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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carolyn Arnold
 

I've talked to all four of my Houston contacts on their cells. In fact, when one of them was without power, she had no hard connection, so cordless was out. I told her I'd hang up, for her to call me when she could, but save her cell battery for necessity. She was three and a half days without power, but by sparing her phone as much as possible, she did not lose phone power. I didn't think to ask her how long it took her to recharge the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


No mobile phone will ever be as reliable as a land line phone that is tethered to an underground copper wire network. In a major storm, the cell phone towers are often knocked out, so a mobile phone would be useless, even if you could charge it, which you might not be able to do, anyway. After Hurricane Sandy, thousands of people had no cell phone service for weeks because of damage to cell phone towers and power outages caused by catastrophic flooding. And the same thing is happening right now in Florida and Texas.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

So we won't, because it relies on the Internet. But luckily, if you have a mobile phone, and you have it forwarded to that device or if you have a way of forwarding it through another means of Internet, then you can still receive your calls.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@... <mailto:bwaylimited@...> > wrote:




And what happens if you lose power like millions of people in Florida and Texas? Will Majic Jack still work?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Gerald:

For mylandline, I use MagicJack and think it's a great cheap
alternative. It's a great basic landline phone and it's dirt cheap.

On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...> > wrote:


That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55 so


she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If


you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over


55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather





Heather Albright


Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan


ham call sign:


kd5cbl


e-mail:


kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...>





From: Carolyn Arnold


Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the


iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't


remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with


Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over


three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.





Best from,





Carolyn





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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales


Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay


their bills, or when they try to buy something and they


can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that


they are not understanding how works this business.


We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.








-----Original Message-----


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela


Dominguez


Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,


as long as they don't see the price all at once. Pam.





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From: Rob Hudson


Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Carlos <carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...> > wrote:


Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other


expensive


smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell


provider.





Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other


surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the


term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper


relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and


go on that canned tuna diet.














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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carolyn Arnold
 

Right. I am going to be really happy with a cheaper phone
plan. After all, that is every month.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Then you can go to one of the cheaper plans, which I believe
the cheapest one is 10 bucks a month. For one gig of data
and unlimited talking text.
On Sep 13, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold
<4carolyna@...> wrote:

I don't need that much data, plus get a 5 percent
discount, plus the
second line is only $10 a month.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I have a friend who has consumer seller, and he has five
gigs of data,
and unlimited talking text. And he pays 50 bucks a month.
Joseph Hudson

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On Sep 13, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Peter Spitz
<peter.a.spitz@...> wrote:

Have you made sure that Consumer Cellular can take an
iPhone? Some
companies won't take what they don't sell even when
they're unlocked.
My son uses Q Link and they won't take an iPhone atall.
Is Consumer
Cellular cheaper than Cricket? I get everything
unlimited
for $35 a
month withautomatic monthly payments.

Peter

On 9/13/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
wrote:
Pablo, you are saying what I want to hear. Do you buy
your phone
separately from a carrier, and if not, where to you get
them? We can
get the very best plan at Consumer Cellular, but they do
not have an
accessible phone available. Where could I buy a feature
phone with
GSM capability, then take it to Consumer to get started
with them?
Thanks.

Best from,

Carolyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo
Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos, that choice is more expensive. You are paying
the
cost of a
phone through a contract because the montly payment is
higher than
without the phone. More over if you switch the company
they are going
to charge you very expensive penalties. I always buy my
phones
unlocked and directly to the brands, never through a
contract.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



When are you going to get it through your head that many
people,
blind or otherwise, are not paying for the full price of
an iPhone
out of pocket? No matter how many times it has been
explained, you
keep harping on this point. Most people get an iPhone
the same way
they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a
contract or
deal with the cell provider. Not that I'm an Apple fan
myself, but
it makes no sense to stubbornly cling to a misconception
which has
been explained over and over.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:45 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Remember how everyone was hoping that the price of
an IPhone would
eventually come down as manufacturing costs were reduced
by economies
of scale? Well, guess what? Just the opposite is
happening. Apple
announced the much anticipated IPhone 8 today, and it
willsell for
$799. And the new IPhone X, which features facial
recognition will
sell for a ridiculous $999. But hey,all the Apple
lovers
on this
list are probably just licking their chops to get their
hands on one
of them, even though they may have to go on a macaroni
and cheese
diet to afford one.



