauseBreak key twice quickly within half a second of time, and you should
> hear the date.
> Note: this also works on laptops, though it might be a little harder to find
> the PauseBreak key if you don't have sighted help.

> Please let me know if you have any difficulties with this process. :)

> Joseph the free tech guy!
> All are welcome to write me off list if absolutely any help is needed
> joseph.freetech@... <mailto:joseph.freetech@...>


>

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Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Steve,
 
Yes but, I don't want to have a dual boot again.  I did this once with XP & Windows 7, & although for awhile it was cool, it turned out to be abig pain inhe the A**!  LOL 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

That's not technically true. If Windows 10 is installed as the first
partition, meaning it's a UEFI boot on a GPT drive, Windows 7 can be
added as a second partition. I've seen it done twice in four months. I
was thinking of doing it on my own systems, but I'm too lazy to
slipstream the updates, either with NTLite or any other way (including
DISM), and now I've gotten comfortable enough with Windows 10 for it
not to matter any more, so I dropped the whole plan.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:38:53 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever!  Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn't role back to Windows 7?
>Janet
>
>
>From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mike B.<mailto:mb69mach1@...>
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steve Matzura<mailto:number6@...>
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
>Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
>operating environment in which to work.
>
>On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Hi David & Joe,
>>
>>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>>Sent from my iBarstool.
>>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>>
>>
>>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>>trouble.
>>
>>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>>before you start.
>>
>>From: Mike B.
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>>Sent from my iBarstool.
>>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>>
>>David Ferrin
>>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>>
>



Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Carlos
 

Yes, but the question was about rolling back/downgrading if Windows 10 is preinstalled, not dual boot configurations. And of course dual boot configurations are possible since I am running one myself.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


You can't roll back, but you *can* have both in a dual-boot setup.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:40:56 -0400, you wrote:

No, not if Windows 10 is preinstalled.
----- Original Message -----
From: janet gross
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Hi Mike,

2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever! Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn't role back to Windows 7?

Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth. But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



Hi Steve,



If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience! LOL Well, it didn't stay
out of
>the box very long! They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10,
&
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went! LOL
>Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have
any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just
did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some
help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience. I know I'll need to
get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with
necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to
do
>first? Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay
them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started? Anyways, if y'all would please
give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much.
>Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>





Re: Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Jaffar Sidek
 

I can't see any reason why he should view his post as copyrighted material because he has given a solution which is already in existence, not his original material.  If anything, Freedom scientific should be the one banging the anziety drums.  Just a pain in the bum?  Cheers!


On 6/7/2017 9:34 PM, Carlos wrote:
I can't even wrap my brain around his kind of mentality.  I've never thought of this as a competition.  Of course it's always nice when people are appreciative or give thanks, but providing free support on mailing lists is hardly a road to fame or success.  And technical knowledge is certainly not any indication of superiority.  We all put our pants on one leg at a time in the morning.  Unless you're extremely limber and flexible that is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Also, I ssuspect many laptops don't have this key or if they provide the same functionality, it is by using two keys such as fn and something else.  Thus, your solution is probably far more broadly applicable. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Concern for copyright infringement was clearly not the motivation for his request.  What is there to copyright?  He provided a basic key remapping solution which he may or may not have even originated.  It's not as if he reinvented the wheel.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

You may give him the benefit of the doubt if you like but he is condescending, threatened by other knowledgeable users, constantly finds fault or nitpicks at others messages to show that he has superior knowledge, and his attitudes and behavior caused a lot of havoc on the Blindtech list awhile ago.  He doesn't care if his messages are copyrighted.  He just wants the glory of people knowing that he knew an answer. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

Hi all,

I don't know the gentleman at all, Carlos, and you may have good reason
to complain about his arrogance et al.  However, since I don't know
him, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Apparently, he is
conscious of the fact that his posts are copyrighted, as per U.S.
copyright law.  He is asking that you cite his post properly.  this
might seem arrogant because none of us do this.  He is, however, within
his rights to do so.

Citing information properly is one of those things which is ignored
most of the time by list members all over the Net.  However, it is the
ultimate rationale behind the prohibition against cross-posting.  The
right thing to do, if you find something on a list which isn't an
announcement and isn't meant for wide distribution is to ask permission
before reposting it.  Do people do this?  No, they don't but they
should.  Is anyone caught and fined or arrested for violation of
copyright law referring to Internet postings, no.  It's usually too
small a violation and just goes under the radar.

