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Re: Computer Poem

Michael Boyd <mike122061@...>
 

 

 

I like it Mike. I can relate!

 

Michael

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Computer Poem

 

Hi All,

 

Just thought many list members would enjoy the following:

 

A computer was something on TV
> From a science fiction show of note
A window was something you hated to clean
And ram was the cousin of a goat.

Meg was the name of someone's girlfriend
And gig was a job for the nights
Now they all mean different things
And that really mega bytes.

An application was for employment
A program was a TV show
A cursor used profanity
A keyboard was a piano.

Memory was something that you lost with age
A CD was a bank account
And if you had a 3 inch floppy
You hoped nobody found out.

Compress was something you did to the garbage
Not something you did to a file
And if you unzipped anything in public
You'd be in jail for a while.

Log on was adding wood to the fire
Hard drive was a long trip on the road
A mouse pad was where a mouse lived
And a backup happened to your commode.

Cut you did with a pocket knife
Paste you did with glue
A web was a spider's home
And a virus was the flu.

I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper
And the memory in my head
I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash
But when it happens they wish they were dead.

Author unknown

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Open Source Textbooks URL

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Thought some list members would be interested in the info below:

It's amazing how many open-source textbooks you can get, and the listing is here in this PDF:
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: GPS route planning

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

There's a version of Nearby Explorer that's free, but you will most
certainly need data to use it because it requires connection to the
Internet.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Computer Poem

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

oh my that is really good.



On 9/15/2017 4:39 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,
 
Just thought many list members would enjoy the following:

A computer was something on TV
> From a science fiction show of note
A window was something you hated to clean
And ram was the cousin of a goat.

Meg was the name of someone's girlfriend
And gig was a job for the nights
Now they all mean different things
And that really mega bytes.

An application was for employment
A program was a TV show
A cursor used profanity
A keyboard was a piano.

Memory was something that you lost with age
A CD was a bank account
And if you had a 3 inch floppy
You hoped nobody found out.

Compress was something you did to the garbage
Not something you did to a file
And if you unzipped anything in public
You'd be in jail for a while.

Log on was adding wood to the fire
Hard drive was a long trip on the road
A mouse pad was where a mouse lived
And a backup happened to your commode.

Cut you did with a pocket knife
Paste you did with glue
A web was a spider's home
And a virus was the flu.

I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper
And the memory in my head
I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash
But when it happens they wish they were dead.

Author unknown

 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: Cost of New IPhone

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Sis Pam wrote:

"Unfortunately, I bought the talking power bank, and it doesn't have a cable
that fits my cellphone, or a place to plug in my cellphone charger."

Hmm, that's odd! If memory serves, you have the N95 which is a Nokia phone.
Assuming I am right, it should have come with a USB plug at one end, and the
other end would go into your cell phone.

There was a 6,000 mAh talking power bank no longer made. If that's the one
you have, it should have a USB port to plug in your charger. Most of the
cables attached to the power bank I'm talking about are for Apple devices.
I'll be shocked if your power bank, talking or not, doesn't come with at
least one USB port.

Even though I have an S5 touch screen phone, I still use the N86 charger to
charge this phone using a power bank. Though I gave away my N86 eons ago to
someone in a third country, the recipient didn't want the charger; that's
why I still have it around and it works like a charm! I also have several
10-feet long phone chargers that I also deploy.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Automatically forwarding emails with Gmail online

Jujube
 

Go to settings, find forwarding and pop/imap, and go from there. It
should, in theory, work.

On 9/14/17, Peter Spitz <peter.a.spitz@gmail.com> wrote:
I want to have all the emails in one of my Gmail accounts forwarded to
another Gmail account. I cannot find where I would do this on the
webpage. Is this possible?

Thanks,

Peter




Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos
 

Sigh.  I am not unwilling to drop the subject for the sake of avoiding further conflict and so that we can move on, but for future reference, I don't appreciate unsupported accusations which are now starting to cross the line into becoming insulting.  If you didn't want to discuss or support your accusations, then you should have never made them to begin with.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos,

I’m not going to waste ours going through my trash bin to provide you with specific examples.  I’m done with this and will simply delete any e mails that come in with this topic line..  If you find it necessary to clear your  name  with other, I think you do protest too much   Finally, this has nothing to do with Gene.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

And I don't know that Jeff necessarily confused Gene's statements with my own.  His replies to Gene's messages would seem to indicate that is not the case.  Although it is possible he may have misinterpreted something I said which is why I asked for particular references.  Although I find the statement that I supposedly did everything possible to discourage him from using the virtual ribbon option in JAWS to be very specific, but unsupported.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

If there was a misunderstanding, that is unfortunate.  Misunderstandings are inevitable, but neither Carlos nor I wrote dictatorial messages.

