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Re: problem with outlook.`

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Thanks Gene I’ll give it a try.  I love this group.  It is so responsive and has been very helpful using my new pc and software.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] problem with outlook.`

 

I doubt it.  I've seen such complaints with Outlook before. 

 

As far as dealing with the problem is concerned, if you open a message, then issue the read to end command, that will probably solve the problem.  But you may want to wait to see if others have suggestions for changing something in JAWS to correct the problem. 

 

I find that using commands at times causes screen-readers to perform much better in certain situations.  For example, on a web page, if I use the screen-reader's find command, using read current line when or shortly before the result is found, causes only the current line, the result, to be read and eliminates the reading of extraneous material.

When I am in the message list of my e-mail program and I delete a message, using read current line after the deletion causes the information to be read from the new message headers in the list.  It stops the reading of considerable extraneous and unnecessary information.

 

In one or more e-mail programs, using the read to end command when you guess a message has finished opening and is ready to be read eliminates extraneous text and causes the message to be read correctly.  You may have to experiment to determine the most efficient time to pause between opening a message and issuing the read to end command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:05 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] problem with outlook.`

 

When I hit enter on a message in my in box, jaws reads the to info and then the subject.  Then it skips to the number of links in the body of the message, skipping over the message itself.  I can almost always get to the message using the up arrow.  Could this be about my jaws verbosity settings. 

Jeff


Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

But whose program was it?  Was it yours or your employers? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

I had open book before I retired It belonged to my employer and the pc was saved for the next blind person to be hired.  If I knew about all this I would have saved the serial nember

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I have never been charged more than 150 dollars and that includes my upgrade from 7 to 9.  The price of an upgrade may have gone up to 300 dollars after I upgraded.  I upgraded soon after version 9 came out.  If it's 300 dollars, and you want to use a reading program, upgrading would be worth considering.  I have no idea how capable the JAWS OCR ability is in the beta.  You may want to wait and see before doing anything. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

Jeff, $1000 is the cost of Open Book if you are purchasing it for the first time.  But if you purchased it in the past and have the serial number, the cost to upgrade it is only $300.  When I upgraded from Open Book 7 to Open Book 9, that’s what VFO charged me.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


Re: problem with outlook.`

Gene
 

I doubt it.  I've seen such complaints with Outlook before. 
 
As far as dealing with the problem is concerned, if you open a message, then issue the read to end command, that will probably solve the problem.  But you may want to wait to see if others have suggestions for changing something in JAWS to correct the problem. 
 
I find that using commands at times causes screen-readers to perform much better in certain situations.  For example, on a web page, if I use the screen-reader's find command, using read current line when or shortly before the result is found, causes only the current line, the result, to be read and eliminates the reading of extraneous material.
When I am in the message list of my e-mail program and I delete a message, using read current line after the deletion causes the information to be read from the new message headers in the list.  It stops the reading of considerable extraneous and unnecessary information.
 
In one or more e-mail programs, using the read to end command when you guess a message has finished opening and is ready to be read eliminates extraneous text and causes the message to be read correctly.  You may have to experiment to determine the most efficient time to pause between opening a message and issuing the read to end command.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] problem with outlook.`

When I hit enter on a message in my in box, jaws reads the to info and then the subject.  Then it skips to the number of links in the body of the message, skipping over the message itself.  I can almost always get to the message using the up arrow.  Could this be about my jaws verbosity settings. 

Jeff


Re: cost of open book

Carlos
 


No the model I trained on wasn't the size of a washing machine either, but it was so many years ago now that I only have a vague recollection.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

Here are thoughts and recollections of the very early machines.  The message is rather long so you may not want to read it all.
 
I trained on it as a volunteer to train other blind people.  It wasn't the size of a washing machine.  There were two large units, the scanner and the CPU unit, which was the size of a full size desktop or perhaps somewhat larger but not enormous like a washing machine.  The keypad, which contained the speaker, was a third separate unit.  The machine was very limited in what it could read and it read but didn't store information to save to and be able to transfer it to other machines such as other computers.  That was in about 1981 when there were no or very few personal computers.  The program was loaded into the computer by a tape drive and a small tape cartridge. 
 
I really liked learning the machine but, perhaps mostly because it read so few fonts reasonably well, I had only one person who wanted training on the machine. 
 
the version I started with on the machine was version nineteen nineteen.  I wrote that out to make sure it is read correctly. 
 
One feature I liked the name of, but I don't remember what it did, was called "Black Mask Mode."  One interesting aspect of the machine is that if you got used to the speech and read at or near the top speed, which my guess and vague recollection was about 200 words per minute, the recognition couldn't necessarily keep up with the speech, so there were, with some material, pauses at the ends of lines while recognition caught up with what had been just scanned.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff



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Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

Here are thoughts and recollections of the very early machines.  The message is rather long so you may not want to read it all.
 
