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Re: white cane stores

Gene
 

I just tried the hot water method and it works well.  I didn't boil water.  I held the tip of the cane and just a bit of the cane beyond the tip in the hot water from the bathtub faucet.  That's the easiest way to conveniently position the cane.  I would estimate the hot water is somewhere between 120 and 130 degrees Fahrenheit.  After about a minute and a half, I tried turning and pulling the tip.  It turned and came off.
 
Gene

---- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You are talking about putting a tip on a cane.  If you boil the water, put the tip of the cane in the water while it is on the cane, then try to get it off, what happens?  Are you expanding the graphite cane along with the tip?  I don't know.  these solutions are worth trying but I don't know how well or if they will work.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold < mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz < mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> < mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Gene
 

You are talking about putting a tip on a cane.  If you boil the water, put the tip of the cane in the water while it is on the cane, then try to get it off, what happens?  Are you expanding the graphite cane along with the tip?  I don't know.  these solutions are worth trying but I don't know how well or if they will work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold < mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz < mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> < mailto:ashbreger@...>
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

I just looked and you are right.  The subject evolved as threads normally do.
 
Now, we seem to have a proficient way of installing or removing certain kinds of heavy nylon push on tips.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Greg Daniel
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
My apologies, but in my own defense, the subject line didn't reflect the exact content.

Greg

At 06:41 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
OK, it sounds like you are putting a new tip on a cane.  I thought the problem in this thread was how to remove an old tip that has been constantly forced on to the cane during normal use.
 
James B
 
 
 
From:
Greg Daniel
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:

This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From:
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 

You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip    Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From:
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 

The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <
mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <
mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <
mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

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To:
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <
4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...<mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To:
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <
mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To:
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To:
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> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <
mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To:
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>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <
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>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To:
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>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <
http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <
ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <
mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

I just looked and you are right.  The subject evolved as threads normally do.
 
Now, we seem to have a proficient way of installing or removing certain kinds of heavy nylon push on tips.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
My apologies, but in my own defense, the subject line didn't reflect the exact content.

Greg

At 06:41 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
OK, it sounds like you are putting a new tip on a cane.  I thought the problem in this thread was how to remove an old tip that has been constantly forced on to the cane during normal use.
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Greg Daniel
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip    Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...<mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Greg Daniel <gdaniel@...>
 

My apologies, but in my own defense, the subject line didn't reflect the exact content.

Greg


At 06:41 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
OK, it sounds like you are putting a new tip on a cane.  I thought the problem in this thread was how to remove an old tip that has been constantly forced on to the cane during normal use.
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Greg Daniel
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip    Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold < mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...> < mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz < mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> < mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Pamela Dominguez
 

That depends on whether it is a push in tip or a push on tip.  Pam.
 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
If it is a plastic tip, try the old trick we used to use.  Run it under hot water and that causes the tip to expand and the cane doesn't.  Then you can slide it off much more easily.  Hope this does the trick for you.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
 
Gratitude Advantages
"No matter what your temperament is now, gratitude will give you more patience, understanding, compassion, and kindness."
 
— Rhonda Byrne
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used.  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket .
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org> .
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

OK, it sounds like you are putting a new tip on a cane.  I thought the problem in this thread was how to remove an old tip that has been constantly forced on to the cane during normal use.
 
James B
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg

At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip    Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

One method for obtaining knowledge on this matter might be to call a company who sells canes.  Also, I bet that most mobility instructors might know of several workable methods.
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Also, I should say that there is nothing wrong with trying your method.  I hope it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

Yes.  Walking very long distances on sidewalks every day makes it almost seem like the nylon tip is super glued to the aluminum base of the cane.  Applying pressure to the cane or tip can cause damage.
 
After consideration, I remember that an adjustable crescent wrench actually worked best because it can be adjusted down to just barely fit over the tubular base of the cane and still be able to slide up and down to tap tap tap until the seized tip is loosened.
 
There are probably dozens of different kinds of canes and even more tips but this method used to work for me.
 
Now, I do not travel long distances every day so a graphite cane does the job and, it can be safely folded up so it is not a trip hazard for others.  And, roller tips have forever spoiled me.
 