 

I don't know just what passage or passages Jeff objects to in Carlos' messages.  If Carlos said something like, you don't need more computer skills to work with ribbons, or some variation of that statement and there are many possible ways to say it, he wasn't denegrading anyone or any skill level.  He was simply saying that working with ribbons doesn't require more skill than working with menus, it just requires learning how to work with a different structure.  He was talking about whether ribbons are difficult to use.  He wasn't saying that anyone should use them. 

 

If a salesman says, this product is so easy to use, a five-year-old could use it, he isn't saying anything about the prospective purchaser.  He is telling the prospective customer that the item is very simple to use and that's all.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.

I offer no opinion as to whether or not you meant it that way; just that the poster was seeming to indicate such feelings. I don't care about the subject one way or another. The messages he was talking about came from you, whereas Carlos seemed to remain objectively neutral.



Re: GPS route planning

Walter Ramage
 

Hi.  Thanks, I'll have a look.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: 15 September 2017 21:20
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Have you tried out one of the online mapping sites. Both Google and Map Quest can do what you need for free.

Marie

 

 

From: Walter Ramage via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:01 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi.  OK, then it is going to take a lot of thinking because there are so many options as regards Sendero.  It might be worth the ongoing expense but I'm just embarking on an expensive hi-Fi upgrade so expenditure on the Sendero option might have to wait until I find out just how much this hi-fi upgrade is going to come to.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 15 September 2017 10:22
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

It might be worth confirming this with Sendero, but I believe there is a licence renewal fee.  However, I don't think it's as high as purchasing the initial licence - it may be around $50.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 15 Sep 2017, at 09:09, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Right, went back in and had a better look and I found what you mentioned.  It did say $79 but it also said for a one year licence, does that mean an annual charge of $79 indefinitely for as long as you want to use the product?  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 23:17
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

I think what you need costs $79, as you don't need the GPS functionality if you're exploring the route virtually, unless of course you want to use your PC when you're out and about navigating the route.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:48, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Thanks for that.  I've just looked at their sight and they want $400 for their maps.  I'm a little bit confused because for that $400 I don't know what I get, especially when I notice that "additional" map bundles for various countries are available.  For example Europe is $48 but is that $48 on top of the $400?  It does sound rather expensive for what it offers unless there is a lot more to it than I'm imagining.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 22:28
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

If you have a PC, Sendero PC Maps will do what you want.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 21:40, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi all.  When the trekker maestro was current it was possible to plan a route by entering an origin point then the destination point.  You could then examine the route before attempting it.  In other words from my home I could set the origin point as a train station hundreds of miles from my location and put in the destination; say a hotel or restaurant and preview the route in advance.  When the Trekker Maestro was discontinued and the Trekker Breeze, then the Breeze plus took it's place that feature was discontinued.  As I understand it the new Victor Reader Trek will also not have this helpful feature.  Does anybody know of an accessible GPS system that does have this feature or iPhone app that has the feature?  I have Blindsquare and it doesn't have this ability.  I've listened to podcasts about the RNIB navigator but that also didn't appear to have this feature.  In looking for something with that feature It would appear that the emphasis with accessible GPS is more on orientation than route finding or planning.  By the way, I'm in the UK so that might limit what is available or can be suggested.  Walter.

 

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Computer Poem

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Just thought many list members would enjoy the following:

A computer was something on TV
> From a science fiction show of note
A window was something you hated to clean
And ram was the cousin of a goat.

Meg was the name of someone's girlfriend
And gig was a job for the nights
Now they all mean different things
And that really mega bytes.

An application was for employment
A program was a TV show
A cursor used profanity
A keyboard was a piano.

Memory was something that you lost with age
A CD was a bank account
And if you had a 3 inch floppy
You hoped nobody found out.