Gerald

















Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carolyn Arnold
 

Once business stop having land lines, then we can kiss them goodbye. Eventually, they probably will be discontinued in homes first, as fewer and fewer people have them and as cell towers improve in durability and quality. My guess is that within the next ten years, it will be the minority of the population who has hard wired phones. Indeed, they do carry us through power outages. I'd get rid of ours tonight, but it is important to my husband for us to keep them, and as patient and good as that man is to me, if a land line makes life better for him, then it's a good thing to keep.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


You are totally wrong about this issue. For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke? How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone? Do you really believe that this could never happen to you? Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help. And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever. It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it. Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract. And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time. And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.

Gerald



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service. And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia. It's like the old get a horse crowd. If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter.

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway. the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down. already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user. I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Good for him! Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but, I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...>



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...> > wrote:

That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
so
she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If
you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over
55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather
Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
ham call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...>
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the
iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't
remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with
Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over
three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.
Best from,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay
their bills, or when they try to buy something and they
can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that
they are not understanding how works this business.
We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,
as long as they don't see the price all at once. Pam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Carlos <carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...> > wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other
expensive
smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell
provider.
Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other
surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the
term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper
relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and
go on that canned tuna diet.
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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gene
 

I haven't looked at much information but it appears to me that the buttons are used for dialing numbers and for typing letters using the 2 equals A, B, C, system.  I haven't read much so I don't know if the numbers do more but I'm not optimistic that they do or that they do much more. 
 
This is a touch screen phone and, as I've said before, sighted people may be interested in writing letters and numbers not using a touch screen but not in navigating the phone in that way.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I would hold off on the celebrations as there is no clear indication I have
found so far about what is and isn't possible using buttons on the Folder 2.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


> Sis Carolyn wrote in part:
>
> "I'm so excited. Not only was I able to get one with buttons, but an
> Android
> at that. The Folder 2 is here now, selling on Amazon and E-Bay."
>
> thanks for beating me to the punch!  After spending several hours editing
> a
> number of crazy business-related legal forms and documents, I've now just
> sat down to begin trying to prove myself wrong about the Folder II!  I'm
> so
> happy for you and it is grand to know that Amazon does sell it.  I have an
> older uncle who wants a toy just like the Folder II, I guess I can now
> surprise him with one.  See, dearest sis, you have this new toy technology
> down to a science; may be we should consider crowning you an Android
> Senior
> Apostle!
>
> As for apps, I'd like for you to play with the phone for a few shiny days,
> then we'll worry about some apps you can use.  Of course, it will depend
> on
> what you are trying to accomplish as well.
>
> Again, congratulations!  Persistent hardwork does pay off in the end, you
> have just taught me something I far too often ignore especially when my
> restless legs go prowling!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Phone.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Evidently, according to what we read, it is possible. The
picture looks very similar to my LG Haven.

I'll let you know.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.

But I remember when this phone was discussed previously,
there was no indication that navigation was possible using
buttons.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.


It will have Voice Assistant - That is Samsung's
text-to-speech
program. I do not know, but think that if I don't like it
as well as
TalkBack, I can download that. All smart phones have
text-to-speech
capability - way more than one representative has told me
that over
the past few days.
I knew that, but they substantiated that. I was having a
hard time
finding a feature phone with text-to-speech. I'm sure
they're there,
and certainly for CDMA, as Accessible Electronics has two
feature
phones with good accessibility.
I checked with them to see if they had any with GSM, but
they did not.
One good thing, they got through the storm OK.


Best from,

Cqarolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.

Does it have speech?

----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Arnold
<mailto:4carolyna@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:52 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Phone.