I do keep one rigid fiberglass cane in case I have trouble with wild dogs.  Not my neighbors cute little pets, but untamed dogs that really bite.
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Greg Daniel <gdaniel@...>
 

I have boiled a cup of water in the microwave, dropped the nylon tip in the water for a few minutes, fitted the tip over the end of the cane, and then firmly tapped the cane on a concrete surface a few times.  Works like a charm!

Greg


At 06:15 AM 2/12/2018, you wrote:
This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ketler
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold < mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...>  < mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz < mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [ mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@... >
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  < mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> < mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> < mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Gene
 

Also, I should say that there is nothing wrong with trying your method.  I hope it works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Gene
 

This is a very strong nylon tip.  I'm not sure it can be compressed or that if it can, it may take much more force than we are talking about.  Have you had the tip compressed when it is a nylon tip of this type that fits tightly over the cane body?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
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> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

James Bentley
 

It has never worked that way for me.  A vice, pliers, or vice grips compress the tip and it just makes it harder to remove  or, the strong force damages the cane.
 
Another list member mentioned a second method.  That is to run the tip under hot water which causes it to expand while the cane does not.
 
If one uses an open wrench to tap the tip off, they are not applying pressure.  They are tapping or knocking the tip until it loosens up enough to pull off.  Constant tapping over a long period of time is what causes such a tight fit in the first place.  Tapping is also what can loosen it up especially if you heat the tip first.  I have taken many a tip off this way in the past. 
 
Now, I use an AmbuTech cane with a hook style roller tip.  (I’m not certain that I am spelling AmbuTech right).  But, they are very strong folding graphite canes for around $35.00.  LS&S Products has them.
 
Regards as always,
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Gene
 

You can try tapping the tip but I doubt that will help.  The tip is constantly being hit against the ground when used.  The wrench and applying pressure may work but a hardware store, where they probably have a powerful vice they can use, I think would provide much more leverage and force when the cane is grabbed with the tip in the vice and it is pulled with strong force.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

Find an open end wrench that is just big enough to fit around the bottom of the cane but, is small enough to catch the lip on the tip  .  Use it like a slide hammer to tap the lip of the cane tip until it breaks loose and slides off.  This method may scratch up the bottom of the cane a bit but it is probably already scratched up from curbs and steps etc.
 
HTH,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
 
Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: white cane stores

Kay Malmquist
 


If it is a plastic tip, try the old trick we used to use.  Run it under hot water and that causes the tip to expand and the cane doesn't.  Then you can slide it off much more easily.  Hope this does the trick for you.
 
Kay Malmquist
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"No matter what your temperament is now, gratitude will give you more patience, understanding, compassion, and kindness."
 
— Rhonda Byrne
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

The tip gets stuck on as the cane is used.  I haven't replaced to tip often enough to tell you much.  I tried with a pair of pliers but I don't remember if I was successful.  Perhaps a hardware store can help you get it off, using their equipment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

Thanks, Gene. That's the one I have now. I can't figure out how to replace the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I forgot to paste the description.
 
White Cane: Folding Revolution, Graphite
MARCH 24, 2015 | FOLDING REVOLUTION, GRAPHITE
Revolution’s Graphite cane is a five section lightweight folding cane with golf grip, wrist loop and replaceable tip.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

What is the company?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I looked at the web site for the place where I purchased it a few years ago.  This is the cane.  If the design hasn't changed, it's very good.  Do an Internet search for where to order it.  This place has a store for blind people who live in the area but I don't know if they deliver.  this cane should be available from various places.
 
