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windows live mail download

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,


I just went on google and typed in windows live mail download but the first result which is usually the correct one gave me windows essentials.  I tried to install that thinking that windows live mail may be in it and that essentials was a package, but I tried to install it twice and it failed both times.  I then went back and tried some of the other results with no better luck.  Can somebody send me either a direct download for windows live mail, or even the executable to install it with?  Btw I'm using windows 7.


Troy


Accessible air friers

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

Hi there folks!
Was wondering if i could still find a relatitively accessible air frier? If so, where? Thanks Much!
Jim


Re: Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

Carolyn Arnold
 

Yes, I thought it was right around the corner. Then, here is
what I wonder. How long will our 4 g phones work?

Love more than you're loved, give more than you're given,
appreciate small things,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills
Pedestrian

Hmm, my understanding is that the likes of Sprint, Verizon,
possibly AT&T have been testing 5G for quite sometime in the
Big Apple? I'm pretty certain I heard this on a CBS News
clip. So, how could the adoption and provisioning of 5G be
so far off?

I'm not sure I get it; I believe 5G will be here much
sooner, say within the next year and a quarter!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Hmm, my understanding is that the likes of Sprint, Verizon, possibly AT&T
have been testing 5G for quite sometime in the Big Apple? I'm pretty
certain I heard this on a CBS News clip. So, how could the adoption and
provisioning of 5G be so far off?

I'm not sure I get it; I believe 5G will be here much sooner, say within the
next year and a quarter!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Well, yesterday, I had to use the paratransit service as I needed to get to
an appointment in an area where bus service is somewhat sketchy for my
liking. I also had to present for PFT. En route back from my PFT
appointment, it took me nearly two and a half hours to get back to home
base.

So, what exactly is my gripe? A self driving car shall have gotten me back
to home base a bit more quickly if I so choose. I am one person who
absolutely want to see the technology succeed and work well. I hope to live
long enough to own a self driving car and leave paratransit scheduling
alone.

The Uber self driving car accident was sad without a doubt. But, self
driving cars have been driving here and there for testing purposes and the
results have been encouraging. Imagine self driving cars being tested in
India, places like Botswana Land in Africa and all across the United States!
If memory serves, one was driven from California to Maine, and there was NO
REPORT of an accident. If my leaky brain is remembering anything correctly,
that drive was about 3,000 miles or a bit more!

I do recall how many blind folks were not so happy when Windows invaded our
computing space. Today, folks like Joseph Li and others, including my
indefatigable brother, a gentleman whose memory won't ever fade away--fondly
addressed as General Carlos by me--have made huge contributions to help make
Windows more exciting for blind computer enthusiasts. Android and iOS have
added significant value to the world's computing space and the blind are
taking advantage of these operating OS's!

I believe the same shall hold true for self driving cars once whatever kinks
that are left are ironed out. I can't wait to see several blind folks
racing down the street and getting to where they need to go in their self
driving cars! I certainly want one, and I pray that posterity will bless me
with some longevity so I can have a driver's license to show Saint Peter at
the precious gate and that's assuming I'm not being shoved in the direction
of Purgatory!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Understanding CPUs

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I found this last night. I now have a clearer understanding of which
Core 2 processors work on desktops and which work on laptops, as well
as their code names and which processors came directly after them, so
that I can compare them and see which work on the kind of laptop that
I want. I would like to avoid large, heavy machines with poor battery
life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2

On 21/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
If nothing else, I now know which of the modern processors I should
definitely avoid! Skylake and Kaby Lake from Intel, and Bristol Ridge
from AMD will only work with Windows 10. Not that I was intending on
buying such a new machine, but this is good to know. Are there others
which won't work with 7, let alone XP? If so, what are they?

https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10780876/microsoft-windows-support-policy-new-processors-skylake

On 21/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this summarises my issues perfectly. I understood all of what
was said here, as these concepts make sense to me.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/pentium-core-i5-core-i7-making-sense-of-intels-convoluted-cpu-lineup/

"Around the turn of the millennium you just had Celeron and Pentium.
One name meant “cut-down low-end” and one meant “high-end, more
features,” and you just bought the fastest one you could reasonably
afford. Things got a little more confusing in the Core and Core 2 days
(the Core branding continues to survive alongside the Celeron and
Pentium brands), but you could at least use names like “Core Solo” and
“Core 2 Quad” to guess which architecture and how many cores you were
getting. Now there are three separate Core brands, Pentium and Celeron
brands, and a long series of letters that you need to know to figure
out what CPU you’re getting."

