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Re: Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Victor
 

I wish that web this some work with Google Chrome. I like the Google Chrome browser much better because it’s so much faster than Firefox and Internet Explorer.

Victor

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Joe Orozco <jsoro824@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for the last version that worked with WebVisum. Sorry, I
should have been clearer.--Joe

On 12/1/17, Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks so much as always.
Marie


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 8:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

There is a Mozilla page, perhaps more than one, where you can get old
versions.
Here is a page for Firefox 56. I don't know what -eme free means. The
Windows versions come in pairs, one says -eme free and the other just says
the version. They are both links. There are 32 and 64 bit versions.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/56.0/

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: Marie
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

downloaded and installed the English version of the F.F. ESR and still
having problems on my laptop running Windows 8.1 and Jaws 2018. Is there a
site where I an get the version 56 which worked great for me?
Thanks

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 3:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Here is a Mozilla site giving information about the ESR version. A download
link is on the page. Above the link there is a question that is worded
something like :Where can I download the ESR version?" I haven't specified
a direct download link because There are different English versions such as
a Brittish english and an American English one.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
Gene


From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

How and where can I get this ESR version? I am having multiple issues with
57. I was loving 56 and planning to make it my default browser. I had the
setting to notify me of update but not to install unless I chose that
option. However It went right ahead and updated and what a headache.
probably part my own fault since I am still a novice FF user.


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Version 56 is the last of the old versions. But saying it's the last
accessible version, thus implying that version 57 isn't is a real
oversimplification and is misleading. Some people have had serious problems
with version 57 and some haven't. Mozilla has said that they are working on
making future versions of Firefox work without the problems in version 57.
Also, people shouldn't be looking for the last accessible version. they
should be running the ESR (extended release version) during this time that
Firefox is having problems in the current version or versions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Hi, to confirm, version 55 is the last accessible version, correct?--Joe

On 11/24/17, Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's the link to the downloadable versions of Firefox:
https://mozilla-firefox-portable.en.uptodown.com/windows/old

Blaster


On 11/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know anything about importing profiles. In general, if you can
do
something in the installed version, you can do it in the portable
version.



From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox


Hi, where can I find an accessible portable version of Firefox? I’m
assuming with such a portable version, I can import a profile that
could include my old Webvisum and other add-ons? Thank you kindly in
advance, and please forgive me if the information has already been
shared.--Joe










Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I will do some more research later. One exists, but I'm not sure if
it's being sold anywhere or if this was just a demonstration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRiz475OfEc

On 01/12/2017, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a chess set that I bought from one of these accessibility sites many
moons ago. It's the wooden kind with one color of squares raised (I think
it's the black). The black pieces have a little nail on the top of each
piece to differentiate them from the white ones and each piece has a small
wooden peg on the bottom that is inserted into a hole found in the middle of
each square.
I found that the pieces fit way too loosely and were easily knocked over
during play. In my case, I had an uncle who is handy and he refitted the
pegs on the pieces to fit more snuggly into the holes. Now they're more
secure and you have to try to knock one over before it does.

Like I said, I bought a while back (maybe twenty years now), so who knows
what they go for now. I think I paid around $30 back in the day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Michael Boyd
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?


Hello Peter,

Try the following link, they have a couple of chess sets, one that I am sure
is made of plastic and another wooden set available. Hope you find one that
you like.

http://www.braillebookstore.com/Board-Games

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess board.
If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter










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Re: Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Joe Orozco
 

I'm looking for the last version that worked with WebVisum. Sorry, I
should have been clearer.--Joe

On 12/1/17, Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks so much as always.
Marie


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 8:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

There is a Mozilla page, perhaps more than one, where you can get old
versions.
Here is a page for Firefox 56. I don't know what -eme free means. The
Windows versions come in pairs, one says -eme free and the other just says
the version. They are both links. There are 32 and 64 bit versions.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/56.0/

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: Marie
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

downloaded and installed the English version of the F.F. ESR and still
having problems on my laptop running Windows 8.1 and Jaws 2018. Is there a
site where I an get the version 56 which worked great for me?
Thanks

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 3:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Here is a Mozilla site giving information about the ESR version. A download
link is on the page. Above the link there is a question that is worded
something like :Where can I download the ESR version?" I haven't specified
a direct download link because There are different English versions such as
a Brittish english and an American English one.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
Gene


From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

How and where can I get this ESR version? I am having multiple issues with
57. I was loving 56 and planning to make it my default browser. I had the
setting to notify me of update but not to install unless I chose that
option. However It went right ahead and updated and what a headache.
probably part my own fault since I am still a novice FF user.


