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Re: low-cost jaws information

Peter Spitz
 

Did he tell you the eligbility requirements? Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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JAWS Home User Program

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: JAWS Home User Program
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:16:46 +0000
From: Hal Knight <HKnight@...>
To: 'joshknnd1982@...' <joshknnd1982@...>


Good morning Josh,

 

I just called you and left a message on your telephone.  My name IS Hal Knight from VFO. We are the manufacturer of Freedom Scientific product

including JAWS.  We have a home user program for folks who are on fixed incomes.  If you can afford $125 for a copy of JAWS please call me and let’s talk.

Telephone:  (800)444-4443 ext 1101.

 

Best Regards,

 

Hal Knight

VFO | Sales Operations

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 727-803-8000 ext 1101 F 727-803-8001

hknight@...

www.vfogroup.com

The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFO™. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments.

 

 


low-cost jaws information

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message. Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


-- 
sent with mozilla thunderbird


Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Carlos
 

Let's not turn this into a Chicago bashing thread please. It is off topic for both the list and this thread.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.


I do find it a bit ironic that the pathetic people that live in Chicago
would call the Police if they needed Help. Isn't Chicago filled with
people who say they Hate all Police?

funny how that is, they don't want what they don't want, until they want
it, and then the Scream to High Heaven because they can't have what
they want.

Sounds like some Militant Blind folks I've run into over the years.

Grumpy Dave


--
Dave <dlh007@...>



Re: Further to my Esata Issue

Carlos
 

I don't know of anywhere in Windows where this information is displayed. You may have to look up your motherboard's/chipset's specs to see if port multiplying is supported.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Further to my Esata Issue


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
For the record, these are the last set of eSATA cables I purchased which
seem to have good connectivity.

Further research indicates I need to determine if the card I am using supports port multiplying. Where in windows can I go to find that out? I was told this card does, but apparently, you have to turn on the feature, somehow.


Re: Further to my Esata Issue

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
For the record, these are the last set of eSATA cables I purchased which
seem to have good connectivity.

Further research indicates I need to determine if the card I am using supports port multiplying. Where in windows can I go to find that out? I was told this card does, but apparently, you have to turn on the feature, somehow.


Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Dave
 

I do find it a bit ironic that the pathetic people that live in Chicago
would call the Police if they needed Help. Isn't Chicago filled with
people who say they Hate all Police?

funny how that is, they don't want what they don't want, until they want
it, and then the Scream to High Heaven because they can't have what
they want.

Sounds like some Militant Blind folks I've run into over the years.

Grumpy Dave


--
Dave <dlh007@...>


Help with file explorer problem

BG <bernardgeorgiou@...>
 

Hi,

Can anyone help, I have a problem with file explorer. Since the last updates I cannot access any folders or links from the start menu or any others such as all programs choice and so on. I can open a folder using just the enter key but if I highlight a folder and right click it, and select open, it just takes me back to the desktop. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I have turned Explorer off and back on, I have run the microsoft tool for files and folders and I have cleanded out my system via C cleaner and still no change. Any help would be really appreciated.

Bernard


Re: Further to my Esata Issue

Carlos
 

For the record, these are the last set of eSATA cables I purchased which seem to have good connectivity.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V6QA282/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Further to my Esata Issue


I'm not sure. Check your eSATA cables. I have discovered over the years that the eSATA connection in general can suffer from poor connectivity and some cables just connect better than others.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Further to my Esata Issue


Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...> wrote:
While esata is plugged in, no matter what button I press on the enclosure, nothing seems to happen. No feeling of air from the fans. No drives whirring.
I should also add that, for esata interface on the computer, I have
RocketRAID 622 SATA Controller
The driver is installed and, according to device manager, working properly.


Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos
 


Yes, but you also took the opportunity to insult Gene as well.  And if you don't like being reminded that you can be extremely closed minded, tough.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 
Excuse me, why don’t you bother to read Jeff’s message before you jump all over me?    He said that he wasn’t comfortable with ribbon menus.  He has reiterated this more than once.  I encouraged him to try the JAWS virtual ribbon feature and not be discouraged by others who insist that trying this feature makes him less of a human being.  If you have a problem with that,tough.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 
As usual Gerald is quick to criticize and dismiss others opinions, but the minute you question some of his own attitudes, he accuses you of attacking him.  His dislike of ribbons just gives him something else to add to the long list of things that blind people supposedly either can't use well or can't do at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 
I always like to see people discouraging blind people from developing into more competent and confident computer users just because they don't like a feature.  I already sent an article to the list, did you read it, which explains that the JAWS Virtual ribbons are not as good an interface as ribbons and explains why in specific detail with an example or two.  If you don't like ribbons, fine.  If you want to discuss what you don't like about them, fine.  That's different from actively discouraging people from trying something new and from learning the feature.  And that's different from attacking those who encourage trying things you don't like and impuning their motives. 
 