This explains some of the differences between all of these and the Core 2
Duo.

http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/75833-35-difference-core

This only goes up to 2012, but it's a good timeline of release dates
and basics about various processors from both Intel and AMD. I will
need to examine it more carefully.

https://www.computerhope.com/history/processor.htm

Things are starting to make a bit more sense to me now, though I still
don't understand the new models as well as I do the older ones. But
which is the last of these to work with XP? Considering what programs
I use, do I really need a quad core processor or some of the more
high-end features? At the opposite extreme, how can I avoid a type
similar in performance to the Atom series? More importantly, which of
these, old or new, work in a laptop? For example, I have never seen a
Core 2 Quad anywhere. Which runs cooler and gives longer battery
life? What is the difference between the T and E series in the Core 2
Duo?

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't help you there.


On 3/21/2018 3:07 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Thank you for responding. I don't really care if the processor is new
or not, as long as it does what I need it to do. Even if I bought a
machine with 7 and used XP as a virtual machine, I wouldn't want a
64-bit processor, unless the native operating system was 32-bit. I
find 7 annoying as it is without the nonsense that 64-bit versions
bring. Plus, I doubt that I need all of that power or ram. I only
use NVDA, Membboost, antivirus (usually Stopsign or Clamwin), Firefox,
Wordpad, Skype, Media Player Classic, Virtual Recorder, Cook Timer,
Songr, Switch, CCleaner, Ultra Defrag, Calculator, and Vmware Player.
Only the last truly requires a bit of power, but even my X61 can use
it without any issues. I also try to use portable programs as much as
possible.

But since I keep seeing all of these different processors, can someone
explain them in a way that makes sense to me? Which is the newest
that will work with XP? Which can I find in a laptop that meets my
basic requirements with regard to weight, battery life, and screen
size? Which can handle virtualisation? In other words, what should I
be looking for in my searches?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,

Firstly, you should really really ditch xp. The latest processors no
longer have drivers for xp. Also, since you acquired those processors,
the technology has so dramatically improved, that any processer of the
eighth gen should serve you quite well. Also, all eighth gen
processors
are quad core now.


On 3/21/2018 1:34 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Is there anyone here who can answer my questions regarding CPUs? If
not, can someone recommend another group or forum where I can ask
them?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I am, once again, planning on buying alaptop. I want to get the
best
system that I can which meets my needs. But I am really confused
about processors, so I am hoping that someone can help me. I
understand the basics with regard to cores and speeds, and I know
about some of the CPUs from 80086 through Core 2 Duo (not code
names,
but the Pentiums with numbers and such). But after that, the names
and varieties don't make any sense to me. I am aware of sites like
CPU Boss and CPU-World, which offers comparisons of different types
of
processors, and while that is extremely helpful if I know the exact
ones to compare, there are so many in existence that I need to limit
my searches. Hence my questions.

I own several computers. But for the purposes of this post, I will
focus only on a few. At the low end of the spectrum are my Atom
machines. These include my Acer Aspire One D270, with an Atom N2600
at 1.6GHZ, and my Fujitsu Lifebook UH900, with an Atom Z550 at
2.0GHZ.
In the mid range is my Lenovo Thinkpad X120E, with an AMD Fusion
E-350
at 1.6GHZ. At the top end are my Lenovo Thinkpad X61, with a Core 2
Duo T7500 at 2.20GHZ, and my desktop (custom-built/don't know brand)
with an AMD Athlon64 X4 635 at 2.90GHZ. However, I am not expecting
anything near the last in a laptop. I am buying a new machine
because
although I love my X61, when I use my extended battery, it makes the
machine too heavy and bulky for it to be truly portable. I also
want
something smaller. My X120E is relatively light, runs cool, and has
a
great battery life, but it has a model defect wherein certain keys
stop working, and in my case, it seems that replacing the keyboard
will not help. So I'm nervous about buying another one.

