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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Carolyn Arnold
 

I can't remember, so I just turned it back on, will see how it does.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Carolyn,
Why didn’t you like it on?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

In Outlook, press Alt+v+p+n to get to the pain. I don't think you'll like it on. I tried it, did not like it at all.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don't use Outlook so someone else will have to tell you how to turn the preview pane on. The preview pane allows you to read messages by tabbing to the text without pressing enter on the message. When you move to a message in the message list, the message automatically opens in the preview pane or opens enough to show the text. If you aren't reading messages in plain text, it may be more dangerous to open messages in the preview pane because malicious content in a message might run but my impression is that with the settings used by default in e-mail programs today, this isn't much of a threat anymore.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??


Hi Gene, I am using Outlook 2016 with Jaws 2018 on a 64 bit Win 10 computer.



Is the message header list, the preview pain?



What exactly do I need to do make the messages easier to read?



Is there any way to delete the message without having to close it first?



Many and sincere Thanks!



Vicky



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk. When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written. This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.



As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you. I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you. If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Thanks, Gene,



I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.



Mary



On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about. It may help you decide which program you want to use.



It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added. Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard. It requires use of drag and drop. Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using. Ask if you want to know. It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird. I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard. it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program. But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders. there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders. This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird. So it depends on which inconveniences you want. I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it. I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram.



As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird.



If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP. This may or may not matter to you. Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP. Windows Live Mail doesn't. I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using. So you may have to set them on the server anyway.



Gene

----- )Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this
happen?\


Mary







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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Rod Hutton
 

Okay, Marry,

Just wanted to be sure. (smile)

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Thank you, Rod. I did see your message and saved it. I don’t have window eyes on my new machine, but I do have jaws and NVDA.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a
little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client,
and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view.
Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single
keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and
sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message
and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the
preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of
email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked
at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird,
latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to
have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the
folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you
get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of
the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the
inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree
view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there
a way to make this happen?\


Mary







Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Mary Otten <maryotten@...>
 

Thank you, Rod. I did see your message and saved it. I don’t have window eyes on my new machine, but I do have jaws and NVDA.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary







preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Rod Hutton
 

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary


Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Peter Spitz
 

Thanks to everyone for all the great info.

Peter

On 12/1/17, Peter Spitz <peter.a.spitz@gmail.com> wrote:
As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess
board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Michael Amaro
 

I do have a device that allows me to get wifi threw the power lines.  That indeed does see the 5g network.  It is a 2 peace system the first connects  to the modem via an ethernet cable then the other peace plugs in to the room near the computer

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

Hello,

 

                That card, as indicated by the name, probably does not support the 5.8 band. Were I you, and if I wanted to get the network on the computer, I would buy a USB wireless adapter, making sure it is either 802.11ac or dual-band n, preferably the former. This shouldn’t cost too much and will solve the problem.

Aman

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 1:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

it is a del wireless 1707

 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

From: Aman Singer

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

For the most part, it is usually the card. For some cases, drivers will matter, especially if the card supports something Windows 10 doesn’t at the moment. Another workaround is to let the router allow devices on 2.4 GHz band to connect.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

is it the card? or the driver How much does a card run? for?

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

That explains why. In order to connect to 5 GHz network, you need to use a dual-band (or increasingly, triple band) wireless card that supports 2.4 and 5 GHz networks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

it is a del wireless 1707

 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Gene
 

Here is a link to the installer for the newer ribbon version of Windows Live Mail.  There is an older menu version.  I think they both work in Windows 10 but I don't recall the little discussion I've seen of that.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3dk1rfpnpzezb3t/windows%20Live%20Mail%20newer%20newlsetup-all.exe?dl=1
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk.  When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written.  This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.
 
As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you.  I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you.  If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Thanks, Gene,


I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.


Mary


On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about.  It may help you decide which program you want to use.
 
It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added.  Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change     this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard.  It requires use of drag and drop.  Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using.  Ask if you want to know.  It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird.  I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard.  it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program.  But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders.  there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders.  This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird.  So it depends on which inconveniences you want.  I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it.  I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram. 
 
As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird. 
 
If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP.  This may or may not matter to you.  Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP.  Windows Live Mail doesn't.  I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using.  So you may have to set them on the server anyway.
 
Gene
----- )Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary





Re: Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Laz
 

Most likely because either they didn't fix the VRS you sent them but
sent you a replacement one with a different SD card, or they removed
your SD card from the VRS while they fixed it and sent you back the
wrong SD card.