Actively discouraging others from learning them is not a good idea. 
And we all know who you are insulting with your description of me as high and mighty.  Another ad hominem attack, which I discussed your propensity for yesterday.  I am not advocating that people use or at least try using ribbons out of what you term a high and mighty attitude.  I'm doing so because the real ribbons had certain advantages, if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons you are becoming dependent on JAWS and if you want to switch or consider switching to another screen-reader, you will be less likely to do so, and because if you don't try new things, you may not be as competent and confident a computer user in general.  I just love people who actively discourage others from learning and trying new things, especially those who discourage blind computer users from doing so.  Many blind people don't have the confidence it would be good if they had as blind computer users.  Trying new things may increase that confidence.  You never answered the specific objections to ribbons in the article I linked to on the subject about a week ago.  You never said, I tried this objection to see if it is right and it is or it isn't.  You never explained why the author's objections and mine to discouraging the use of real ribbons is incorrect.
 
And your attack completely backfired.  I wasn't going to comment on this thread at all but your insults caused me to decide to do so.  I wasn't going to comment because I had discussed everything I had to say about ribbons when the subject  came up about a week ago and I saw no reason to repeat what I had said.  But of course, without even waiting to see if I wrote anything in the thread, you just had to both attack me and actively discourage learning and trying something new.
 
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 

You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by enabling the JAWS
virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS Help menu, and scroll
down to the Start-Up wizard.  On the third page of the Start Up wizard,
check the box to enable virtual ribbons and click on the Okay button.  The
menus in Outlook will now appear like the classic menus you are familiar
with.  And don't let anyone discourage you from trying this feature because
of their high and mighty attitude that it is better to learn how to navigate
the ribbon menus than sticking with what you are comfortable with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

They don't have to be free.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I do not know any free ones, sorry!


--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View my website below.<p></p><p><br></p><p>[view
my website here](www.blindjournalist.wordpress.com)<br></p><p><br></p>





 




Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene
 

I didn't specifically comment on Jeff nor did I say, Jeff, learn and use ribbons.  I didn't dictate to anyone to learn and use ribbons.  I object to you actively discouraging people from doing so.  People may do what they like but they should be encouraged to try new things.  And you are discouraging that.  And I strongly object to that.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 
Jeff has reiterated that he is not comfortable with ribbon menus.  Because he is  a senior citizen, maybe he is just not comfortable learning new ways of doing things.  Stop being so intolerant of other list members and pretending that you know what’s best for them.  .  If he prefers classic menus, that is his perogative.     
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 
I always like to see people discouraging blind people from developing into more competent and confident computer users just because they don't like a feature.  I already sent an article to the list, did you read it, which explains that the JAWS Virtual ribbons are not as good an interface as ribbons and explains why in specific detail with an example or two.  If you don't like ribbons, fine.  If you want to discuss what you don't like about them, fine.  That's different from actively discouraging people from trying something new and from learning the feature.  And that's different from attacking those who encourage trying things you don't like and impuning their motives. 
 
Actively discouraging others from learning them is not a good idea. 
And we all know who you are insulting with your description of me as high and mighty.  Another ad hominem attack, which I discussed your propensity for yesterday.  I am not advocating that people use or at least try using ribbons out of what you term a high and mighty attitude.  I'm doing so because the real ribbons had certain advantages, if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons you are becoming dependent on JAWS and if you want to switch or consider switching to another screen-reader, you will be less likely to do so, and because if you don't try new things, you may not be as competent and confident a computer user in general.  I just love people who actively discourage others from learning and trying new things, especially those who discourage blind computer users from doing so.  Many blind people don't have the confidence it would be good if they had as blind computer users.  Trying new things may increase that confidence.  You never answered the specific objections to ribbons in the article I linked to on the subject about a week ago.  You never said, I tried this objection to see if it is right and it is or it isn't.  You never explained why the author's objections and mine to discouraging the use of real ribbons is incorrect.
 
And your attack completely backfired.  I wasn't going to comment on this thread at all but your insults caused me to decide to do so.  I wasn't going to comment because I had discussed everything I had to say about ribbons when the subject  came up about a week ago and I saw no reason to repeat what I had said.  But of course, without even waiting to see if I wrote anything in the thread, you just had to both attack me and actively discourage learning and trying something new.
 
