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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

 
I have a cell phone for emergencies, just in case my land line service is disrupted.  Don’t laugh, but my cell phone is a 12 year old LG VZ4650 that still works because I rarely use it, and so the battery hasn’t died yet.  Oh sure, it probably belongs in the Smithsonian.  But at least I can make calls using voice commands, so I don’t have to futz around with the keypad, which at least has tactile buttons, albeit on the tiny side.  And to answer a call, I just have to flip it open without fumbling around a touchpad.  And with Page Plus Cellular, I only pay $30 a year to keep it activated.  Since I almost never use it, I have over 6 hours of accumulated air time.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Gerald,

There is that word if again.  What if this and what if that but what if this and what if that again!  I’ve been through that already with another list member, so that goes nowhere!  What if the world ended tomorrow? You could grab your land line, and I could grab my iPhone, and we both might be happy!  Lol! 

Janet

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

But if the power fails, your Magic Jack phone won’t be of any use.  So if there is a power failure, you might not be able to use either your cell phone or your Magic Jack phone.  Sure Magic Jack is cheap.  But you get what you pay for.  I have had land line service from Verizon and its predecessors for 67 years, and have experienced a disruption in service only once in all those years.  What cell phone service can match this record of reliability?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: janet gross

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Hey Gerald,

Aren’t we starting just a little to early for all this? Lol!  I have a Magic Jack phone just in case I lose my wonderful iPhone.  I would always have the Magic Jack for emergencies. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You claim that signing up for Lifelock protection is like an insurance policy.  Well, for me maintaining my land line service is an insurance policy.  According to you, the probability of a natural disaster striking a major metropolitan area is low, so why hang on to antiquated technology?  Well, nobody ever thought Hurricane Sandy would cause such catastrophic damage in a city like New York.  Nobody ever thought they would see rowboats floating along lower Broadway near the Battery.  But it happened.  And many experts insist that it could happen again because of climate change, which the current president dismisses as a hoax.  There is currently no cell phone on the market that is as reliable as a land line phone tethered to an underground copper wire network, nor is there any cell phone that provides loud and clear sound quality comparable to a land line phone.  So stick to your cell phone if it makes you feel safe and secure. I’ll stick to my reliable land line phone.

 

Gerald

 

  

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.

 

Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:

Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 

 

The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 

 

If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 

 

What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 

 

To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.

 

there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 

 

Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 

 

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 


Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

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Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Janet
 

Gerald,
These poor residents who are receiving Public Aid, I can assure you, they have a better smart phone then I have. The reason why they want to get rid of the land line service here is because they claim it is costing to much money to keep it running, and because the majority of residents have either a smart phone or a cell phone!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.


Yeah, Robb, you're right. It is sad that Chicago has one of the highest rates of murder and other violent crime of any major city in the US. Just ask the poor residents , many of whom are people of color and senior citizens who live in crime-ridden housing projects and subsist on welfare and food stamps whether their neighbors all have smart phones .

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call
for help, but if they don’t have one, you can bet their friend or
neighbor will have one!
That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit; and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I'd be interested in knowing about the speech capabilities of this Folder 2, and also does it tell you who a text is from when you see it in the inbox? Those are the disadvantages I see in the LG Revere III.

Ann P.

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Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Janet
 

Gerald,

There is that word if again.  What if this and what if that but what if this and what if that again!  I’ve been through that already with another list member, so that goes nowhere!  What if the world ended tomorrow? You could grab your land line, and I could grab my iPhone, and we both might be happy!  Lol! 

Janet

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

But if the power fails, your Magic Jack phone won’t be of any use.  So if there is a power failure, you might not be able to use either your cell phone or your Magic Jack phone.  Sure Magic Jack is cheap.  But you get what you pay for.  I have had land line service from Verizon and its predecessors for 67 years, and have experienced a disruption in service only once in all those years.  What cell phone service can match this record of reliability?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: janet gross

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Hey Gerald,

Aren’t we starting just a little to early for all this? Lol!  I have a Magic Jack phone just in case I lose my wonderful iPhone.  I would always have the Magic Jack for emergencies. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You claim that signing up for Lifelock protection is like an insurance policy.  Well, for me maintaining my land line service is an insurance policy.  According to you, the probability of a natural disaster striking a major metropolitan area is low, so why hang on to antiquated technology?  Well, nobody ever thought Hurricane Sandy would cause such catastrophic damage in a city like New York.  Nobody ever thought they would see rowboats floating along lower Broadway near the Battery.  But it happened.  And many experts insist that it could happen again because of climate change, which the current president dismisses as a hoax.  There is currently no cell phone on the market that is as reliable as a land line phone tethered to an underground copper wire network, nor is there any cell phone that provides loud and clear sound quality comparable to a land line phone.  So stick to your cell phone if it makes you feel safe and secure. I’ll stick to my reliable land line phone.

