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Re: cost of open book

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Better cameras that's why

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On September 12, 2017 6:00:15 PM "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I had one of the older nokia n86 phones with knfb on it. got it off ebay for maybe $200 or so. That was a good many years ago. I never could get very good results with it either. For some reason the android phones and iPhones seem to work lots better with knfb reader.



On 9/12/2017 5:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

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Re: cost of open book

Josh Kennedy
 

I had one of the older nokia n86 phones with knfb on it. got it off ebay for maybe $200 or so. That was a good many years ago. I never could get very good results with it either. For some reason the android phones and iPhones seem to work lots better with knfb reader.



On 9/12/2017 5:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Lenron
 

you can't say they won't ever use that space. I have a 64 gb IPhone
and I have ran out of space a couple times. Do you also forget some
people take lots of pictures and 4K video is a thing as well. Not
everyone wants to keep everything in the cloud. Also I see nothing
wrong with face id, I am happy with using a device that has touch id
for now but who knows I might not always feel this way.

On 9/12/17, Jeffrey Schwartz <jeffreyschwartz0238@...> wrote:
There are people on the net who buy them, do any repairs necessary and sell
them to people looking for a bargain. If I were in the market for an
Iphone, I would go to one of these sights and get the last version for a
huge savings. Most of the Iphone imnprovements are bogus. We will have
people standing in line to pay two hundred for facial recognition and more
space which they will never use.
Jeff
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to
trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as
newer models are released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.







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Re: cost of open book

Carlos
 


I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

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Re: cost of open book

Carlos
 


Part of the problem may also be your camera.  Feature phones often have less advanced/lower quality cameras than the ones included in most smart phones.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

There are people on the net who buy them, do any repairs necessary and sell
them to people looking for a bargain. If I were in the market for an
Iphone, I would go to one of these sights and get the last version for a
huge savings. Most of the Iphone imnprovements are bogus. We will have
people standing in line to pay two hundred for facial recognition and more
space which they will never use.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to
trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as
newer models are released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.
Re: cost of open book

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff 


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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I've seen my brother get a couple of
Samsung Galaxies for $200. One for himself and one for his girlfriend who
is on his plan.

That's the phone I have. Got it in 2015 and it still works great.
I found a driver/assistant last week and she has an eyephone. I told her I would have to start burning sage every time she came over here because, until she showed up, nothing Apple has ever oozed into my house. My house will now need purifying.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carlos
 

Right, but that's when being able to trade them in for newer models at a discounted price comes in handy. I've seen my brother get a couple of Samsung Galaxies for $200. One for himself and one for his girlfriend who is on his plan.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
If you don't have $700 to
spend out of pocket, then you don't have it. If you don't have $30000 to
spend for that new car, then you pay it off over a period of time despite
interest rates as most people do.

Yes but a car and/or a house can appreciate in value. Phones are outdated in three years lol.
Anyway I don't care one way or the other. This is just a fun discussion for me.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Cristóbal
 

Correction. Looks like the 256 model is $150 more. Either way, if you’re in for $700, then going the extra $150 for a much larger amount of storage is the more cost effective move. And again, beats the prices the 16 GB iPhones used to go for. They’ve in short lowered their prices, not by actually lowering the price, but scaling up what you get for the price points you’re used to paying by now.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

They start at $699.00 actually.  Back in the day the 16 GB model cost you $650.00 but now for $50 more, you can get 64 GB which used to be the max size and for $100 more, you can get four times the storage. Not to mention all the extra technology that is now included with these models. So yeah, try again.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

Remember how everyone was hoping that the price of an IPhone would eventually come down as manufacturing costs were reduced by economies of scale?  Well, guess what?  Just the opposite is happening.  Apple announced the much anticipated IPhone 8 today, and it willsell for $799.  And the new IPhone X, which features facial recognition will sell for a ridiculous $999.  But hey,all the Apple lovers on this list are probably just licking their chops to get their hands on one of them, even though they may have to go on a macaroni and cheese diet to afford one.

 

Gerald

 

 
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Pamela Dominguez
 

Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care, as long as they don't see the price all at once. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell provider.
Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and go on that canned tuna diet.




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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
If you don't have $700 to
spend out of pocket, then you don't have it. If you don't have $30000 to
spend for that new car, then you pay it off over a period of time despite
interest rates as most people do.

Yes but a car and/or a house can appreciate in value. Phones are outdated in three years lol.
Anyway I don't care one way or the other. This is just a fun discussion for me.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carlos
 

And the fact is that as with many expensive items, what is most cost effective is not necessarily most realistic. If you don't have $700 to spend out of pocket, then you don't have it. If you don't have $30000 to spend for that new car, then you pay it off over a period of time despite interest rates as most people do.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell provider.
Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and go on that canned tuna diet.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

I’m only enthused with Apple re the price of their stock which my wife has in her IRA.  I think that their products, save price, are good for the sighted.  My brother who is a no b.s. IT guy who has a pc and an I phone which for him is a pc in his pocket.  The new android phones seem as good to me, simply seeing friends use them

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

When are you going to get it through your head that many people, blind or otherwise, are not paying for the full price of an iPhone out of pocket?  No matter how many times it has been explained, you keep harping on this point.  Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell provider.  Not that I'm an Apple fan myself, but it makes no sense to stubbornly cling to a misconception which has been explained over and over.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:45 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

Remember how everyone was hoping that the price of an IPhone would eventually come down as manufacturing costs were reduced by economies of scale?  Well, guess what?  Just the opposite is happening.  Apple announced the much anticipated IPhone 8 today, and it willsell for $799.  And the new IPhone X, which features facial recognition will sell for a ridiculous $999.  But hey,all the Apple lovers on this list are probably just licking their chops to get their hands on one of them, even though they may have to go on a macaroni and cheese diet to afford one.

 

Gerald

 

 
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Cristóbal
 

Secondary market baby. Overseas or resold as refurbs or in bulk to corporate
or the government.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to
trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as
newer models are released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Cristóbal
 

They start at $699.00 actually.  Back in the day the 16 GB model cost you $650.00 but now for $50 more, you can get 64 GB which used to be the max size and for $100 more, you can get four times the storage. Not to mention all the extra technology that is now included with these models. So yeah, try again.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

Remember how everyone was hoping that the price of an IPhone would eventually come down as manufacturing costs were reduced by economies of scale?  Well, guess what?  Just the opposite is happening.  Apple announced the much anticipated IPhone 8 today, and it willsell for $799.  And the new IPhone X, which features facial recognition will sell for a ridiculous $999.  But hey,all the Apple lovers on this list are probably just licking their chops to get their hands on one of them, even though they may have to go on a macaroni and cheese diet to afford one.

 

Gerald

 

 
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to trade in
your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as newer models are
released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.
Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carlos
 

Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as newer models are released.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell provider.
Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and go on that canned tuna diet.
Feature phones.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Do any of you know where I can get a feature phone with GSM
capability, so that we can get Consumer Cellular service.
They have excellent plans and good service, but no text to
speech feature phones.

I called Amazon, and the guy looked but was unable to find
one. Would you believe that Maxi-Aids does not have any?
Independent Living says that they are getting one at the end
of the month that is, even reads the battery level, which my
CDMA LG does not. But, the thing would cost $299. So my
question is, where can I look please? I did check with
Accessible Electronics, because they have such excellent
service, but they do not have feature phones that have GSM,
only CDMA. I hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

Is there a way to contact LG or Samsung? I am not
understanding why this has to be like brain surgery. Thanks
for any help.

Best from,

Carolyn
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