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Re: Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
 
I could of swore I changed those radio buttons, but apparently not to the correct 1!
The partition slection should be on:
Linked Check Boxes
 
I must have danced all around it, but never dosey deauxed right on it!  LOL  Thank you very much.  A statue shall be erected outside Vill Gates' house to honor your performance!  LOL 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Hi Mike,
 
I believe this is because you have the
"Simple Operations"
option enabled.  Select the
"Settings"
button and use the Spacebar to uncheck the
"Simple Operations"
item.  It should be the first item in the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Hi All,
 All computers being discussed are Windows 7 Pro 64 bit operating systems running Jaws 16 as the primary screen reader.  I hope I can explain this, & make sense.  I recently updated my Image for Windows to the latest 3.08 version.  When I wen to select the drive I wanted to backup    I wasn't given the 2 drives on separate lines to choose from.  I have one 1TB drive that I've partitioned into 2 drives, & they're labeled Drive C, & Drive H.  Below is what my selection option looks like.
 
Computer (Simple Operations Enabled)
 
Drive 0 [931.51 GiB] C: H: {WDC WD10EZEX-75M2NA0}
 
I tried left mouse clicking on the, C: drive, without success.  Could someone please explain how I can choose the C drive to backup, & choose the, H drive to backup to?  When I go to the area to select the drive the backup will go to, there aren't any drives in the list!
 
This only happened on the 2 computers that have partitioned drives, but with my computer that runs a SSD OS drive, & an HD data drive everything shows up as it should!  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Exactly Jeremy that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for helping me correct my so called silly email.

On Jul 6, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Do I want to question you? I really think you are barking up the wrong tree if you believe that I was concerned on whether or not you were being serious. I was more so interested in how you could have written such a silly response when it seemed to me that Carlos's response to you was quite clear.

You made the statement that you thought that he, or the list or whoever lacked patience at which point he pointed out that that might be in error do to the nature of this email list which was created to help people with technical problems. I can't quite understand how people here might be so impatient when this list has been such a huge help to a lot of people, in all the time I've been here. Perhaps you meant to say that some people tend to be impatient with some of the ignorance that a select few decide to show here, for which I would happily agree.

On 7/6/2017 8:39 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Jeremy, do you really want to question me? I wouldn't have said if I wasn't serious about it.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Seriously?
On 7/6/2017 8:09 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

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jhud7789@...
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2543007667
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On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

















Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Do I want to question you? I really think you are barking up the wrong tree if you believe that I was concerned on whether or not you were being serious. I was more so interested in how you could have written such a silly response when it seemed to me that Carlos's response to you was quite clear.

You made the statement that you thought that he, or the list or whoever lacked patience at which point he pointed out that that might be in error do to the nature of this email list which was created to help people with technical problems. I can't quite understand how people here might be so impatient when this list has been such a huge help to a lot of people, in all the time I've been here. Perhaps you meant to say that some people tend to be impatient with some of the ignorance that a select few decide to show here, for which I would happily agree.

On 7/6/2017 8:39 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Jeremy, do you really want to question me? I wouldn't have said if I wasn't serious about it.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Seriously?
On 7/6/2017 8:09 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...














Re: Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Carlos
 

Hi Mike,
 
I believe this is because you have the
"Simple Operations"
option enabled.  Select the
"Settings"
button and use the Spacebar to uncheck the
"Simple Operations"
item.  It should be the first item in the list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Hi All,
 All computers being discussed are Windows 7 Pro 64 bit operating systems running Jaws 16 as the primary screen reader.  I hope I can explain this, & make sense.  I recently updated my Image for Windows to the latest 3.08 version.  When I wen to select the drive I wanted to backup    I wasn't given the 2 drives on separate lines to choose from.  I have one 1TB drive that I've partitioned into 2 drives, & they're labeled Drive C, & Drive H.  Below is what my selection option looks like.
 