 

Gerald

 

  

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.

 

Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:

Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 

 

The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 

 

If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 

 

What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 

 

To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.

 

there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 

 

Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 

 

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 


Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

>

>

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Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Janet
 

Rob said,
That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I
haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from
talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit;
and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who
live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich
as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.

Janet says,
I love this cesspool as much as I love my iPhone, and I don't give a damn if
the other people care about me or not. If they don't like a person here,
they just might shoot them, and that's even in Trump land! Lol!


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

 
But if the power fails, your Magic Jack phone won’t be of any use.  So if there is a power failure, you might not be able to use either your cell phone or your Magic Jack phone.  Sure Magic Jack is cheap.  But you get what you pay for.  I have had land line service from Verizon and its predecessors for 67 years, and have experienced a disruption in service only once in all those years.  What cell phone service can match this record of reliability?
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Hey Gerald,

Aren’t we starting just a little to early for all this? Lol!  I have a Magic Jack phone just in case I lose my wonderful iPhone.  I would always have the Magic Jack for emergencies. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You claim that signing up for Lifelock protection is like an insurance policy.  Well, for me maintaining my land line service is an insurance policy.  According to you, the probability of a natural disaster striking a major metropolitan area is low, so why hang on to antiquated technology?  Well, nobody ever thought Hurricane Sandy would cause such catastrophic damage in a city like New York.  Nobody ever thought they would see rowboats floating along lower Broadway near the Battery.  But it happened.  And many experts insist that it could happen again because of climate change, which the current president dismisses as a hoax.  There is currently no cell phone on the market that is as reliable as a land line phone tethered to an underground copper wire network, nor is there any cell phone that provides loud and clear sound quality comparable to a land line phone.  So stick to your cell phone if it makes you feel safe and secure. I’ll stick to my reliable land line phone.

 

Gerald

 

  

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.

 

Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:

Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 

 

The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 

 

If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 

 

What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 

 

To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.

 

there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 

 

Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 

 

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 


Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

>

>

>

> ---

> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.

> http://www.avg.com

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Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Gerald Levy
 

Yeah, Robb, you're right. It is sad that Chicago has one of the highest rates of murder and other violent crime of any major city in the US. Just ask the poor residents , many of whom are people of color and senior citizens who live in crime-ridden housing projects and subsist on welfare and food stamps whether their neighbors all have smart phones .

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call for help, but if they don’t have one, you can bet their friend or neighbor will have one!
That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit; and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.


Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call for help, but if they dont have one, you can bet their friend or neighbor will have one!
That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit; and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Janet
 

Hey Gerald,

Aren’t we starting just a little to early for all this? Lol!  I have a Magic Jack phone just in case I lose my wonderful iPhone.  I would always have the Magic Jack for emergencies. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You claim that signing up for Lifelock protection is like an insurance policy.  Well, for me maintaining my land line service is an insurance policy.  According to you, the probability of a natural disaster striking a major metropolitan area is low, so why hang on to antiquated technology?  Well, nobody ever thought Hurricane Sandy would cause such catastrophic damage in a city like New York.  Nobody ever thought they would see rowboats floating along lower Broadway near the Battery.  But it happened.  And many experts insist that it could happen again because of climate change, which the current president dismisses as a hoax.  There is currently no cell phone on the market that is as reliable as a land line phone tethered to an underground copper wire network, nor is there any cell phone that provides loud and clear sound quality comparable to a land line phone.  So stick to your cell phone if it makes you feel safe and secure. I’ll stick to my reliable land line phone.

 

Gerald

 

  

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.

 

Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:

Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 

 

The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 

 

If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 

 

What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 

 

To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.

 

there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 

 

Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

 

You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 

 

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

 


Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

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Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Janet
 

Gerald,

The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call for help, but if they don’t have one, you can bet their friend or neighbor will have one! 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

 

 

Pity the poor residents of Illinois.  Thank goodness, Verizon has been blocked from abandoning its copper wire network in New York.  It is especially sad that in cities like Chicago, where violent crime is rampant, residents may lose their only reliable means of calling for help.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: janet gross

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:58 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

 

AT&T landline   service in Illinois to end, pending FCC approval

Published                                                                                       July 05, 2017

Fox News

Illinois residents whose sole method of electronic communication is through landline phones may soon need to rethink their methods. 