Ideally, I would like a machine that is no larger than 12.1 inches
(smaller preferred), no heavier than 3.1 lbs. (including battery),
that has a minimum of six hours battery life, and a standard key
layout, and that can run Windows XP, whether it is natively
installed
or not. What I am finding, however, is that anything under 12.1
inches tends to be made with lower-powered CPUs. Most of these are
Atoms, which I would like to avoid. But I am very familiar with the
performances of the N series, as I have owned several, from N270
through N2600. So if you use that as a comparison, I'll know what
you
mean. I don't know the differences between the Intel and AMD
processors with regard to performance, but the 350E in my X120E
works
fairly well with 7, and I imagine it would be even faster with XP.
Having said that, this processor cannot handle VMware Player 6, even
though it is dual core. That's not a necessity, but it would be
nice
to have as an option if the machine is running 7 and I want to use
XP
without having it installed, or if I have XP installed and wish to
run
7 for financial transactions. I can definitely run it on my X61,
despite the fact that it's several years older. I know that the
last
Intel archetecture that can run XP is Sandy Bridge, and I tried to
research that, as well as the Core 2 Duo archetectures, but I became
confused.

Basically, I am seeking something that can run at the equivalent
speed
of the Core 2 Duo T7500 or higher on a computer which matches my
screen size, weight, and battery life specifications. Is this
possible? If not, what about an equivalent of the Core 2 Duo L7500
at
1.6GHZ? That is the processor on the X61S, which I don't own. If
no
one can name an actual model of computer, can someone at least tell
me
which processors I should investigate?

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: some thunderbird questionsTools -> Options -> Composition -> Spelling tab, uncheck all the boxes for which you do not want things to be checked.

Steve Matzura
 

On 3/21/2018 9:14 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:
Hi all,

I'm still trying to evaluate e-mail programs since my OE for windows 7 gave out on me a few weeks ago, and currently I've been using the latest version
of thunderbird for a week or 2 and I need to see if anybody has experienced a couple of things that I'm experiencing and see if there is a fix.  Btw I'm
using jaws 18.

The most obvious problem is that there's a place in the menus that says check spelling while typing, and I don't want that box checked because if I type
just about any abbreviation in an e-mail and then proof read it, any time there's an abbreviation, such as NVDA, or even a word that thunderbird thinks
is misspelled I will hear misspelled before the word or abbreviation and end misspelled after it.  I've unchecked the box in the menus to supposedly stop
this behavior but it won't stay unchecked.

Another problem I'm having is that I have a friend that when we e-mail each other we write between each other's lines, but after the first reply there
are usually multiple lines scattered through the e-mail where jaws 18 says block quote end.  There are usually several of these between each paragraph,
and that block quote end is the only thing that seems to be written on these lines.

Also my friend tells me that a lot of the time there are multiple blank lines between my paragraphs, but when I'm writing if I try to leave one blank line
it either leaves multiple blank lines or no blank lines.  Of course since we write between each other's lines or paragraphs, the blank lines I'm trying
to leave are after what I've written and the next thing that my friend has written that I may or may not reply to.

Are there any settings in jaws 18 that I might change to get rid of the lines that just say block quote end?  I'm not sure but I feel that if I can get
rid of them it may solve the multiple blank lines that my friend is seeing in my e-mails because I've mentioned the block quote end thing to her and I
don't think she's getting them on her end.

If nobody has any answers for the problems mentioned above, can anybody suggest any other e-mail program I can try?  Btw I have tried OE classic pro, but
I have 2 e-mail accounts and even the pro version of OE classic seemed to only allow one account to be entered into the program at one time.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Troy]



Re: Waterfox Works Well With NVDA And A Question

Josh Kennedy
 

I use rumola for solving captchas. Wirks much better than webvisum and also works on any browser I wish to use it on. 


A bose Soundwear question

Kay Malmquist
 

 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
KINDNESS
Kindness in words creates confidence.
Kindness in thinking creates profoundness.
Kindness in giving creates love.
-- Lao-Tzu

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:19 AM
Subject: A bose Soundwear question
Hi Everyone,
 
 
Does anyone on this list have and or use the Bose Soundwear Companion?  What I Want to know is do you use the Bose Connect app that it asks you to download and if so, what does it do and why do you need it?  Terry my husband couldn't get passed the "I agree" button in the Bose Connect app, but you can pair your iPhone to them with no trouble.  I just wondered why the app should be used.  Also, I know there are things you can do with the Soundwear like make it tell you what the battery status is and things like that.  Anyone know where there might be an accessible users guide?  Thanks much.  On a side note, I plan to use mine with Aira and predominately on my iPhone, but there are so many more uses for it.  With having hearing aids this will make so many listening options easier for me.
.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
KINDNESS
Kindness in words creates confidence.
Kindness in thinking creates profoundness.
Kindness in giving creates love.
-- Lao-Tzu


Re: Samsung Gear S3 Question

Debbie April Yuille
 

Thanks I did today. I wasn’t able to see all the features as it was on a demo mode but I saw some features.