Compress was something you did to the garbage
Not something you did to a file
And if you unzipped anything in public
You'd be in jail for a while.

Log on was adding wood to the fire
Hard drive was a long trip on the road
A mouse pad was where a mouse lived
And a backup happened to your commode.

Cut you did with a pocket knife
Paste you did with glue
A web was a spider's home
And a virus was the flu.

I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper
And the memory in my head
I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash
But when it happens they wish they were dead.

Author unknown

 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Carlos,

I’m not going to waste ours going through my trash bin to provide you with specific examples.  I’m done with this and will simply delete any e mails that come in with this topic line..  If you find it necessary to clear your  name  with other, I think you do protest too much   Finally, this has nothing to do with Gene.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

And I don't know that Jeff necessarily confused Gene's statements with my own.  His replies to Gene's messages would seem to indicate that is not the case.  Although it is possible he may have misinterpreted something I said which is why I asked for particular references.  Although I find the statement that I supposedly did everything possible to discourage him from using the virtual ribbon option in JAWS to be very specific, but unsupported.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

If there was a misunderstanding, that is unfortunate.  Misunderstandings are inevitable, but neither Carlos nor I wrote dictatorial messages.

 

I don't know just what passage or passages Jeff objects to in Carlos' messages.  If Carlos said something like, you don't need more computer skills to work with ribbons, or some variation of that statement and there are many possible ways to say it, he wasn't denegrading anyone or any skill level.  He was simply saying that working with ribbons doesn't require more skill than working with menus, it just requires learning how to work with a different structure.  He was talking about whether ribbons are difficult to use.  He wasn't saying that anyone should use them. 

 

If a salesman says, this product is so easy to use, a five-year-old could use it, he isn't saying anything about the prospective purchaser.  He is telling the prospective customer that the item is very simple to use and that's all.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.

I offer no opinion as to whether or not you meant it that way; just that the poster was seeming to indicate such feelings. I don't care about the subject one way or another. The messages he was talking about came from you, whereas Carlos seemed to remain objectively neutral.



Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Gene,

Would you please drop  it? There is no need to circle the wagons.  I’d really like to get off it. 

Jeff

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

If there was a misunderstanding, that is unfortunate.  Misunderstandings are inevitable, but neither Carlos nor I wrote dictatorial messages.

 

I don't know just what passage or passages Jeff objects to in Carlos' messages.  If Carlos said something like, you don't need more computer skills to work with ribbons, or some variation of that statement and there are many possible ways to say it, he wasn't denegrading anyone or any skill level.  He was simply saying that working with ribbons doesn't require more skill than working with menus, it just requires learning how to work with a different structure.  He was talking about whether ribbons are difficult to use.  He wasn't saying that anyone should use them. 

 

If a salesman says, this product is so easy to use, a five-year-old could use it, he isn't saying anything about the prospective purchaser.  He is telling the prospective customer that the item is very simple to use and that's all.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.

I offer no opinion as to whether or not you meant it that way; just that the poster was seeming to indicate such feelings. I don't care about the subject one way or another. The messages he was talking about came from you, whereas Carlos seemed to remain objectively neutral.



Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos
 

Because Classic Shell only substitutes the "Start" menu and offers a couple of other enhancements.  It does nothing about virtual ribbons in programs like Office.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

why not use classicshell it's free?
 
 
 
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SKYPE: goldenace4
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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi Again Jeffrey,
 
I had to resend because I noticed some punctuation at the end of a URL.  Came across this thread in my notes.  It might be just what you're looking for:
From: Dujari, Prateek
yes I'm a huge proponent and very pleased user of 'classic menus for office' for both office 07 and office 10 which can be purchased at
 
 
  Very simple, everything is totally accessible. Once installed and activated, hitting alt Q together and then q again brings up the classic menu in all its glory.
 
Prateek
 
From: CM54
It looks to be about $40
 
I also came across a free option at:
 
 
Has anyone tried this option with Jaws?
CM
 
From: Dujari, Prateek
this free option is only for Office home /student and thus only applies to Word, Excel and PowerPoint. If that is all u care about then sure it should work for free.
 