A bill allowing AT&T to disconnect its remaining 1.2 million landline customers throughout the state was passed in the General Assembly on Saturday, according

to the

Chicago Tribune.

The approval overrode Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner's veto of the legislation.

AT&T has been pushing for legislation to end landline phone service to focus on “modern alternatives.” The phone company claims it loses about 5,000 landline

customers in Illinois each week, but critics say the new law adversely affects those who have no choice but to rely on landlines.

 

"If AT&T succeeds in ending traditional landline phone service, we think that will hurt people — particularly seniors and those with medical conditions

— who depend on a landline as their most reliable link to vital services," Jim Chilsen, the spokesman for watchdog group Citizens Utility Board, told the

Tribune.

AT&T will need approval from the Federal Communications Commission to effectively end its landline telephone service, but the company has already successfully

passed similar legislation in 19 of the 20 states where it is the legacy phone service.

 

AT&T, by law, is now required to notify its customers statewide before petitioning to the FCC. Customers who believe that landlines are their only practical

method of communication will be able to appeal to the Illinois Commerce Commission.

 

CELL PHONES OUTNUMBER LANDLINE USERS FOR FIRST TIME

 

After reassuring customers in a statement Wednesday that their landline service isn’t “going away anytime soon,” AT&T Illinois president Paul La Schiazza

reiterated that the company still provides landline phone service.

 

"We value our customers, and we want to keep them," La Schiazza said. "While most customers are enjoying updated technologies today, including wireless

service and modern landline service, AT&T currently continues to sell and provide traditional landline phone service to our customers." 

 

 


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

 
You claim that signing up for Lifelock protection is like an insurance policy.  Well, for me maintaining my land line service is an insurance policy.  According to you, the probability of a natural disaster striking a major metropolitan area is low, so why hang on to antiquated technology?  Well, nobody ever thought Hurricane Sandy would cause such catastrophic damage in a city like New York.  Nobody ever thought they would see rowboats floating along lower Broadway near the Battery.  But it happened.  And many experts insist that it could happen again because of climate change, which the current president dismisses as a hoax.  There is currently no cell phone on the market that is as reliable as a land line phone tethered to an underground copper wire network, nor is there any cell phone that provides loud and clear sound quality comparable to a land line phone.  So stick to your cell phone if it makes you feel safe and secure. I’ll stick to my reliable land line phone.
 
Gerald
 
  

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.
 
Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:
Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 
 
The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 
 
If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 
 
What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 
 
To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.
 
there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 
 
Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
 
You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 
 
And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan ham
call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

>

>

>

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Gerald Levy
 

And if your friend's cell phone had run out of juice and she suffered a heart attack and couldn't call for help, she would be dead now.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I've talked to all four of my Houston contacts on their cells. In fact, when one of them was without power, she had no hard connection, so cordless was out. I told her I'd hang up, for her to call me when she could, but save her cell battery for necessity. She was three and a half days without power, but by sparing her phone as much as possible, she did not lose phone power. I didn't think to ask her how long it took her to recharge the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


No mobile phone will ever be as reliable as a land line phone that is tethered to an underground copper wire network. In a major storm, the cell phone towers are often knocked out, so a mobile phone would be useless, even if you could charge it, which you might not be able to do, anyway. After Hurricane Sandy, thousands of people had no cell phone service for weeks because of damage to cell phone towers and power outages caused by catastrophic flooding. And the same thing is happening right now in Florida and Texas.

Gerald



From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

So we won't, because it relies on the Internet. But luckily, if you have a mobile phone, and you have it forwarded to that device or if you have a way of forwarding it through another means of Internet, then you can still receive your calls.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@... <mailto:bwaylimited@...> > wrote:




And what happens if you lose power like millions of people in Florida and Texas? Will Majic Jack still work?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Gerald:

For mylandline, I use MagicJack and think it's a great cheap
alternative. It's a great basic landline phone and it's dirt cheap.

On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...> > wrote:


That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55 so


she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If


you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over


55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather





Heather Albright


Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan


ham call sign:


kd5cbl


e-mail:


kd5cbl@... <mailto:kd5cbl@...>





From: Carolyn Arnold


Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the


iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't


remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with


Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over


three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.





