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Re: how to activate buttons with jaws?

stacy west <stacywest406@...>
 

thanks so much. I wasn't too keane on sharing the link as it was a depression site.


but I'm now in.


the cursor thing worked

On 11/01/2018 19:21, Gene wrote:
I assume you are asking about a web site. If a site is publicly accessible, please give the link to the page you are asking about. Just copy and paste it into the message from the address bar. People can tell you various things to try but without being able to test the site, people can't tell you if they found something that will definitely work or if nothing people try works.

Space is supposed to work on web sites. If it doesn't, you can try using enter. If that doesn't work, you can try routing the mouse to the virtual pc cursor and activating it with left click. Stay in the virtual cursor for all this.

If that doesn't work, you can try turning off the Virtual PC cursor and read current line to see if you are on the button. If you aren't and if you are cloase enough to make this reasonable, tab or shift tab to get to it. Then try the space bar.

Trying to route the mouse to the button with the virtual pc cursorr may work but it often won't. It will often take you out of the window when you click, but you can try.

Control z turns the virtual pc cursor off. It also toggles it back on.
Gene


From: stacy west
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] how to activate buttons with jaws?


how do I activate buttons with jaws?


for example:


register button


pressing enter on it won't seem to move to the form


any ideas




Anyone heard of and or tried the Tails OS

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I saw an article on Kim Komandos email newsletter about a OS that you put on a thumb drive and you can use it on any computer so no one can tract your Internet browsing. It is called "tails". Sounds interesting, would like to know if anyone has tried it and if so is it accessible? I am thinking it probably is not so I don't want to download and install it if it is not.


Re: how to activate buttons with jaws?

Gene
 

I assume you are asking about a web site.  If a site is publicly accessible, please give the link to the page you are asking about.  Just copy and paste it into the message from the address bar.  People can tell you various things to try but without being able to test the site, people can't tell you if they found something that will definitely work or if nothing people try works. 
 
Space is supposed to work on web sites.  If it doesn't, you can try using enter. If that doesn't work, you can try routing the mouse to the virtual pc cursor and activating it with left click.  Stay in the virtual cursor for all this.   
 
If that doesn't work, you can try turning off the Virtual PC cursor and read current line to see if you are on the button.  If you aren't and if you are cloase enough to make this reasonable, tab or shift tab to get to it.  Then try the space bar. 
 
Trying to route the mouse to the button with the virtual pc cursorr may work but it often won't.  It will often take you out of the window when you click, but you can try. 
 
Control z turns the virtual pc cursor off.  It also toggles it back on. 
Gene

From: stacy west
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:12 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] how to activate buttons with jaws?

how do I     activate buttons with jaws?


for example:


register button


pressing enter on it won't seem to move to the form


any ideas




Re: how to activate buttons with jaws?

Thom Spittle
 

Usually Enter or Space Bar will do the trick.
Here is an alternative.
When on the button try clicking the left moust button, it is the
slash, which is above the number 8 on the number pad.

Sometimes things don't work as they shold

Another thing you can do is do insert F3. This will bring up a list.
arrow to the word and you should get a list of buttons. You may try
to activate it there.
Thombutton

On 1/11/18, stacy west <stacywest406@gmail.com> wrote:
how do I     activate buttons with jaws?


for example:


register button


pressing enter on it won't seem to move to the form


any ideas





Re: how to activate buttons with jaws?

Allen West
 

Usually, the spacebar activates buttons. Most often either the spacebar or Enter activates them. Then there are those times when neither will work.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 11, 2018, at 1:12 PM, stacy west <stacywest406@gmail.com> wrote:

how do I activate buttons with jaws?


for example:


register button


pressing enter on it won't seem to move to the form


any ideas




how to activate buttons with jaws?

stacy west <stacywest406@...>
 

how do I     activate buttons with jaws?


for example:


register button


pressing enter on it won't seem to move to the form


any ideas


Re: My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Pamela Dominguez
 

I don't know that it does, because I've seen spoofed messages before groups.io. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

as this has happened on 2 lists so far both groups.io i think this has
got something to do with groups.io.