Prateek
 
From: Glen Jan
Direct link to the office menu purchase / download page.  It is a bit of
a dog's breakfast though:
 
 
Glen
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I'm not ignorant,  I have a Ph.d. in my field and before I retired I was the
go to guy for computers at my work site and for virtually all blind users at
the entire VA system I may be a bit long in the tooth, but I simply want the
old menu structure.  What advantage did MS think it was providing with these
ribbons?  My sighted friends hate them as much as I do.  Why should we be
forced to Learn a whole new way of doing things just so MS could make more
money?  I'd really be grateful to anyone who could point me to such a
program.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi all,

RE ribbons, scarlet or otherwise, I just use the ribbons in their natural
state.  It's not difficult.  It's not arcane  or mysterious. 
It's just like the regular menus except that they're arranged somewhat
differently.

Agree the virtual ribbons increase dependency on Jaws, but if that's the
only screen reader being used, and there's no employment or educational
goals, they work just fine.

Ann P.

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Re: GPS route planning

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Have you tried out one of the online mapping sites. Both Google and Map Quest can do what you need for free.
Marie
 
 

From: Walter Ramage via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning
 

Hi.  OK, then it is going to take a lot of thinking because there are so many options as regards Sendero.  It might be worth the ongoing expense but I'm just embarking on an expensive hi-Fi upgrade so expenditure on the Sendero option might have to wait until I find out just how much this hi-fi upgrade is going to come to.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 15 September 2017 10:22
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

It might be worth confirming this with Sendero, but I believe there is a licence renewal fee.  However, I don't think it's as high as purchasing the initial licence - it may be around $50.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 15 Sep 2017, at 09:09, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Right, went back in and had a better look and I found what you mentioned.  It did say $79 but it also said for a one year licence, does that mean an annual charge of $79 indefinitely for as long as you want to use the product?  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 23:17
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

I think what you need costs $79, as you don't need the GPS functionality if you're exploring the route virtually, unless of course you want to use your PC when you're out and about navigating the route.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:48, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi Edward.  Thanks for that.  I've just looked at their sight and they want $400 for their maps.  I'm a little bit confused because for that $400 I don't know what I get, especially when I notice that "additional" map bundles for various countries are available.  For example Europe is $48 but is that $48 on top of the $400?  It does sound rather expensive for what it offers unless there is a lot more to it than I'm imagining.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 14 September 2017 22:28
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] GPS route planning

 

Hi Walter,

 

If you have a PC, Sendero PC Maps will do what you want.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


On 14 Sep 2017, at 21:40, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi all.  When the trekker maestro was current it was possible to plan a route by entering an origin point then the destination point.  You could then examine the route before attempting it.  In other words from my home I could set the origin point as a train station hundreds of miles from my location and put in the destination; say a hotel or restaurant and preview the route in advance.  When the Trekker Maestro was discontinued and the Trekker Breeze, then the Breeze plus took it's place that feature was discontinued.  As I understand it the new Victor Reader Trek will also not have this helpful feature.  Does anybody know of an accessible GPS system that does have this feature or iPhone app that has the feature?  I have Blindsquare and it doesn't have this ability.  I've listened to podcasts about the RNIB navigator but that also didn't appear to have this feature.  In looking for something with that feature It would appear that the emphasis with accessible GPS is more on orientation than route finding or planning.  By the way, I'm in the UK so that might limit what is available or can be suggested.  Walter.


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Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Karim Lakhani
 

why not use classicshell it's free?
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi Again Jeffrey,
 
I had to resend because I noticed some punctuation at the end of a URL.  Came across this thread in my notes.  It might be just what you're looking for:
From: Dujari, Prateek
yes I'm a huge proponent and very pleased user of 'classic menus for office' for both office 07 and office 10 which can be purchased at
 
 
  Very simple, everything is totally accessible. Once installed and activated, hitting alt Q together and then q again brings up the classic menu in all its glory.
 
Prateek
 
From: CM54
It looks to be about $40
 
I also came across a free option at:
 
 
Has anyone tried this option with Jaws?
CM
 
From: Dujari, Prateek
this free option is only for Office home /student and thus only applies to Word, Excel and PowerPoint. If that is all u care about then sure it should work for free.
 