Don't get the aluminum cane by the same company.  The joints fail after many months with no warning and, because of the way the cane is made, if a joint fails, the cane is useless.  You can't force pieces into each other.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Ketler <mailto:gketler104@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I would be interested. I need to replace a folding cane.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

You can buy strong, sturdy folding canes.  I have a carbon fiber folding cane that has lasted me for a number of years and is still in good condition.  I fold my cane when it is adviseable, such as in a crowded area or when putting it somewhere such as under a table in a restaurant where the table isn't long enough to accommodate the straight cane.  But since I only fold it when desirable, the elastic doesn't have much wear put on it.  I don't know the brand but I can check if anyone's interested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

I have the exact same cane philosophy, but for many, an ordinary straight, non-folding  cane is more secure, especially those traveling a lot crossing busy city streets. I haven't had to do that for a long time, but wonder if I could hear well enough to do that safely now.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores

This may sound strange coming from me, as I love old things, but I have never understood the use of rigid canes today.  I've used both folding and telescopic cames and they all shrink so that I can easily place them conveniently next to me or behind me while I'm sitting, or even attach them to my Go Belt when I have no need of them.  .  This is impossible to do with a rigid cane.  Could it perhaps be that they are more durable?  Likewise, I could never see myself using anything but a roller tip.  The tapping method has always seemed dangerous to me, as you could miss things on the ground when your cane is briefly in the air.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...>  <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:
> I keep several folding canes in an alcove shared with a chime clock.
> It is just inside the front door, so on the way out any time, there is
> a cane at the ready.
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> I use a straight cane when I am walking a long way. If I'm going from
> the car to the door or walking a short distance I use a folding cane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:58 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
> All my carbon fiber canes were the telescopic kind.  I would never buy
> a straight one you couldn’t do anything with.  I always called those
> things fishing poles.  Now, I have a folding thing that seems to be a
> combination of some kind of carbon fiber with metal joints.  It has a rolling ball tip.
> I didn’t get that one from NFB, though.  I got it from Visions in New
> York City.  I only tell you this so that I don’t sound snooty, not
> telling you where it came from.  But I don’t know if they do mail order.  Pam.
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz <mailto:jeffreyschwartz0238@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
> I had a telescoping fiberglass  cane which seemed like a luxury.  It
> was light and with the telescoping closure, It fit nicely in my back pocket .
> One day I went to close it by tapping it on  the ground.  It fell apart.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> I don't know either.  Fiberglass or carbon fiber canes, if properly
> made, are lighter and stronger.  If pressure is put on them they bend
> without their shape being permanently distorted, they immediately
> return to there original shape.  Of course, you could put so much
> pressure on the cane that it would break but that would be a lot of
> pressure, far more than should occur in normal use.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:55 AM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Yes.  But he seemed to specify aluminum canes.  They are not aluminum.
> I don’t know why he specifically wants aluminum, but there could be a
> lot of reasons.  Pam.
>
>
>
> From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
> <mailto:ashbreger@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 PM
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] white cane stores
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
> I know NFP has a free Kane program that you can probably get into if
> you log onto NFB.org <http://NFB.org> .
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@... <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>  <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...>
> <mailto:ks.steinbach03@...> > wrote:
>
> Looking to purchase a new aluminum white cane.  Any good stores to
> purchase from with good pricing?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> keith
>
>
>
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Re: Facebook.

Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...>
 

Oh yes! The wonderful issue of pages! *sigh* I dealt with that for
quite a while, before I finally figured it out! You need to go to
"profile" and then tab to "Likes". Those are actually your pages and
interests!

On 12/02/2018, Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi

Ok thanks, perhaps I should have explained it clearer but it is the groups I
have liked, how do I access those posts and I am not using an I device. I
use my pc. I use the mobile site and know how to get to my groups but it is
the organisations I have liked.

Regards

Adrien

Skype with me on adriencollins06

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: 11 February 2018 09:51
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook.

On the mobile site, there is a link called "Groups". Click on that and
then, some of your groups should be displayed. If you notice that not all
are there, click on "See All" and all will be listed. I cannot help you
with the main site or with usigng Facebook on a phone, as I do everything on
my computer. But since this was designed for phones, if you're using one,
it should work in your web browser. If you haven't used it before, it may
ask you to log-in. This is normal.

http://m.facebook.com

On 11/02/2018, Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi



How do I find the groups I follow in facebook. At least with
socialeyes it was easy. I mostly use facebook for support groups.



Regards



Adrien



Skype with me on adriencollins06



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: 07 February 2018 16:16
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Facebook.



They have made changes in Facebook. I like it a lot better - haven't
been on it for a year, decided to try to get rid of my notifications,
which my husband has been doing.



