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WLM and outlook accounts

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

A while back, someone posted instructions on how to get WLM to send and receive messages from an Outlook/Hotmail or Live account. I thought I had kept it but can’t find it so could you please re-post the instructions?
Thanks, Marie
 

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Amazon Echo or Google HomeWhich will access YouTube?

Audrey Joy
 

Hi Everyone,

As I wrote last week, I bought my friend an Amazon Echo Dot.

My cousin set it up for him using my IPhone because he owns neither a computer nor smartphone, or other kind of tablet.

He really wants to listen to YouTube videos of Indian music and movies; is there a way for Alexa to access that?

Or, should I return this to Best Buy and buy him a Google Home device.

Please advise.

Note: I only check this email address on the weekends; my regular email address is
audjoy@ajlmusic.org

Thanks, and have a happy holiday season.

Audrey

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@ca.rr.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] is there a standalone kindle reader that blind folks can use?



Hi Mary,
I am a Kurzweil user, and remember your name from the former group. This kindle thing is for a dr. friend of mine who has recently become blind. I am teaching him how to use jaws with his computer, but I think he would be really interested in the fire tablet. What more do you know about it? You can write me off list at jazzpiano@ca.rr. Com. Jim

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] is there a standalone kindle reader that blind folks can use?

Hi Jim,
Yes, you can certainly use the Kindle on a PC with either Jaws or NVDA. The support has gotten much better in the last couple of months. And yes, you can also use some of the Kindle e-reader's. Those are the devices that are made just for reading books. Otherwise, the cheapest alternative is to purchase a Kindle fire tablet. That lets you re-kindle books and also do other things. And right now, those tablets are on a good deal of Amazon. The cheapest one is the fire seven and I think it's $30 right now. The HD eight is $50, and the HD 10 is $100 for the les expensive device. Aside from size, the major difference that would concern us would be the fact that both theeight and the 10 have two speakers, and they sound better than the seven. Also the 10 has a newer processor and more storage space, although all of them come with a card slot. I don't have personal experience using the E readers, but I know that some of them can be used.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@ca.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I don't have a kindle reader now, but I am thinking about getting one. Is there a standalone kindle reader that I can get that I wouldn't have to use my computer with it? If not that, how does one use the kindle with a P"C? Jim
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Re: Amazon prime pantry

Bob J
 

Hello Kay,
 
If you are an Amazon Prime member, you should be able to order, outside of the Prime Pantry, any one item or any number of any item and get free, 2-day delivery regardless of the cost of any one or more items in that order.  This is true for items sold by or fulfilled by Amazon.  Some so-called market place, third-party vendors do not follow those guidelines.
 
Orders from the Prime Pantry ordinarily require a shipping charge of $ 5.99 for each pantry box even if the box contains only one small, inexpensive item for the order.
 
Very recently, it seems that Amazon has made some changes to their shipping charges for pantry boxes.  Now, it seems, that you can order any number of Prime Pantry items and pay only one $ 5.99 shipping charge for that order.  In addition, you can subscribe to a Prime Pantry membership and get free shipping on Prime Pantry orders totaling $ 40.00 or more.  It is still not clear to me if the Prime Pantry membership costs $ 5.99 or $ 4.99 per month which, of course, they will charge to your account every month whether or not you place any Prime Pantry orders during that month.  For me, I rarely place any order for any where near $ 40.00 for Prime Pantry items, so, it is very unlikely that I will subscribe to a Prime Pantry membership!

hth
 
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

Hey Michael,
Thanks for the help.  You are probably quite right and I should just call Amazon.  Take care.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

 

I don’t really understand the Prime Pantry myself and have experienced many of the same things that you have mentioned. However, if you wish to purchase a Prime Pantry item without doing it as a PP item, then you will find the same     item else in the search results at a higher price. The item may or may not be marked as a Prime item, meaning that it qualifies for the Free 2-day shipping, which hardly ever happens anymore. In other words, you cannot purchase a Prime Pantry item for the great price that is quoted for the item without buying a box full of stuff. If you wish to speak to someone who would know, I would call the Amazon disability Customer Service line at 888-283-1678.

 

I purchased an item on Friday that was a Prime shipping item, but it said that I would not receive it until Wednesday of next week. Since the US Postal Service Is now delivering Amazon items on Sundays, that calculates into about 5 days for delivery.