Prateek
 
From: Glen Jan
Direct link to the office menu purchase / download page.  It is a bit of
a dog's breakfast though:
 
 
Glen
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

I'm not ignorant,  I have a Ph.d. in my field and before I retired I was the
go to guy for computers at my work site and for virtually all blind users at
the entire VA system I may be a bit long in the tooth, but I simply want the
old menu structure.  What advantage did MS think it was providing with these
ribbons?  My sighted friends hate them as much as I do.  Why should we be
forced to Learn a whole new way of doing things just so MS could make more
money?  I'd really be grateful to anyone who could point me to such a
program.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Hi all,

RE ribbons, scarlet or otherwise, I just use the ribbons in their natural
state.  It's not difficult.  It's not arcane  or mysterious. 
It's just like the regular menus except that they're arranged somewhat
differently.

Agree the virtual ribbons increase dependency on Jaws, but if that's the
only screen reader being used, and there's no employment or educational
goals, they work just fine.

Ann P.

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Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Carlos
 

And I don't know that Jeff necessarily confused Gene's statements with my own.  His replies to Gene's messages would seem to indicate that is not the case.  Although it is possible he may have misinterpreted something I said which is why I asked for particular references.  Although I find the statement that I supposedly did everything possible to discourage him from using the virtual ribbon option in JAWS to be very specific, but unsupported.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

If there was a misunderstanding, that is unfortunate.  Misunderstandings are inevitable, but neither Carlos nor I wrote dictatorial messages.
 
I don't know just what passage or passages Jeff objects to in Carlos' messages.  If Carlos said something like, you don't need more computer skills to work with ribbons, or some variation of that statement and there are many possible ways to say it, he wasn't denegrading anyone or any skill level.  He was simply saying that working with ribbons doesn't require more skill than working with menus, it just requires learning how to work with a different structure.  He was talking about whether ribbons are difficult to use.  He wasn't saying that anyone should use them. 
 
If a salesman says, this product is so easy to use, a five-year-old could use it, he isn't saying anything about the prospective purchaser.  He is telling the prospective customer that the item is very simple to use and that's all.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.

I offer no opinion as to whether or not you meant it that way; just that the poster was seeming to indicate such feelings. I don't care about the subject one way or another. The messages he was talking about came from you, whereas Carlos seemed to remain objectively neutral.




Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene
 

I was addressing Rob, see his message below mine.
 
I know you weren't addressing me and I hope my message discussing the misunderstanding clarifies it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene, I was never referring to you.  Sorry if you got that impression.  This is my issue and I suggest that we drop it.

Jeff

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.  I said that I very strongly objected to people being discouraged from trying or learning new things.  I said nothing of the kind that your message implies.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> You are misquoting me and taking other statements I may have made out of context.  In fact, I don't recall commenting much on the subject of which you should use one way or the other.

He's got you mixed up with Gene. That's the problem.



Re: old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene
 

If there was a misunderstanding, that is unfortunate.  Misunderstandings are inevitable, but neither Carlos nor I wrote dictatorial messages.
 
I don't know just what passage or passages Jeff objects to in Carlos' messages.  If Carlos said something like, you don't need more computer skills to work with ribbons, or some variation of that statement and there are many possible ways to say it, he wasn't denegrading anyone or any skill level.  He was simply saying that working with ribbons doesn't require more skill than working with menus, it just requires learning how to work with a different structure.  He was talking about whether ribbons are difficult to use.  He wasn't saying that anyone should use them. 
 
If a salesman says, this product is so easy to use, a five-year-old could use it, he isn't saying anything about the prospective purchaser.  He is telling the prospective customer that the item is very simple to use and that's all.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Show me one quote where I dictated or pressured or did anything else to insist that Jeff use ribbons.  I gave my opinions about ribbons and the JAWS Virtual ribbons.

I offer no opinion as to whether or not you meant it that way; just that the poster was seeming to indicate such feelings. I don't care about the subject one way or another. The messages he was talking about came from you, whereas Carlos seemed to remain objectively neutral.




Re: low-cost jaws information

Pablo Morales
 

What makes NVDA strong is the cost of Jaws, no the high quality or how stable it is. Reducing cost they are going to take away a lot of conpetition.

But with that price, it is the reason why NVDA was created.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Not necessarily, as I have explained in another message.  Especially with competition from NVDA, your contention is even more shaky. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:27 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Gene

Sorry, but you are who needs to read a little bit more.