ICORS makes particular note of copyright law when applied to list
postings in its rules and regs.  We who've been listowners for St.
Johns University's SJUVM and later with ICORS are familiar with the
copyright regs.

Now, This Free Tech guy may or may not be arrogant, as I say, I don't
know him, but the copyright laws are a fact.  He just may be particular
about his own posts.  Anal, probably, arrogant, maybe.

It is good info, though.  I've saved it.  Have a great day all.

Ann P.

Original message:
> Sigh. Arrogant and obnoxious as usual. He can't possibly offer a
> solution without insisting you announce to the world that it was
> provided by him LOL.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:24 AM
> Subject: [TechTalk] Saying System Time & Date With JAWS 1 Handed

> Hi All,
> I received the following set of steps off list from Joseph Free Tech
> for using 1 key to tell time & date. This looks like a very good
> approach for the 1 handed typists.
> Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
> the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Freetech <mailto:joseph.freetech@...>
> To: mb69mach1@... <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 6:47 PM
> Subject: Saying system time with JAWS
> Hi Mike,

> Regarding your JAWS SayTime and date question...

> I'll provide the following solution with the condition that you convey to
> others that it was Joseph Freetech who provided the solution. :)

> I have been suggesting this solution to others for a few years now, and I've
> never heard any complaints, in fact, I've heard amazement after the person
> presses the hotkey. In the instructions below you will be configuring the
> PauseBreak key to act as the Insert+F12 key. There is absolutely no need for
> modifying scripts--you're simply adding an additional keyboard assignment,
> which should not get in your way whatsoever--unless the person is using the
> PauseBreak key for something else.

> You will be modifying the JAWS keyboard manager.
> 1. Press JawsKey+8 (on the numrow) to open the JAWS Keyboard Manager.
> 2. Press ControlShift+D to open the default keyboard manager.
> 3. Tab to show the list of all keyboard assignments.
> 4. quickly type the following letters until you find the following script:
> SaySystemTime.
> 5. Press Control+A to activate the following item: add keystroke.
> 6. Press the PauseBreak key then tab to Ok and press enter.
> Note: on a normal 104 key external keyboard, the PauseBreak key is the third
> key on the 3-pack of keys to the top right of most standard keyboards. If
> you can't find it, turn on the JAWS help to locate this key.
> Note: use the JAWS cursor and read the entire screen to insure you have
> assigned the PauseBreak key and no other key.
> 7. After pressing on Ok, you will be asked by JAWS if you are certain you
> want to modify the JAWS keyboard manager, so simply press enter on Yes.
> 8. Press the PauseBreak once, and you should hear the time. Press the
> PauseBreak key twice quickly within half a second of time, and you should
> hear the date.
> Note: this also works on laptops, though it might be a little harder to find
> the PauseBreak key if you don't have sighted help.

> Please let me know if you have any difficulties with this process. :)

> Joseph the free tech guy!
> All are welcome to write me off list if absolutely any help is needed
> joseph.freetech@... <mailto:joseph.freetech@...>


>

--
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Portal Tutoring
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Re: Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA

Monica Jones
 

Will this work with windows seven?
 
 

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:46 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA
 

Hi all,

Here is a short comprehensive text tutorial on using the Google Chrome Browser

JAWS and NVDA both work exactly the same for me, when using this browser.

Remember, only NVDA works in Edge in that tutorial.

On each line, I tell you what my computer says as I take you through the Chrome menu, and the important Settings web page. This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, but easier to navigate.

I hope you give me a lot of feedback.

Here is the tutorial right below!

Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser

By David Moore

This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.

I will also use JAWS 18 and NVDA 2017.2for this tutorial, because they both work the same in Chrome.

Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.

I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.

There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

First, I will launch Chrome. We will not create a home page until we get to the Chrome settings web page.

This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, or the Options dialog in IE.

Pressing the Alt key, opens the one and only, Chrome menu, with many choices that I will arrow down through.

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.

I will press the Alt key.

The Chrome menu is open.

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

New Tab, CTRL+T.

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

New Window, CTRL+N

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.

New incognito Window.

History sub menu.

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

History, CTRL+H

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

Downloads, CTRL+J

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

I will press right arrow, to open this.

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.

Here is the important one.

manage bookmarks

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

That is all for manage bookmarks.

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

Very important!

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

The next few are very self explanatory.

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

I will press right arrow on this.

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

Next, Save to desktop.

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

They are called Extensions in Chrome.

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.

First, on this page, there is an edit field to search for a setting to change

You can simply press enter to get into forms mode with JAWS or focus mode with NVDA, and sign into Chrome with your email and password associated with your Google Account.