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Version 56 is the last of the old versions. But saying it's the last
accessible version, thus implying that version 57 isn't is a real
oversimplification and is misleading. Some people have had serious problems
with version 57 and some haven't. Mozilla has said that they are working on
making future versions of Firefox work without the problems in version 57.
Also, people shouldn't be looking for the last accessible version. they
should be running the ESR (extended release version) during this time that
Firefox is having problems in the current version or versions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Hi, to confirm, version 55 is the last accessible version, correct?--Joe

On 11/24/17, Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's the link to the downloadable versions of Firefox:
https://mozilla-firefox-portable.en.uptodown.com/windows/old

Blaster


On 11/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know anything about importing profiles. In general, if you can
do
something in the installed version, you can do it in the portable
version.



From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox


Hi, where can I find an accessible portable version of Firefox? I’m
assuming with such a portable version, I can import a profile that
could include my old Webvisum and other add-ons? Thank you kindly in
advance, and please forgive me if the information has already been
shared.--Joe









Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Joe Orozco
 

Hello,

Out of nowhere, my second generation Victor Reader Stream decided to
stop powering on, or rather, it’ll get as far as “Welcome to
Victor...” before shutting down. A factory reset did not work, and
tech support said it would need to be sent in to have its micro SD
card replaced.

Does anyone have any idea how much this will cost? The tech support
guy was vague, only said it would be the least expensive of repairs,
but if the unit arrives and I refuse to pay for the fix, they’ll
charge me $95 as a maintenance fee.

Alternatively, does anyone know if this is something that can be fixed
independently?

The unit is a few months shy of five years old. It’s understandably
old, and while I am willing to pay for repairs, I would rather not pay
near original price. At that point I may as well replace it or get
something else.

And, please, no pointing out how I could just use my iPhone. I very
much prefer using a second device on account of longer battery and
tactile buttons. Yes, I’m a weird millennial.

Thanks for any help! And if you know of anyone selling their VRS,
please let me know this as well!

Joe


Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Michael Boyd <mike122061@...>
 

They have gone up in price by about $5 since then. Peter, I apologize I missed that you asked for an electronic set.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 4:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

I have a chess set that I bought from one of these accessibility sites many moons ago. It's the wooden kind with one color of squares raised (I think it's the black). The black pieces have a little nail on the top of each piece to differentiate them from the white ones and each piece has a small wooden peg on the bottom that is inserted into a hole found in the middle of each square.
I found that the pieces fit way too loosely and were easily knocked over during play. In my case, I had an uncle who is handy and he refitted the pegs on the pieces to fit more snuggly into the holes. Now they're more secure and you have to try to knock one over before it does.

Like I said, I bought a while back (maybe twenty years now), so who knows what they go for now. I think I paid around $30 back in the day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Boyd
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?


Hello Peter,

Try the following link, they have a couple of chess sets, one that I am sure is made of plastic and another wooden set available. Hope you find one that you like.

http://www.braillebookstore.com/Board-Games

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter


Re: Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines

amanda burt
 

I like that and I feel it’s a fitting tribute
 
Amanda
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines
 
I realized, after seeing Maureen's message that information about Carlos and his death should be added to the posting guidelines.  I have added the following which, if I know how to use the calendar enough to do this correctly, will be shown in future postings to the list.
 
Gene
 
Carlos, who started this group, and who was a rich source of help and information to blind computer users, very unfortunately died in late 2017.  I, Gene, am the new owner.  I am continuing to send these guidelines to the list on a monthly basis because I agree with them and in memory of Carlos.



Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Cristóbal
 

I have a chess set that I bought from one of these accessibility sites many moons ago. It's the wooden kind with one color of squares raised (I think it's the black). The black pieces have a little nail on the top of each piece to differentiate them from the white ones and each piece has a small wooden peg on the bottom that is inserted into a hole found in the middle of each square.
I found that the pieces fit way too loosely and were easily knocked over during play. In my case, I had an uncle who is handy and he refitted the pegs on the pieces to fit more snuggly into the holes. Now they're more secure and you have to try to knock one over before it does.

Like I said, I bought a while back (maybe twenty years now), so who knows what they go for now. I think I paid around $30 back in the day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Boyd
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?