On 1/11/18, Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@eircom.net> wrote:
thanks Jean. awesome! I did it!
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


Sign into your list, find the link that says admin and press enter.
Then, look at the various settings, there are a lot of them. You will
find a checkbox you can check with the space bar for requiring all messages
to be approved, and as I recall, the checkbox also says moderated.
Then type the letter b to move to the save updates or similar wording.
Press the space bar. A new page will load and somewhere on the page, I
don't recall just where but it's not too far from the top if I remember
correctly, you will see that the page has been successfully updated, or
words to that effect.
Now, you will get a notification that every message needs approval,
including messages you send to the list. You probably know that to approve
a message, all you have to do is reply to the notice.

To return to unmoderated status, follow the same procedure but press the
space bar on the checkbox to uncheck it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shirley and Nitro
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


how do I put the entire list on moderated status?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


Changing passwords or anything else won't help. I don't know if you can
do anything about the spoofer in terms of finding out who it is and then
doing anything further. We have a spoofer who comes and goes from this
list. When this happens, I, the list owner, put the entire list on
moderated status and tell the list I'm doing so and that all legitimate mail
will get to the list but that there may be delays since all messages must be
approved. So far, doing this has stopped the spoofer from harassing the
list for significant periods of time. But the person may come back. if so,
doing the same thing again may well cause the spoofer to leave the list
alone again. there's no way to know what will happen in the future, but
that's what I've done when this spoofer has been on the list.

You can write to Groups.io support and see what they say. They didn't
say much when I wrote to them, perhaps because it may be much harder to
catch or take actions against the person than you might think. I don't have
the technical knowledge to discuss such questions further.

the spoofer wants to cause disruption and annoy people on lists. If you
take the actions I'm describing, and tell list members that you won't
approve any comments on the spoofer while the list is being moderated, the
spoofer won't get any enjoyment from trying to harass your list because the
person won't see reactions.

Approving technical questions about the spoofer such as if someone asks
if they need to change their e-mail password or if their account is hacked
is fine. I'm talking about not approving messages such as people discussing
the spoofer, the messages sent, or anything else except for technical
questions such as I discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shirley and Nitro
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


what do I do to get rid of them?

I have been recieving messages from a few members but they did not send
them, so i know there is a spoofer amongst us on my list.
also, i was able to determine that a blackberry phone is sending the
messages, can i get their ip address? trace them? are they actually a member
of my list or not?
how do i fix this?
shirley


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Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Gene
 

Having a message from the spoofer on this list and the one you have might tell us if it is the same person.  However, I believe that IP addresses can be spoofed as well so I'm not sure how reliable the information would be.  But such questions are beyond my technical knowledge and I'm more or less giving guesses but nothing by any means more.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

they were cruel and mean said mean things not abusive just very cruel things not sexual or anything but just not very nice either.
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Are the messages profane messages? 
 
I don't know what the message said telling you to log in to groups.io and I don't know if the login link given was a legitimate link or if it led somewhere else, such as a phishing site where someone could get your password for groups.io.  I'd need more information to comment at all on it. 
 
The junk mail is probably a coincidence. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

i will. and thanks. they have targeted 3 individuals on my list. made it look as if they sent messages when really they didnt. myself, and two other members.
also now i am getting a ton of junk  mail to my inbox,  and i got a notification that said to log in to groups.io but i ignored that.
any ideas?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Also, have you checked all the names of members on your list to be sure none are members you don't know or know have joined?  I'm not sure the spoofer could do what he/she is doing, that is responding to messages on list or getting the addresses of members to use for spoofing otherwise.  Check the list of members to be sure.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: Is Instagram accessible?

Mich Verrier
 

i am not shure if it is accessible how ever i would assume that the signe up might be but useing the app it's self might not be since to my knollige it is a way to send picks and see picks and that kind of thing and as we all know jaws doesn't read picks. from Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Is Instagram accessible?