Best from,





Carolyn





-----Original Message-----


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales


Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay


their bills, or when they try to buy something and they


can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that


they are not understanding how works this business.


We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.








-----Original Message-----


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela


Dominguez


Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,


as long as they don't see the price all at once. Pam.





-----Original Message-----


From: Rob Hudson


Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone





Carlos <carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...> > wrote:


Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other


expensive


smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell


provider.





Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other


surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the


term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper


relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and


go on that canned tuna diet.














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Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Gerald Levy
 

 
Pity the poor residents of Illinois.  Thank goodness, Verizon has been blocked from abandoning its copper wire network in New York.  It is especially sad that in cities like Chicago, where violent crime is rampant, residents may lose their only reliable means of calling for help.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.
 

AT&T landline   service in Illinois to end, pending FCC approval

Published                                                                                       July 05, 2017

Fox News

Illinois residents whose sole method of electronic communication is through landline phones may soon need to rethink their methods. 

A bill allowing AT&T to disconnect its remaining 1.2 million landline customers throughout the state was passed in the General Assembly on Saturday, according

to the

Chicago Tribune.

The approval overrode Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner's veto of the legislation.

AT&T has been pushing for legislation to end landline phone service to focus on “modern alternatives.” The phone company claims it loses about 5,000 landline

customers in Illinois each week, but critics say the new law adversely affects those who have no choice but to rely on landlines.

 

"If AT&T succeeds in ending traditional landline phone service, we think that will hurt people — particularly seniors and those with medical conditions

— who depend on a landline as their most reliable link to vital services," Jim Chilsen, the spokesman for watchdog group Citizens Utility Board, told the

Tribune.

AT&T will need approval from the Federal Communications Commission to effectively end its landline telephone service, but the company has already successfully

passed similar legislation in 19 of the 20 states where it is the legacy phone service.

 

AT&T, by law, is now required to notify its customers statewide before petitioning to the FCC. Customers who believe that landlines are their only practical

method of communication will be able to appeal to the Illinois Commerce Commission.

 

CELL PHONES OUTNUMBER LANDLINE USERS FOR FIRST TIME

 

After reassuring customers in a statement Wednesday that their landline service isn’t “going away anytime soon,” AT&T Illinois president Paul La Schiazza

reiterated that the company still provides landline phone service.

 

"We value our customers, and we want to keep them," La Schiazza said. "While most customers are enjoying updated technologies today, including wireless

service and modern landline service, AT&T currently continues to sell and provide traditional landline phone service to our customers." 

 

 


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Janet
 

Hi Olusegun,
This is good to know. Although, I do love both keypads on the iPhone. I
just was curious because some of my friends who worked with computer
keyboards for several years, are having a bit of trouble using either of the
Apple keypads on the iPhone, and I'm trying to understand why would that be,
if they used the computer keyboards.
Janet

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Sis Janet, the Anddroid keypad is the same as on a PC. Example: the A S D
F are all on the same row. You can select which keyboard emulation rocks
your boat--QWERTY, PC style from wherever. I prefer the USPC layout and
that's what I use. There are also lots of keyboard apps to choose from:
GBoard from Google, Swipe, Technical Keyboard, Hub and several more.
There's one called the Blind Accessibility Keyboard. This keyboard does
have control, Alt and cursor keys you are familiar with on a regular
computer. It does cost about $5 if memory serves, it's been a while since I
picked it up. I don't use it much; I only bought it to support continuous
development. The developer hasn't done much with it in recent times
especially since he and his wife had a baby.

Since you're more familiar with iOS, the Hub keyboard might be your friend
whilst you learn Android. Why so? Well, when you find the letter you need,
you will have to tap on it twice to register the keypress. I use Touch &
Lift. I don't have the Hub keyboard, but I have several others that I play
with time and time again.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gerald Levy
 

You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by enabling the JAWS virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS Help menu, and scroll down to the Start-Up wizard. On the third page of the Start Up wizard, check the box to enable virtual ribbons and click on the Okay button. The menus in Outlook will now appear like the classic menus you are familiar with. And don't let anyone discourage you from trying this feature because of their high and mighty attitude that it is better to learn how to navigate the ribbon menus than sticking with what you are comfortable with.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

They don't have to be free.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I do not know any free ones, sorry!