Carolyn







Best from,



Carolyn






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Re: Facebook.

David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
 

Hi!

You should be able to press enter on any group, and the page will open with all of the posts on it for you to read and comment on etc.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Adrien Collins
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook.

 

Hi

 

Ok thanks, perhaps I should have explained it clearer but it is the groups I have liked, how do I access those posts and I am not using an I device. I use my pc. I use the mobile site and know how to get to my groups but it is the organisations I have liked.

 

Regards

 

Adrien

 

Skype with me on adriencollins06

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari

Sent: 11 February 2018 09:51

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook.

 

On the mobile site, there is a link called "Groups".  Click on that and then, some of your groups should be displayed. If you notice that not all are there, click on "See All" and all will be listed.  I cannot help you with the main site or with usigng Facebook on a phone, as I do everything on my computer.  But since this was designed for phones, if you're using one, it should work in your web browser.  If you haven't used it before, it may ask you to log-in.  This is normal.

 

http://m.facebook.com

 

On 11/02/2018, Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160@...> wrote:

> Hi

> How do I find the groups I follow in facebook. At least with

> socialeyes it was easy. I mostly use facebook for support groups.

> Regards

> Adrien

> Skype with me on adriencollins06

> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On

> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold

> Sent: 07 February 2018 16:16

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: [TechTalk] Facebook.

> They have made changes in Facebook. I like it a lot better - haven't

> been on it for a year, decided to try to get rid of my notifications,

> which my husband has been doing.

> Carolyn

> Best from,

> Carolyn

 

 

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Re: old computers

Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...>
 

Olusegun , that was a perfect explanation on both counts. I am
seeking a way to transform Greek pdfs into raised-print, so that I can
read them without having to deal with ocr, which can't handle the
polytonic system. What you are describing is a bit more involved than
the TIE and other similar devices which use swell paper or plastic. I
now have a much better idea of what it entails.

Chris, I would be interested in hearing this particular episode. I
wonder if I use any of the things that they discussed.

On 12/02/2018, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com> wrote:
If any of you folks want to take a walk down Assistive Technology Memory
lane, try listening to a recent podcast done by Jonathan Mosen and David
Woodbridge, the blind side podcast. You'll be reminded of things you haven't
thought about in years.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: February 11, 2018 9:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old computers

Oh, if you do a lot of typing and type some of the same words or phrases,
macros can be so much fun and save you a lot of typing strokes.

Then in medical transcription, there was a program called PRD, it had
plenty, plus you could add. It worked with fewer steps than macros did. I
believe you had to press Alt or Control F10 and put say, CA for Carolyn Hill
Arnold. With PRD, if you just pressed CA, it put Carolyn Hill Arnold if you
had it set in there. I remember prescription was rx and diagnosis dx, stuff
like that. I do know I had a macro where I typed tpt, and it wrote: The
patient tolerated the procedure well and was transported to the Recovery
Room in stable condition. Perla was pupils equal, reactive to light and
accommodation.

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old computers

To be honest, I didn't like the keyboard on the Abtiva. I know it sounds
ridiculous, but I found it too mushy! I also had no interest in learning
Windows at the time, because I wanted to learn DOS. I thought the computer
was strange because it was flat, though that is actually a decent form
factor. I will have to set it up one day and play with it.

I've never used Macros in WordPerfect. I'll have to try them. I used them
in my Braille Lite 2000.

On 11/02/2018, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Jim literally loved the Tandy. He is a musician, and did he ever have
a good time with that thing, which was BC - before Carolyn, that is.

I had three 386's on jobs with WordPerfect 5.1. Weren't they fine.

I taught myself WordPerfect with a book called Mastering WordPerfect,
using my Optacon. I never really learned DOS, which is where my
husband has it on me. I try to get him to explain basics to me, and he
says I get it, there are certain tasks to be performed, like copy,
paste, cut, save, set font, just have to learn to do those things on
whatever program is being used.
Yet, he knows stuff like our computer guys, can fix problems; I can't.
I can just run one if it works. If it doesn't, I haven't the slightest
idea. I think with DOS I was intimidated, stayed in WordPerfect
whenever I could. On one job we had to get out of wordPerfect and onto
a program called Letterman to upload our work to the client. I don't
even want to go there; thank goodness, that job did not last long for me.