I have sighted friends who keep sending me requests to join Instagram.
Is it accessible? Can I use it on both my iPhone SE and my computer
with JAWS 18 and Internet Explorer?

Thanks,

Peter


Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@...>
 

they were cruel and mean said mean things not abusive just very cruel things not sexual or anything but just not very nice either.
shirley

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Are the messages profane messages? 
 
I don't know what the message said telling you to log in to groups.io and I don't know if the login link given was a legitimate link or if it led somewhere else, such as a phishing site where someone could get your password for groups.io.  I'd need more information to comment at all on it. 
 
The junk mail is probably a coincidence. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

i will. and thanks. they have targeted 3 individuals on my list. made it look as if they sent messages when really they didnt. myself, and two other members.
also now i am getting a ton of junk  mail to my inbox,  and i got a notification that said to log in to groups.io but i ignored that.
any ideas?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Also, have you checked all the names of members on your list to be sure none are members you don't know or know have joined?  I'm not sure the spoofer could do what he/she is doing, that is responding to messages on list or getting the addresses of members to use for spoofing otherwise.  Check the list of members to be sure.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Is Instagram accessible?

Peter Spitz
 

I have sighted friends who keep sending me requests to join Instagram.
Is it accessible? Can I use it on both my iPhone SE and my computer
with JAWS 18 and Internet Explorer?

Thanks,

Peter


Re: My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Gene
 

this sort of thing has happened on other lists, not part of groups.io.  I've seen it on two other lists.  I'm not assuming the spoofer is the same in all cases but there is no reason to believe that there is any distinct problem with Groups.io.  There is something Groups.io could do to prevent or make spoofing much more difficult.  That is to implement DMARC, if I remember the acronym correctly.  I read about this quite some time ago and it is a means of verifying the authenticity of the sender.  The list just doesn't accept any message from anywhere as coming from the sender.  Certain technical information in messages must match what should be the case if the message is not spoofed. 
 
Doing this causes problems for some list members who have certain e-mail providers but, depending on the severity of the problem as it affects various lists on Groups.io, the person who runs the list serve may implement it. 
 
When I wrote to support two or three months ago, the person I corresponded with said this might be a possibility. 
aside from that, there is no reason to believe that anything is wrong with Groups.io. 
 
Gene. 

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

as this has happened on 2 lists so far both groups.io i think this has
got something to do with groups.io.


On 1/11/18, Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@...> wrote:
> thanks Jean. awesome! I did it!
> shirley
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gene
>   To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>   Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:52 PM
>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it
>
>
>   Sign into your list, find the link that says admin and press enter.
>   Then, look at the various settings, there are a lot of them.  You will
> find a checkbox you can check with the space bar for requiring all messages
> to be approved, and as I recall, the checkbox also says moderated.
>   Then type the letter b to move to the save updates or similar wording.
> Press the space bar.  A new page will load and somewhere on the page, I
> don't recall just where but it's not too far from the top if I remember
> correctly, you will see that the page has been successfully updated, or
> words to that effect.
>   Now, you will get a notification that every message needs approval,
> including messages you send to the list.  You probably know that to approve
> a message, all you have to do is reply to the notice.
>
>   To return to unmoderated status, follow the same procedure but press the
> space bar on the checkbox to uncheck it.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Shirley and Nitro
>   Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:23 AM
>   To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it
>
>
>   how do I put the entire list on moderated status?
>   shirley
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Gene
>     To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>     Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 AM
>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it
>
>
>     Changing passwords or anything else won't help.  I don't know if you can
> do anything about the spoofer in terms of finding out who it is and then
> doing anything further.  We have a spoofer who comes and goes from this
> list.  When this happens, I, the list owner, put the entire list on
> moderated status and tell the list I'm doing so and that all legitimate mail
> will get to the list but that there may be delays since all messages must be
> approved.  So far, doing this has stopped the spoofer from harassing the
> list for significant periods of time.  But the person may come back.  if so,
> doing the same thing again may well cause the spoofer to leave the list
> alone again.  there's no way to know what will happen in the future, but
> that's what I've done when this spoofer has been on the list.
>
>     You can write to Groups.io support and see what they say.  They didn't
> say much when I wrote to them, perhaps because it may be much harder to
> catch or take actions against the person than you might think.  I don't have
> the technical knowledge to discuss such questions further.
>
>     the spoofer wants to cause disruption and annoy people on lists.  If you
> take the actions I'm describing, and tell list members that you won't
> approve any comments on the spoofer while the list is being moderated, the
> spoofer won't get any enjoyment from trying to harass your list because the
> person won't see reactions.
>
>     Approving technical questions about the spoofer such as if someone asks
> if they need to change their e-mail password or if their account is hacked
> is fine.  I'm talking about not approving messages such as people discussing
> the spoofer, the messages sent, or anything else except for technical
> questions such as I discussed.
>
>     Gene
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: Shirley and Nitro
>     Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:40 PM
>     To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>     Subject: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it
>
>
>     what do I do to get rid of them?
>
>     I have been recieving messages from a few members but they did not send
> them, so i know there is a spoofer amongst us on my list.
>     also, i was able to determine that a blackberry phone is sending the
> messages, can i get their ip address? trace them? are they actually a member
> of my list or not?
>     how do i fix this?
>     shirley
>
>