Hello Peter,

Try the following link, they have a couple of chess sets, one that I am sure is made of plastic and another wooden set available. Hope you find one that you like.

http://www.braillebookstore.com/Board-Games

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter


Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Eleni Vamvakari
 

That's what I first thought as well. But he specifically said that he
is looking for electronic ones, not regular ones.

On 01/12/2017, Michael Boyd <mike122061@outlook.com> wrote:

Hello Peter,

Try the following link, they have a couple of chess sets, one that I am sure
is made of plastic and another wooden set available. Hope you find one that
you like.

http://www.braillebookstore.com/Board-Games

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess board.
If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter






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Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Michael Boyd <mike122061@...>
 

Hello Peter,

Try the following link, they have a couple of chess sets, one that I am sure is made of plastic and another wooden set available. Hope you find one that you like.

http://www.braillebookstore.com/Board-Games

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter


Re: Accessible DOS Programs

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I got the first page to work by using the Way Back Machine! Some of
the files may not be as current as on the second page, and a few may
be missing. I'm not sure, as I haven't compared the two. But it's
certainly better than nothing. In any case, when I downloaded a few
files, Windows reported that they were 0kb in size, but when I tried
to unzip them, it worked! I have no idea what's going on, but I'm
glad that the issue has been resolved. If anyone has full versions of
the demos, please let me know. Here is the working page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160707094904/http://www.nfbnet.org/download/blind.htm

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Ann, not everything in DOS works under a commandline. Even in the
older programs, some have hotkeys, and some have full menus, including
Edit, the built-in editor that comes with the operating system. Other
programs are entirely graphical, and this is also true of the modern
programs being developed. In fact, DOS itself can work under a gui.

Happy birthday to you too, Pam! It's a rare treat to meet someone
born on the same day as I.

On 01/12/2017, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
You have a birthday today too? So do I. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 3:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible DOS Programs

This is amazing! I make no guarantees as to the accessibility of
these programs, as they were not written for the blind, but there are
all sorts of things here! It won't solve my issues with the NFB
programs, but it will prevent me from staying awake for my birthday
celebration if I don't put the computer away right now. hahaha

https://winworldpc.com/library/applications/platform-dos

Tomorrow, I'll try the sites with the modern DOS programs!

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I just downloaded a file from the same site and tried to unzip it in
XP with both 7Zip and a very old version of Winzip, which can usually
unzip everything. Both gave me errors. I also saw a strange thing
while looking at the properties of the file. It gave me the size
(which was not 9kb, so something must be there), and then it said that
the file came from another computer and was blocked. So I unblocked
it, but that didn't help.

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to some wonderful help at the Any Audio Network, I got an MSDOS
virtual machine working! But when I tried to unzip the files that I
recently downloaded from the above site, the directories were empty!
This happened in Windows with 7ZIP and in DOS with PKUnzip. I have no
idea why. The ones that I downloaded years ago unzipped correctly.
Can anyone please help me? Why would something download if the
directory is empty?

On 19/11/2017, Emre Cebeci <0emrecebeci0@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searching several days. Thank you very much.

19 Kas 2017 Paz 10:03 tarihinde Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com>
şunu
yazdı:

For those interested, here is a huge list of DOS and early Windows
programs for the blind, from screen readers, to set files, to
utilities, to games! Note that the links on the first page are all
dead. I am providing it for the descriptions, which the second page
does not contain. But all of the links there work and the files are
the same as on the first page.

http://www.nfbnet.org/download/blind.htm

http://www.nfbnet.org/files/blind_info/

While looking for a link to Provox (which I found here), I found this
other page with a smaller but still interesting collection, mostly of
screen readers. Provox is the only open source DOS screen reader
that
I know of. This means that, theoretically, someone could update it
to
work with modern versions of DOS. I actually found reference to it
in
discussions of FreeDOS, but I am not sure if it was ever implemented.
Personally, after trying to read the manual for this screen reader, I
became very confused!

https://allinaccess.com/happ/

Does anyone know where the full versions of the demos can be found?
Also, can anyone suggest other accessible programs? I know of many
links to mainstream DOS software, but it would be interesting to see
either what other things were made for the blind or what mainstream
programs are known to work well with which screen readers.

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Re: Accessible DOS Programs

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Ann, not everything in DOS works under a commandline. Even in the
older programs, some have hotkeys, and some have full menus, including
Edit, the built-in editor that comes with the operating system. Other
programs are entirely graphical, and this is also true of the modern
programs being developed. In fact, DOS itself can work under a gui.

Happy birthday to you too, Pam! It's a rare treat to meet someone
born on the same day as I.