Computer (Simple Operations Enabled)
 
Drive 0 [931.51 GiB] C: H: {WDC WD10EZEX-75M2NA0}
 
I tried left mouse clicking on the, C: drive, without success.  Could someone please explain how I can choose the C drive to backup, & choose the, H drive to backup to?  When I go to the area to select the drive the backup will go to, there aren't any drives in the list!
 
This only happened on the 2 computers that have partitioned drives, but with my computer that runs a SSD OS drive, & an HD data drive everything shows up as it should!  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Jeremy, do you really want to question me? I wouldn't have said if I wasn't serious about it.

On Jul 6, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Seriously?
On 7/6/2017 8:09 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
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Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
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On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...



















Re: A Tutorial on Using the MS Edge Browser with NVDA

inamuddin khan <inamuddin09@...>
 

Respected David,

With your kind permission I’d like to add one very interesting thing in your tutorial that is how to reset MS edge to its original setting!

Open MS edge.

on address bar

type

About:config and press enter

 it will ask you if you want to set MS edge to its original flag or something like that!

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From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 3:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] A Tutorial on Using the MS Edge Browser with NVDA

 

Hi all,

I will paste right in this message, a very short, but very comprehensive tutoriall on using NVDA with the Microsoft Edge browser. I take you through the Alt+X menu, which is almost like the Chrome menu.

I then show you how to get to the Important Hub button, which opens up a five page dialog with favorites and downloads and so on.

On each line, I tell you what my computer says when I tab, down arrow, or anything else I do in Edge.

I am using the latest NVDA stable version of 2017.2

I am using the creators Win10 latest public build that we all have.

I also use the latest update of Joseph lee’s win10 assentials NVDA addon.

I hope you can give me a lot of feedback.

Here is the tutorial right below!

Tutorial for Microsoft Edge

By David Moore

I will write this tutorial using NVDA only. I found NVDA to work much better with Edge than with Narrator.

I am using the Latest stable version of NVDA 2017.2.

I am using the latest public build of Windows 10 Creators update.

If you are using anything different than that, you might get different results.

Step Number One:

Opening the Edge Browser:

Press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape, to open the start area. Next, type Edge and enter when NVDA announces it.

Press enter, and the Edge browser should open.

Step Number Two:

I pressed CTRL+L and entered:

www.freedomscientific.com

That is the site for Freedom Scientific.

The web site came up very quickly.

I can use all navigation keys for other browsers, and they all work.

Now, I will now press ALT+X to open a menu of choices. One of these choices is settings.

I will now assign a home page to open everytime I launch the Edge browser.

I will make my home page:

www.google.com

Press enter on Settings.

Next, start tabbing, and you will hear:

change my default button, Choose a theme, Next, there is a combo box where you can choose open Edge with a certain page or pages.

This is the choice I will choose in this combo box. I just entered on that choice, and the combo box closed.

Next, there is an edit box where I typed:

www.google.com

My home page is now set.

Tab again, and you can delete that home page, add button where you can enter other home pages, Open new tabs with :

This is another combo box where I choose blank page.

Tab again, and you hear import from another browser. You can import all book marks from all other browsers you use.

Show the favorites bar, mine is not checked. I do not want my favorites to show on the screen for all to see LOL!

Next, choose what to clear button. Pressing enter on this, allows you to choose where you want to clear such as browsing history, and that. You can also choose whether this should be cleared every time you close the Edge browser.

Tab, and I hear my MS email, and it is a link.

Tab, and you hear sinc your favorites and book lists. You can sink all of these across all of your devices.

I am just tabbing through the settings dialog. That is it.

Tab, and you hear sync device settings. Next, you hear advanced settings.

Go ahead and enter on the advanced settings. There is a lot you can customise here.

First, block popups, you can check or uncheck.

Next, I hear Use adobe flash player, and it is checked.

Next, open sites in apps, and it is checked.

Next, choose what sites open in apps. I am not sure what this is all about. It sounds powerfful.

Next, I hear change button, not sure what that is.

Ask me what to do with each download, and that is check for me.

Open proxy settings.

Manage button.

Learn more link.