This is very accessible now; a year ago, it was not.

Now, you can press enter on sync.

There is a combo box here, and I chose to sync everything that I bookmark and my history in Chrome to all devices. I can get on another computer, and all of my bookmarks are on that second computer, for example. That is very powerful.

You can import bookmarks and settings here, just like you could under the Bookmarks sub menu.

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.

Now, under the appearance heading, You first have themes, which I did nothing with.

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.

Show Home, Here is where you can see what you set your home page to.

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.

Now, go to the search engin heading.

This is a heading.

There are headings on this settings page.

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

The next heading, is on start up.

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

There are three radio buttons here.

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

Next, I was able to enter:

www.Google.Com.

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

Next, you get to the heading advanced settings.

You have to press enter on this, to open it up, because it is collapsed.

As soon as you press enter, you down arrow to:

Privacy and settings heading.

Each of these buttons, say clickable.

Here, press enter to check, or to uncheck.

When you press enter, you will hear JAWS go into forms mode and NVDA go into focus mode, so just press enter again. So really, you press enter twice to check, or enter twice to uncheck.

Next, there is:

Passwords and forms heading

Press enter twice here on each clickable button to check or to uncheck.

Languages, I do nothing with that.

Downloads.

This is where you set where you want your downloads to go, and you can set whether you want to be prompted each time you download something.

I definitely want the prompt.

I do nothing with the Printing or accessibility headings.

The System heading, you can turn on or off open proxy settings.

Lastly, there is the reset heading, with a button to enter on that will reset Chrome back to its default settings.

That is it for settings.

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

Now, just press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of this settings page, and go back to Google Chrome. The settings page, opens in a new tab in Chrome, that is why you can press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of it.

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.

This is the end of the tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Carlos's Win7PE

David Ferrin <dpf.1996@...>
 

I used the version for windows 10 this afternoon and it picked up my external sound card without a problem at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE

An external sound card is definitely worth a try. I'll see if the
client has one. But I'm doubtful. Will report back.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 16:32:12 -0500, you wrote:

do you have an external sound card or headphones? They should work if the internal device requires a driver it can't find. USB sound cards or headphones usually play even if their software isn't installed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


What version of Windows 7 on the Dell? SP1, but I don't know what
patch date. ON the Gigabyte machine, everything up-to-date.

I'm thinking maybe the Dell boot was successful, but for whatever
reason there's no audio. I will have to get some visually-oriented
assistance to find out what's really happening. There is, of course,
the possibility that the disk did NOT boot because the boot device
order needs changing. That machine's CD/DVD drive is so quiet, you
practically need a stethoscope to hear it turn! LOL.

The Gigabyte machine is another matter. The owner has useful vision,
which is how I know about the four passes and the green screen flash.
That one's the real mystery.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:09:45 -0400, you wrote:

What version of Windows were the two machines running? For the record,
Win7PE works on both my Dell XPS 8700 and my old custom built Gigabyte based
system with no special modifications or drivers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


Carlos:

I've been using this great tool for, well, I forget exactly how long,
but a long long time. The other day, I ran into the very first pair of
machines on which the expanded ISO would not boot. One is a Dell
Inspiron, which may be the reason why, since Dell machines are
notorious for requiring their own drivers for *EVERYTHING*, but the
other was a homebrew, Gigabyte motherboard, Realtek AC97 audio chip
onboard, etc. The Dell machine is probably going to wind up being a
non-starter, but the Gigabyte machine should have worked. The burned
DVD definitely did something--the screen displayed the "loading files"
message, and a progress bar ran for what appeared to be four passes. I
think it was in the middle of the fourth pass, the screen flashed a
bright green, the progress bar filled to 100%, then everything
stopped. Any thoughts on this, or is it just not worth pursuing and
using the Windows 10 PE to do stuff like run the Terabyte Drive Image
Backup and Restore Suite (a.k.a. Image for Windows) which was the
original intent of using the Win7PE?






Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Steve Matzura
 

You can't roll back, but you *can* have both in a dual-boot setup.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:40:56 -0400, you wrote:

No, not if Windows 10 is preinstalled.
----- Original Message -----
From: janet gross
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Hi Mike,

2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever! Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn’t role back to Windows 7?

Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth. But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



Hi Steve,



If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience



Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience! LOL Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long! They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went! LOL
>Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience. I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first? Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started? Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much.
>Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>





Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Steve Matzura
 

That's not technically true. If Windows 10 is installed as the first
partition, meaning it's a UEFI boot on a GPT drive, Windows 7 can be
added as a second partition. I've seen it done twice in four months. I
was thinking of doing it on my own systems, but I'm too lazy to
slipstream the updates, either with NTLite or any other way (including
DISM), and now I've gotten comfortable enough with Windows 10 for it
not to matter any more, so I dropped the whole plan.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:38:53 +0000, you wrote:

Hi Mike,
2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever! Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn’t role back to Windows 7?
Janet


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth. But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.<mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi Steve,

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Matzura<mailto:number6@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

Hi David & Joe,

An update to my out of the box experience! LOL Well, it didn't stay out of
the box very long! They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
not Windows 7, so back into the box it went! LOL
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
trouble.

I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
before you start.

From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi All,

I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
& reminders about the out of the box experience. I know I'll need to get
started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
first? Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started? Anyways, if y'all would please give me
the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Steve Matzura
 

Yeah, I get that.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:53:12 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Steve,

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it
wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Matzura
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

Hi David & Joe,

An update to my out of the box experience! LOL Well, it didn't stay out
of
the box very long! They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
not Windows 7, so back into the box it went! LOL
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience


Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
trouble.

I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
before you start.

From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi All,

I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
& reminders about the out of the box experience. I know I'll need to get
started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
first? Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started? Anyways, if y'all would please give
me
the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much.
Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Steve Matzura
 

Right! But thanks to the good and frugal folks at Apple, that's not
yet possible to do accessibly! Ain't life wunnerful!

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 17:29:39 -0400, you wrote:

Exactly. You have no idea how many times I have attempted to assist friends
over the phone and could never be sure that they were following my
instructions precisely. Sometimes it is just easier and faster to connect
to the machine and do it yourself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Ouch!

Patience has little or nothing to do with it when, despite repeating
and confirming even the simplest of instructions, a procedure does not
work for the remote client. If it's something the remote customer must
learn before proceeding to learning the next skill or starting the
next task, what would you do? This question may sound provocative, but
I mean it with the best of intentions, because I am having this very
problem with a remote Mac student. Everything I tell the student to do
blows up in our faces. They swear up and down they are pressing the
keys I am telling them to press, but absolutely nothing works. If I
screen-share with them and press those keys on my end, they hear what
I tell them they should expect to hear (when VoiceOver is behaving,
that is, which is does not often do during a screen-share). It's
disheartening for the client, and frustrating for the trainer, and it
is no confidence-builder for either.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:28:34 -0500, you wrote:

It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via
remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may
not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially
when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there
would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you
can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of
this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and
assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide
technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give
one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their
Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the
old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just
remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and
actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case
since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My
thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any
kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give
them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're
wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can
definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're
interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature.
I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice.
Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac.
Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way.
They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access
for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a
big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone
other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a
good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one
quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what
is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the
choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen
reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers
to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book
pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at
awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often,
especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not
advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that
if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change
it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a
very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can
control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they
can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they
want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting
one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get
stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of
those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have
an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there.
Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good
thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer
to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost
every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What
incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature?
VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're
stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that
out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely
do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of
search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like
this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a
solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...>
wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...























Re: Carlos's Win7PE

Steve Matzura
 

Hey Carlos, that's a good gotcha to know about! How silly of them, ya
think?

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 17:35:06 -0400, you wrote:

That information even translates to Win7PE. Although not Win10PE because the developers wouldn't put the effort into including support for USB audio.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


do you have an external sound card or headphones? They should work if the internal device requires a driver it can't find. USB sound cards or headphones usually play even if their software isn't installed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


What version of Windows 7 on the Dell? SP1, but I don't know what
patch date. ON the Gigabyte machine, everything up-to-date.

I'm thinking maybe the Dell boot was successful, but for whatever
reason there's no audio. I will have to get some visually-oriented
assistance to find out what's really happening. There is, of course,
the possibility that the disk did NOT boot because the boot device
order needs changing. That machine's CD/DVD drive is so quiet, you
practically need a stethoscope to hear it turn! LOL.