On 01/12/2017, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
You have a birthday today too? So do I. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 3:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible DOS Programs

This is amazing! I make no guarantees as to the accessibility of
these programs, as they were not written for the blind, but there are
all sorts of things here! It won't solve my issues with the NFB
programs, but it will prevent me from staying awake for my birthday
celebration if I don't put the computer away right now. hahaha

https://winworldpc.com/library/applications/platform-dos

Tomorrow, I'll try the sites with the modern DOS programs!

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I just downloaded a file from the same site and tried to unzip it in
XP with both 7Zip and a very old version of Winzip, which can usually
unzip everything. Both gave me errors. I also saw a strange thing
while looking at the properties of the file. It gave me the size
(which was not 9kb, so something must be there), and then it said that
the file came from another computer and was blocked. So I unblocked
it, but that didn't help.

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to some wonderful help at the Any Audio Network, I got an MSDOS
virtual machine working! But when I tried to unzip the files that I
recently downloaded from the above site, the directories were empty!
This happened in Windows with 7ZIP and in DOS with PKUnzip. I have no
idea why. The ones that I downloaded years ago unzipped correctly.
Can anyone please help me? Why would something download if the
directory is empty?

On 19/11/2017, Emre Cebeci <0emrecebeci0@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searching several days. Thank you very much.

19 Kas 2017 Paz 10:03 tarihinde Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com>
şunu
yazdı:

For those interested, here is a huge list of DOS and early Windows
programs for the blind, from screen readers, to set files, to
utilities, to games! Note that the links on the first page are all
dead. I am providing it for the descriptions, which the second page
does not contain. But all of the links there work and the files are
the same as on the first page.

http://www.nfbnet.org/download/blind.htm

http://www.nfbnet.org/files/blind_info/

While looking for a link to Provox (which I found here), I found this
other page with a smaller but still interesting collection, mostly of
screen readers. Provox is the only open source DOS screen reader that
I know of. This means that, theoretically, someone could update it to
work with modern versions of DOS. I actually found reference to it in
discussions of FreeDOS, but I am not sure if it was ever implemented.
Personally, after trying to read the manual for this screen reader, I
became very confused!

https://allinaccess.com/happ/

Does anyone know where the full versions of the demos can be found?
Also, can anyone suggest other accessible programs? I know of many
links to mainstream DOS software, but it would be interesting to see
either what other things were made for the blind or what mainstream
programs are known to work well with which screen readers.

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Re: Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Gene,
 
Great idea!  That's a damn nice touch!
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines

I realized, after seeing Maureen's message that information about Carlos and his death should be added to the posting guidelines.  I have added the following which, if I know how to use the calendar enough to do this correctly, will be shown in future postings to the list.
 
Gene
 
Carlos, who started this group, and who was a rich source of help and information to blind computer users, very unfortunately died in late 2017.  I, Gene, am the new owner.  I am continuing to send these guidelines to the list on a monthly basis because I agree with them and in memory of Carlos.


Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Peter Spitz
 

As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess
board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter


Re: Accessible DOS Programs

Pamela Dominguez
 

You have a birthday today too? So do I. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 3:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible DOS Programs

This is amazing! I make no guarantees as to the accessibility of
these programs, as they were not written for the blind, but there are
all sorts of things here! It won't solve my issues with the NFB
programs, but it will prevent me from staying awake for my birthday
celebration if I don't put the computer away right now. hahaha

https://winworldpc.com/library/applications/platform-dos

Tomorrow, I'll try the sites with the modern DOS programs!

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I just downloaded a file from the same site and tried to unzip it in
XP with both 7Zip and a very old version of Winzip, which can usually
unzip everything. Both gave me errors. I also saw a strange thing
while looking at the properties of the file. It gave me the size
(which was not 9kb, so something must be there), and then it said that
the file came from another computer and was blocked. So I unblocked
it, but that didn't help.

On 01/12/2017, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to some wonderful help at the Any Audio Network, I got an MSDOS
virtual machine working! But when I tried to unzip the files that I
recently downloaded from the above site, the directories were empty!
This happened in Windows with 7ZIP and in DOS with PKUnzip. I have no
idea why. The ones that I downloaded years ago unzipped correctly.
Can anyone please help me? Why would something download if the
directory is empty?

On 19/11/2017, Emre Cebeci <0emrecebeci0@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searching several days. Thank you very much.