Offer to save ppasswords, and mine is checked.

Manage passwords button.

Save form entries, and mine is checked.

Do not track requests, and mine is unchecked.

Have cortana assist me in MS Edge, and mine is checked.

Change search  engin button. I entered on that, and a combo box came up, and I chose Google, and I pressed enter. Now, Google is my default search engin instead of bing.

Show site and search suggestions as I type, and mine is unchecked. If you want suggestions as you type, checked this.

Clear bing search history link.

This allows you to do just that.

Optamise web search results using the taskbar for screen readers. Mine is checked.

Cookies combo box, mine is set to do not block.

Let sites save protective media liscenses on my device, and mine is checked.

Use page prediction to speed up browsing, and mine is checked.

Help me to protect myself from melisious web sites and downloads using Windows Defender, and mine is checked.

Pin this pain button.

Next, back button.

If you change any of these advanced settings, you can tab to the back button to go back to where you were.

I entered on the back button, and I am back to the settings dialog where I was, when I pressed enter on advanced settings.

We are done with settings, and the advanced settings. You see, just by pressing enter on settings, we were able to simply tab through all of these settings, and press enter on the advanced settings, and customise Edge to your liking, just like you can in other browsers.

Settings was in the menu that comes up by pressing ALT+X. This menu of choices is a lot like the Chrome menu that you get by pressing the Alt key.

There are many choices in that ALT+X menu, that I encourage you to just arrow through, just like the Chrome menu. Important, I have to press Escape twice to get out of the settings or this menu to get back to my Freedom Scientific page that I have opened.

Now, I will use object navigation to show you how to get to the Hub.

The hub button, opens up five tabs. You can just press CTRL+Tab to tab through the choices of each of these five tabs. It is just like a multi page dialog.

Now, I will press CTRL+Home to get to the top of the Freedom Scientific web site that I have opened.

Next, I will press NVDA+Numpad 8, to go up to my parent objects.

I first hear the page I am on. Now, Pressing Numpad 6, takes me to the navigation bar. That is the only object to the right.

So, Now, hold NVDA, and press numpad 4 to go left through the objects.

You hear the page you are on, then, Next, pressing numpad 4, you hear settings and more. That is the exact menu that you get by pressing ALT+X. Pressing NVDA+Enter will open the same menu we were just in.

Important, I have to press NVDA+Enter to activate these buttons, because I am using object navigation to access these controls.

Press numpad 4 again,

I hear Share, then Make a web note, and Now, the important hub.

I will now press NVDA+Enter on this hub button, and I will get this five tab dialog I told you about.

I hear:

Favorites tab, 1 of 5. So here we are in our favorites.

If I tab twice, I can arrow up and down through my favorites. In a web site, just press CTRL+D to save a favorite.

Now, I will press CTRL+TAB to get to the next dialog.

Next, I hear reading list tab. I have nothing here. This is probably for books that you download with Edge from the store.

CTRL+TAB again:

I hear Get Books, sign in, and shop for books in the store! This is exciting.

The 4th tab, is my history. I can delete my history, and look at my history here.

The 5th and last tab, is my downloads tab. Here is where you come to view your downloads, and check on the status of a download in progress.

So, that is it for the HUB button.

I pressed Escape to get out of Hub. We are still in these parent objects. Press NVDA+Numpad 4 again from Hub, I hear Add to favorites or reading list. Very interesting about the reading list.

Next, I hear my Web Address in the Address bar.

Refresh button, back button, Show tab previews button, Still pressing NVDA+Numpad 4.

Now, New tab button, My Freedom Scientific button, and then, Set tabs aside. Lastly, show tabs you have set aside. and that is it.

So, all that I just told you about, I accessed by just pressing CTRL+Home to get to the top of my web page, Pressed NVDA+Numpad 8, then, I kept pressing Numpad 4 with NVDA key held down. The Hub, was just a five tab dialog.

