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Re: GPS route planning

Chris Grabowski <skywalker@...>
 

You are correct.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:56:31 +0100
"Walter Ramage via Groups.Io" <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi. Ah, right, I see. So if I wanted I could just continue using whatever
licence I've purchased but if I wanted to update to the most current map I'd
have to pay the fee? Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris Grabowski
Sent: 15 September 2017 10:31
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

If you are talking about SenderoMaps the license is for the map year.
So if you buy it for $79 you get the product for the 2017 maps, not 2018
maps.
If you want to upgrade in 2020 you would pay the upgrade price.

The SenderoMaps is a virtual only product, IE it doesn't have live GPS
tracking. Sendero PC GPS is SenderoMaps but does have live GPS tracking.
The Sendero PC GPS is the $400 product.

Chris Grabowski
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:09:59 +0100
"Walter Ramage via Groups.Io" <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Edward. Right, went back in and had a better look and I found what you
mentioned. It did say $79 but it also said for a one year licence, does
that mean an annual charge of $79 indefinitely for as long as you want to
use the product? Walter.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 23:17
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning



Hi Walter,



I think what you need costs $79, as you don't need the GPS functionality
if
you're exploring the route virtually, unless of course you want to use
your
PC when you're out and about navigating the route.



Cheers,



Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:48, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io
<wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Edward. Thanks for that. I've just looked at their sight and they
want
$400 for their maps. I'm a little bit confused because for that $400 I
don't know what I get, especially when I notice that "additional" map
bundles for various countries are available. For example Europe is $48
but
is that $48 on top of the $400? It does sound rather expensive for what
it
offers unless there is a lot more to it than I'm imagining. Walter.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 22:28
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning



Hi Walter,



If you have a PC, Sendero PC Maps will do what you want.



Cheers,



Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 21:40, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io
<wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all. When the trekker maestro was current it was possible to plan a
route by entering an origin point then the destination point. You could
then examine the route before attempting it. In other words from my home
I
could set the origin point as a train station hundreds of miles from my
location and put in the destination; say a hotel or restaurant and preview
the route in advance. When the Trekker Maestro was discontinued and the
Trekker Breeze, then the Breeze plus took it's place that feature was
discontinued. As I understand it the new Victor Reader Trek will also not
have this helpful feature. Does anybody know of an accessible GPS system
that does have this feature or iPhone app that has the feature? I have
Blindsquare and it doesn't have this ability. I've listened to podcasts
about the RNIB navigator but that also didn't appear to have this feature.
In looking for something with that feature It would appear that the
emphasis
with accessible GPS is more on orientation than route finding or planning.
By the way, I'm in the UK so that might limit what is available or can be
suggested. Walter.


Chris Grabowski
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Re: low-cost jaws information

Josh Kennedy
 

I agree with Pablo here. VFO should reduce the cost of Jaws licenses because they will sell a lot more of them that way.



On 9/15/2017 9:44 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

However, I think that VFO would be able to make a lot more money is they change their business strategy. Look amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft, and other huge business. They reduce the cost of their products and at the same time more people wants to buy. If they sale their products very expensive, how much market they are going to get. If they reduce the cost, how much they are going to sale, and how much profit they are going to make?

How many people in United States, that is a develop country  are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

How many people in other developed countries are able to pay that amount?

50% of the visually impaired people with computers?

I don’t think so, it is a lot less, and in many cases visually impaired people don’t buy computers or are not interested to learn how to use a computer due to the high cost of the jaws license.

How many people in the world, in the developing countries are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

It is the annual income for most people in the developing countries. How many people is able to pay their whole annual income in a jaws license?

1% maybe?

I don’t think so, it should be less than that.

If VFO copy Microsoft or other companies business strategy, they will be able to make a lot more money, and reduce the cracking of software. It is a very common custom in developing countries because they are no able to pay their annual income in a jaws license.