Laz

On 12/2/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I did not know that. When mine was returned to me, it had a different SD
card in it without the instructions I had on the other one. The dealer was
good enough to bring me back up to snuff. It could be that Humanware
replaced it with whatever they usually have from scratch.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laz
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

They're referring to the internal memory card, not the SD card that one can
just pop out and insert easily. Laz

On 12/1/17, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
Can't you replace the bad card yourself? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Mine was still under warrantee, and it did not cost. I did loose
everything that was on that bad card that was sent by the vendor, who,
of course, could have no way of knowing that the card was
contaminated. Humanware paid for shipping it both ways, and they fixed
it, got it back pretty fast with a replacement card in it. Since then
I bought a 32 GB card, because I always keep anywhere from 10-25 books
on the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Hello,

Out of nowhere, my second generation Victor Reader Stream decided to
stop powering on, or rather, it’ll get as far as “Welcome to
Victor...” before shutting down. A factory reset did not work, and
tech support said it would need to be sent in to have its micro SD card
replaced.

Does anyone have any idea how much this will cost? The tech support
guy was vague, only said it would be the least expensive of repairs,
but if the unit arrives and I refuse to pay for the fix, they’ll
charge me $95 as a maintenance fee.

Alternatively, does anyone know if this is something that can be fixed
independently?

The unit is a few months shy of five years old. It’s understandably
old, and while I am willing to pay for repairs, I would rather not pay
near original price. At that point I may as well replace it or get
something else.

And, please, no pointing out how I could just use my iPhone. I very
much prefer using a second device on account of longer battery and
tactile buttons. Yes, I’m a weird millennial.

Thanks for any help! And if you know of anyone selling their VRS,
please let me know this as well!

Joe








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Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Aman Singer
 

Hello,

 

                That card, as indicated by the name, probably does not support the 5.8 band. Were I you, and if I wanted to get the network on the computer, I would buy a USB wireless adapter, making sure it is either 802.11ac or dual-band n, preferably the former. This shouldn’t cost too much and will solve the problem.

Aman

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 1:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

it is a del wireless 1707

 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Michael Amaro
 

is it the card? or the driver How much does a card run? for?

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

Hi,

That explains why. In order to connect to 5 GHz network, you need to use a dual-band (or increasingly, triple band) wireless card that supports 2.4 and 5 GHz networks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

it is a del wireless 1707

 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

From: Aman Singer

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

That explains why. In order to connect to 5 GHz network, you need to use a dual-band (or increasingly, triple band) wireless card that supports 2.4 and 5 GHz networks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

it is a del wireless 1707

 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Michael Amaro
 

it is a del wireless 1707
 802.11B/G/n2.4GHZ

Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


Re: windows 10 and 5g network

Aman Singer
 

Hi,

 

                If I may ask, what is the wireless card in the machine? Whether a device sees a network has little or nothing to do with the operating system and everything to do with the hardware. Does Dell say that the machine supports 802.11ac or that the card is dual-band? If so, have you gone into device manager and made sure that the card is set to scan all bands? Also, since this is a desktop, can you put another device which you know does see 5.8 gigahertz networks in the same location and make sure that the network can be seen from that location? Keep in mind that the range of 5.8 networks is shorter than that of 2.4 networks.

Aman

  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 and 5g network

 

Hello Listers,

 

Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?

 

thanks


windows 10 and 5g network

Michael Amaro
 

Hello Listers,
 
Last month I bought my self a del desktop computer it comes with windows 10 home I upgraded it to pro 64 bit.  How ever It doesn't seem to see my 5g network.  How do I go about getting it to see my 5g network?
 
thanks


Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Mary Otten <maryotten@...>
 

Hi Carolyn,
Why didn’t you like it on?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

In Outlook, press Alt+v+p+n to get to the pain. I don't think you'll like it on. I tried it, did not like it at all.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don't use Outlook so someone else will have to tell you how to turn the preview pane on. The preview pane allows you to read messages by tabbing to the text without pressing enter on the message. When you move to a message in the message list, the message automatically opens in the preview pane or opens enough to show the text. If you aren't reading messages in plain text, it may be more dangerous to open messages in the preview pane because malicious content in a message might run but my impression is that with the settings used by default in e-mail programs today, this isn't much of a threat anymore.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??


Hi Gene, I am using Outlook 2016 with Jaws 2018 on a 64 bit Win 10 computer.



Is the message header list, the preview pain?



What exactly do I need to do make the messages easier to read?



Is there any way to delete the message without having to close it first?



Many and sincere Thanks!



Vicky



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk. When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written. This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.