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Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Gene
 

Are the messages profane messages? 
 
I don't know what the message said telling you to log in to groups.io and I don't know if the login link given was a legitimate link or if it led somewhere else, such as a phishing site where someone could get your password for groups.io.  I'd need more information to comment at all on it. 
 
The junk mail is probably a coincidence. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

i will. and thanks. they have targeted 3 individuals on my list. made it look as if they sent messages when really they didnt. myself, and two other members.
also now i am getting a ton of junk  mail to my inbox,  and i got a notification that said to log in to groups.io but i ignored that.
any ideas?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Also, have you checked all the names of members on your list to be sure none are members you don't know or know have joined?  I'm not sure the spoofer could do what he/she is doing, that is responding to messages on list or getting the addresses of members to use for spoofing otherwise.  Check the list of members to be sure.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

 

as this has happened on 2 lists so far both groups.io i think this has
got something to do with groups.io.

On 1/11/18, Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@eircom.net> wrote:
thanks Jean. awesome! I did it!
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


Sign into your list, find the link that says admin and press enter.
Then, look at the various settings, there are a lot of them. You will
find a checkbox you can check with the space bar for requiring all messages
to be approved, and as I recall, the checkbox also says moderated.
Then type the letter b to move to the save updates or similar wording.
Press the space bar. A new page will load and somewhere on the page, I
don't recall just where but it's not too far from the top if I remember
correctly, you will see that the page has been successfully updated, or
words to that effect.
Now, you will get a notification that every message needs approval,
including messages you send to the list. You probably know that to approve
a message, all you have to do is reply to the notice.

To return to unmoderated status, follow the same procedure but press the
space bar on the checkbox to uncheck it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shirley and Nitro
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


how do I put the entire list on moderated status?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


Changing passwords or anything else won't help. I don't know if you can
do anything about the spoofer in terms of finding out who it is and then
doing anything further. We have a spoofer who comes and goes from this
list. When this happens, I, the list owner, put the entire list on
moderated status and tell the list I'm doing so and that all legitimate mail
will get to the list but that there may be delays since all messages must be
approved. So far, doing this has stopped the spoofer from harassing the
list for significant periods of time. But the person may come back. if so,
doing the same thing again may well cause the spoofer to leave the list
alone again. there's no way to know what will happen in the future, but
that's what I've done when this spoofer has been on the list.

You can write to Groups.io support and see what they say. They didn't
say much when I wrote to them, perhaps because it may be much harder to
catch or take actions against the person than you might think. I don't have
the technical knowledge to discuss such questions further.

the spoofer wants to cause disruption and annoy people on lists. If you
take the actions I'm describing, and tell list members that you won't
approve any comments on the spoofer while the list is being moderated, the
spoofer won't get any enjoyment from trying to harass your list because the
person won't see reactions.