If in the demand and supply graphic we put down the cost, the demand curve shift to the right. That VFO will not make enough money?

I don’t understand why not, they are going to increase their sales by a lot more than currently they are selling. They don’t need to use any natural resource, they are not going to pay more power, or more employees, so their production cost is going to be the same.

The problem is that you guys are believing that if VFO decrease their cost for the jaws license, the same number of people is going to buy the same number of licenses. It is not true. They are going to sale more. Because more people will buy jaws.,

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

 

Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?

 

Gerald

 

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From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno

On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:

I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information



That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:

Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: low-cost jaws information

Josh Kennedy
 

the name of the phone rep is Hal night. his number is 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101.



On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 


On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 


On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 


On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:
I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:
I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information


That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Carolyn Arnold
 

I don't know who you are asking, Ann, since you don't have
any other messages in your post, but I am leaving Verizon
for Consumer Cellular. Over the years, I've used just about
all of them and probably some that are not in business now,
only one I can think of that I missed is T-Mobile. I haven't
used the Wal-Mart ones yet, Jitter Bug, Total Wireless,
Trackfone - those, but the rest I have. I even saw somewhere
that Houston Cellular still exists, which I would not have
gussed and Cingular. I've used those plus AT&T and Sprint.

My husband doesn't get concerned about phone companies, but
it makes him nervous that I shop for the best deal I can for
Medicare supplements and jump from one to another.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Hi all,

What carrier do you have?

Ann P.

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Intro and Modem Question

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

I’m Sharon Hooley. I don’t remember posting here before, but I see that it’s got a good amount of traffic. Thanks to those who keep it running!

Anyway, is there such a thing as a USB cable for wireless modems? I’ve used the phone jack on laptops before, but my Mac doesn’t have that kind of setup. I’d like to get the most out of my 12 BPM data.

Thanks,


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Pamela Dominguez
 

Think of the letters: q w e r t y. That's part of the row above the home row. So, they called it that. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: janet gross
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Hi Carlos,
So it is called qwerty keyboard. I never heard of the keyboard being called
that. Thank you. I was just curious because some of my friends say they
have a bit of trouble using the phone's keypad, and I was wondering why that
would be if they used the computer keyboard for several years. I just
thought by being used to using the computer keyboard, it would be easy to
use the phone's keypad as well.
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Yes. I know what you meant. That is referred to as a qwerty keyboard.
Unfortunately, the question does not really apply since very few Android
phones have any kind of physical keyboard at all. There are some exceptions
such as the BlackBerry PRIV and BlackBerry KeyOne which do have physical
qwerty keyboards, but you cannot use their keyboards for navigation. Now
there is also the Samsung Folder 2 which as I said has a numeric keypad for
texting, but does allow navigation with buttons.
----- Original Message -----
From: "janet gross" <janet.harvard@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Hi Carlos,
How are you doing? I'm talking about say for example, on my Apple phone when
I'm typing using the keypad, it is laid out like the keyboard on my pc
meaning all the letters are in the same place as on the computer keyboard.
Is Android's keypad the same? ? ?
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I don't know if you are referring to the Folder 2, but if so then no. It
does not have a qwerty keyboard. It seems to have a numeric keypad for
dialing and texting like on other flip/feature phones.
----- Original Message -----
From: "janet gross" <janet.harvard@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Olusegun,
Talk to T-Mobile about donating a Galaxy Note8, well, you can bet I surely
will try! No promises though! Lol! I heard a rumor T-Mobile is going to
be having a better deal in a few weeks, so my restless legs slowed down
today. I'm going to take the chance of waiting it out to see what the next
deal is! Just out of curiosity, is the Android keypad laid out like the
keyboard on a pc?
Janet

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Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Sis Janet wrote in part:

"Watch those restless legs they might cost you some money! Lol! My
restless legs will be on the prow tomorrow at the T-Mobile store!"