I trained on it as a volunteer to train other blind people.  It wasn't the size of a washing machine.  There were two large units, the scanner and the CPU unit, which was the size of a full size desktop or perhaps somewhat larger but not enormous like a washing machine.  The keypad, which contained the speaker, was a third separate unit.  The machine was very limited in what it could read and it read but didn't store information to save to and be able to transfer it to other machines such as other computers.  That was in about 1981 when there were no or very few personal computers.  The program was loaded into the computer by a tape drive and a small tape cartridge. 
 
I really liked learning the machine but, perhaps mostly because it read so few fonts reasonably well, I had only one person who wanted training on the machine. 
 
the version I started with on the machine was version nineteen nineteen.  I wrote that out to make sure it is read correctly. 
 
One feature I liked the name of, but I don't remember what it did, was called "Black Mask Mode."  One interesting aspect of the machine is that if you got used to the speech and read at or near the top speed, which my guess and vague recollection was about 200 words per minute, the recognition couldn't necessarily keep up with the speech, so there were, with some material, pauses at the ends of lines while recognition caught up with what had been just scanned.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff



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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Yes, I think I had the first one.  It was a phone  and cost over two thousand, paid for by my employer.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Is this the old phone that used to have KNFB reader on it, perhaps ten or more years ago?  If so, is that the version of KNFB reader that was current ten or fifteen years ago?  Whatever the case, it appears you are gauging the KNFB Reader by archaic technology, both in the phone and in the program.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Part of the problem may also be your camera.  Feature phones often have less advanced/lower quality cameras than the ones included in most smart phones.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff



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Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

Is this the old phone that used to have KNFB reader on it, perhaps ten or more years ago?  If so, is that the version of KNFB reader that was current ten or fifteen years ago?  Whatever the case, it appears you are gauging the KNFB Reader by archaic technology, both in the phone and in the program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

Part of the problem may also be your camera.  Feature phones often have less advanced/lower quality cameras than the ones included in most smart phones.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

see my previous response to this issue

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

You evidently didn't ask the right question.  You seem to have asked about the cost of buying Openbook, not upgrading it.  I say seem because I don't know if you used the wrong word or if the person taking your call misunderstood the question, even if you asked it correctly. 

The cost of purchasing Openbook has always been about 1000 dollars.  The cost of upgrading Openbook was 150 dollars as long as I've done it starting in about 2000.  the cost may have risen, but nothing like the figure you gave.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

I had open book before I retired It belonged to my employer and the pc was saved for the next blind person to be hired.  If I knew about all this I would have saved the serial nember

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I have never been charged more than 150 dollars and that includes my upgrade from 7 to 9.  The price of an upgrade may have gone up to 300 dollars after I upgraded.  I upgraded soon after version 9 came out.  If it's 300 dollars, and you want to use a reading program, upgrading would be worth considering.  I have no idea how capable the JAWS OCR ability is in the beta.  You may want to wait and see before doing anything. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

Jeff, $1000 is the cost of Open Book if you are purchasing it for the first time.  But if you purchased it in the past and have the serial number, the cost to upgrade it is only $300.  When I upgraded from Open Book 7 to Open Book 9, that’s what VFO charged me.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Lenron
 

Did you miss where I said if I wanted to record 4k video or any video
really? Also a lot of the time you still pay for that cloud storage on
a month to month bases. It's still nice to have options. Something
that would have made the new release of the IPhone 10 even better, if
they would have offered the airpods with it.

On 9/12/17, Jeffrey Schwartz <jeffreyschwartz0238@comcast.net> wrote:
You can store your pictures in the cloud for less than the extra space on an
Iphone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lenron
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

you can't say they won't ever use that space. I have a 64 gb IPhone and I
have ran out of space a couple times. Do you also forget some people take
lots of pictures and 4K video is a thing as well. Not everyone wants to keep
everything in the cloud. Also I see nothing wrong with face id, I am happy
with using a device that has touch id for now but who knows I might not
always feel this way.

On 9/12/17, Jeffrey Schwartz <jeffreyschwartz0238@comcast.net> wrote:
There are people on the net who buy them, do any repairs necessary and
sell them to people looking for a bargain. If I were in the market
for an Iphone, I would go to one of these sights and get the last
version for a huge savings. Most of the Iphone imnprovements are
bogus. We will have people standing in line to pay two hundred for
facial recognition and more space which they will never use.
Jeff
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@gmx.com> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to
trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as
newer models are released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.