With WordPerfect 5.1, I really liked the macros, have no idea in the
world how to do them with Office 2013, but I don't transcribe now like
I used to do.

I took an afternoon on my job and set up logging macros with my
accounts; there were three or four of them, each with slight
differences. With the programs I made, when dictation started, I could
enter the identifying information in the log, then go right on to
chief complaint, preoperative diagnosis or whatever the beginning of
the report would be. The name, age, date, etc would all be in. I
worked on production, so the afternoon I invested paid off.

On this one, the envelopes never seemed to work right, so I have made
programs for small ones and regular business-sized ones. Incidentally,
I needed to Shift Enter for each line - otherwise, paragraph format,
they're double spaced. I don't like that, but figured how to work
around it, had to do the same thing with my check program.

Carolyn

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Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old computers

To those who have previously read my story, I apologise for reposting it.
Please feel free to ignore it.

To put things into perspective, I was born in 1983. The first
computer that I ever used was an Apple IIIE in elementary school. My
peers played games like Number Munchers and the Oregon Trail while I
played with Dr. Pete's Talking Writer and the few games on it, like
Space Invaders. I still have the original, plus a newer one that I
received later in life. One day, at a flee market, Mom bought an
Apple IIC. She loved the clicky keyboard and kept playing with it in
the car. She still has it in a closet, because she knows that it's
valuable. Our first family computer that we really used was an old
Tandy 1000 that a friend gave to us. We played games on it like Sleuth,
Wheel of Fortune, Slots, Blackjack, Monopoly, and Treasure Mountain.
But no screen reader was installed on it. In 1994, a dear friend of
the family died, and we inherited her computer. It was a massive and
heavy tower, with a 386 processor, MSDOS 5.0, and Wordperfect 5.1
installed. In
1996 or so, we bought our first Windows machine, an IBM Abtiva. But I
wanted nothing to do with it, until we started playing games like
Silent Steel on it, and I heard it talk! I was then introduced to JFW
3.7.
Eventually, I became interested in the 386 and fought to learn DOS,
though no one would teach it to me, as it was already obsolete. So I
got DOS for Dummies from the New Jersey Library for the Blind and
taught myself. I also learned how to use VocalEyes, via the manual.
This lasted for a while, until one day, the computer simply stopped
working. By the time I was graduated from high school in 2002, I had
collected almost everything that the New Jersey Commission for the
blind had on DOS, from two Keynote Gold laptops (I think the CMOS
battery on each is malfunctioning now), to copies of VocalEyes, to various
speech synthesizers, because no one wanted them.
Knowing that I loved old computers, my high school gave me their Apple
IIGS, along with a printer and paper for it, as a graduation present.
I then bought TextTalker and Proterm from APH (they had only three of
one of the programs left in stock). I still have them, but have never
used them. My parents then bought two desktops (one exclusively for
me) from an Infomercial, and that's how I was introduced to Windows
XP, which I still use to this day. In 2003, I received my first
Windows laptop, an HP Pavilion ZE5385US.
The rest is history. For the record, I still maintain that my Lenovo
X61 is the best computer that I own, other than my new desktop. I'm
still an IBM lover at heart and am not afraid to admit it! *smile*

On 10/02/2018, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Dash, I have no plans to play ball with anything Apple! I like being
able to get into the innards of my toys to see what I can break and
or fix! I don't believe I'll have such luck with anything Apple.
Besides, I have elected to watch my Windows computers DIE NATURALLY;
they won't ever be resuscitated! Android will, over time, become the
only OS with which I shall play ball and I'll be able to use both
touchscreen and keyboards. I also have great rapport with app
developers in Android land.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






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Re: Forced to buy a Smarter Phone

James Bentley
 

For sure, I will give Apple a call but I am not interested in spending more than around $50.00.  I really wish that consumers would get together and demand products with replaceable batteries.  It would just require a device that is slightly larger and I suppose that it might be a small amount of extra trouble to make the devices water and drop resistant.  I do However, think that current consumer non replaceable batteries are a gimmick to increase sales.  How green is that?
 