The Gigabyte machine is another matter. The owner has useful vision,
which is how I know about the four passes and the green screen flash.
That one's the real mystery.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:09:45 -0400, you wrote:

>What version of Windows were the two machines running? For the record,
>Win7PE works on both my Dell XPS 8700 and my old custom built Gigabyte based
>system with no special modifications or drivers.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
>To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:01 AM
>Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE
>
>
>Carlos:
>
>I've been using this great tool for, well, I forget exactly how long,
>but a long long time. The other day, I ran into the very first pair of
>machines on which the expanded ISO would not boot. One is a Dell
>Inspiron, which may be the reason why, since Dell machines are
>notorious for requiring their own drivers for *EVERYTHING*, but the
>other was a homebrew, Gigabyte motherboard, Realtek AC97 audio chip
>onboard, etc. The Dell machine is probably going to wind up being a
>non-starter, but the Gigabyte machine should have worked. The burned
>DVD definitely did something--the screen displayed the "loading files"
>message, and a progress bar ran for what appeared to be four passes. I
>think it was in the middle of the fourth pass, the screen flashed a
>bright green, the progress bar filled to 100%, then everything
>stopped. Any thoughts on this, or is it just not worth pursuing and
>using the Windows 10 PE to do stuff like run the Terabyte Drive Image
>Backup and Restore Suite (a.k.a. Image for Windows) which was the
>original intent of using the Win7PE?
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Carlos's Win7PE

Steve Matzura
 

An external sound card is definitely worth a try. I'll see if the
client has one. But I'm doubtful. Will report back.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 16:32:12 -0500, you wrote:

do you have an external sound card or headphones? They should work if the internal device requires a driver it can't find. USB sound cards or headphones usually play even if their software isn't installed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


What version of Windows 7 on the Dell? SP1, but I don't know what
patch date. ON the Gigabyte machine, everything up-to-date.

I'm thinking maybe the Dell boot was successful, but for whatever
reason there's no audio. I will have to get some visually-oriented
assistance to find out what's really happening. There is, of course,
the possibility that the disk did NOT boot because the boot device
order needs changing. That machine's CD/DVD drive is so quiet, you
practically need a stethoscope to hear it turn! LOL.

The Gigabyte machine is another matter. The owner has useful vision,
which is how I know about the four passes and the green screen flash.
That one's the real mystery.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:09:45 -0400, you wrote:

What version of Windows were the two machines running? For the record,
Win7PE works on both my Dell XPS 8700 and my old custom built Gigabyte based
system with no special modifications or drivers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos's Win7PE


Carlos:

I've been using this great tool for, well, I forget exactly how long,
but a long long time. The other day, I ran into the very first pair of
machines on which the expanded ISO would not boot. One is a Dell
Inspiron, which may be the reason why, since Dell machines are
notorious for requiring their own drivers for *EVERYTHING*, but the
other was a homebrew, Gigabyte motherboard, Realtek AC97 audio chip
onboard, etc. The Dell machine is probably going to wind up being a
non-starter, but the Gigabyte machine should have worked. The burned
DVD definitely did something--the screen displayed the "loading files"
message, and a progress bar ran for what appeared to be four passes. I
think it was in the middle of the fourth pass, the screen flashed a
bright green, the progress bar filled to 100%, then everything
stopped. Any thoughts on this, or is it just not worth pursuing and
using the Windows 10 PE to do stuff like run the Terabyte Drive Image
Backup and Restore Suite (a.k.a. Image for Windows) which was the
original intent of using the Win7PE?






Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Loy
 

You can do a dual boot with Win 7 and Win 10 here is a link on how to do this.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi Steve,
 
If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>



Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Janet
 

Hi Carlos,

Thank you!  One needs to be for certain before they obtain Windows 10 rather they purchase or download it.  This is good to know! 

Janet  

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

No, not if Windows 10 is preinstalled.

----- Original Message -----

From: janet gross

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Hi Mike,

2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever!  Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn’t role back to Windows 7?

Janet

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Hi Steve,

 

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>


Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi all,

Here is a short comprehensive text tutorial on using the Google Chrome Browser.

JAWS and NVDA both work exactly the same for me, when using this browser.

Remember, only NVDA works in Edge in that tutorial.

On each line, I tell you what my computer says as I take you through the Chrome menu, and the important Settings web page. This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, but easier to navigate.

I hope you give me a lot of feedback.

Here is the tutorial right below!

Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser

By David Moore

This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.

I will also use JAWS 18 and NVDA 2017.2for this tutorial, because they both work the same in Chrome.

Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.

I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.

There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

First, I will launch Chrome. We will not create a home page until we get to the Chrome settings web page.

This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, or the Options dialog in IE.

Pressing the Alt key, opens the one and only, Chrome menu, with many choices that I will arrow down through.

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.

I will press the Alt key.

The Chrome menu is open.