 

Michael

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

 

I am really not sure where to ask these questions, but here goes.  I simply don't understand the prime pantry.  Yes, I understand that you basically buy a box for $5.  now, when you fill it up it goes by percentages.  But as you fill it up it might say you have 3 items left and so you get 3 more items and now it says that you still have 3 more items left and you have started on the next box.  So, you take an item out and you don't have a full box and it might say again that you have 3 more items.  This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.  Now comes the next problem.  You can only buy one of an item even though more than one would fit in a box and if you do buy more than one, they will add another box even though that one is not full yet.  There is so much I don't get about this service and as of now I find it a supreme pain to use.  Now, for my next question.  If an item is marked as being prime pantry and you only want to buy one thing, is there any way to buy it not as a prime pantry item?  If anyone has any suggestions or can help me out I'd be forever grateful.  Thanks in advance.

 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...


Re: Reading BRF files for the first time.

Aman Singer
 

Hi,

Are the brf files contracted or uncontracted, if I may ask? If the
former, make sure that you are reading in uncontracted braille. You do not
need to translate the file since it is already translated. If they are
uncontracted, then you can use the iPhone's translation to translate them,
of course, but I am tempted to think, given the problems you're having, that
you are trying to read contracted files with the braille translator turned
on. That won't work.
Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Reading BRF files for the first time.

Hi,

This is the first time I've ever read a BRF file, specifically on my iPhone
5s with IOS 11 2. I'um using Accessnote. I've noticed that what I'm read+
is cluttered with characters like disble, brackets and such. Is there a
way to clean that up, or could it actually be Braille music? It's the
letteryics of songs.

thanks much,


Sharon H.


Re: Amazon prime pantry

Kay Malmquist
 

Hey Michael,
Thanks for the help.  You are probably quite right and I should just call Amazon.  Take care.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

 

I don’t really understand the Prime Pantry myself and have experienced many of the same things that you have mentioned. However, if you wish to purchase a Prime Pantry item without doing it as a PP item, then you will find the same     item else in the search results at a higher price. The item may or may not be marked as a Prime item, meaning that it qualifies for the Free 2-day shipping, which hardly ever happens anymore. In other words, you cannot purchase a Prime Pantry item for the great price that is quoted for the item without buying a box full of stuff. If you wish to speak to someone who would know, I would call the Amazon disability Customer Service line at 888-283-1678.

 

I purchased an item on Friday that was a Prime shipping item, but it said that I would not receive it until Wednesday of next week. Since the US Postal Service Is now delivering Amazon items on Sundays, that calculates into about 5 days for delivery.

 

Michael

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

 

I am really not sure where to ask these questions, but here goes.  I simply don't understand the prime pantry.  Yes, I understand that you basically buy a box for $5.  now, when you fill it up it goes by percentages.  But as you fill it up it might say you have 3 items left and so you get 3 more items and now it says that you still have 3 more items left and you have started on the next box.  So, you take an item out and you don't have a full box and it might say again that you have 3 more items.  This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.  Now comes the next problem.  You can only buy one of an item even though more than one would fit in a box and if you do buy more than one, they will add another box even though that one is not full yet.  There is so much I don't get about this service and as of now I find it a supreme pain to use.  Now, for my next question.  If an item is marked as being prime pantry and you only want to buy one thing, is there any way to buy it not as a prime pantry item?  If anyone has any suggestions or can help me out I'd be forever grateful.  Thanks in advance.

 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...


Reading BRF files for the first time.

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

This is the first time I've ever read a BRF file, specifically on my iPhone 5s with IOS 11 2. I'um using Accessnote. I've noticed that what I'm read+ is cluttered with characters like disble, brackets and such. Is there a way to clean that up, or could it actually be Braille music? It's the letteryics of songs.

thanks much,


Sharon H.


Re: Amazon prime pantry

Michael Boyd <mike122061@...>
 

 

I don’t really understand the Prime Pantry myself and have experienced many of the same things that you have mentioned. However, if you wish to purchase a Prime Pantry item without doing it as a PP item, then you will find the same     item else in the search results at a higher price. The item may or may not be marked as a Prime item, meaning that it qualifies for the Free 2-day shipping, which hardly ever happens anymore. In other words, you cannot purchase a Prime Pantry item for the great price that is quoted for the item without buying a box full of stuff. If you wish to speak to someone who would know, I would call the Amazon disability Customer Service line at 888-283-1678.