You are basing your thought in the economy of 50 years ago. Today is very different and you are seeing the customers in United States only.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

With the number of Windows screen-readers that have been developed, doesn't it make sense that if a way to make a full powerful for profit screen-reader for less money existed, someone would have done so by now?  the only way to have a free or cheap powerful Windows screen-reader is to have a lot of volunteers many grants, and a few very dedicated people working for a pittence compared to what they could make in industry or even in government. 

 

sometimes things that seem obvious are wrong, the solutions are too easy and if they were that simple and obvious, they would have been done before.

 

I would suggest that you read something about economics written for the laymen in nontechnical terms.  that's one way I learned about economics.  You don't take into account economies of scale. costs of R&D only being spread over a very small customer base, the cost of training mmaterial production, technical support, and sales staff.  If JAWS had millions of customers, it would be inexpensive.  If cars had only the number of customers JAWS has, they would be only affordable by the wealthy, as was the case before they started being mass produced. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn White

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:38 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

You don't know that for sure and just because they would sell more doesn't mean they would make a profit.  And, by the way, neither do I. 

 

I have no claim to know how these things work and probably most of us don't either.

 

On 9/15/2017 10:26 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I agree with Pablo here. VFO should reduce the cost of Jaws licenses because they will sell a lot more of them that way.

 

 

On 9/15/2017 9:44 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

However, I think that VFO would be able to make a lot more money is they change their business strategy. Look amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft, and other huge business. They reduce the cost of their products and at the same time more people wants to buy. If they sale their products very expensive, how much market they are going to get. If they reduce the cost, how much they are going to sale, and how much profit they are going to make?

How many people in United States, that is a develop country  are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

How many people in other developed countries are able to pay that amount?

50% of the visually impaired people with computers?

I don’t think so, it is a lot less, and in many cases visually impaired people don’t buy computers or are not interested to learn how to use a computer due to the high cost of the jaws license.

How many people in the world, in the developing countries are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

It is the annual income for most people in the developing countries. How many people is able to pay their whole annual income in a jaws license?

1% maybe?

I don’t think so, it should be less than that.

If VFO copy Microsoft or other companies business strategy, they will be able to make a lot more money, and reduce the cracking of software. It is a very common custom in developing countries because they are no able to pay their annual income in a jaws license.

If in the demand and supply graphic we put down the cost, the demand curve shift to the right. That VFO will not make enough money?

I don’t understand why not, they are going to increase their sales by a lot more than currently they are selling. They don’t need to use any natural resource, they are not going to pay more power, or more employees, so their production cost is going to be the same.

The problem is that you guys are believing that if VFO decrease their cost for the jaws license, the same number of people is going to buy the same number of licenses. It is not true. They are going to sale more. Because more people will buy jaws.,

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

 

Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?

 

Gerald

 

?

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno

On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:

I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information



That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:

Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: low-cost jaws information

Gene
 

Not necessarily, as I have explained in another message.  Especially with competition from NVDA, your contention is even more shaky. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

Gene

Sorry, but you are who needs to read a little bit more.

You are basing your thought in the economy of 50 years ago. Today is very different and you are seeing the customers in United States only.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

With the number of Windows screen-readers that have been developed, doesn't it make sense that if a way to make a full powerful for profit screen-reader for less money existed, someone would have done so by now?  the only way to have a free or cheap powerful Windows screen-reader is to have a lot of volunteers many grants, and a few very dedicated people working for a pittence compared to what they could make in industry or even in government. 

 

sometimes things that seem obvious are wrong, the solutions are too easy and if they were that simple and obvious, they would have been done before.

 

I would suggest that you read something about economics written for the laymen in nontechnical terms.  that's one way I learned about economics.  You don't take into account economies of scale. costs of R&D only being spread over a very small customer base, the cost of training mmaterial production, technical support, and sales staff.  If JAWS had millions of customers, it would be inexpensive.  If cars had only the number of customers JAWS has, they would be only affordable by the wealthy, as was the case before they started being mass produced. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn White

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:38 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

You don't know that for sure and just because they would sell more doesn't mean they would make a profit.  And, by the way, neither do I. 

 

I have no claim to know how these things work and probably most of us don't either.