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

New Tab, CTRL+T.

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

New Window, CTRL+N

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.

New incognito Window.

History sub menu.

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

History, CTRL+H

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

Downloads, CTRL+J

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

I will press right arrow, to open this.

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.

Here is the important one.

manage bookmarks

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

That is all for manage bookmarks.

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

Very important!

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

The next few are very self explanatory.

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

I will press right arrow on this.

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

Next, Save to desktop.

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

They are called Extensions in Chrome.

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.

First, on this page, there is an edit field to search for a setting to change.

You can simply press enter to get into forms mode with JAWS or focus mode with NVDA, and sign into Chrome with your email and password associated with your Google Account.

This is very accessible now; a year ago, it was not.

Now, you can press enter on sync.

There is a combo box here, and I chose to sync everything that I bookmark and my history in Chrome to all devices. I can get on another computer, and all of my bookmarks are on that second computer, for example. That is very powerful.

You can import bookmarks and settings here, just like you could under the Bookmarks sub menu.

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.

Now, under the appearance heading, You first have themes, which I did nothing with.

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.

Show Home, Here is where you can see what you set your home page to.

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.

Now, go to the search engin heading.

This is a heading.

There are headings on this settings page.

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

The next heading, is on start up.

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

There are three radio buttons here.

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

Next, I was able to enter:

www.Google.Com.

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

Next, you get to the heading advanced settings.

You have to press enter on this, to open it up, because it is collapsed.

As soon as you press enter, you down arrow to:

Privacy and settings heading.

Each of these buttons, say clickable.

Here, press enter to check, or to uncheck.

When you press enter, you will hear JAWS go into forms mode and NVDA go into focus mode, so just press enter again. So really, you press enter twice to check, or enter twice to uncheck.

Next, there is:

Passwords and forms heading.

Press enter twice here on each clickable button to check or to uncheck.

Languages, I do nothing with that.

Downloads.

This is where you set where you want your downloads to go, and you can set whether you want to be prompted each time you download something.

I definitely want the prompt.

I do nothing with the Printing or accessibility headings.

The System heading, you can turn on or off open proxy settings.

Lastly, there is the reset heading, with a button to enter on that will reset Chrome back to its default settings.

That is it for settings.

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

Now, just press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of this settings page, and go back to Google Chrome. The settings page, opens in a new tab in Chrome, that is why you can press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of it.

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.

This is the end of the tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Carlos
 

No, not if Windows 10 is preinstalled.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Hi Mike,

2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever!  Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn’t role back to Windows 7?

Janet

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Hi Steve,

 

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>


Re: Help With the Out of the Box Experience

Janet
 

Hi Mike,

2 Fully operating systems, pretty clever!  Am I correct in assuming if you had Windows 10, you couldn’t role back to Windows 7?

Janet

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

What I failed to mention is, by getting the computer with Windows 7 installed I could image the Windows 7 OS, upgrade to Windows 10, image it, & now I have 2 fully operational operating systems that I can switch bac & forth.  But, by having Windows 10 already installed I can't get Windows 7 unless I purchase the OS or key code separately.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Hi Steve,

 

If I wanted Windows 10, that's what I would have purchased, but since it wasn't what I purchased, back it went.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience

 

Aw, you should've kept it. Windows 10 is not the devil incarnate.
Needs a little taming and rearranging, yes, but it's not a bad
operating environment in which to work.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:43:52 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi David & Joe,
>
>An update to my out of the box experience!  LOL  Well, it didn't stay out of
>the box very long!  They sent me the wrong computer, it was Windows 10, &
>not Windows 7, so back into the box it went!  LOL
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ferrin via Groups.Io
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>
>Start Narrator and although it does take some time you should not have any
>trouble.
>
>I might just give you a call in a while to check your progress. I just did
>another windows 10 system on Monday the same way. Don't drink any coffee
>before you start.
>
>From: Mike B.
>Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:51 AM
>To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>Subject: [TechTalk] Help With the Out of the Box Experience
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'll be receiving a new Windows 7 64 bit Pro laptop today, & need some help
>& reminders about the out of the box experience.  I know I'll need to get
>started with Narrator, & I have a flashdrive all ready to go with necessary
>programs to install, but would y'all please remind me of what I need to do
>first?  Aren't there some screens that won't be read, & I need to okay them
>by pressing,Alt + Y, to get started?  Anyways, if y'all would please give me
>the get started steps it would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
>Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>Sent from my iBarstool.
>Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>David Ferrin
>Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
>