 

I purchased an item on Friday that was a Prime shipping item, but it said that I would not receive it until Wednesday of next week. Since the US Postal Service Is now delivering Amazon items on Sundays, that calculates into about 5 days for delivery.

 

Michael

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Amazon prime pantry

 

I am really not sure where to ask these questions, but here goes.  I simply don't understand the prime pantry.  Yes, I understand that you basically buy a box for $5.  now, when you fill it up it goes by percentages.  But as you fill it up it might say you have 3 items left and so you get 3 more items and now it says that you still have 3 more items left and you have started on the next box.  So, you take an item out and you don't have a full box and it might say again that you have 3 more items.  This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.  Now comes the next problem.  You can only buy one of an item even though more than one would fit in a box and if you do buy more than one, they will add another box even though that one is not full yet.  There is so much I don't get about this service and as of now I find it a supreme pain to use.  Now, for my next question.  If an item is marked as being prime pantry and you only want to buy one thing, is there any way to buy it not as a prime pantry item?  If anyone has any suggestions or can help me out I'd be forever grateful.  Thanks in advance.

 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...


Re: Thunderbird questions

Audrey Joy
 

Thanks Gene,

I'm just getting to these posts now; so I'm hoping to find more posts that will answer my questions.

Audrey

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:27 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunderbird questions



But that isn't the problem. F6 and shift F6 will move you to different parts of the program. They have nothing to do with closing messages. The setting being asked about has to do with whether messages are opened in the same window or in new windows. I don't use thunderbird and I can't give much more information. But if you use the setting, as I recall, to open messages in the same window, you can close them with escape.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunderbird questions


F6 and shift-F6 are your best friends in T-Bird.


On 11/26/2017 11:26 PM, Audrey Joy wrote:
Hi everyone,

I hope all those in the US had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday.

I have some questions about Thunderbird:

1. How can I exit the message (go back to the inbox) by pressing
"escape" instead of "ctrl-W"? What setting is that? Which menu will get me there?

2. How do I stop Jaws from saying "junk" or something like that each time I open the message?

3. How do I stop it from telling me when I have new messages?

Note: I check this email address only on the weekends. I use
audjoy@ajlmusic.org all the time.

Thank you; have a nice day.

Audrey





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Amazon prime pantry

Kay Malmquist
 

I am really not sure where to ask these questions, but here goes.  I simply don't understand the prime pantry.  Yes, I understand that you basically buy a box for $5.  now, when you fill it up it goes by percentages.  But as you fill it up it might say you have 3 items left and so you get 3 more items and now it says that you still have 3 more items left and you have started on the next box.  So, you take an item out and you don't have a full box and it might say again that you have 3 more items.  This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.  Now comes the next problem.  You can only buy one of an item even though more than one would fit in a box and if you do buy more than one, they will add another box even though that one is not full yet.  There is so much I don't get about this service and as of now I find it a supreme pain to use.  Now, for my next question.  If an item is marked as being prime pantry and you only want to buy one thing, is there any way to buy it not as a prime pantry item?  If anyone has any suggestions or can help me out I'd be forever grateful.  Thanks in advance.
 
Kay Malmquist
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Re: Do I need to install java access bridge?

Leo Bado
 

ok, thank you, both.




El 3/12/2017 a las 09:01, Gene escribió:
It's already installed on later versions of Windows and you don't need to worry about it if you don't use JAVA and most people don't.  In all my years of using computers, I only used it for one radio station that required it and even that one station no longer does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:38 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Do I need to install java access bridge?

hi listers,

This is something that has been on my mind for a while since I had red
on different mailing lists people talking about java access bridge.

I red what J A B is on oracle's web site, however there's so many
technical language that I get lost even more... so border line,

I use jaws 2018 and nvda and my question is, do I need to install J A B?


if so, what specific task would be improved by this program?


thanks for further info.







Re: Do I need to install java access bridge?