A good guy from one of the lists directed us to E-Bay for
the phone of
my dreams. I am really happy about what I got - a gold
Samsung Galaxy
Folder 2 - just what I have been wanting! It is a smart
phone with
buttons. My husband looked at the picture, and also found
a
description and read it. It has the dial as well as the
navigation
buttons. Now, we can get that great plan with Consumer
Cellular.

So, here is what I want to ask about apps, if any of you
know what to
check for. What are apps called for the following?

Color identifier
Currency reader
The one that reads packages and print

Can you think of more that I should get?

Best from,

Carolyn












Re: Feature phones.

Carlos
 

Which discusses almost nothing about what is possible with the buttons. It is worth keeping in mind that the Folder 2 was not specifically designed with the blind in mind and it also has a touch screen so nothing can be taken for granted.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Feature phones.


Sis Carolyn, I found this video on the Folder 2 from YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1bFM7oA-hk

Enjoy listening and have fun!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




Re: cost of open book

Gene
 

first, we don't know if the claim that the JAWS OCR requires the pearl is accurate.  I doubt it but we'll see.  Of course, they shut down Window-eyes development.  But why did the company that owns Window-eyes sell themselves to VFO in the first place?  Obviously, the company was unsustainable.  VFO stopping Window-eyes doesn't tell us anything about VFO except that it is a business and acts like one. 
 
And Openbook is still being sold and no Pearl camera is required.  So, until there is real evidence of changes at VFO, I'll not form any such opinion.  And JAWS has been villified by so much of the blind computer using community for decades that I am very leery of claims against JAWS or whoever owns it at the moment unless there is strong evidence in support of such claims.  A great deal of antiJAWS arguments are based on information that is no better than rumor.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

Gene,

It seems to be moving in that direction.  They have some great products but are moving in the direction of selling them all together   Look at this ocr with jaws needing earl.  Look at what they did with Window Eyes.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don't know what you are trying to say.  You said "We wo see  VFO has become a ruthless  corporation...."  Are you saying it has or it hasn't or we'll see if it has.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

We wo see  VFO has become a ruthless  corporation.  They want you to by everything they offer.  I really liked Open Book and to get it for a buck fifty is fine for me.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

And that's why I never believe unquestioningly, anything any support tech tells me.  A perfect example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:36 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Maybee support should actually run the betas.  I ran it on my computer
using my brother all-in-one and it worked.


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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:30:48 -0400
"Jeffrey Schwartz" <jeffreyschwartz0238@...> wrote:

> I just spoke to a tech support guy at  vFo.  I was concerned about the next version of Jaws doing ocr.  I watched  their FS cast and could swear that they said it would work with a scanner..  No, it will only work with their Pearl device.  I had open book on my pc at work, but as my employer paid for it, I had to leave it on their machine.  Then I spoke to the fellow in sales.  He lit up and because it was in my name, he offered me an upgrade for one fifty.  I really liked the program and have a scanner, so I’m happy  as a pig in poop.
>
> Jeff                  @TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:34 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> Yes but it will just get better as this is the first release and they seem to take your feedback very good as well.
>

>

>
> Matt
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:16 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> Matt,
>
> Oh yeah, I just love this new app.  KNFB reader is also just my back up reader since the Seeing A I app came out.  Although, Microsoft still has a little work to do with it, and from my understanding, Microsoft is consistently working to improve it.  This Seeing A I app is also free! 
>
> Janet
>

>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:24 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> Well no you don’t need no vision at all to use KNFB reader. It does take a little practice to get used to it but no different than anything else.
>
> Now this being said there is a new kid on the block and it is Seeing A I app by Microsoft and it is free. It is very good and has now became my main app over KNFB reader. And KNFB reader is my backup app now.
>

>

>
> Matt
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> Yes, I am totally blind and I use KNFB reader on an android phone without problems. However for work I rather to use Kurzweil.
>

>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:04 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> I am totally blind. I have 0 vision. and I can position the camera for the knfb app nearly perfect. do you know what the field of view report is used for in knfb reader apps? the field of view report is used to help totally blind people accurately position the camera. and it works excellent. totally blind people can use phone cameras successfully and perfectly fine. this idea that you have to be partially sighted or fully sighted to use a camera is just plain wrong and misleading.
>