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Re: My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

Janet
 

Hi Jeff,

Oh sure I completely understand what you mean by communicating with those people.  I’ve had similar run ins with them as well, so I feel for you!  Your bottle of Single Malt Scotch is on the way!  Enjoy!  Lol! 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

Yea sure.  Ild talk to five or six people who gradually reverted to Indian.  When I finally got to what they called a supervisor I would be told “that’s not an option”, the same words I heard when I asked for a tech support guy to come out before  here did the diagnostic.  I was lucky to have a sighted friend come in at just this point and he did the diagnostic and to their credit the guy at Dell took control of my pc and fixed the problem.  He was so cooperative that my buddy  down his mame and direct extension.  If you want me to call and ask for my money back, you’ll have to send me a bottle of single malt scotch which I’ll be well into before I place the call.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

Jeff,

If you paid for this service, and you didn’t get it when you needed it, request your money back. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

I paid for the one year of in home service but when I needed it wasn’t there.  I feel that this option was misrepresented.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

Hi,

I completely understand what Pam is saying.  Why shouldn’t we expect a tech representative to come out to our house if we pay for unlimited insurance? That agreement is usually in the unlimited insurance plan, it is called in home service.  This might be another way for the company to make more money from us consumers, so I expect the tech representative to do the trouble shooting instead of me.  Now, if someone doesn’t pay for the unlimited insurance, well, be prepared to do your own trouble shooting!   . 

It has nothing to do with playing the Blind card.  It has to do with whatever the consumer chooses to pay for!  I also can’t hardly understand what the reps are saying, and they can’t hardly understand what I am saying, and this does definitely pose a serious communication problem!  If the rep can’t understand me and I can’t understand them, that’s all the more reason they need to come out to the house, and they can see the computer problem!  What works for one doesn’t necessarily work for another! 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

 

Pam,

what do you mean?

You can't expect the support rep   to send out an engineer without first doing some trouble shooting.

And I have been able to understand all the agents who have handled my calls.

Just because where blind we shouldn't play the helpless card.
 

On 12/09/2017 9:50 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Good for you.  Some of us can’t deal with those people we can’t understand, and who can’t understand us, and who always expect us to have somebody to look at the screen for us.  Pam.

 

From: Sadam Ahmed

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:53 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

I think that getting an extended support plan is very much worth it.

 

Both my desktop and laptop have had  major repairs done.

 

First the hard drive failed then there was a over heating issue.

 

Why are people hating on Dell?

 

I've personally had nothing but great customer service and the products work well.

 

On 11/09/2017 8:23 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I disagree that an extended warranty on a desktop PC is a waste of money.  During the five year period that was covered by the extended warranty I took out on my previous Dell desktop, it was repaired free of charge twice onsite, once to replace a failing hard drive, and the second time to replace a defective DVD drive.  According to Consumer Reports, Dell actually has better customer support than most of the other PC makers.  And according to my techie friend, all PC makers,require customers to perform diagnostic testing, which, for the most part requires sighted assistance, before they will send a service technician to the customer’s home or place of business.  Besides Dell, HP and Linobo have this policy.  Of course, you could always try to fix a broken PC yourself if you are handy.  But good luck getting your PC to work again if you don’t know exactly what you’re doing.

 

Gerald

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

There are a lot of satisfied blind Dell owners.  Before deciding what to do or not to do in terms of purchasing a computer, the only way to make an informed, and not an emotional decision, is to try to find out what other companies do in terms of sending people to service a machine.  As I said, I would never waste money buying a service agreement from any company and if you don't do that, this problem might be moot.  Dell or other companies might be very happy to send a tech out if you were paying for the specific visit and not having the visit be made under extended warranty. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

It’s just my opinion, but I think your big mistake was in buying a Dell.  By the way: they can do more stuff, because they set up my whole computer and got it running and stuff.  As far as just replacing parts, maybe they are not supposed to do more, but some of them do.  A guy who came to replace a keyboard in a laptop for me also got rid of the box that demands a password, and also got rid of that MSN messenger that was on there.  Maybe he didn’t get rid of it, but he made them so they didn’t pop up.  When I needed a defective drive replaced, the guy set up my email and I think he put back some of the stuff that was in there on the old drive.  That was not the same guy.  So, it depends on how strictly they stick to the rules.  But yes, I believe you did get screwed if that computer was brand new and it was like that.  Pam.