Gene
 

It's already installed on later versions of Windows and you don't need to worry about it if you don't use JAVA and most people don't.  In all my years of using computers, I only used it for one radio station that required it and even that one station no longer does.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:38 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Do I need to install java access bridge?

hi listers,

This is something that has been on my mind for a while since I had red
on different mailing lists people talking about java access bridge.

I red what J A B is on oracle's web site, however there's so many
technical language that I get lost even more... so border line,

I use jaws 2018 and nvda and my question is, do I need to install J A B?


if so, what specific task would be improved by this program?


thanks for further info.






Re: Do I need to install java access bridge?

Flor Lynch
 

Hi Leo,

Unless you're using an application or program whose interface is in JAVA, you don't need to install Java Access Bridge. It makes such programs somewhat or ok accessible, where you have no accessibility to them without it. I can't speak to NVDA; but with JAWS, if running a 64-bit system, you'll neede both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Java Access Brridge - this is despite the common assertion that you only need the bit version appropriate to your OS: JAWS doesn't work with just one of them (Java Access Bridge) on a 64-bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Do I need to install java access bridge?

hi listers,

This is something that has been on my mind for a while since I had red
on different mailing lists people talking about java access bridge.

I red what J A B is on oracle's web site, however there's so many
technical language that I get lost even more... so border line,

I use jaws 2018 and nvda and my question is, do I need to install J A B?


if so, what specific task would be improved by this program?


thanks for further info.


Do I need to install java access bridge?

Leo Bado
 

hi listers,

This is something that has been on my mind for a while since I had red on different mailing lists people talking about java access bridge.

I red what J A B is on oracle's web site, however there's so many technical language that I get lost even more... so border line,

I use jaws 2018 and nvda and my question is, do I need to install J A B?


if so, what specific task would be improved by this program?


thanks for further info.


Re: Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Carolyn Arnold
 

That makes sense.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 1:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Most likely because either they didn't fix the VRS you sent them but sent you a replacement one with a different SD card, or they removed your SD card from the VRS while they fixed it and sent you back the wrong SD card.

Laz

On 12/2/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I did not know that. When mine was returned to me, it had a different
SD card in it without the instructions I had on the other one. The
dealer was good enough to bring me back up to snuff. It could be that
Humanware replaced it with whatever they usually have from scratch.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

They're referring to the internal memory card, not the SD card that
one can just pop out and insert easily. Laz

On 12/1/17, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
Can't you replace the bad card yourself? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor
Reader

Mine was still under warrantee, and it did not cost. I did loose
everything that was on that bad card that was sent by the vendor,
who, of course, could have no way of knowing that the card was
contaminated. Humanware paid for shipping it both ways, and they
fixed it, got it back pretty fast with a replacement card in it.
Since then I bought a 32 GB card, because I always keep anywhere from
10-25 books on the thing.

Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Replacing the Micro SD Card on a Victor Reader

Hello,

Out of nowhere, my second generation Victor Reader Stream decided to
stop powering on, or rather, it’ll get as far as “Welcome to
Victor...” before shutting down. A factory reset did not work, and
tech support said it would need to be sent in to have its micro SD
card replaced.

Does anyone have any idea how much this will cost? The tech support
guy was vague, only said it would be the least expensive of repairs,
but if the unit arrives and I refuse to pay for the fix, they’ll
charge me $95 as a maintenance fee.

Alternatively, does anyone know if this is something that can be
fixed independently?

The unit is a few months shy of five years old. It’s understandably
old, and while I am willing to pay for repairs, I would rather not
pay near original price. At that point I may as well replace it or
get something else.

And, please, no pointing out how I could just use my iPhone. I very
much prefer using a second device on account of longer battery and
tactile buttons. Yes, I’m a weird millennial.

Thanks for any help! And if you know of anyone selling their VRS,
please let me know this as well!

Joe








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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Carolyn Arnold
 

I can't seem to get it back on, but the best that I remember is that it was like too much traffic or too much reading, when I needed to get into a message.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Carolyn,
Why didn’t you like it on?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

In Outlook, press Alt+v+p+n to get to the pain. I don't think you'll like it on. I tried it, did not like it at all.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don't use Outlook so someone else will have to tell you how to turn the preview pane on. The preview pane allows you to read messages by tabbing to the text without pressing enter on the message. When you move to a message in the message list, the message automatically opens in the preview pane or opens enough to show the text. If you aren't reading messages in plain text, it may be more dangerous to open messages in the preview pane because malicious content in a message might run but my impression is that with the settings used by default in e-mail programs today, this isn't much of a threat anymore.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??