>

>
> On 9/13/2017 6:33 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>

>
> I suspect that many “blind” folks who have success with the KNFB reader app for the IPhone are actually partially sighted  or low vision and so have enough vision to position the camera properly over the document.  But if you are totally blind, a dedicated scanner or camera on a fixed tripod would probably work better.
>

>
> Gerald
>

>

>

>
> From: Michael Boyd <mailto:mike122061@...
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:50 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>

>
> If you don’t have a stand to hold the phone steady in one place, then getting good results with the phone is a shot in the dark at best. KNFB reader’s quality compared to it’s cost is not a feasible choice at all. Not to mention the process of transferring documents scanned with a phone to a computer. Nearly all documents that I scan need to be saved as a Word or Text file to be referenced back to at a later time. I may not purchase another expensive smart phone, All I really ever use it for is making calls. Yes, the GPS functionality, and a few of the gadgets that you can put on it are fine, but they do not function as well as a stand alone device that was developed specifically for it’s intended use, say a color identifier. What the hell is the color Mountain Mist or  Precious Persimmon anyway?
>

>
> Michael
>

>

>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:51 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> I get very good scanned results with my phone. I position the camera until I get a nearly perfect field of view report then take the picture.
>

>

>
> On 9/12/2017 4:41 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
>
> I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
>

>
> From: Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.
>

>

>
> On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>

>
> If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
>

>
> http://www.serotek.com/docuscanplus
>

>

>
> Gerald
>

>

>

>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
>
> Subject: [TechTalk] cost of open book
>

>
> For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.
>
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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gene
 

your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.
 
Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:
Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 
 
The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 
 
If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 
 
What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 
 
To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.
 
there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 
 
Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 
You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 
 
And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
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From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

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Re: Feature phones.

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Sis Carolyn, I found this video on the Folder 2 from YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1bFM7oA-hk

Enjoy listening and have fun!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carlos
 

I would hold off on the celebrations as there is no clear indication I have found so far about what is and isn't possible using buttons on the Folder 2.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Sis Carolyn wrote in part:

"I'm so excited. Not only was I able to get one with buttons, but an Android
at that. The Folder 2 is here now, selling on Amazon and E-Bay."

thanks for beating me to the punch! After spending several hours editing a
number of crazy business-related legal forms and documents, I've now just
sat down to begin trying to prove myself wrong about the Folder II! I'm so
happy for you and it is grand to know that Amazon does sell it. I have an
older uncle who wants a toy just like the Folder II, I guess I can now
surprise him with one. See, dearest sis, you have this new toy technology
down to a science; may be we should consider crowning you an Android Senior
Apostle!

As for apps, I'd like for you to play with the phone for a few shiny days,
then we'll worry about some apps you can use. Of course, it will depend on
what you are trying to accomplish as well.

Again, congratulations! Persistent hardwork does pay off in the end, you
have just taught me something I far too often ignore especially when my
restless legs go prowling!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




Re: Cost of New IPhone

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Sis Carolyn wrote in part:

"I'm so excited. Not only was I able to get one with buttons, but an Android
at that. The Folder 2 is here now, selling on Amazon and E-Bay."

thanks for beating me to the punch! After spending several hours editing a
number of crazy business-related legal forms and documents, I've now just
sat down to begin trying to prove myself wrong about the Folder II! I'm so
happy for you and it is grand to know that Amazon does sell it. I have an
older uncle who wants a toy just like the Folder II, I guess I can now
surprise him with one. See, dearest sis, you have this new toy technology
down to a science; may be we should consider crowning you an Android Senior
Apostle!

As for apps, I'd like for you to play with the phone for a few shiny days,
then we'll worry about some apps you can use. Of course, it will depend on
what you are trying to accomplish as well.