Approving technical questions about the spoofer such as if someone asks
if they need to change their e-mail password or if their account is hacked
is fine. I'm talking about not approving messages such as people discussing
the spoofer, the messages sent, or anything else except for technical
questions such as I discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shirley and Nitro
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it


what do I do to get rid of them?

I have been recieving messages from a few members but they did not send
them, so i know there is a spoofer amongst us on my list.
also, i was able to determine that a blackberry phone is sending the
messages, can i get their ip address? trace them? are they actually a member
of my list or not?
how do i fix this?
shirley

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Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@...>
 

i will. and thanks. they have targeted 3 individuals on my list. made it look as if they sent messages when really they didnt. myself, and two other members.
also now i am getting a ton of junk  mail to my inbox,  and i got a notification that said to log in to groups.io but i ignored that.
any ideas?
shirley

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Also, have you checked all the names of members on your list to be sure none are members you don't know or know have joined?  I'm not sure the spoofer could do what he/she is doing, that is responding to messages on list or getting the addresses of members to use for spoofing otherwise.  Check the list of members to be sure.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Gene
 

I should correct something I said in my last message.  The spoofer could get such information to use to spoof the list if a member's account is hacked.  But I doubt that is the case.  However, if you check the membership list and find that all members are people you really trust, then one of the member's e-mail accounts may be hacked.  In which case, you may want to advise list members to change the passwords on their e-mail accounts just in case.  I don't know if a spoofer can get the addresses of members without being a member of the list and receiving list mail or without having hacked someone's account.  Others with more technical knowledge may respond.  I doubt someone's account has been hacked but I'm discussing it as a possibility.  On this list, TechTalk, I'm extremely skeptical that the spoofer has hacked anyone's account.  Anyone can join Techtalk.  In the case of your list, if only people you know and trust have joined, then those with more technical knowledge will, I hope, discuss the matter here.  but again, do you really know all the members and have you checked the names of list members after the spoofing started? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

I wouldn't be surprised.  You can't do anything about it unless you can somehow cause action to be taken against the spoofer.  I wouldn't count on it.  Proceed as though the spoofer weren't on the list.  The spoofer wants to cause problems.  If you change what you do on list, you are letting the spoofer win.  Anyone can join any list.  any information provided on any list should be assumed not to be private, spoofer or not .  E-mail itself isn't private unless well encrypted. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Gene
 

Also, have you checked all the names of members on your list to be sure none are members you don't know or know have joined?  I'm not sure the spoofer could do what he/she is doing, that is responding to messages on list or getting the addresses of members to use for spoofing otherwise.  Check the list of members to be sure.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

Gene
 

I wouldn't be surprised.  You can't do anything about it unless you can somehow cause action to be taken against the spoofer.  I wouldn't count on it.  Proceed as though the spoofer weren't on the list.  The spoofer wants to cause problems.  If you change what you do on list, you are letting the spoofer win.  Anyone can join any list.  any information provided on any list should be assumed not to be private, spoofer or not .  E-mail itself isn't private unless well encrypted. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] my groups.io group and the spoofer, are they a list member, too?

what id like to know is, is the spoofer a member of my list? like, it looks like they are reading everything, are they? i dont feel comfortable with a spoofer lurking on th elist, but i know all of the members who are on there, none of them are unfamiliar to me.
shirley


Re: My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Shirley and Nitro <shirley1980@...>
 

thanks Jean. awesome! I did it!
shirley

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Sign into your list, find the link that says admin and press enter.
Then, look at the various settings, there are a lot of them.  You will find a checkbox you can check with the space bar for requiring all messages to be approved, and as I recall, the checkbox also says moderated.
Then type the letter b to move to the save updates or similar wording.  Press the space bar.  A new page will load and somewhere on the page, I don't recall just where but it's not too far from the top if I remember correctly, you will see that the page has been successfully updated, or words to that effect.
Now, you will get a notification that every message needs approval, including messages you send to the list.  You probably know that to approve a message, all you have to do is reply to the notice.
 