Hi Gene, I am using Outlook 2016 with Jaws 2018 on a 64 bit Win 10 computer.



Is the message header list, the preview pain?



What exactly do I need to do make the messages easier to read?



Is there any way to delete the message without having to close it first?



Many and sincere Thanks!



Vicky



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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk. When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written. This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.



As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you. I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you. If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Thanks, Gene,



I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.



Mary



On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about. It may help you decide which program you want to use.



It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added. Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard. It requires use of drag and drop. Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using. Ask if you want to know. It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird. I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard. it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program. But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders. there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders. This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird. So it depends on which inconveniences you want. I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it. I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram.



As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird.



If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP. This may or may not matter to you. Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP. Windows Live Mail doesn't. I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using. So you may have to set them on the server anyway.



Gene

----- )Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this
happen?\


Mary







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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Carolyn Arnold
 

I can't remember, so I just turned it back on, will see how it does.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Carolyn,
Why didn’t you like it on?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

In Outlook, press Alt+v+p+n to get to the pain. I don't think you'll like it on. I tried it, did not like it at all.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

I don't use Outlook so someone else will have to tell you how to turn the preview pane on. The preview pane allows you to read messages by tabbing to the text without pressing enter on the message. When you move to a message in the message list, the message automatically opens in the preview pane or opens enough to show the text. If you aren't reading messages in plain text, it may be more dangerous to open messages in the preview pane because malicious content in a message might run but my impression is that with the settings used by default in e-mail programs today, this isn't much of a threat anymore.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??


Hi Gene, I am using Outlook 2016 with Jaws 2018 on a 64 bit Win 10 computer.



Is the message header list, the preview pain?



What exactly do I need to do make the messages easier to read?



Is there any way to delete the message without having to close it first?



Many and sincere Thanks!



Vicky



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



I don’t have Windows 10 but my impression from user comments is that it works well in Windows 10, but there may be a quirk. When writing a message, at least some people evidently have to leave and return to the message to be able to read what they have written. This can be very quickly and easily done by pressing alt twice.



As far as an installer is concerned, other list members may know where to direct you. I believe I have the installer in my Drop Box account and I should be able to send it to you. If you don't hear anything in a reasonable time, I'll send it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:56 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Thanks, Gene,



I started out on this machine with the native windows 10 email app, since I understood that Windows live mail was kind of fading out or wasn't available for Win 10. I didn't like the native app because of all the crazy tab, tab, tabbing I had to do. I did look through David Moore's tutorial on that subject. I guess it is a simple enough app, but I wanted something a bit more robust, so I got T-bird. I do like the fact that T-bird lets you set message rules, although I haven't done it yet, because I'm not settled on it as my final destination as an email client. I do like t-bird better with NVDA than with JAWS, because it doesn't read the subject line once you open a message and start a say all. And I'm ok with subject first when email is being scrolled through, but I agree that it should be user adjustable. If I'm wrong about WLM and win 10, feel free to set me straight, and I'll try to find install and check it out.



Mary



On 12/1/2017 6:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a rather long message where I discuss various aspects of e-mail programs you may not know about. It may help you decide which program you want to use.



It's unfortunate that in implementing accessibility for Thunderbird, such conveniences haven't been added. Also, if you are annoyed, as a lot of blind people and many sighted people are as well, by the subject line being shown first in message headers in Thunderbird, you can change this but it isn't accessible using program commands from the keyboard. It requires use of drag and drop. Others can explain how you do this with whatever screen-reader you are using. Ask if you want to know. It's little annoyances like this, which go uncorrected and unaddressed for years, that is one reason I don't use thunderbird. I use Windows Live Mail, which shows the from line first, and which allows adjustment of all these things from the keyboard. it also allows you to jump to the inbox with one shortcut command from wherever you are in the program. But recently, Thunderbird has generally passed Windows Live Mail in moving among folders. there is an add on that lets you use first letter navigation in folders. This didn't used to be available in either Windows Live Mail or thunderbird. So it depends on which inconveniences you want. I don't use thunderbird, but I know something about it. I believe you can get to the message list much faster if you use f6 after opening the prohgram.