Hmm, whilst there, could you convince TMobile to donate a Galaxy Note8 to
EPF? Who knows ... They might donate two, one for you and one for me!

A donation from TMobile to the Empty Pocket Foundation will be a good tax
write-off for TMobile in 2017 and maybe that will challenge me to write
better since I'll be using a note just like a book!

As for my restless legs, it's a shame they don't speak or understand
English! They speak a deprecated language that's nameless, but my poor,
memory-chip infested brain keeps obeying their commands! I'll sentence them
to three months in jail for daring to wander.

As for yesterday's wine, if you still wish to explore Android, the likes of
LG K10 or LG V10 should be reasonably-priced now especially since the LG V30
will soon hit the marketplace. You could also look at Galaxy S6 although it
doesn't have an SD card slot. I personally won't touch a smart device
without one--I'm not OLD SCHOOL, I'm just irredeemably beyond ancient
school! In Android land, we still want to anoint you Senior Android
Apostle, so don't chicken out quite yet from exploring our wine offerings!

Sincerely,
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Re: GPS route planning

Walter Ramage
 

Hi.  OK, then it is going to take a lot of thinking because there are so many options as regards Sendero.  It might be worth the ongoing expense but I'm just embarking on an expensive hi-Fi upgrade so expenditure on the Sendero option might have to wait until I find out just how much this hi-fi upgrade is going to come to.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 15 September 2017 10:22
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

It might be worth confirming this with Sendero, but I believe there is a licence renewal fee.  However, I don't think it's as high as purchasing the initial licence - it may be around $50.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed 


On 15 Sep 2017, at 09:09, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Right, went back in and had a better look and I found what you mentioned.  It did say $79 but it also said for a one year licence, does that mean an annual charge of $79 indefinitely for as long as you want to use the product?  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 23:17
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

I think what you need costs $79, as you don't need the GPS functionality if you're exploring the route virtually, unless of course you want to use your PC when you're out and about navigating the route.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed 


On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:48, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Thanks for that.  I've just looked at their sight and they want $400 for their maps.  I'm a little bit confused because for that $400 I don't know what I get, especially when I notice that "additional" map bundles for various countries are available.  For example Europe is $48 but is that $48 on top of the $400?  It does sound rather expensive for what it offers unless there is a lot more to it than I'm imagining.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 22:28
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

If you have a PC, Sendero PC Maps will do what you want.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed 


On 14 Sep 2017, at 21:40, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi all.  When the trekker maestro was current it was possible to plan a route by entering an origin point then the destination point.  You could then examine the route before attempting it.  In other words from my home I could set the origin point as a train station hundreds of miles from my location and put in the destination; say a hotel or restaurant and preview the route in advance.  When the Trekker Maestro was discontinued and the Trekker Breeze, then the Breeze plus took it's place that feature was discontinued.  As I understand it the new Victor Reader Trek will also not have this helpful feature.  Does anybody know of an accessible GPS system that does have this feature or iPhone app that has the feature?  I have Blindsquare and it doesn't have this ability.  I've listened to podcasts about the RNIB navigator but that also didn't appear to have this feature.  In looking for something with that feature It would appear that the emphasis with accessible GPS is more on orientation than route finding or planning.  By the way, I'm in the UK so that might limit what is available or can be suggested.  Walter.


Re: GPS route planning

Walter Ramage
 

Hi. Ah, right, I see. So if I wanted I could just continue using whatever
licence I've purchased but if I wanted to update to the most current map I'd
have to pay the fee? Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris Grabowski
Sent: 15 September 2017 10:31
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

If you are talking about SenderoMaps the license is for the map year.
So if you buy it for $79 you get the product for the 2017 maps, not 2018
maps.
If you want to upgrade in 2020 you would pay the upgrade price.

The SenderoMaps is a virtual only product, IE it doesn't have live GPS
tracking. Sendero PC GPS is SenderoMaps but does have live GPS tracking.
The Sendero PC GPS is the $400 product.

Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
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Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while
actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer
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exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:09:59 +0100
"Walter Ramage via Groups.Io" <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Edward. Right, went back in and had a better look and I found what you
mentioned. It did say $79 but it also said for a one year licence, does
that mean an annual charge of $79 indefinitely for as long as you want to
use the product? Walter.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 23:17
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning



Hi Walter,



I think what you need costs $79, as you don't need the GPS functionality
if
you're exploring the route virtually, unless of course you want to use
your
PC when you're out and about navigating the route.



Cheers,



Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:48, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io
<wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Edward. Thanks for that. I've just looked at their sight and they
want
$400 for their maps. I'm a little bit confused because for that $400 I
don't know what I get, especially when I notice that "additional" map
bundles for various countries are available. For example Europe is $48
but
is that $48 on top of the $400? It does sound rather expensive for what
it
offers unless there is a lot more to it than I'm imagining. Walter.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 22:28
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning



Hi Walter,



If you have a PC, Sendero PC Maps will do what you want.



Cheers,



Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 21:40, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io
<wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all. When the trekker maestro was current it was possible to plan a
route by entering an origin point then the destination point. You could
then examine the route before attempting it. In other words from my home
I
could set the origin point as a train station hundreds of miles from my
location and put in the destination; say a hotel or restaurant and preview
the route in advance. When the Trekker Maestro was discontinued and the
Trekker Breeze, then the Breeze plus took it's place that feature was
discontinued. As I understand it the new Victor Reader Trek will also not
have this helpful feature. Does anybody know of an accessible GPS system
that does have this feature or iPhone app that has the feature? I have
Blindsquare and it doesn't have this ability. I've listened to podcasts
about the RNIB navigator but that also didn't appear to have this feature.
In looking for something with that feature It would appear that the
emphasis
with accessible GPS is more on orientation than route finding or planning.
By the way, I'm in the UK so that might limit what is available or can be
suggested. Walter.


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Re: low-cost jaws information

Pablo Morales
 

However, I think that VFO would be able to make a lot more money is they change their business strategy. Look amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft, and other huge business. They reduce the cost of their products and at the same time more people wants to buy. If they sale their products very expensive, how much market they are going to get. If they reduce the cost, how much they are going to sale, and how much profit they are going to make?

How many people in United States, that is a develop country  are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

How many people in other developed countries are able to pay that amount?

50% of the visually impaired people with computers?

I don’t think so, it is a lot less, and in many cases visually impaired people don’t buy computers or are not interested to learn how to use a computer due to the high cost of the jaws license.

How many people in the world, in the developing countries are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

It is the annual income for most people in the developing countries. How many people is able to pay their whole annual income in a jaws license?

1% maybe?

I don’t think so, it should be less than that.

If VFO copy Microsoft or other companies business strategy, they will be able to make a lot more money, and reduce the cracking of software. It is a very common custom in developing countries because they are no able to pay their annual income in a jaws license.

If in the demand and supply graphic we put down the cost, the demand curve shift to the right. That VFO will not make enough money?

I don’t understand why not, they are going to increase their sales by a lot more than currently they are selling. They don’t need to use any natural resource, they are not going to pay more power, or more employees, so their production cost is going to be the same.

The problem is that you guys are believing that if VFO decrease their cost for the jaws license, the same number of people is going to buy the same number of licenses. It is not true. They are going to sale more. Because more people will buy jaws.,

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

 

Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?

 

Gerald

 

?

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno

On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:

I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information



That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:

Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Robert Kingett <kingettr@...>
 

I forgot this paid option. Below. It is an add in.

http://www.addintools.com/index.html


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Re: GPS route planning

Chris Grabowski <skywalker@...>
 

He said a future update but it was high priority, not the "next update."

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:34:34 -0400
"Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email> wrote:

Hi all,

According to the info obtained from Greg Stilson's podcast on Accessible World, of last Monday, this feature will be added in the next update to the Stream Trek.