All navigation commands work in Edge, just like in other Browsers. I was able to listen to the FS pod casts by pressing shift+enter on the one below the one I wanted to listen to. To listen to the first, I had to press shift+enter on the second one. That was interesting.

I always press shift+enter to have a link open in a new window, instead of a new tab. The FS casts from Freedom Scientific, played with my Adobe Flash player.

As you can see, you can do quite a bit with Edge, by using the Latest NVDA public version, and just Doing a little bit of object navigation, and the menu that opens by pressing Alt+X.

Please give me your feed back, and how much you hear what I hear when tabbing and the like.

That is all for this tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Seriously?

On 7/6/2017 8:09 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
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Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
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https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
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FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...
















Re: question for you all mac users out there

Carlos
 

Some issues can be resolved via phone or E-mail. And perhaps in your own personal experience most may have been resolved in this manner, but you can't speak for everyone else and I doubt you can provide any reliable statistics to support such a blanket statement as most.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Well let's say this, I'm not having to spend no more than two hours with with somebody fixing their technology. And I believe that she's a member of this list I'm really not for sure but Donna from California can vouch for that. I've helped her a few times with her iPhone. And if she's not a member of this list I know for a fact she's a member of lime tack so you might want to just ask her as too how quick I had some of her issues resolved. I will say, it was a matter of rocky days but we got through it and we got it done. So yes most issues can be resolved like that.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
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jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

The fact is that not everyone has hours to spend on the phone or sending E-mails. Certain things are demonstrated or resolved more easily via remote access by someone with greater experience.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...





















Re: time and date

Jaffar Sidek
 

yup sir! I got it figured out. the extended insert never enter my mind as an alternative Jaws key. That just shows that one can't know everything lol!

On 7/7/2017 8:44 AM, Carlos wrote:
Which Insert key are you using? The one on the numeric keypad or the extended Insert on the six pack? Extended Insert is fairly close to F12 so it's not that much of a stretch.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] time and date


How do you press Insert+F12 with one hand on a desktop keyboard? I can't do it without a stretch. Cheers!


On 6/7/2017 10:34 PM, Carlos wrote:
I always use one hand to check the time/date with Insert+F12. I suppose it would be different on a laptop where you might be forced to use the CapsLock key as a modifier, but in that case you could for example remap the time/date script to use F1 instead. In either case, pressing a shortcut will always be faster and more efficient.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" <peter.a.spitz@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] time and date


Yes, but I thought we were talking about doing this one handed and it
seems easier to just tab and press if you only have one hand.

On 7/6/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Why do you do it the hard way instead of using the screen-reader command?
Also, you aren't moving to the system tray efficiently. The Windows
shortcut to move to the system tray is Windows key b. You may well already
know this and find it inconvenient to use because of your keyboard layout,
but that's the most efficient way to get to the system tray.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Wohlgamuth
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] time and date


Hi there!

When I want the time or date or both, I simply tab to the notification area
and arrow up twice, and there it is. It may be a bit different on other
systems but that is how it is done on mine. Just a bit of info! Catch Ya
Later! de

<KF8LT><Jim>.








Re: question for you all mac users out there

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hello Steve, I'm sorry that you're having such a awful experience with your person teaching them iMac command. I would love to assist and see what the issue might be. Because some times people go in and modify keystrokes bed allow certain keys to do certain things. Which may have been what you have done, or the client has done on their end. I would have to work which is both on such issue. And I would not mind. So if you wish to get in touch with me please use the information below so that I can add or assist you. Because I can't guarantee, that I will be associated with the tech talk group much longer due to this flare up of communication. So therefore, if anybody wants my assistance please take down my phone number or my email address or my Facebook page what you can find below in my signature and get in touch that way if you wish. Or even my Twitter page for that matter.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:

Ouch!