It would really hack me off to have to throw an otherwise good IPod in the dumpster.  No recycling here in my small community that I know of.  Maybe I will consider only using it on AC if that even would work.
 
Fortunately, I have an Android phone that does more than the IPod especially if I wish to move music between different devices.
 
I wish to encourage all to consider purchasing only devices that have a user changeable battery. 
 
James
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Forced to buy a Smarter Phone
 

James,

So you could only update to IOS 9 is as far as it updated, you might not be able to use Apple’s replacement battery  though.  I think this offer is for those who updated to IOS 10 because that is when people started having issues with the battery slowing down the phones.  You might still want to talk to Apple about how much it might cost to replace the battery though.   

 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Forced to buy a Smarter Phone

 

Hmmm, this might be potentially interesting.  I guess I will give Apple a call later today.

 

However, my IPod Fifth Generation might be too old to qualify.  And, the last version of IOS 9 is as far as it can be updated.

 

Thanks for the thought,

 

James B

 

 

 

From: janet gross

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:28 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Forced to buy a Smarter Phone

 

James,

Did you update to IOS 11.1.5? Did you hear about the Apple battery replacement program?

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Forced to buy a Smarter Phone

 

I am on my second IPod that now has a battery that will not hold a charge.  This is absolutely the very very last expensive toy that I will ever buy unless the battery is user replaceable.

 

As far as you placeing take out orders from beyond,  order me a steak with a loaded baked potato with salad of course, and send me your tomb stone’s address.

 

Now, cash in soon, I’m getting hungry. *smile

 

James B

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Forced to buy a Smarter Phone

 

Ileni, I don't know if phones out of Germany get locked to specific carriers
in that country.  As for me, I always buy UNLOCKED phones; as such, my
phones travel the world with me and even in Frankfurt, I had NO PROBLEMS
broadcasting off a phone I tied to my belt as I alighted from the Wide Body
767! 

And, yes, without a doubt, phones for U.S. markets MUST MEET a number of
specifications; it's a reason why sometimes we hardly get enough for our
bucks!  Example:  If I were in South Korea, I can get a Samsung S8 with
128GB internal storage space and I can still stick in an SD card for
additional storage expansion.  I don't have such a luxury right here at
home, at least not yet!  Well, may be with the iPhone?  I don't fish in
Apple land, so there goes my luck!

If I get a Shiny Android toy with that much internal storage space,
honestly, I won't bother about getting a new toy phone for a long, long
time. 

Whilst at it, how about sharing my thoughts on my ideal Shiny Android phone
toy?  1TB or more internal storage space, 8GB RAM or more, and a slot for up
to 2TB SD Card, 5,000 or more mAh battery, removable preferred!  If it's
boot loader is locked, I shall ROOT it so I can always get all updates to
the OS installing a different ROM.  Then I won't need another toy for the
rest of life!  I'll only remember to tell everyone to make sure my phone is
in my pocket or next to my pillow as I lay in my casket; that way, if I need
some French fries, I can grab it and make a quick call to someone who'd
consider bringing some by and lay them on my tombstone!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado



Re: Modernising an Old Computer

chris judge
 

Oops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: February 12, 2018 3:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Modernising an Old Computer

Oh yes! The good old formatting disks. And then there was the time I accidentally formatted the hard drive! Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Modernising an Old Computer

Oh my, remember formatting disks?

Carolyn


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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Modernising an Old Computer

My serial port is for when I wish to use DOS with a synthesizer, though right now, I am using a virtual machine and NVDA. My parallel port is for when I wish to use my Braille Blazer embosser or the dot matrix printer that I intend on buying. So yes, I do need both. I never use floppies in Windows, but in this virtual machine, having to create iso files to load them into DOS is driving me crazy! I want a floppy drive so that I can simply load the files and save them to directories normally. I like things built into machines. I'm not one for adding all sorts of external devices, except for thumb drives, speakers, keyboards, and microphones, the latter two only on desktops.
My idea of a desktop is one where everything is built-in. I recently bought a new one, with XP and 7 installed, and it does have serial and parallel, though on psi cards. I'm trying to figure out if that is why it is not working with my Braille Blazer.