To return to unmoderated status, follow the same procedure but press the space bar on the checkbox to uncheck it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

how do I put the entire list on moderated status?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Changing passwords or anything else won't help.  I don't know if you can do anything about the spoofer in terms of finding out who it is and then doing anything further.  We have a spoofer who comes and goes from this list.  When this happens, I, the list owner, put the entire list on moderated status and tell the list I'm doing so and that all legitimate mail will get to the list but that there may be delays since all messages must be approved.  So far, doing this has stopped the spoofer from harassing the list for significant periods of time.  But the person may come back.  if so, doing the same thing again may well cause the spoofer to leave the list alone again.  there's no way to know what will happen in the future, but that's what I've done when this spoofer has been on the list.
 
You can write to Groups.io support and see what they say.  They didn't say much when I wrote to them, perhaps because it may be much harder to catch or take actions against the person than you might think.  I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss such questions further. 
 
the spoofer wants to cause disruption and annoy people on lists.  If you take the actions I'm describing, and tell list members that you won't approve any comments on the spoofer while the list is being moderated, the spoofer won't get any enjoyment from trying to harass your list because the person won't see reactions. 
 
Approving technical questions about the spoofer such as if someone asks if they need to change their e-mail password or if their account is hacked is fine.  I'm talking about not approving messages such as people discussing the spoofer, the messages sent, or anything else except for technical questions such as I discussed. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

what do I do to get rid of them?
 
I have been recieving messages from a few members but they did not send them, so i know there is a spoofer amongst us on my list.
also, i was able to determine that a blackberry phone is sending the messages, can i get their ip address? trace them? are they actually a member of my list or not?
how do i fix this?
shirley


Re: My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Gene
 

Sign into your list, find the link that says admin and press enter.
Then, look at the various settings, there are a lot of them.  You will find a checkbox you can check with the space bar for requiring all messages to be approved, and as I recall, the checkbox also says moderated.
Then type the letter b to move to the save updates or similar wording.  Press the space bar.  A new page will load and somewhere on the page, I don't recall just where but it's not too far from the top if I remember correctly, you will see that the page has been successfully updated, or words to that effect.
Now, you will get a notification that every message needs approval, including messages you send to the list.  You probably know that to approve a message, all you have to do is reply to the notice.
 
To return to unmoderated status, follow the same procedure but press the space bar on the checkbox to uncheck it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

how do I put the entire list on moderated status?
shirley
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

Changing passwords or anything else won't help.  I don't know if you can do anything about the spoofer in terms of finding out who it is and then doing anything further.  We have a spoofer who comes and goes from this list.  When this happens, I, the list owner, put the entire list on moderated status and tell the list I'm doing so and that all legitimate mail will get to the list but that there may be delays since all messages must be approved.  So far, doing this has stopped the spoofer from harassing the list for significant periods of time.  But the person may come back.  if so, doing the same thing again may well cause the spoofer to leave the list alone again.  there's no way to know what will happen in the future, but that's what I've done when this spoofer has been on the list.
 
You can write to Groups.io support and see what they say.  They didn't say much when I wrote to them, perhaps because it may be much harder to catch or take actions against the person than you might think.  I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss such questions further. 
 
the spoofer wants to cause disruption and annoy people on lists.  If you take the actions I'm describing, and tell list members that you won't approve any comments on the spoofer while the list is being moderated, the spoofer won't get any enjoyment from trying to harass your list because the person won't see reactions. 
 
Approving technical questions about the spoofer such as if someone asks if they need to change their e-mail password or if their account is hacked is fine.  I'm talking about not approving messages such as people discussing the spoofer, the messages sent, or anything else except for technical questions such as I discussed. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] My groups.io group has a spoofer on it

what do I do to get rid of them?
 
I have been recieving messages from a few members but they did not send them, so i know there is a spoofer amongst us on my list.
also, i was able to determine that a blackberry phone is sending the messages, can i get their ip address? trace them? are they actually a member of my list or not?
how do i fix this?
shirley

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