Patience has little or nothing to do with it when, despite repeating
and confirming even the simplest of instructions, a procedure does not
work for the remote client. If it's something the remote customer must
learn before proceeding to learning the next skill or starting the
next task, what would you do? This question may sound provocative, but
I mean it with the best of intentions, because I am having this very
problem with a remote Mac student. Everything I tell the student to do
blows up in our faces. They swear up and down they are pressing the
keys I am telling them to press, but absolutely nothing works. If I
screen-share with them and press those keys on my end, they hear what
I tell them they should expect to hear (when VoiceOver is behaving,
that is, which is does not often do during a screen-share). It's
disheartening for the client, and frustrating for the trainer, and it
is no confidence-builder for either.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:28:34 -0500, you wrote:

It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're
wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...



















Re: question for you all mac users out there

Carlos
 

I did not misunderstand you at all. My response was not related to phone or E-mail support. You stated quote unquote, "It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have." which is the message to which I replied and most certainly does sound condescending. Furthermore, you stated an opinion. That does not qualify as factual so I'm not quite sure what this truth is that we supposedly cannot handle.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...





















Image for Windows, Creating An Image

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 All computers being discussed are Windows 7 Pro 64 bit operating systems running Jaws 16 as the primary screen reader.  I hope I can explain this, & make sense.  I recently updated my Image for Windows to the latest 3.08 version.  When I wen to select the drive I wanted to backup    I wasn't given the 2 drives on separate lines to choose from.  I have one 1TB drive that I've partitioned into 2 drives, & they're labeled Drive C, & Drive H.  Below is what my selection option looks like.
 
Computer (Simple Operations Enabled)
 
Drive 0 [931.51 GiB] C: H: {WDC WD10EZEX-75M2NA0}
 
I tried left mouse clicking on the, C: drive, without success.  Could someone please explain how I can choose the C drive to backup, & choose the, H drive to backup to?  When I go to the area to select the drive the backup will go to, there aren't any drives in the list!
 
This only happened on the 2 computers that have partitioned drives, but with my computer that runs a SSD OS drive, & an HD data drive everything shows up as it should!  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: question for you all mac users out there

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Well let's say this, I'm not having to spend no more than two hours with with somebody fixing their technology. And I believe that she's a member of this list I'm really not for sure but Donna from California can vouch for that. I've helped her a few times with her iPhone. And if she's not a member of this list I know for a fact she's a member of lime tack so you might want to just ask her as too how quick I had some of her issues resolved. I will say, it was a matter of rocky days but we got through it and we got it done. So yes most issues can be resolved like that.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

The fact is that not everyone has hours to spend on the phone or sending E-mails. Certain things are demonstrated or resolved more easily via remote access by someone with greater experience.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...





















Re: question for you all mac users out there

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Yes, you're incorrectly. But I was referring to giving like one-on-one telephone support. I wasn't referring to answering the hundreds of different email questions. So why don't you read my below message first all the way through before responding the way you did. I think I must run away and disappear. And if anybody wishes to get in touch with me you can use any of the information below ass I've already previously stated. Because that is one thing I will not tolerate being called the condescending. I'm not condescending whatsoever. I was just stating TruFax. And that's apparently something that that this group cannot handle.

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL this is essentially a free technical support list where we answer hundreds of questions every week, but we have no patience? Don't be so condescending.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...





















Re: question for you all mac users out there

Jaffar Sidek
 

This, Carlos, i would readily agree with you.

On 7/7/2017 4:37 AM, Carlos wrote:
The fact is that not everyone has hours to spend on the phone or sending E-mails. Certain things are demonstrated or resolved more easily via remote access by someone with greater experience.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


It just takes patience, which is apparently some of you don't have.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Technical support via E-mail or the phone is not the same as support via remote access. If a person has little or no technical aptitude, they may not always be able to follow complex instructions very well, especially when dealing with more advanced issues. If it were that simple, there would be no need for such a thing as remote support.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7789@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there