As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you. I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you. If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Thanks, Gene,



I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.



Mary



On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about. It may help you decide which program you want to use.



It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added. Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard. It requires use of drag and drop. Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using. Ask if you want to know. It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird. I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard. it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program. But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders. there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders. This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird. So it depends on which inconveniences you want. I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it. I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram.



As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird.



If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP. This may or may not matter to you. Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP. Windows Live Mail doesn't. I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using. So you may have to set them on the server anyway.



Gene

----- )Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


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Re: outlook 2016

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

Outlook is not part of all Office versions.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook 2016

Outlook should be a part of the Microsoft Office Suite.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley and
guide dog nitro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook 2016

is outlook 2016 free? i dont seem to have it on my pc. i do
have office, but not sure of the version, but its a later
version, and ihave jaws 17, and windows 10, anyone know if I
can install outlook and if its a good email client. I am
using the native mail ap that comes with windows but i dont
really like it.
shirley





Re: outlook 2016

Carolyn Arnold
 

Outlook should be a part of the Microsoft Office Suite.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley and
guide dog nitro
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 2:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook 2016

is outlook 2016 free? i dont seem to have it on my pc. i do
have office, but not sure of the version, but its a later
version, and ihave jaws 17, and windows 10, anyone know if I
can install outlook and if its a good email client. I am
using the native mail ap that comes with windows but i dont
really like it.
shirley


Re: Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Carolyn Arnold
 

I did not know that. When mine was returned to me, it had a different SD card in it without the instructions I had on the other one. The dealer was good enough to bring me back up to snuff. It could be that Humanware replaced it with whatever they usually have from scratch.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

They're referring to the internal memory card, not the SD card that one can just pop out and insert easily. Laz

On 12/1/17, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
Can't you replace the bad card yourself? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Mine was still under warrantee, and it did not cost. I did loose
everything that was on that bad card that was sent by the vendor, who,
of course, could have no way of knowing that the card was
contaminated. Humanware paid for shipping it both ways, and they fixed
it, got it back pretty fast with a replacement card in it. Since then
I bought a 32 GB card, because I always keep anywhere from 10-25 books
on the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Hello,

Out of nowhere, my second generation Victor Reader Stream decided to
stop powering on, or rather, it’ll get as far as “Welcome to
Victor...” before shutting down. A factory reset did not work, and
tech support said it would need to be sent in to have its micro SD card replaced.

Does anyone have any idea how much this will cost? The tech support
guy was vague, only said it would be the least expensive of repairs,
but if the unit arrives and I refuse to pay for the fix, they’ll
charge me $95 as a maintenance fee.

Alternatively, does anyone know if this is something that can be fixed
independently?

The unit is a few months shy of five years old. It’s understandably
old, and while I am willing to pay for repairs, I would rather not pay
near original price. At that point I may as well replace it or get
something else.

And, please, no pointing out how I could just use my iPhone. I very
much prefer using a second device on account of longer battery and
tactile buttons. Yes, I’m a weird millennial.

Thanks for any help! And if you know of anyone selling their VRS,
please let me know this as well!

Joe








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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Vicky Vaughan <vrvaughan63@...>
 

Hi, Thank you Carolyn.

Sincerely, Vicky

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

In Outlook, press Alt+v+p+n to get to the pain. I don't think you'll like it on. I tried it, did not like it at all.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don't use Outlook so someone else will have to tell you how to turn the preview pane on. The preview pane allows you to read messages by tabbing to the text without pressing enter on the message. When you move to a message in the message list, the message automatically opens in the preview pane or opens enough to show the text. If you aren't reading messages in plain text, it may be more dangerous to open messages in the preview pane because malicious content in a message might run but my impression is that with the settings used by default in e-mail programs today, this isn't much of a threat anymore.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??


Hi Gene, I am using Outlook 2016 with Jaws 2018 on a 64 bit Win 10 computer.



Is the message header list, the preview pain?



What exactly do I need to do make the messages easier to read?



Is there any way to delete the message without having to close it first?



Many and sincere Thanks!



Vicky



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk. When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written. This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.



As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you. I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you. If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Thanks, Gene,



I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.



Mary



On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about. It may help you decide which program you want to use.



It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added. Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard. It requires use of drag and drop. Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using. Ask if you want to know. It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird. I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard. it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program. But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders. there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders. This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird. So it depends on which inconveniences you want. I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it. I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram.



As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird.



If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP. This may or may not matter to you. Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP. Windows Live Mail doesn't. I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using. So you may have to set them on the server anyway.



Gene

----- )Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary







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