Ann P.

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Re: low-cost jaws information

Carlos
 


Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 
Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?
 
Gerald
 
?
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 
How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno
On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 


On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 


On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 


On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:
I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:
I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information


That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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windows defender?

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Since upgrade to windows10 creator I have been unable to manually run a scan using windows defender.
Is there a way to achieve this task please?, Billy


Re: Cost of New IPhone

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

What carrier do you have?

Ann P.

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Pamela Dominguez
 

During hurricane sandy, electricity and cable were out, but Verizon’s landline service still worked.  Cell service was iffy if you had a charged up phone.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
These points occurred to me on further reflection.  In considering the question of land line service for emergencies, what kinds of emergencies are we talking about?  Florida, obviously, is vulnerable to very severe hurricanes.  In other parts of the country where disasters have a high or somewhat high probability, they would often be of a very different nature.  In a very bad hurricane, phone lines might be knocked down so one question is, would land line service be expected to be more reliable under those conditions?  It depends on the severity of the hurricane but my point is that it can't just be assumed that, regardless of the disaster, land line service will be more reliable. 
 
Also, at least now, cellular service is more vulnerable to disruption in many kinds of disaster than the old copper wire network.  But we should be comparing copper wire and fiber optic service.  Of course, if you lose power in a disaster, you may have a battery backup but the ones I've heard about only last twelve hours.  But does that mean twelve hours of using the phone or does it mean twelve hours since the loss of power?  I don't know.  and, as I said before, what about those with emergency generators?  they could have power as long as they have fuel to provide it.  My point is that the kind of dichomoty being presented may not be the proper way to discuss the subject.  Copper wire equals more reliable, fiber optic equals less, may not be a proper way to discuss the question because it doesn't account for various factors that affect the answer in different areas.
 
Here is a little more information about how many people still have copper lines. 
http://nypost.com/2017/05/04/why-nearly-46-percent-of-household-still-have-landlines/
USTelecom, a trade group for traditional phone companies, estimates that true landlines — the copper kind — now connect fewer than 20 percent of households.
the article doesn't make this clear but it appears, from this statement, that the 46 percent total is arrived at by counting fiber optic phone service as a land line. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
your ability to sling ad homanem arguments on completely unrelated subjects is astounding and reduces your arguments, whether valid or not by making them petty and vinddictave, and inaccurate.  I now use Life Lock.  I signed up with them because it appeared to me that my former service was not as thorough.  I'm willing to consider alternatives as I get more information.  for example, I've read argguments that taking steps such as freezing your credit bureau accounts and taking a few other actions may render credit protection of considerably less importance and that it may be that credit protection isn't particularly useful.  Which side is right?  I don't know.  Is either side right?  I don't know.  but at this time, I choose to spend some money for what may be protection that may be of some value.  That isn't paranoia.  It may not be necessary, but hardly paranoid.  but to say that I can't live without something is simply an ad hominem argument and is completely unrelated to the subject we are discussing.
 
Now, to return to the subject we were discussing:
Things may have changed.  A year or two ago, I read articles about the soon to come demise of the old copper system.  Your information is worth considering and may indicate that the copper system will be around longer than was previously thought.  But it's dying, whether a faster or a slower death. 
 
The extreme what ifs are hardly a proper way to determine how to spend money by businesses or governments or people.  What if this horrible very low probability event occurred?  What if that very unlikely low probability ev ent occurred?  Before you know it, we would be personally bankrupt and bankrupt as a country by preparing for every single what if event. 
 
If you want to use the copper network and if others do, fine.  But you aren't assessing the risks and benefits.  There may be certain parts of the country that are more prone to disasters where it makes more sense to do so.  But saying, in general, that people should cling to the old copper network, paying considerably more money each month for slower Internet service than if they switch to fiber optic service if they don't live in high probability disaster areas, is simply not rational cost/benefit analysis.  Chicago, new York City, Madison Wisconsin, and so on, are low probability candidates for the kinds of terrible disasters you are worried about.  Yet you cling to the copper network because of a low or very low probability "what if." 
 