 

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:44 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] My brand new laptop,Dell, has crapped out

 

I got the laptop this week and my friend/tutor spent  six hours setting it up.  I was thrilled.  I purchased a oneyear”prime”service plan which promised in home service.  I called them and after spleaking to five people before I was in the correct department,  I was informed that I needed a sighted person to do some kind of trouble shooting before someone would come out.  The field person only replaces parts.  They say that he can’t do any trouble shooting.  I feel that I’ve been screwed and told them so.  This is the sixth or seventh dell I’ve bought and the last one.

Jeff

 

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Janet
 

Hi Carlos,
So it is called qwerty keyboard. I never heard of the keyboard being called
that. Thank you. I was just curious because some of my friends say they
have a bit of trouble using the phone's keypad, and I was wondering why that
would be if they used the computer keyboard for several years. I just
thought by being used to using the computer keyboard, it would be easy to
use the phone's keypad as well.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yes. I know what you meant. That is referred to as a qwerty keyboard.
Unfortunately, the question does not really apply since very few Android
phones have any kind of physical keyboard at all. There are some exceptions
such as the BlackBerry PRIV and BlackBerry KeyOne which do have physical
qwerty keyboards, but you cannot use their keyboards for navigation. Now
there is also the Samsung Folder 2 which as I said has a numeric keypad for
texting, but does allow navigation with buttons.
----- Original Message -----
From: "janet gross" <janet.harvard@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Hi Carlos,
How are you doing? I'm talking about say for example, on my Apple phone when
I'm typing using the keypad, it is laid out like the keyboard on my pc
meaning all the letters are in the same place as on the computer keyboard.
Is Android's keypad the same? ? ?
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I don't know if you are referring to the Folder 2, but if so then no. It
does not have a qwerty keyboard. It seems to have a numeric keypad for
dialing and texting like on other flip/feature phones.
----- Original Message -----
From: "janet gross" <janet.harvard@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Olusegun,
Talk to T-Mobile about donating a Galaxy Note8, well, you can bet I surely
will try! No promises though! Lol! I heard a rumor T-Mobile is going to
be having a better deal in a few weeks, so my restless legs slowed down
today. I'm going to take the chance of waiting it out to see what the next
deal is! Just out of curiosity, is the Android keypad laid out like the
keyboard on a pc?
Janet

?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Sis Janet wrote in part:

"Watch those restless legs they might cost you some money! Lol! My
restless legs will be on the prow tomorrow at the T-Mobile store!"

Hmm, whilst there, could you convince TMobile to donate a Galaxy Note8 to
EPF? Who knows ... They might donate two, one for you and one for me!

A donation from TMobile to the Empty Pocket Foundation will be a good tax
write-off for TMobile in 2017 and maybe that will challenge me to write
better since I'll be using a note just like a book!

As for my restless legs, it's a shame they don't speak or understand
English! They speak a deprecated language that's nameless, but my poor,
memory-chip infested brain keeps obeying their commands! I'll sentence them
to three months in jail for daring to wander.

As for yesterday's wine, if you still wish to explore Android, the likes of
LG K10 or LG V10 should be reasonably-priced now especially since the LG V30
will soon hit the marketplace. You could also look at Galaxy S6 although it
doesn't have an SD card slot. I personally won't touch a smart device
without one--I'm not OLD SCHOOL, I'm just irredeemably beyond ancient
school! In Android land, we still want to anoint you Senior Android
Apostle, so don't chicken out quite yet from exploring our wine offerings!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: new iphone.

Janet
 

Hi Billy,
If you currently have an iPhone, you might try with some phone carriers because some of them have some good trade in deals. You might also try with Apple because I think they offer a payment plan interest free. Oh well, if not, there is always the mac and cheese diet you might have to go on in order to afford the phone. Lol!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] new iphone.

hi guys for most visually impaired folks the cost of the new Iphone will make no difference.
We will not have the cash to purchase the thing anyways, Billy


google drive

A.Mac
 

hi all, after a up date on my win 10 laptop, my google drive does not sink to my i-phone.

i have uninstalled  it and reinstalled google drive but no luck, any help please.


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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
There's one called the Blind Accessibility Keyboard. This keyboard does
have control, Alt and cursor keys you are familiar with on a regular
computer.
The main problem I have with these totally on screen keyboards is that there is no point of reference. I heard something about a screen protector for the iPhone that has dots marked for the f and j keys, so you could orient yourself. I did not find such a thing for my android phone though, which is a galaxy s6. I am giving thought ot creating one though, if I can find a suitable screen protector.

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