 

On 9/15/2017 10:26 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I agree with Pablo here. VFO should reduce the cost of Jaws licenses because they will sell a lot more of them that way.

 

 

On 9/15/2017 9:44 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

However, I think that VFO would be able to make a lot more money is they change their business strategy. Look amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft, and other huge business. They reduce the cost of their products and at the same time more people wants to buy. If they sale their products very expensive, how much market they are going to get. If they reduce the cost, how much they are going to sale, and how much profit they are going to make?

How many people in United States, that is a develop country  are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

How many people in other developed countries are able to pay that amount?

50% of the visually impaired people with computers?

I don’t think so, it is a lot less, and in many cases visually impaired people don’t buy computers or are not interested to learn how to use a computer due to the high cost of the jaws license.

How many people in the world, in the developing countries are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

It is the annual income for most people in the developing countries. How many people is able to pay their whole annual income in a jaws license?

1% maybe?

I don’t think so, it should be less than that.

If VFO copy Microsoft or other companies business strategy, they will be able to make a lot more money, and reduce the cracking of software. It is a very common custom in developing countries because they are no able to pay their annual income in a jaws license.

If in the demand and supply graphic we put down the cost, the demand curve shift to the right. That VFO will not make enough money?

I don’t understand why not, they are going to increase their sales by a lot more than currently they are selling. They don’t need to use any natural resource, they are not going to pay more power, or more employees, so their production cost is going to be the same.

The problem is that you guys are believing that if VFO decrease their cost for the jaws license, the same number of people is going to buy the same number of licenses. It is not true. They are going to sale more. Because more people will buy jaws.,

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

 

Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?

 

Gerald

 

?

 

From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:31 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno

On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:


I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information




That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:


he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:


Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:


hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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Re: low-cost jaws information

Jeffrey Schwartz
 

Does this price reduction apply to any of their hardware? 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Yes, decreasing the cost will cause more people to buy it, but how much would you have to decrease the cost to get a significant number of more people to buy it and have that number bring in more revenue than is lost by the price reduction?  I consider your point to be interesting but unproven.  If VFO has to reduce the price by five or seven hundred dollars to get a significantly higher number of people to purchase the product, then that would mean that a very large amount of revenue would be lost and I have no reason to believe that more than twice as many purchasers would buy the product.  You would have to sell perhaps more than 55 or 60 percent more of the product at that kind of price decrease to retain a reasonable profit.  and you might need more sales staff and more support staff which would further erode profits.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Yes, for sure they are going to make profit. Just use a regular demand and supply curve and you will see what I am talking about.

Let me give an easier way to understand this.

Software doesn’t require natural resources, manufacturing, or any additional cost as in production we have. Normally in production if I have 5 employees to create 5 pair of shoes per day, it imply that if I need to make 10 shoes I will need or pay over time, or hire more people. Jaws is a software that the cost of the software developers that they have to create jaws 18 for 10000 customers is the same than to create jaws for 10 customers or 1  million of customers. So here we cannot justify production cost for more demand. It means that if they sale 10000 licenses per year, they are going to pay in salaries, services, and administrative cost the same money than if they sale only 10 licenses per year.

Yes, they need to pay their employees, but here is the problem. They need to put a price for their product, and with that money pay software developers, and other employees. If they sale 10000 licenses per year, they will need to divide the whole revenue by the number of employees and services that they pay, including taxes.

If tomorrow they increase the  cost of jaws, for sure less people will buy jaws, and VFO will need to fire software developers, customer services people, tech support people, and it will compensate the loss of customers.

But if we change the story in the other way. VFO reduce the cost of jaws. How VFO will pay services, software developers and employees?

Easy, because with a lower price, more companies, more people in developed  countries, and more people and companies in the developing countries will be able to afford a jaws license.

It will increase the revenue, and we have seen that the production cost is not going to change, so if we have revenue minus cost equal profit, and the cost is not going to change for much, then the profit increase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

You don't know that for sure and just because they would sell more doesn't mean they would make a profit.  And, by the way, neither do I. 

 

I have no claim to know how these things work and probably most of us don't either.

 

On 9/15/2017 10:26 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I agree with Pablo here. VFO should reduce the cost of Jaws licenses because they will sell a lot more of them that way.