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 

You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by enabling the JAWS
virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS Help menu, and scroll
down to the Start-Up wizard.  On the third page of the Start Up wizard,
check the box to enable virtual ribbons and click on the Okay button.  The
menus in Outlook will now appear like the classic menus you are familiar
with.  And don't let anyone discourage you from trying this feature because
of their high and mighty attitude that it is better to learn how to navigate
the ribbon menus than sticking with what you are comfortable with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

They don't have to be free.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I do not know any free ones, sorry!


--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View my website below.<p></p><p><br></p><p>[view
my website here](www.blindjournalist.wordpress.com)<br></p><p><br></p>





 




Re: Further to my Esata Issue

Carlos
 

I'm not sure. Check your eSATA cables. I have discovered over the years that the eSATA connection in general can suffer from poor connectivity and some cables just connect better than others.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Further to my Esata Issue


Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...> wrote:
While esata is plugged in, no matter what button I press on the enclosure, nothing seems to happen. No feeling of air from the fans. No drives whirring.
I should also add that, for esata interface on the computer, I have
RocketRAID 622 SATA Controller
The driver is installed and, according to device manager, working properly.


Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene
 

But with the growing interest in NVDA, dependence on JAWS, created by the JAWS designers, discourages people from saving money and trying another screen-reader.  I'm not assuming that the JAWS virtual ribbons are placed in JAWS to encourage dependence.  But the effect is to discourage people from trying other options that might serve them just as well at no cost except the cost of sending contributions, if they wish.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi all,

RE ribbons, scarlet or otherwise, I just use the ribbons in their
natural state.  It's not difficult.  It's not arcane  or mysterious. 
It's just like the regular menus except that they're arranged somewhat
differently.

Agree the virtual ribbons increase dependency on Jaws, but if that's
the only screen reader being used, and there's no employment or
educational goals, they work just fine.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gerald Levy
 

 
Excuse me, why don’t you bother to read Jeff’s message before you jump all over me?    He said that he wasn’t comfortable with ribbon menus.  He has reiterated this more than once.  I encouraged him to try the JAWS virtual ribbon feature and not be discouraged by others who insist that trying this feature makes him less of a human being.  If you have a problem with that,tough.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 
As usual Gerald is quick to criticize and dismiss others opinions, but the minute you question some of his own attitudes, he accuses you of attacking him.  His dislike of ribbons just gives him something else to add to the long list of things that blind people supposedly either can't use well or can't do at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 
I always like to see people discouraging blind people from developing into more competent and confident computer users just because they don't like a feature.  I already sent an article to the list, did you read it, which explains that the JAWS Virtual ribbons are not as good an interface as ribbons and explains why in specific detail with an example or two.  If you don't like ribbons, fine.  If you want to discuss what you don't like about them, fine.  That's different from actively discouraging people from trying something new and from learning the feature.  And that's different from attacking those who encourage trying things you don't like and impuning their motives. 
 
Actively discouraging others from learning them is not a good idea. 
And we all know who you are insulting with your description of me as high and mighty.  Another ad hominem attack, which I discussed your propensity for yesterday.  I am not advocating that people use or at least try using ribbons out of what you term a high and mighty attitude.  I'm doing so because the real ribbons had certain advantages, if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons you are becoming dependent on JAWS and if you want to switch or consider switching to another screen-reader, you will be less likely to do so, and because if you don't try new things, you may not be as competent and confident a computer user in general.  I just love people who actively discourage others from learning and trying new things, especially those who discourage blind computer users from doing so.  Many blind people don't have the confidence it would be good if they had as blind computer users.  Trying new things may increase that confidence.  You never answered the specific objections to ribbons in the article I linked to on the subject about a week ago.  You never said, I tried this objection to see if it is right and it is or it isn't.  You never explained why the author's objections and mine to discouraging the use of real ribbons is incorrect.
 
And your attack completely backfired.  I wasn't going to comment on this thread at all but your insults caused me to decide to do so.  I wasn't going to comment because I had discussed everything I had to say about ribbons when the subject  came up about a week ago and I saw no reason to repeat what I had said.  But of course, without even waiting to see if I wrote anything in the thread, you just had to both attack me and actively discourage learning and trying something new.
 
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
 

You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by enabling the JAWS
virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS Help menu, and scroll
down to the Start-Up wizard.  On the third page of the Start Up wizard,
check the box to enable virtual ribbons and click on the Okay button.  The
menus in Outlook will now appear like the classic menus you are familiar
with.  And don't let anyone discourage you from trying this feature because
of their high and mighty attitude that it is better to learn how to navigate
the ribbon menus than sticking with what you are comfortable with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

They don't have to be free.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I do not know any free ones, sorry!