What about emergency generators to keep your modem working and kieep your phone service during emergencies?  What about the battery backup feature you can get for disasters?  I don't know if the battery backup runs down even if you don't use the service or if you can stretch it out for a long time if you use it sparingly. 
 
To take another example, I live on the third floor of a building that has stairs.  there is a very low probability that I'll fall down the stairs.  Should I not live in the building for that reason when there are many things aoub t the building and the community I like?  Just seizing on one possible problem or known deficiency to the exclusion of all sorts of other factors is not proper decision-making.  It is elevating one possibility over everything else and not doing any sort of cost/benefit analysis nor considering whether the probability is high enough to be worth worrying about.  and all sorts of decisions people make every day are based on probabilities, whether they consider them consciously or not.  Is it worth the risk of crossing a street to go somewhere when you consider the low probability of me being hit by a car when compared with the benefits of crossing the street?  and so on for decision after decision.
 
there is the very low probability of such a disaster in the area where you live and there is also the very low probability that you will have a heart attack or a stroke or some other such emergency while service is out.  If you want to spend perhaps forty dollars more a month for the combination of much slower Internet speed and standard phone service, which except for the possibility of loss during a disaster, is indistinguishable in quality from fiber optic service, that's your privelege.  But advocating repeatedly that everyone should have this fear and that it is on its face, without question, the correct decision and policy all over the country is just wrong. 
 
Have you seen what happens to your beloved phone service during a disaster or some sort of more or less emergency?  During the 1967 blizzard in Chicago, as a teenager, I saw how people had to wait often minutes for a dial tone during the first day or two of the extreme blizzard.  The system was overloaded.  So don't assume that just having wired service is some sort of paradise during disaster. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
 
You are totally wrong about this issue.  For a blind person living alone, especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack or stroke?  How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone?  Do you really believe that this could never happen to you?  Well, it happened to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both  after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to get help.  And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.  It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on contractual obligations to install it.  Here in New York, Verizon has abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city, which is suing them for breach of contract.  And the state public service commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring to be around where I live for a very long time.  And as long as we’re on the subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc “protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business practices.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 
Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service.  And if you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia.  It's like the old get a horse crowd.  If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example, to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable shelter. 
 
And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway.  the old archaic copper network is going to be completely shut down.  already, so many people have stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user.  I wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four years. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
 

Good for him!  Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



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From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

> That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
> so

> she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If

> you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over

> 55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather

>

> Heather Albright

> Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> ham call sign:

> kd5cbl

> e-mail:

> kd5cbl@...

>

> From: Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the

> iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't

> remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with

> Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over

> three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.

>

> Best from,

>

> Carolyn

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales

> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay

> their bills, or when they try to buy something and they

> can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that

> they are not understanding how works this business.

> We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela

> Dominguez

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,

> as long as they don't see the price all at once.  Pam.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Hudson

> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

>

> Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

>> Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other

> expensive

>> smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell

> provider.

>

> Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other

> surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the

> term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper

> relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and

> go on that canned tuna diet.

>

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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Pamela Dominguez
 

I really hope they don't go away any time soon. Have you noticed that cell
service has been getting worse, lately instead of better? At least in the
New York and Long Island area, you have to guess as to whether you will
actually get a signal. If it were just my phone, I would say it was broken,
but most of the people I know have been getting bad signals, or no signal.
The only person I know of who doesn't seem to have been effected by this is
my friend Virginia who lives in Merrick, Long Island. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Once business stop having land lines, then we can kiss them goodbye.
Eventually, they probably will be discontinued in homes first, as fewer and
fewer people have them and as cell towers improve in durability and quality.
My guess is that within the next ten years, it will be the minority of the
population who has hard wired phones. Indeed, they do carry us through power
outages. I'd get rid of ours tonight, but it is important to my husband for
us to keep them, and as patient and good as that man is to me, if a land
line makes life better for him, then it's a good thing to keep.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