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Re: cost of open book

Carlos
 


Yep.  The model on which I received training was clearly not the first since earlier models did not use DECtalk.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

I saw it in the 1970s.  The speech had a weird accent.  When I got my first windows computer in 2000, a scanner came with the package, and I got Kurzweil 1000.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

I’m seventy and never “saw” it.  Perhaps Scranton was behind the times.  It still is.  When did you have this experience?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff

 

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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

I think that Kurzweil is one of the top heroes in accessability for the blind.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don't remember the exact year, but it was some time in the mid to late 80s.  It had an over-sized control panel that connected to the main unit with a thick cable and I believe it used the DECtalk synthesizer.  The next model was much smaller.  The control panel was about the size of a small keyboard and the main unit was probably the size of a mini desktop tower.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I’m seventy and never “saw” it.  Perhaps Scranton was behind the times.  It still is.  When did you have this experience?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff

 

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Re: cost of open book

Gerald Levy
 

 
I believe Stevie Wonder received that very first Kurzweill reading machine.  I don’t know whether he purchased it, or it was given to him because of his high public profile.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff



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Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

I have never been charged more than 150 dollars and that includes my upgrade from 7 to 9.  The price of an upgrade may have gone up to 300 dollars after I upgraded.  I upgraded soon after version 9 came out.  If it's 300 dollars, and you want to use a reading program, upgrading would be worth considering.  I have no idea how capable the JAWS OCR ability is in the beta.  You may want to wait and see before doing anything. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 
Jeff, $1000 is the cost of Open Book if you are purchasing it for the first time.  But if you purchased it in the past and have the serial number, the cost to upgrade it is only $300.  When I upgraded from Open Book 7 to Open Book 9, that’s what VFO charged me.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

You evidently didn't ask the right question.  You seem to have asked about the cost of buying Openbook, not upgrading it.  I say seem because I don't know if you used the wrong word or if the person taking your call misunderstood the question, even if you asked it correctly. 
The cost of purchasing Openbook has always been about 1000 dollars.  The cost of upgrading Openbook was 150 dollars as long as I've done it starting in about 2000.  the cost may have risen, but nothing like the figure you gave.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


Re: cost of open book

Carlos
 


I don't remember the exact year, but it was some time in the mid to late 80s.  It had an over-sized control panel that connected to the main unit with a thick cable and I believe it used the DECtalk synthesizer.  The next model was much smaller.  The control panel was about the size of a small keyboard and the main unit was probably the size of a mini desktop tower.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

I’m seventy and never “saw” it.  Perhaps Scranton was behind the times.  It still is.  When did you have this experience?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff

 

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Re: cost of open book

Pamela Dominguez
 

I saw it in the 1970s.  The speech had a weird accent.  When I got my first windows computer in 2000, a scanner came with the package, and I got Kurzweil 1000.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

I’m seventy and never “saw” it.  Perhaps Scranton was behind the times.  It still is.  When did you have this experience?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff

 

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

You can store your pictures in the cloud for less than the extra space on an Iphone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

you can't say they won't ever use that space. I have a 64 gb IPhone and I have ran out of space a couple times. Do you also forget some people take lots of pictures and 4K video is a thing as well. Not everyone wants to keep everything in the cloud. Also I see nothing wrong with face id, I am happy with using a device that has touch id for now but who knows I might not always feel this way.

On 9/12/17, Jeffrey Schwartz <jeffreyschwartz0238@comcast.net> wrote:
There are people on the net who buy them, do any repairs necessary and
sell them to people looking for a bargain. If I were in the market
for an Iphone, I would go to one of these sights and get the last
version for a huge savings. Most of the Iphone imnprovements are
bogus. We will have people standing in line to pay two hundred for
facial recognition and more space which they will never use.
Jeff
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@gmx.com> wrote:
Not necessarily, because many cell providers will also allow you to
trade in your outdated model for a significantly discounted price as
newer models are released.

What happens to those old phones anyway. I always wondered that.








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Re: cost of open book

Pamela Dominguez
 

Well then, I guess I will just have to rely on the Kurzweil in the computer.  Pam.
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Part of the problem may also be your camera.  Feature phones often have less advanced/lower quality cameras than the ones included in most smart phones.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Yes; that’s what I have.  I don’t have a smart phone; I have the n95, but it has the KNFB mobile reader.  That’s why I bought it.  Otherwise, I would have a much simpler phone.  Pam.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 
I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 


On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff


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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

I’m seventy and never “saw” it.  Perhaps Scranton was behind the times.  It still is.  When did you have this experience?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I remember being one of the first to be trained on that huge Kurzweil reading machine when we got one at the public library.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

 

I had the first KNFBdevice when I was working.  I found it to be virtually useless, even for scanning currency.  At that time it cost over two thousand bucks.  I think that Kurzweil is a pioneer.  He invented the first scanner/ocr It was the size of a washing machine and was only found in libraries, but he was the only one to conceptualize such a device for the blind and make one.

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Are you using KNFB Reader?  If not, that will make a huge difference.  KNFB Reader is almost considered the gold standard when scanning with a smart phone these days.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.

Jeff

 

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