19 Kas 2017 Paz 10:03 tarihinde Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com>
şunu
yazdı:

For those interested, here is a huge list of DOS and early Windows
programs for the blind, from screen readers, to set files, to
utilities, to games! Note that the links on the first page are all
dead. I am providing it for the descriptions, which the second page
does not contain. But all of the links there work and the files are
the same as on the first page.

http://www.nfbnet.org/download/blind.htm

http://www.nfbnet.org/files/blind_info/

While looking for a link to Provox (which I found here), I found this
other page with a smaller but still interesting collection, mostly of
screen readers. Provox is the only open source DOS screen reader that
I know of. This means that, theoretically, someone could update it to
work with modern versions of DOS. I actually found reference to it in
discussions of FreeDOS, but I am not sure if it was ever implemented.
Personally, after trying to read the manual for this screen reader, I
became very confused!

https://allinaccess.com/happ/

Does anyone know where the full versions of the demos can be found?
Also, can anyone suggest other accessible programs? I know of many
links to mainstream DOS software, but it would be interesting to see
either what other things were made for the blind or what mainstream
programs are known to work well with which screen readers.

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Re: Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Thanks so much as always.
Marie
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
There is a Mozilla page, perhaps more than one, where you can get old versions.
Here is a page for Firefox 56.  I don't know what -eme free means.  The Windows versions come in pairs, one says -eme free and the other just says the version.  They are both links.  There are 32 and 64 bit versions.
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----From: Marie
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
downloaded and installed the English version of the F.F. ESR and still having problems on my laptop running Windows 8.1 and Jaws 2018. Is there a site where I an get the version 56 which worked great for me?
Thanks
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Here is a Mozilla site giving information about the ESR version.  A download link is on the page.  Above the link there is a question that is worded something like :Where can I download the ESR version?"  I haven't specified a direct download link because There are different English versions such as a Brittish english and an American English one. 
Gene
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
How and where can I get this ESR version? I am having multiple issues with 57. I was loving 56 and planning to make it my default browser. I had the setting to notify me of update but not to install unless I chose that option. However It went right ahead and updated and what a  headache. probably part my own fault since I am still a novice FF user.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Version 56 is the last of the old versions.  But saying it's the last accessible version, thus implying that version 57 isn't is a real oversimplification and is misleading.  Some people have had serious problems with version 57 and some haven't.  Mozilla has said that they are working on making future versions of Firefox work without the problems in version 57.  Also, people shouldn't be looking for the last accessible version.  they should be running the ESR (extended release version) during this time that Firefox is having problems in the current version or versions. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Hi, to confirm, version 55 is the last accessible version, correct?--Joe

On 11/24/17, Blaster <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
> Here's the link to the downloadable versions of Firefox:
> https://mozilla-firefox-portable.en.uptodown.com/windows/old
>
> Blaster
>
>
> On 11/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I don't know anything about importing profiles.  In general, if you can
>> do
>> something in the installed version, you can do it in the portable
>> version.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:48 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
>>
>>
>> Hi, where can I find an accessible portable version of Firefox? I’m
>> assuming with such a portable version, I can import a profile that
>> could include my old Webvisum and other add-ons? Thank you kindly in
>> advance, and please forgive me if the information has already been
>> shared.--Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines

Kay Malmquist
 

Gene,
 
That is fine.  At least his memory will be kept alive.  Take care.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin: Update to Posting Guidelines

I realized, after seeing Maureen's message that information about Carlos and his death should be added to the posting guidelines.  I have added the following which, if I know how to use the calendar enough to do this correctly, will be shown in future postings to the list.
 
Gene
 
Carlos, who started this group, and who was a rich source of help and information to blind computer users, very unfortunately died in late 2017.  I, Gene, am the new owner.  I am continuing to send these guidelines to the list on a monthly basis because I agree with them and in memory of Carlos.


Re: Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Gene
 

There is a Mozilla page, perhaps more than one, where you can get old versions.
Here is a page for Firefox 56.  I don't know what -eme free means.  The Windows versions come in pairs, one says -eme free and the other just says the version.  They are both links.  There are 32 and 64 bit versions.
 