Again, congratulations! Persistent hardwork does pay off in the end, you
have just taught me something I far too often ignore especially when my
restless legs go prowling!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

 
No mobile phone will ever be as reliable as a land line phone that is tethered to an underground copper wire network.  In a major storm, the cell phone towers are often knocked out, so a mobile phone would be useless, even if you could charge it, which you might not be able to do, anyway.  After Hurricane Sandy, thousands of people had no cell phone service for weeks because of damage to cell phone towers and power outages caused by catastrophic flooding. And the same thing is happening right now in Florida and Texas.  
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
So we won't, because it relies on the Internet. But luckily, if you have a mobile phone, and you have it forwarded to that device or if you have a way of forwarding it through another means of Internet, then you can still receive your calls.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:


And what happens if you lose power like millions of people in Florida and Texas?  Will Majic Jack still work?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Gerald:

For mylandline, I use MagicJack and think it's a great cheap
alternative.  It's a great basic landline phone and it's dirt cheap.

On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55 so
she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If
you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over
55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
ham call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the
iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't
remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with
Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over
three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay
their bills, or when they try to buy something and they
can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that
they are not understanding how works this business.
We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,
as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other
expensive
smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell
provider.

Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other
surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the
term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper
relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and
go on that canned tuna diet.




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Re: cost of open book

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Gene,

It seems to be moving in that direction.  They have some great products but are moving in the direction of selling them all together   Look at this ocr with jaws needing earl.  Look at what they did with Window Eyes.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

I don't know what you are trying to say.  You said "We wo see  VFO has become a ruthless  corporation...."  Are you saying it has or it hasn't or we'll see if it has.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

We wo see  VFO has become a ruthless  corporation.  They want you to by everything they offer.  I really liked Open Book and to get it for a buck fifty is fine for me.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

And that's why I never believe unquestioningly, anything any support tech tells me.  A perfect example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:36 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book

 

Maybee support should actually run the betas.  I ran it on my computer
using my brother all-in-one and it worked.


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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:30:48 -0400
"Jeffrey Schwartz" <jeffreyschwartz0238@...> wrote:

> I just spoke to a tech support guy at  vFo.  I was concerned about the next version of Jaws doing ocr.  I watched  their FS cast and could swear that they said it would work with a scanner..  No, it will only work with their Pearl device.  I had open book on my pc at work, but as my employer paid for it, I had to leave it on their machine.  Then I spoke to the fellow in sales.  He lit up and because it was in my name, he offered me an upgrade for one fifty.  I really liked the program and have a scanner, so I’m happy  as a pig in poop.
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> Jeff                  @TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:34 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> Yes but it will just get better as this is the first release and they seem to take your feedback very good as well.
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> Matt
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> Matt,
>
> Oh yeah, I just love this new app.  KNFB reader is also just my back up reader since the Seeing A I app came out.  Although, Microsoft still has a little work to do with it, and from my understanding, Microsoft is consistently working to improve it.  This Seeing A I app is also free! 
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> Janet
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:24 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> Well no you don’t need no vision at all to use KNFB reader. It does take a little practice to get used to it but no different than anything else.
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> Now this being said there is a new kid on the block and it is Seeing A I app by Microsoft and it is free. It is very good and has now became my main app over KNFB reader. And KNFB reader is my backup app now.
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> Matt
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> Yes, I am totally blind and I use KNFB reader on an android phone without problems. However for work I rather to use Kurzweil.
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:04 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> I am totally blind. I have 0 vision. and I can position the camera for the knfb app nearly perfect. do you know what the field of view report is used for in knfb reader apps? the field of view report is used to help totally blind people accurately position the camera. and it works excellent. totally blind people can use phone cameras successfully and perfectly fine. this idea that you have to be partially sighted or fully sighted to use a camera is just plain wrong and misleading.
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> On 9/13/2017 6:33 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
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> I suspect that many “blind” folks who have success with the KNFB reader app for the IPhone are actually partially sighted  or low vision and so have enough vision to position the camera properly over the document.  But if you are totally blind, a dedicated scanner or camera on a fixed tripod would probably work better.
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> Gerald
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> From: Michael Boyd <mailto:mike122061@...
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:50 AM
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> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> If you don’t have a stand to hold the phone steady in one place, then getting good results with the phone is a shot in the dark at best. KNFB reader’s quality compared to it’s cost is not a feasible choice at all. Not to mention the process of transferring documents scanned with a phone to a computer. Nearly all documents that I scan need to be saved as a Word or Text file to be referenced back to at a later time. I may not purchase another expensive smart phone, All I really ever use it for is making calls. Yes, the GPS functionality, and a few of the gadgets that you can put on it are fine, but they do not function as well as a stand alone device that was developed specifically for it’s intended use, say a color identifier. What the hell is the color Mountain Mist or  Precious Persimmon anyway?
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> Michael
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:51 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> I get very good scanned results with my phone. I position the camera until I get a nearly perfect field of view report then take the picture.
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> On 9/12/2017 4:41 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
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> I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
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> From: Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
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> or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.
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> On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
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> If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
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> http://www.serotek.com/docuscanplus
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> Gerald
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> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
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> For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.
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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Oh okay, well that's good to know.
Joseph Hudson