As for Outlook, if you have some specific reason to use it, that's fine but I see more complaints about it than about any of the other popular Windows programs discussed here, that is Windows Live Mail, the Windows 10 e-mail app and Thunderbird.



If you use message rules, I should point out that both Outlook and Thunderbird support establishing message rules in the program itself, rather than having to do it on the server if you use IMAP. This may or may not matter to you. Outlook also allows you to set rules in the program with IMAP. Windows Live Mail doesn't. I don't know this but I would think that if you use this feature, it only applies to Outlook or Thunderbird and doesn't cause message rules to be applied in any other device you are using. So you may have to set them on the server anyway.



Gene

----- )Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten <mailto:maryotten@comcast.net>

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 8:12 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??



Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and
I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both
of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to
get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of,
an email message, without having to open the message and start a say
all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be
a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both
Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I
figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release
version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open
with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of
available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and
have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in
T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I
would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that
useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this
happen?\


Mary







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Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Rod Hutton
 

Okay, Marry,

Just wanted to be sure. (smile)

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Thank you, Rod. I did see your message and saved it. I don’t have window eyes on my new machine, but I do have jaws and NVDA.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a
little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client,
and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view.
Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single
keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and
sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message
and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the
preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of
email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked
at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird,
latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to
have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the
folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you
get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of
the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the
inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree
view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there
a way to make this happen?\


Mary







Re: preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Mary Otten <maryotten@...>
 

Thank you, Rod. I did see your message and saved it. I don’t have window eyes on my new machine, but I do have jaws and NVDA.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary







preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Rod Hutton
 

Hi Mary,

I'm not sure whether this made it to the list, and so I just thought I'd send it again.
Please let me know if I can help in any way with Outlook.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: December 2, 2017 6:13 AM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi Mary,

I use Outlook in Office 365, and I can whiz through messages which open as soon as you delete the one you're reading.
I haven't configured the preview pane since, coming from using Window-Eyes, and, indeed, continuing to use it, the Window-Eyes Outlook Enhance app always turns it off automatically.
The key is to set up Outlook to load the next or previous message automatically, depending on how you sort them in your current folder.
Since I sort my messages by subject, and then by date, with oldest at the bottom, I set up Outlook in the Outlook Mail Options to load the previous message automatically, and so this loads the newest message as soon as I delete it using the Outlook hotkey Ctrl-D.
As for reading the current message automatically, I use a Window-Eyes Cursor key definition for the cursor key Ctrl-D to execute the read to end command, and this just reads the next loaded message after you manually delete the current one.
With Jaws, the automatic reading of messages is set up using the quick verbosity dialog, accessed with Insert-V.
That's all there is to it, although, I admit, perhaps it may sound a little complicated. (smile)

Best,

Rod


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December 1, 2017 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] preview pane in Outlook or Thunderbird??

Hi all,


I have come from a Windows xp machine using a very old email client, and I have also used the Mac native email client in its classic view. Both of these have the distinction of being able to use a single keystroke to get to a preview pane where you can read much of, and sometimes all of, an email message, without having to open the message and start a say all, then close the message and delete it. I find the preview pane to be a more efficient means of dealing with a lot of email. I have both Outlook from Office 16, which I haven't even looked at yet, because I figure it is seriously complicated, and Thunderbird, latest release version. Is there a way in either of these clients to have them open with focus either in the inbox, or at least on the folder preview of available boxes for a given account, then let you get into the inbox and have a preview pane available with one press of the tab key? Also, in T-bird, it always opens to the tool bar with the inbox tab selected. I would prefer that it open with the inbox tree view in focus, not that useless tab. More wasted keystrokes. Is there a way to make this happen?\


Mary


Re: Is there a blind accessible chessboard?

Peter Spitz
 

Thanks to everyone for all the great info.

Peter

On 12/1/17, Peter Spitz <peter.a.spitz@gmail.com> wrote:
As the subject states, I'm loking for an accessible electronic chess
board. If anyone has some experience with one, please let me know.

Thanks,

Peter

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