Alright man, now you're buy enough a bigger issue then probably what you can chew off. LOL. Smiles! Now let me get down to the nitty-gritty of this and hopefully this will provide you with a little bit more help and assistance for this friend/individual. Anybody who owns a Mac can provide technical assistance to one that has a Mac. For instance myself, I give one-on-one support everyday two people that are needing help with their Mac. And I either walk to doing instructions, via email or the old-fashioned telephone if they're so interested. All and let me just remind you, that my services are free and less I have to come and actually work with the person. Which is never ever had to be the case since I've started doing such services which is a blessing for them. My thingies is giving back to the community, so if they're looking for any kind of technical support, please feel free send them my way I will give them as much knowledge as I possibly can. It also depends on what they're wanting to do with the Mac and all that kind of good stuff too. So we can definitely get the ball rolling in that department. So if they're interested, please give them my information which is below in my signature. I will definitely be looking to hear from either you or them your choice. Having a tandem session, is not always necessary or needed with the Mac. Most blind people can comprehend keystrokes in order to get the job done
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Well this is not about windows versa Mac or did I intend to go that way. They both have their place. It is about having accessible remote access for the blind. As a person who might consider the Mac to me this is a big deal when getting tech support or training on the mac from someone other than a sited user from Apple. That is my point.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Well, VoiceOver is solid enough, well built and well interfaced with a good enough quality sound, and sometimes you know, having just one quality product can make life so much easier then having to choose what is right for one's nheeds because let's face it, however many the choices are, one cannot determine which is best because one screen reader, for example, serves better in certain areas and not others.
Which is why, for example, most of us on windows have two screen readers to make up for one or the other's quirks. I have not known my Mac book pro to Hang or have blue screens while in use, or Voiceover glitching at awkward moments, while windows screen readers tend to lag more often, especially when something memory intensive is going on. I am not advocating that the Mac or VoiceOver is perfect, but it seems to me that if a product can fulfill most needs in it's eco system, then why change it by having another product just for competition sake? Cheers!


On 5/7/2017 11:09 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Apple also now has the capability to view one's screen and they do a very good job at it. They can see what's on your screen, but they can control your device which I think is a good thing. With windows, they can actually bully take over the entire system. And do whatever they want with it. I think in Apple's case, they believed in respecting one's privacy and just letting you navigate the device yes, you can get stuck in but unlike Microsoft, who makes computers or HP or any of those companies, you can actually walk into an Apple store, if you have an issue going on with your computer and get it fixed right there. Whatever comes to Windows, you either have to would you think is a good thing. call somebody for assistance or take it to a third-party fixer to get it fixed. Not in the case of Apple products.
On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

This is what happens when there's no competition. Notice that almost every Windows screen reader has remote access functionality. What incentive does Apple have to include such a powerful feature? VoiceOver is the only screen reader available for the Mac and you're stuck with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, yeah you would think that there would be something like that out there but so far I don't believe that there is. I will definitely do some checking around and see if there are any Mac users that no of search capability and see if there is some ways to do something like this. I'll get back with you on Ted talk whenever I come back with a solution. As I'm sure that there are seriously needing such service.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Thanks . was asking for someone else. Just another reason for me not
to get a mac. You would think enough blind people would have
requested this from apple this feature.


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question for you all mac users out there

Hi Matt, no this is not possible. The only thing that you can do, if
share your screams somebody else through third party applications.
Such as zoom more even Skype. I hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@...
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Can you do a tendon on mac like you can on windows with jaws?
Another
words with VO?

Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@...





















Re: Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Or the Tech Talk hovel.

I prefer cult.
Heh heh.


Re: Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Carlos
 

Or the Tech Talk hovel.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Or the TechTalk lodge.


On 7/7/2017 1:03 AM, David Ferrin via Groups.Io wrote:
We can change the name from the tech talk list to the tech talk cult.
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Absolutely, a small temple might be nice as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Hi Carlos,
 
Your demand will be fulfilled to the fullest!  Would you like for me to provide personal information, so accolades can be provided privately as well as publicly?!  LOL 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
No problem Mike.  And I insist you inform everyone that the solution was provided by Carlos the Tech Talk guy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi Carlos,
 
Thank you very much for this.  I'm sure people will get good use from this handy set of steps.  I'll send this over to the Jaws-Users & JFW lists where the guy is looking for a solution to the child's problem.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Well, here are the instructions anyway in case you want to try this.
 