--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View my website below.<p></p><p><br></p><p>[view
my website here](www.blindjournalist.wordpress.com)<br></p><p><br></p>





 




Re: Further to my Esata Issue

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...> wrote:
While esata is plugged in, no matter what button I press on the enclosure, nothing seems to happen. No feeling of air from the fans. No drives whirring.
I should also add that, for esata interface on the computer, I have
RocketRAID 622 SATA Controller
The driver is installed and, according to device manager, working properly.


Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Gene
 

In poor neighborhoods in cities, smart phones are by far the most common way residents use the Internet.  And please stop your inaccurate generalizations about Chicago residents and, by extension, other cities.  There are a lot of working, middle class, and upper middle class residents of Chicago.  Why do you think gentrification is such an issue in cities around the country? 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.


Yeah, Robb, you're right.  It is sad that Chicago has one of the highest
rates of murder and other violent crime of any major city in the US.  Just
ask the poor residents , many of whom are people of color and senior
citizens who live in crime-ridden housing projects and subsist on welfare
and food stamps whether their neighbors all have smart phones .

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
> The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call for
> help, but if they don’t have one, you can bet their friend or neighbor
> will have one!

That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I
haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from
talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit;
and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who
live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich
as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.

 





Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Carlos
 

LOL exactly how long is never?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.



And because Verizon and the other major phone companies have underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable, it may never be installed in these rural areas, where the cost of installing it to serve such small populations would be considered prohibitive.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
The reason why they want to get rid of the land line service here is because they claim it is costing to much money to keep it running, and because the majority of residents have either a smart phone or a cell phone!

And then there are places like rural Kentucky and Virginia/West Virginia, South Carolina, way down in rural Georgia, upstate New York and Vermont, way up north here in Minnesota and Wisconsin, where they still have phone networks that haven't been upgraded since the 50s or earlier. In those areas, you are lucky to get ADSL; and even then like I said, you are very lucky. Most places have to get by on 56k dialup. The other option is satellite internet which is still 150 300 dollars a month and even more, depending on the company. And if you have a cloudy day, there goes your twitter tweetin and facebook wallin. So, as hard as it is to believe when people are whining about only getting three bars of cell signal, there are still people out there who are lucky to get 56k dialup and scream for joy when they finally get 512k DSL.





Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Gene
 

That is completely incorrect.  there are certain specific areas in Chicago where gangs are dominant where there are a lot of killings.  for most residents who don't live in those areas, life goes on as usual.  That's one reason the murder problem isn't addressed more effectively.  It's easier not to address it affectively when most residents aren't affected. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
> The pitiful residents of Chicago, will use their smart phones to call for help, but if they don’t have one, you can bet their friend or neighbor will have one!

That's if their neighbors give a damn about them in the first place. I haven't been to Chicago except on the way to some place else, but from talking to people who live there it's a cesspool, almost as bad as Detroit; and who in their right mind wants to live in Detroit? Even the people who live in Detroit don't want to be there.
Anyway. There are nice spots to live in Chicago, but you have to be as rich as Donald Fracking Trump to afford them.




Re: AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

Gerald Levy
 

And because Verizon and the other major phone companies have underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable, it may never be installed in these rural areas, where the cost of installing it to serve such small populations would be considered prohibitive.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] AT&T Land Line Phone Service In Il.

janet gross <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
The reason why they want to get rid of the land line service here is because they claim it is costing to much money to keep it running, and because the majority of residents have either a smart phone or a cell phone!

And then there are places like rural Kentucky and Virginia/West Virginia, South Carolina, way down in rural Georgia, upstate New York and Vermont, way up north here in Minnesota and Wisconsin, where they still have phone networks that haven't been upgraded since the 50s or earlier. In those areas, you are lucky to get ADSL; and even then like I said, you are very lucky. Most places have to get by on 56k dialup. The other option is satellite internet which is still 150 300 dollars a month and even more, depending on the company. And if you have a cloudy day, there goes your twitter tweetin and facebook wallin. So, as hard as it is to believe when people are whining about only getting three bars of cell signal, there are still people out there who are lucky to get 56k dialup and scream for joy when they finally get 512k DSL.


Further to my Esata Issue

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

While esata is plugged in, no matter what button I press on the enclosure, nothing seems to happen. No feeling of air from the fans. No drives whirring.
I have to unplug it and replug it from the wall to get anything. Then it comes on, whirrs for a few second, then shuts itself back off again. What is happening?

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