 

 

On 9/15/2017 9:44 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

However, I think that VFO would be able to make a lot more money is they change their business strategy. Look amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft, and other huge business. They reduce the cost of their products and at the same time more people wants to buy. If they sale their products very expensive, how much market they are going to get. If they reduce the cost, how much they are going to sale, and how much profit they are going to make?

How many people in United States, that is a develop country  are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

How many people in other developed countries are able to pay that amount?

50% of the visually impaired people with computers?

I don’t think so, it is a lot less, and in many cases visually impaired people don’t buy computers or are not interested to learn how to use a computer due to the high cost of the jaws license.

How many people in the world, in the developing countries are able to pay $1095 for a jaws license?

It is the annual income for most people in the developing countries. How many people is able to pay their whole annual income in a jaws license?

1% maybe?

I don’t think so, it should be less than that.

If VFO copy Microsoft or other companies business strategy, they will be able to make a lot more money, and reduce the cracking of software. It is a very common custom in developing countries because they are no able to pay their annual income in a jaws license.

If in the demand and supply graphic we put down the cost, the demand curve shift to the right. That VFO will not make enough money?

I don’t understand why not, they are going to increase their sales by a lot more than currently they are selling. They don’t need to use any natural resource, they are not going to pay more power, or more employees, so their production cost is going to be the same.

The problem is that you guys are believing that if VFO decrease their cost for the jaws license, the same number of people is going to buy the same number of licenses. It is not true. They are going to sale more. Because more people will buy jaws.,

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

Anything is possible and that may even account for some of these instances, but I suspect in most cases it is probably a matter of poorly informed representatives.

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Is it possible that some callers who were offered the convention rate for JAWS after the convention ended even though they never actually attended in person themselves somehow convinced the VFO phone rep that they had attended, and the rep took there word for it and perhaps bent the rules a little to accommodate them?

 

Gerald

 

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From: Carlos

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

How absolutely inconsistent.  Although I don't doubt this might be in fact what is happening.

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Many of you know that Jaws has been offered for sale at these reduced rates at the NFB convention for a few years now.  I myself purchased it with two upgrades for $150 two years ago at the convention.  I later learned that some people who were not at the convention were calling Freedom Scientific after the convention and requesting to purchase Jaws at the greatly-reduced convention price.  Oddly enough, some of these callers were indeed sold Jaws at the low cost, while others were refused, being told that they had to be at the convention to benefit from the lower price.  These different results seemed to depend entirely on who was answering your call.  I know several people personally who had these different results.  

Rich De Steno

On 9/15/2017 5:57 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I find this hard to believe.  Eric Damery clearly stated that you must be an employee of an organization that has a VFO software license to take advantage of the JAWS low-cost home use program.  You cannot simply call VFO and plead poverty and purchase JAWS at the drastically reduced price strictly for personal use.  If you are claiming otherwise, please provide the name of the VFO phone rep who made an exception in your case so that the rest of us can take advantage of this generous offer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

I have no job at all, belong to no organization, I still got the jaws offer for $120 or so.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 10:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Erik Damery from VFO said they are working on a permanent low-cost-jaws program more publically available one.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 3:48 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Someone on another list called VFO today and was told by Hal, probably the same guy you spoke to, that the special price of $125 for JAWS was only available to attendees at the ACB and NFB conventions earlier this summer.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] low-cost jaws information

 

it could mean retirement income, SSI or SSDI.

 

 

On 9/14/2017 1:55 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I may be wrong about this.  But, the key word here is fixed such as retirement income.


It sounds like it may not be an actual income but rather the type of income and retirement could easily meet the definition of fixed income.


On 9/14/2017 11:04 AM, Pat Seed wrote:

I am sure that there will be eligibility criteria for the program. Everyone would do it, if there were not any questions asked. My guess is that they are just in the beginning stages of thinking about this possibility.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Spitz" mailto:peter.a.spitz@...
To: mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:04 AM
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That is most certainly an amazing deal if it holds out to be true
especially since you don't have to document anything to qualify.  Hope
it's real.

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

he said there are no eligibility requirements. You just call and ask to
buy jaws through the jaws for fixed incomes program.


Josh



On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Peter Spitz wrote:

Did he tell you the eligbility requirements?  Wonder how one qualifies.

Peter

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy mailto:joshknnd1982@... wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


Josh


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