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

I suggest going to a store that sells Samsung watches & explore the watch for yourself to confirm that what all you want the watch to be accessible for you to do for works. 

 

Donna


On Mar 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:

Do you know if the clock and alarms are accessible?

 

Thanks

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

Im not sure about the apps that she downloaded from the Samsung store being my daughter is sighted. Incoming calls, contact list, text messages, music list & calendar all are accessible with text to speech. 

 

Donna


On Mar 20, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:

Awesome, and she finds all that voice accessible?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 1:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

My daughter makes & receives phone calls. Sends & receives text messages. Uses a calender to save important dates & listens to music.  And she has downloaded a few apps from the samsung store. The watch can be linked to an iPhone but apps from the Apple app store can not be downloaded to the watch.

 

Donna  

 

Thanks. What ddoes she do on it?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2018 12:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

The Samsung gear S3 is fully accessible. My 12 year old received one for Xmas. I received the Samsung Iconic 2018 earpods & they are also accessible. 

 

Donna

 

Hi all

 

Has anyone used the Samsung Gear S3? If so, how accessible do you find it/

 

Thanks in advance

Debbie


Re: Samsung Gear S3 Question

Debbie April Yuille
 

Thanks. How did you find the voice on it? Were you able to adjust the speech rate ok?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

Yes


On Mar 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:

Do you know if the clock and alarms are accessible?

 

Thanks

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 9:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

Im not sure about the apps that she downloaded from the Samsung store being my daughter is sighted. Incoming calls, contact list, text messages, music list & calendar all are accessible with text to speech. 

 

Donna


On Mar 20, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:

Awesome, and she finds all that voice accessible?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 1:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

My daughter makes & receives phone calls. Sends & receives text messages. Uses a calender to save important dates & listens to music.  And she has downloaded a few apps from the samsung store. The watch can be linked to an iPhone but apps from the Apple app store can not be downloaded to the watch.

 

Donna  

 

Thanks. What ddoes she do on it?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2018 12:09 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Samsung Gear S3 Question

 

The Samsung gear S3 is fully accessible. My 12 year old received one for Xmas. I received the Samsung Iconic 2018 earpods & they are also accessible. 

 

Donna

 

Hi all

 

Has anyone used the Samsung Gear S3? If so, how accessible do you find it/

 

Thanks in advance

Debbie


Re: some thunderbird questions

Gene
 

Try Windows Live Mail.  I've been using it for years without annoying little problems.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] some thunderbird questions

Hi all,

I'm still trying to evaluate e-mail programs since my OE for windows 7
gave out on me a few weeks ago, and currently I've been using the latest
version
of thunderbird for a week or 2 and I need to see if anybody has
experienced a couple of things that I'm experiencing and see if there is
a fix.  Btw I'm
using jaws 18.

The most obvious problem is that there's a place in the menus that says
check spelling while typing, and I don't want that box checked because
if I type
just about any abbreviation in an e-mail and then proof read it, any
time there's an abbreviation, such as NVDA, or even a word that
thunderbird thinks
is misspelled I will hear misspelled before the word or abbreviation and
end misspelled after it.  I've unchecked the box in the menus to
supposedly stop
this behavior but it won't stay unchecked.

Another problem I'm having is that I have a friend that when we e-mail
each other we write between each other's lines, but after the first
reply there
are usually multiple lines scattered through the e-mail where jaws 18
says block quote end.  There are usually several of these between each
paragraph,
and that block quote end is the only thing that seems to be written on
these lines.

Also my friend tells me that a lot of the time there are multiple blank
lines between my paragraphs, but when I'm writing if I try to leave one
blank line
it either leaves multiple blank lines or no blank lines.  Of course
since we write between each other's lines or paragraphs, the blank lines
I'm trying
to leave are after what I've written and the next thing that my friend
has written that I may or may not reply to.