Gene
 

----- Original Message -----From: Marie
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox

downloaded and installed the English version of the F.F. ESR and still having problems on my laptop running Windows 8.1 and Jaws 2018. Is there a site where I an get the version 56 which worked great for me?
Thanks
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Here is a Mozilla site giving information about the ESR version.  A download link is on the page.  Above the link there is a question that is worded something like :Where can I download the ESR version?"  I haven't specified a direct download link because There are different English versions such as a Brittish english and an American English one. 
Gene
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
How and where can I get this ESR version? I am having multiple issues with 57. I was loving 56 and planning to make it my default browser. I had the setting to notify me of update but not to install unless I chose that option. However It went right ahead and updated and what a  headache. probably part my own fault since I am still a novice FF user.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Version 56 is the last of the old versions.  But saying it's the last accessible version, thus implying that version 57 isn't is a real oversimplification and is misleading.  Some people have had serious problems with version 57 and some haven't.  Mozilla has said that they are working on making future versions of Firefox work without the problems in version 57.  Also, people shouldn't be looking for the last accessible version.  they should be running the ESR (extended release version) during this time that Firefox is having problems in the current version or versions. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Hi, to confirm, version 55 is the last accessible version, correct?--Joe

On 11/24/17, Blaster <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
> Here's the link to the downloadable versions of Firefox:
> https://mozilla-firefox-portable.en.uptodown.com/windows/old
>
> Blaster
>
>
> On 11/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I don't know anything about importing profiles.  In general, if you can
>> do
>> something in the installed version, you can do it in the portable
>> version.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:48 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
>>
>>
>> Hi, where can I find an accessible portable version of Firefox? I’m
>> assuming with such a portable version, I can import a profile that
>> could include my old Webvisum and other add-ons? Thank you kindly in
>> advance, and please forgive me if the information has already been
>> shared.--Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Gene
 

I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk.  When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written.  This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.
 
As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you.  I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you.  If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Thanks, Gene,


I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.


Mary


On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about.  It may help you decide which program you want to use.
 
It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added.  Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change     this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard.  It requires use of drag and drop.  Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using.  Ask if you want to know.  It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird.  I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard.  it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program.  But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders.  there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders.  This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird.  So it depends on which inconveniences you want.  I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it.  I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram. 
 
As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird. 
 
If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP.  This may or may not matter to you.  Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP.  Windows Live Mail doesn't.  I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using.  So you may have to set them on the server anyway.
 
Gene
----- )Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary





Re: Obtaining Accessible Firefox

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

downloaded and installed the English version of the F.F. ESR and still having problems on my laptop running Windows 8.1 and Jaws 2018. Is there a site where I an get the version 56 which worked great for me?
Thanks
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Here is a Mozilla site giving information about the ESR version.  A download link is on the page.  Above the link there is a question that is worded something like :Where can I download the ESR version?"  I haven't specified a direct download link because There are different English versions such as a Brittish english and an American English one. 
Gene
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
How and where can I get this ESR version? I am having multiple issues with 57. I was loving 56 and planning to make it my default browser. I had the setting to notify me of update but not to install unless I chose that option. However It went right ahead and updated and what a  headache. probably part my own fault since I am still a novice FF user.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Version 56 is the last of the old versions.  But saying it's the last accessible version, thus implying that version 57 isn't is a real oversimplification and is misleading.  Some people have had serious problems with version 57 and some haven't.  Mozilla has said that they are working on making future versions of Firefox work without the problems in version 57.  Also, people shouldn't be looking for the last accessible version.  they should be running the ESR (extended release version) during this time that Firefox is having problems in the current version or versions. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
 
Hi, to confirm, version 55 is the last accessible version, correct?--Joe

On 11/24/17, Blaster <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
> Here's the link to the downloadable versions of Firefox:
> https://mozilla-firefox-portable.en.uptodown.com/windows/old
>
> Blaster
>
>
> On 11/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I don't know anything about importing profiles.  In general, if you can
>> do
>> something in the installed version, you can do it in the portable
>> version.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:48 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Obtaining Accessible Firefox
>>
>>
>> Hi, where can I find an accessible portable version of Firefox? I’m
>> assuming with such a portable version, I can import a profile that
>> could include my old Webvisum and other add-ons? Thank you kindly in
>> advance, and please forgive me if the information has already been
>> shared.--Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Mary Otten <maryotten@...>
 

Thanks, Gene,


I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.


Mary


On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about.  It may help you decide which program you want to use.
 
It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added.  Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change     this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard.  It requires use of drag and drop.  Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using.  Ask if you want to know.  It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird.  I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard.  it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program.  But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders.  there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders.  This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird.  So it depends on which inconveniences you want.  I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it.  I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram. 
 
As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird. 
 
If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP.  This may or may not matter to you.  Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP.  Windows Live Mail doesn't.  I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using.  So you may have to set them on the server anyway.
 
Gene
----- )Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary




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