1. Press Insert+0 or CapsLock+0 depending on the keyboard layout to open the Script Manager.
 
2. Press Ctrl+Shift+D to open DEFAULT.JSS.
 
3. Press Control+F to open the
"Find"
dialog and either type or paste the following line to search for it:
 

Script SaySystemTime ()

 

Make sure to press Enter after typing in or pasting the above line.

 

4. Press Escape to close the

"Find"

dialog.

 

5. Arrow down until you find the following five lines:

 

If (IsSameScript ()) then

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

Else

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())

endIf

 

6. Place a semicolon at the beginning of each of the above lines to comment them out.  For example,

 

;If (IsSameScript ()) then

;Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

;Else

;Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())

;endIf

 

7. Immediately after the above five lines, press Enter to create a blank line.

 

8. Copy and paste the following text into the blank line:

 

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())+" "+FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

 

9. Press Ctrl+S to save/recompile the script.

 

10. Press Insert+F12 or CapsLock+F12 depending on the keyboard layout and see if it works.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
I managed to modify the JAWS time/date script to work the way you described so let me know if you want to give it a try.  I wish I could just send you the modified script, but it might not work correctly if we're not both running the exact same version of JAWS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi Mike,
I don't believe this is possible without modifying the default JAWS script.  I can take a look later when I have more time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:25 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi All,
 
Is there any way to modify the, Jaws key + F12, keystroke / script so that it will say both the time & date when press ing it just 1 time.  This is for a 1 handed child, & turning on Insert key mode only works for 1 press of the Insert / Jaws key, not if you need to press it twice to get the date.  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Jaffar Sidek
 

Or the TechTalk lodge.


On 7/7/2017 1:03 AM, David Ferrin via Groups.Io wrote:
We can change the name from the tech talk list to the tech talk cult.
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Absolutely, a small temple might be nice as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Hi Carlos,
 
Your demand will be fulfilled to the fullest!  Would you like for me to provide personal information, so accolades can be provided privately as well as publicly?!  LOL 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
No problem Mike.  And I insist you inform everyone that the solution was provided by Carlos the Tech Talk guy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi Carlos,
 
Thank you very much for this.  I'm sure people will get good use from this handy set of steps.  I'll send this over to the Jaws-Users & JFW lists where the guy is looking for a solution to the child's problem.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date

Well, here are the instructions anyway in case you want to try this.
 
1. Press Insert+0 or CapsLock+0 depending on the keyboard layout to open the Script Manager.
 
2. Press Ctrl+Shift+D to open DEFAULT.JSS.
 
3. Press Control+F to open the
"Find"
dialog and either type or paste the following line to search for it:
 

Script SaySystemTime ()

 

Make sure to press Enter after typing in or pasting the above line.

 

4. Press Escape to close the

"Find"

dialog.

 

5. Arrow down until you find the following five lines:

 

If (IsSameScript ()) then

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

Else

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())

endIf

 

6. Place a semicolon at the beginning of each of the above lines to comment them out.  For example,

 

;If (IsSameScript ()) then

;Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

;Else

;Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())

;endIf

 

7. Immediately after the above five lines, press Enter to create a blank line.

 

8. Copy and paste the following text into the blank line:

 

Let sTimeOrDate = FormatString (cmsgGetSysTime, SysGetTime ())+" "+FormatString (cmsgGetSysDate, SysGetDate ())

 

9. Press Ctrl+S to save/recompile the script.

 

10. Press Insert+F12 or CapsLock+F12 depending on the keyboard layout and see if it works.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
I managed to modify the JAWS time/date script to work the way you described so let me know if you want to give it a try.  I wish I could just send you the modified script, but it might not work correctly if we're not both running the exact same version of JAWS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi Mike,
I don't believe this is possible without modifying the default JAWS script.  I can take a look later when I have more time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:25 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws Reporting Time & Date
 
Hi All,
 
Is there any way to modify the, Jaws key + F12, keystroke / script so that it will say both the time & date when press ing it just 1 time.  This is for a 1 handed child, & turning on Insert key mode only works for 1 press of the Insert / Jaws key, not if you need to press it twice to get the date.  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.