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On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:

Talkback update is important because it may fix known issues with the screen
reader and thus make it better than it was the last time. In Android land,
screen reader gets updates independently; I like the idea in part because a
few of these do come down the pipeline now and then.

Besides, in my wee, small corner, I am an app junky; newer or updated apps
may otherwise be usable and accessible, but I won't necessarily know that if
I don't stay current with respect to screen reader update. And, since it
doesn't cost me a toe, I'd like to keep the screen reader update in check.


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado





Re: Cost of New IPhone

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Then you can go to one of the cheaper plans, which I believe the cheapest one is 10 bucks a month. For one gig of data and unlimited talking text.

On Sep 13, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

I don't need that much data, plus get a 5 percent discount,
plus the second line is only $10 a month.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I have a friend who has consumer seller, and he has five
gigs of data, and unlimited talking text. And he pays 50
bucks a month.
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On Sep 13, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Peter Spitz
<peter.a.spitz@...> wrote:

Have you made sure that Consumer Cellular can take an
iPhone? Some
companies won't take what they don't sell even when
they're unlocked.
My son uses Q Link and they won't take an iPhone atall.
Is Consumer
Cellular cheaper than Cricket? I get everything unlimited
for $35 a
month withautomatic monthly payments.

Peter

On 9/13/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
wrote:
Pablo, you are saying what I want to hear. Do you buy
your phone
separately from a carrier, and if not, where to you get
them? We can
get the very best plan at Consumer Cellular, but they do
not have an
accessible phone available. Where could I buy a feature
phone with
GSM capability, then take it to Consumer to get started
with them?
Thanks.

Best from,

Carolyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo
Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos, that choice is more expensive. You are paying the
cost of a
phone through a contract because the montly payment is
higher than
without the phone. More over if you switch the company
they are going
to charge you very expensive penalties. I always buy my
phones
unlocked and directly to the brands, never through a
contract.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



When are you going to get it through your head that many
people,
blind or otherwise, are not paying for the full price of
an iPhone
out of pocket? No matter how many times it has been
explained, you
keep harping on this point. Most people get an iPhone
the same way
they get any other expensive smart phone, as part of a
contract or
deal with the cell provider. Not that I'm an Apple fan
myself, but
it makes no sense to stubbornly cling to a misconception
which has
been explained over and over.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:45 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Remember how everyone was hoping that the price of
an IPhone would
eventually come down as manufacturing costs were reduced
by economies
of scale? Well, guess what? Just the opposite is
happening. Apple
announced the much anticipated IPhone 8 today, and it
willsell for
$799. And the new IPhone X, which features facial
recognition will
sell for a ridiculous $999. But hey,all the Apple lovers
on this
list are probably just licking their chops to get their
hands on one
of them, even though they may have to go on a macaroni
and cheese
diet to afford one.