You are totally wrong about this issue. For a blind person living alone,
especially seniors with medical and physical problems, having reliable phone
service in an emergency is absolutely essential, and could mean the
difference between life and death. What if you suddenly had a heart attack
or stroke? How would you summon help if you don’t have a working phone? Do
you really believe that this could never happen to you? Well, it happened
to dozens of people in New Orleans, most of them disabled or seniors or both
after Hurricane Katrina who died because they did not have working phones to
get help. And contrary to your unfounded assertion, copper wiring isn’t
going to be replaced in many parts of the country for many years, if ever.
It turns out that Verizon underestimated the cost of installing fiber optic
cable in many urban areas, and in some cases has even renegged on
contractual obligations to install it. Here in New York, Verizon has
abandoned plans too install fiber optic cable in all parts of the city,
which is suing them for breach of contract. And the state public service
commision has forbidden them from removing copper wiring and replacing it
with fiber optic cable: they must keep the copper wiring in place if they
want to also install fiber optic cable. So I expect reliable copper wiring
to be around where I live for a very long time. And as long as we’re on the
subject of paranoia, you’re the one who can’t live without Lifeloc
“protection”, a service of dubious value from a company that has been
heavily fined by the FTC for engaging in fraudulent and deceptive business
practices.

Gerald



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

Maybe those people have much more to worry about than phone service. And if
you live in areas not prone to natural disasters putting ttoo much emphasis
on this possibility is misplaced luddite paranoia. It's like the old get a
horse crowd. If something so severe occurs in an area that power is lost
and may be lost for weeks, for a lot, perhaps most people, being able to
make calls would be, I would think a distant problem compared for example,
to getting fresh watter, getting food, and perhaps finding a tolerable
shelter.

And sooner or later, it will be academic anyway. the old archaic copper
network is going to be completely shut down. already, so many people have
stopped using it that it is unreasonably costly to maintain per user. I
wouldn't be surprised if no more copper networks exist within three to four
years.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


Good for him! Millions of people who live in Florida and Texas who now have
no power, and may not have it restored for weeks probably regret giving up
their reliable copper-wire land line phones in favor of cell phones that
they cannot use until the power is restored and the cell towers rebuilt.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

I'd dump that thing today, but my husband wants to keep the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone


But what about the cost of your land line phone?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

We can get two lines at Consumer, and our AARP membership for about $40 for
the two lines plus tax, of course, about $45 a month. I have a few friends
who has it and are very satisfied with performance and service.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone

No just sign up for the membership threw the main site. It is 10 dollars but
it will take like over 100 dollars off the phone. My plan was like 130 but,
I only pay 105 a month. So add the savings 1560 1260 equals 300 a year you
can save. Heather



Heather Albright
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call sign:
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e-mail:
kd5cbl@gmail.com <mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com>



From: Peter Spitz <mailto:peter.a.spitz@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone



OK, this is a stupid question but do you have to be a member of the

NFB to qualify for the discount?



Peter



On 9/13/17, heather albright <kd5cbl@gmail.com <mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com> >
wrote:

That is why I have te-mobile and the NFB discount. Now my mom is over 55
so
she wants to sign us for that plan for unlimited for 60 for two lines. If
you have more than one line and over age 55 or if the other person is over
55, I highly recommend this plan. It is 60 no taxes. Cheers Heather
Heather Albright
Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
ham call sign:
kd5cbl
e-mail:
kd5cbl@gmail.com <mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com>
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Yet my Verizon bill is as high as when I started with the
iPhone 4S that supposedly was a penny or 99 cents, I can't
remember which, but less than a dollar. So I checked with
Verizon to see if the two of us could go cheaper now, over
three years later with prepaid - no go, same price.
Best from,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Yes, they do. When every month they have problems to pay
their bills, or when they try to buy something and they
can't save money is when they notice it. The problem is that
they are not understanding how works this business.
We notice it, but whe are not thinking why it happen.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Most people don't notice that, or they don't seem to care,
as long as they don't see the price all at once. Pam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Cost of New IPhone
Carlos <carlos1106@gmx.com <mailto:carlos1106@gmx.com> > wrote:
Most people get an iPhone the same way they get any other
expensive
smart phone, as part of a contract or deal with the cell
provider.
Yeah but then you get gouged with interest and other
surcharges, which makes the phone more expensive over the
term of the contract lol. So it's probably cheaper
relatively speaking to just plunk down your credit card and
go on that canned tuna diet.
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Re: low-cost jaws information

Gerald Levy
 

 
Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?
 
Gerald
 
?
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 
How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno
On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 


On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 


On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 


On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:
I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:
I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information


That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: low-cost jaws information

Carlos
 


How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno
On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 


On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 


On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information
 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 


On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:
I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:
I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information


That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:
Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:
hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos
 

Yes indeed.  I did not initially realize that the standalone programs were being discussed, but as you say, I'm not quite sure how that was translated into being or allowing others to be judgmental.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

There appears to bea misunderstanding.  Jeff appears to have been asking about the program's Mike was talking about and you evidently thought he was asking about the JAWS virtual ribbons.  But how that misunderstanding was misinterpreted to elicit a hostile response, I'm not sure.  but in some way, Jeff misinterpreted their meaning or intent.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Give up on what?  I have no idea to what you are referring.  I was simply providing information.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos,

You just don’t give up, do you?

Jeff From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

It is not a program.  It is a feature of JAWS.  If JAWS is uninstalled, the feature will not work.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Hi,

Gerald turned me on to using the virtual ribbons in jaws.  I really like the change.  Is this program designed to return the old menu structure in all its glory?

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Hi Jeffrey,

 

Came across this thread in my notes.  It might be just what you're looking for:

From: Dujari, Prateek
yes I'm a huge proponent and very pleased user of 'classic menus for office' for both office 07 and office 10 which can be purchased at

 

www.addintools.com.  Very simple, everything is totally accessible. Once installed and activated, hitting alt Q together and then q again brings up the classic menu in all its glory.
 
Prateek
 
From: CM54
It looks to be about $40
 
I also came across a free option at:

 

 

Has anyone tried this option with Jaws?
CM
 

From: Dujari, Prateek
this free option is only for Office home /student and thus only applies to Word, Excel and PowerPoint. If that is all u care about then sure it should work for free.
 
Prateek
 
From: Glen Jan
Direct link to the office menu purchase / download page.  It is a bit of
a dog's breakfast though:

 

 

Glen

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

I'm not ignorant,  I have a Ph.d. in my field and before I retired I was the
go to guy for computers at my work site and for virtually all blind users at
the entire VA system I may be a bit long in the tooth, but I simply want the
old menu structure.  What advantage did MS think it was providing with these
ribbons?  My sighted friends hate them as much as I do.  Why should we be
forced to Learn a whole new way of doing things just so MS could make more
money?  I'd really be grateful to anyone who could point me to such a
program.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi all,

RE ribbons, scarlet or otherwise, I just use the ribbons in their natural
state.  It's not difficult.  It's not arcane  or mysterious. 
It's just like the regular menus except that they're arranged somewhat
differently.

Agree the virtual ribbons increase dependency on Jaws, but if that's the
only screen reader being used, and there's no employment or educational
goals, they work just fine.

Ann P.

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Re: GPS route planning

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

According to the info obtained from Greg Stilson's podcast on Accessible World, of last Monday, this feature will be added in the next update to the Stream Trek.

Ann P.

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