Re: Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Monica,
 
Yes, it should.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA

Will this work with windows seven?
 
 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:46 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Text Tutorial on Using the Google Chrome Browser with JAWS and NVDA
 

Hi all,

Here is a short comprehensive text tutorial on using the Google Chrome Browser

JAWS and NVDA both work exactly the same for me, when using this browser.

Remember, only NVDA works in Edge in that tutorial.

On each line, I tell you what my computer says as I take you through the Chrome menu, and the important Settings web page. This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, but easier to navigate.

I hope you give me a lot of feedback.

Here is the tutorial right below!

Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser

By David Moore

This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.

I will also use JAWS 18 and NVDA 2017.2for this tutorial, because they both work the same in Chrome.

Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.

I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.

There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

First, I will launch Chrome. We will not create a home page until we get to the Chrome settings web page.

This is a lot like the Options page in Firefox, or the Options dialog in IE.

Pressing the Alt key, opens the one and only, Chrome menu, with many choices that I will arrow down through.

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.

I will press the Alt key.

The Chrome menu is open.

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

New Tab, CTRL+T.

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

New Window, CTRL+N

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.

New incognito Window.

History sub menu.

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

History, CTRL+H

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

Downloads, CTRL+J

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

I will press right arrow, to open this.

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.

Here is the important one.

manage bookmarks

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

That is all for manage bookmarks.

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

Very important!

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

The next few are very self explanatory.

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

I will press right arrow on this.

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

Next, Save to desktop.

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

They are called Extensions in Chrome.

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.

First, on this page, there is an edit field to search for a setting to change

You can simply press enter to get into forms mode with JAWS or focus mode with NVDA, and sign into Chrome with your email and password associated with your Google Account.

This is very accessible now; a year ago, it was not.

Now, you can press enter on sync.

There is a combo box here, and I chose to sync everything that I bookmark and my history in Chrome to all devices. I can get on another computer, and all of my bookmarks are on that second computer, for example. That is very powerful.

You can import bookmarks and settings here, just like you could under the Bookmarks sub menu.

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.

Now, under the appearance heading, You first have themes, which I did nothing with.

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.

Show Home, Here is where you can see what you set your home page to.

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.

Now, go to the search engin heading.

This is a heading.

There are headings on this settings page.

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

The next heading, is on start up.

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

There are three radio buttons here.

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

Next, I was able to enter:

www.Google.Com.

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

Next, you get to the heading advanced settings.

You have to press enter on this, to open it up, because it is collapsed.

As soon as you press enter, you down arrow to:

Privacy and settings heading.

Each of these buttons, say clickable.

Here, press enter to check, or to uncheck.

When you press enter, you will hear JAWS go into forms mode and NVDA go into focus mode, so just press enter again. So really, you press enter twice to check, or enter twice to uncheck.

Next, there is:

Passwords and forms heading

Press enter twice here on each clickable button to check or to uncheck.

Languages, I do nothing with that.

Downloads.

This is where you set where you want your downloads to go, and you can set whether you want to be prompted each time you download something.

I definitely want the prompt.

I do nothing with the Printing or accessibility headings.

The System heading, you can turn on or off open proxy settings.

Lastly, there is the reset heading, with a button to enter on that will reset Chrome back to its default settings.

That is it for settings.

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

Now, just press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of this settings page, and go back to Google Chrome. The settings page, opens in a new tab in Chrome, that is why you can press CTRL+F4 or CTRL+W to get out of it.

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.

This is the end of the tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Updating flash

mcLeod stinnett
 

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From Mack I E 11 works so slow. try uninstalling flash for IE, and just keep a copy in another browser for the sites that need it. you will find that I E works a lot faster without it, and your screen reader will behave better, depending on the site.