Gerald

















Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

 
You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 
 
And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
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call sign:
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From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

So we won't, because it relies on the Internet. But luckily, if you have a mobile phone, and you have it forwarded to that device or if you have a way of forwarding it through another means of Internet, then you can still receive your calls.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:


And what happens if you lose power like millions of people in Florida and Texas?  Will Majic Jack still work?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Gerald:

For mylandline, I use MagicJack and think it's a great cheap
alternative.  It's a great basic landline phone and it's dirt cheap.

On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55 so
she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If
you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over
55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
ham call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the
iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't
remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with
Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over
three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay
their bills, or when they try to buy something and they
can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that
they are not understanding how works this business.
We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,
as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other
expensive
smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell
provider.

Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other
surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the
term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper
relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and
go on that canned tuna diet.




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Re: Phone.

Carlos
 

But I remember when this phone was discussed previously, there was no indication that navigation was possible using buttons.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.


It will have Voice Assistant - That is Samsung's
text-to-speech program. I do not know, but think that if I
don't like it as well as TalkBack, I can download that. All
smart phones have text-to-speech capability - way more than
one representative has told me that over the past few days.
I knew that, but they substantiated that. I was having a
hard time finding a feature phone with text-to-speech. I'm
sure they're there, and certainly for CDMA, as Accessible
Electronics has two feature phones with good accessibility.
I checked with them to see if they had any with GSM, but
they did not. One good thing, they got through the storm OK.


Best from,

Cqarolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.

Does it have speech?

----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Arnold
<mailto:4carolyna@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:52 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Phone.

A good guy from one of the lists directed us to
E-Bay for
the phone of my dreams. I am really happy about what
I got -
a gold Samsung Galaxy Folder 2 - just what I have
been
wanting! It is a smart phone with buttons. My
husband looked
at the picture, and also found a description and
read it. It
has the dial as well as the navigation buttons. Now,
we can
get that great plan with Consumer Cellular.

So, here is what I want to ask about apps, if any of
you
know what to check for. What are apps called for the
following?

Color identifier
Currency reader
The one that reads packages and print

Can you think of more that I should get?

Best from,

Carolyn











Re: cost of open book

Gerald Levy
 

 
Is VFO really any more ruthless than Apple?  I’m glad you were able to upgrade Open Book for only $150.  As I mentioned previously, as long as you still have the serial number of the version of Open Book you used at work, they will upgrade it for a nominal fee instead of charging you full price for a new copy.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
 

We wo see  VFO has become a ruthless  corporation.  They want you to by everything they offer.  I really liked Open Book and to get it for a buck fifty is fine for me.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:26 PM
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And that's why I never believe unquestioningly, anything any support tech tells me.  A perfect example.

 

Gene

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Maybee support should actually run the betas.  I ran it on my computer
using my brother all-in-one and it worked.


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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:30:48 -0400
"Jeffrey Schwartz" <jeffreyschwartz0238@...> wrote:

> I just spoke to a tech support guy at  vFo.  I was concerned about the next version of Jaws doing ocr.  I watched  their FS cast and could swear that they said it would work with a scanner..  No, it will only work with their Pearl device.  I had open book on my pc at work, but as my employer paid for it, I had to leave it on their machine.  Then I spoke to the fellow in sales.  He lit up and because it was in my name, he offered me an upgrade for one fifty.  I really liked the program and have a scanner, so I’m happy  as a pig in poop.
>
> Jeff                  @TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
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> Yes but it will just get better as this is the first release and they seem to take your feedback very good as well.
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> Matt
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
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> Matt,
>
> Oh yeah, I just love this new app.  KNFB reader is also just my back up reader since the Seeing A I app came out.  Although, Microsoft still has a little work to do with it, and from my understanding, Microsoft is consistently working to improve it.  This Seeing A I app is also free! 
>
> Janet
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>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:24 AM
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> Well no you don’t need no vision at all to use KNFB reader. It does take a little practice to get used to it but no different than anything else.
>
> Now this being said there is a new kid on the block and it is Seeing A I app by Microsoft and it is free. It is very good and has now became my main app over KNFB reader. And KNFB reader is my backup app now.
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> Matt
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>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> Yes, I am totally blind and I use KNFB reader on an android phone without problems. However for work I rather to use Kurzweil.
>