I have absolutely no interest, whatsoever, in using Windows 10. I am an XP and 7 user, and I own several machines with each. I am now beginning to use DOS again. This desktop was an experiment. I just wanted to see if it could be done. The project about which I am truly serious is my custom umpc on which I most certainly am not asking for these extra ports, etc. There, I am mostly concerned with size, speed, and good battery life.

As for my old machine, it runs MSDOS and Windows 3.1. I haven't seen it in years. It's in the attic. I just wanted to know if I could get that kind of form factor and connections on a custom machine.

I have a love-hate relationship with Windows 7. I try to use it only when necessary. My main issues are UAC, permissions (not only for running programs, but for accessing certain folders), ribbons, libraries, save dialogue boxes, copy/paste, search (last three all compared to XP), and the constant "program is not responding" error.
Some of them I can eliminate and others I cannot.

On 11/02/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'm not sure what you are referring to by relearn everything. I doubt
there is that much to relearn unless you want to do more with Windows
10 and you can learn more regarding new features. Of course, there
are changes you need to know but when I switched from XP to Windows 7,
I didn't have to learn much to use the Windows 7 machine mostly as
though it were XP. I could do most things in the same way or almost
the same way. I learned more because I was curious and some features
of Windows 7 are very convenient and useful. But my point is that I
didn't have to. If I still wanted to do those certain things in the
less convenient XP way, I could have. And I suspect that with Windows
10, the same is generally true. Of course there will be more changes
but a lot of what was done in XP I still expect can be done in the
same or similar ways. Ribbons in the Windows interface represent new
learning but I expect that, unless you are going to use apps, not just
programs, that that would be the major learning for those who want to
use it and want to use it as they did XP, or at least until they
wanted to learn more.

When I need to get a Windows 10 machine, I'll see if I'm right. I
have no need for one now. If I'm wrong, I can count on being
corrected. But when I've made similar comments in the past, I
received one or two comments agreeing and I don't recall getting any
disagreeing comments.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Modernising an Old Computer


On re-reading your message, I have some more thoughts.


Most of what I originally wrote regarding a small form-factor machine
still holds. Such systems do exist, but none that will run anything as
old as you mentioned. If you're willing to totally relearn almost
everything you know because what you know is quite old, then ignore
everything I said in my previous message about sticking with XP.


You can get a very modern small form factor system for very little
money, on the order of a few hundred dollars or so. It won't look or
feel like your old friend, but it *will* run rings around it. Minus
the media, of course. Although even that may be possible by purchasing
USB floppy drives, if you can find them these days. There are even
USB-to-serial/parallel converters out there if you still need that
capability, but under Windows 10, I'm dubious of that support.


Bottom line: I don't think you'll need to custom-build a rig if you're
willing to give up that old case. Remember, it's not about the box,
it's about the rocks. The stuff in the box, that is.

On 2/10/2018 9:39 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Many years ago, my former friend gave me a computer that I had loved
since the moment I touched it. Sadly, I don't know the model.
Maybe, someone here can help me. I do know that it says IBM Insight.
I am guessing that it's a 486. It has DOS and Windows 3.1 installed
on it,
along with both a 3.5 and a 5.25 floppy, plus a cd rom, and serial
and parallel ports. It has the best form factor that I have ever
seen in a desktop. It isn't a tower, needing to sit on the floor,
nor is it flat. It is vertical but could fit easily on a desk. I
know that IBM sometimes made their own case sizes, so perhaps, this
is one of those.

Please keep in mind that I know absolutely nothing about building
computers, but I have heard of this being done with umpcs. If
someone were to gut the machine, removing it's insides, except for
the disk drives, and keeping the case, could it be modernised with a
new hard drive, motherboard, chips, cpu, memory, usb ports, etc? If
not, could the design of the case be used as the basis for a new
machine built from scratch? Can motherboards be completely
custom-made to include new and old technology? When I say new, I
don't mean according to the standards of 2018. These components must
work with Windows XP? Is there a more modern computer with a similar
form factor that could possibly be updated?

Thanks,
Eleni



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