Are there any settings in jaws 18 that I might change to get rid of the
lines that just say block quote end?  I'm not sure but I feel that if I
can get
rid of them it may solve the multiple blank lines that my friend is
seeing in my e-mails because I've mentioned the block quote end thing to
her and I
don't think she's getting them on her end.

If nobody has any answers for the problems mentioned above, can anybody
suggest any other e-mail program I can try?  Btw I have tried OE classic
pro, but
I have 2 e-mail accounts and even the pro version of OE classic seemed
to only allow one account to be entered into the program at one time.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Troy]




User Account Control Settings, Setting it to Zero

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Running Windows 10 Pro latest with Jaws 16 thru J2018 latest.  I don't like UAC interfering when I want to run / install a program, at all!  But, when I try to set it to, 0, then I okay it, I can't get out of the dialog!  I've tried changing the setting with the Touch Cursor as well as using left mouse clicks, & still can't get that damn setting changed!  LOL 
 
Can anyone give me some tips on how to change it to ZERO!?  All help will be greatly appreciated!  Thanks mooy moocho.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Waterfox Works Well With NVDA And A Question

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Waterfox works quite well with NVDA.  I suppose it's no surprise--since the basic underlying code is Mozilla.  This is only for 64 bit systems.


It is supposed to work well with unsigned add ons.  I was hoping it would work well with the latest add on version of Webvisum. Unfortunately, I cannot get it to work with Webvisum.  Has anyone else been able to get Webvisum to work with Waterfox?  The latest version of Webvisum is signed.  I wonder if a previous version of Webvisum would work with Waterfox--the one that is unsigned.  If it can be made to do so, that would be a great boon to anyone who is now having to pay for Renola or Capcha Be Gone.


Thanks for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


some thunderbird questions

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,

I'm still trying to evaluate e-mail programs since my OE for windows 7 gave out on me a few weeks ago, and currently I've been using the latest version
of thunderbird for a week or 2 and I need to see if anybody has experienced a couple of things that I'm experiencing and see if there is a fix.  Btw I'm
using jaws 18.

The most obvious problem is that there's a place in the menus that says check spelling while typing, and I don't want that box checked because if I type
just about any abbreviation in an e-mail and then proof read it, any time there's an abbreviation, such as NVDA, or even a word that thunderbird thinks
is misspelled I will hear misspelled before the word or abbreviation and end misspelled after it.  I've unchecked the box in the menus to supposedly stop
this behavior but it won't stay unchecked.

Another problem I'm having is that I have a friend that when we e-mail each other we write between each other's lines, but after the first reply there
are usually multiple lines scattered through the e-mail where jaws 18 says block quote end.  There are usually several of these between each paragraph,
and that block quote end is the only thing that seems to be written on these lines.

Also my friend tells me that a lot of the time there are multiple blank lines between my paragraphs, but when I'm writing if I try to leave one blank line
it either leaves multiple blank lines or no blank lines.  Of course since we write between each other's lines or paragraphs, the blank lines I'm trying
to leave are after what I've written and the next thing that my friend has written that I may or may not reply to.

Are there any settings in jaws 18 that I might change to get rid of the lines that just say block quote end?  I'm not sure but I feel that if I can get
rid of them it may solve the multiple blank lines that my friend is seeing in my e-mails because I've mentioned the block quote end thing to her and I
don't think she's getting them on her end.

If nobody has any answers for the problems mentioned above, can anybody suggest any other e-mail program I can try?  Btw I have tried OE classic pro, but
I have 2 e-mail accounts and even the pro version of OE classic seemed to only allow one account to be entered into the program at one time.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Troy]


Re: Understanding CPUs

Eleni Vamvakari
 

If nothing else, I now know which of the modern processors I should
definitely avoid! Skylake and Kaby Lake from Intel, and Bristol Ridge
from AMD will only work with Windows 10. Not that I was intending on
buying such a new machine, but this is good to know. Are there others
which won't work with 7, let alone XP? If so, what are they?

https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10780876/microsoft-windows-support-policy-new-processors-skylake

On 21/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this summarises my issues perfectly. I understood all of what
was said here, as these concepts make sense to me.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/pentium-core-i5-core-i7-making-sense-of-intels-convoluted-cpu-lineup/

"Around the turn of the millennium you just had Celeron and Pentium.
One name meant “cut-down low-end” and one meant “high-end, more
features,” and you just bought the fastest one you could reasonably
afford. Things got a little more confusing in the Core and Core 2 days
(the Core branding continues to survive alongside the Celeron and
Pentium brands), but you could at least use names like “Core Solo” and
“Core 2 Quad” to guess which architecture and how many cores you were
getting. Now there are three separate Core brands, Pentium and Celeron
brands, and a long series of letters that you need to know to figure
out what CPU you’re getting."