>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
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> I am totally blind. I have 0 vision. and I can position the camera for the knfb app nearly perfect. do you know what the field of view report is used for in knfb reader apps? the field of view report is used to help totally blind people accurately position the camera. and it works excellent. totally blind people can use phone cameras successfully and perfectly fine. this idea that you have to be partially sighted or fully sighted to use a camera is just plain wrong and misleading.
>

>

>
> On 9/13/2017 6:33 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
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>
> I suspect that many “blind” folks who have success with the KNFB reader app for the IPhone are actually partially sighted  or low vision and so have enough vision to position the camera properly over the document.  But if you are totally blind, a dedicated scanner or camera on a fixed tripod would probably work better.
>

>
> Gerald
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>

>

>
> From: Michael Boyd <mailto:mike122061@...
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:50 AM
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> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
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>

>
> If you don’t have a stand to hold the phone steady in one place, then getting good results with the phone is a shot in the dark at best. KNFB reader’s quality compared to it’s cost is not a feasible choice at all. Not to mention the process of transferring documents scanned with a phone to a computer. Nearly all documents that I scan need to be saved as a Word or Text file to be referenced back to at a later time. I may not purchase another expensive smart phone, All I really ever use it for is making calls. Yes, the GPS functionality, and a few of the gadgets that you can put on it are fine, but they do not function as well as a stand alone device that was developed specifically for it’s intended use, say a color identifier. What the hell is the color Mountain Mist or  Precious Persimmon anyway?
>

>
> Michael
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>

>

>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] cost of open book
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> I get very good scanned results with my phone. I position the camera until I get a nearly perfect field of view report then take the picture.
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>

>
> On 9/12/2017 4:41 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
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> I don’t find that scanning stuff with my phone works well, most of the time.  Pam.
>

>
> From: Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:11 PM
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> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
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>
> or for $250 you could get a moto e 4th gen plus smartPhone, plus knfb reader. then scan your stuff and save to dropbox to sink to the computer.
>

>

>
> On 9/12/2017 4:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>

>
> If you don’t want to spend $1000 to purchase a new copy of Open Book, another text to speech program you might want to consider is DocuScan Plus from Serotek, which only costs $400.  Keep in mind that DocuScan Plus is not as feature rich as Open Book, but it might well suffice for your needs if all you want to do is read simple documents.  Also keep in mind that Serotek is on shaky ground these days, having recently lost its chief programmer, and so its future is uncertain.  For more info about DocuScan Plus:
>

>
> http://www.serotek.com/docuscanplus
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>

>
> Gerald
>

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>

>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:41 PM
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> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
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> For the member who told me it was now one fifty, I just called vfo and it is now one thousand   Things are really changing at vfo.
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> Jeff
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Re: Phone.

Carolyn Arnold
 

It will have Voice Assistant - That is Samsung's
text-to-speech program. I do not know, but think that if I
don't like it as well as TalkBack, I can download that. All
smart phones have text-to-speech capability - way more than
one representative has told me that over the past few days.
I knew that, but they substantiated that. I was having a
hard time finding a feature phone with text-to-speech. I'm
sure they're there, and certainly for CDMA, as Accessible
Electronics has two feature phones with good accessibility.
I checked with them to see if they had any with GSM, but
they did not. One good thing, they got through the storm OK.


Best from,

Cqarolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Phone.

Does it have speech?

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From: Carolyn Arnold
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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:52 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Phone.

A good guy from one of the lists directed us to
E-Bay for
the phone of my dreams. I am really happy about what
I got -
a gold Samsung Galaxy Folder 2 - just what I have
been
wanting! It is a smart phone with buttons. My
husband looked
at the picture, and also found a description and
read it. It
has the dial as well as the navigation buttons. Now,
we can
get that great plan with Consumer Cellular.

So, here is what I want to ask about apps, if any of
you
know what to check for. What are apps called for the
following?

Color identifier
Currency reader
The one that reads packages and print

Can you think of more that I should get?

Best from,

Carolyn

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