This explains some of the differences between all of these and the Core 2
Duo.

http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/75833-35-difference-core

This only goes up to 2012, but it's a good timeline of release dates
and basics about various processors from both Intel and AMD. I will
need to examine it more carefully.

https://www.computerhope.com/history/processor.htm

Things are starting to make a bit more sense to me now, though I still
don't understand the new models as well as I do the older ones. But
which is the last of these to work with XP? Considering what programs
I use, do I really need a quad core processor or some of the more
high-end features? At the opposite extreme, how can I avoid a type
similar in performance to the Atom series? More importantly, which of
these, old or new, work in a laptop? For example, I have never seen a
Core 2 Quad anywhere. Which runs cooler and gives longer battery
life? What is the difference between the T and E series in the Core 2
Duo?

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't help you there.


On 3/21/2018 3:07 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Thank you for responding. I don't really care if the processor is new
or not, as long as it does what I need it to do. Even if I bought a
machine with 7 and used XP as a virtual machine, I wouldn't want a
64-bit processor, unless the native operating system was 32-bit. I
find 7 annoying as it is without the nonsense that 64-bit versions
bring. Plus, I doubt that I need all of that power or ram. I only
use NVDA, Membboost, antivirus (usually Stopsign or Clamwin), Firefox,
Wordpad, Skype, Media Player Classic, Virtual Recorder, Cook Timer,
Songr, Switch, CCleaner, Ultra Defrag, Calculator, and Vmware Player.
Only the last truly requires a bit of power, but even my X61 can use
it without any issues. I also try to use portable programs as much as
possible.

But since I keep seeing all of these different processors, can someone
explain them in a way that makes sense to me? Which is the newest
that will work with XP? Which can I find in a laptop that meets my
basic requirements with regard to weight, battery life, and screen
size? Which can handle virtualisation? In other words, what should I
be looking for in my searches?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,

Firstly, you should really really ditch xp. The latest processors no
longer have drivers for xp. Also, since you acquired those processors,
the technology has so dramatically improved, that any processer of the
eighth gen should serve you quite well. Also, all eighth gen processors
are quad core now.


On 3/21/2018 1:34 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Is there anyone here who can answer my questions regarding CPUs? If
not, can someone recommend another group or forum where I can ask
them?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I am, once again, planning on buying alaptop. I want to get the best
system that I can which meets my needs. But I am really confused
about processors, so I am hoping that someone can help me. I
understand the basics with regard to cores and speeds, and I know
about some of the CPUs from 80086 through Core 2 Duo (not code names,
but the Pentiums with numbers and such). But after that, the names
and varieties don't make any sense to me. I am aware of sites like
CPU Boss and CPU-World, which offers comparisons of different types
of
processors, and while that is extremely helpful if I know the exact
ones to compare, there are so many in existence that I need to limit
my searches. Hence my questions.

I own several computers. But for the purposes of this post, I will
focus only on a few. At the low end of the spectrum are my Atom
machines. These include my Acer Aspire One D270, with an Atom N2600
at 1.6GHZ, and my Fujitsu Lifebook UH900, with an Atom Z550 at
2.0GHZ.
In the mid range is my Lenovo Thinkpad X120E, with an AMD Fusion
E-350
at 1.6GHZ. At the top end are my Lenovo Thinkpad X61, with a Core 2
Duo T7500 at 2.20GHZ, and my desktop (custom-built/don't know brand)
with an AMD Athlon64 X4 635 at 2.90GHZ. However, I am not expecting
anything near the last in a laptop. I am buying a new machine
because
although I love my X61, when I use my extended battery, it makes the
machine too heavy and bulky for it to be truly portable. I also want
something smaller. My X120E is relatively light, runs cool, and has
a
great battery life, but it has a model defect wherein certain keys
stop working, and in my case, it seems that replacing the keyboard
will not help. So I'm nervous about buying another one.

Ideally, I would like a machine that is no larger than 12.1 inches
(smaller preferred), no heavier than 3.1 lbs. (including battery),
that has a minimum of six hours battery life, and a standard key
layout, and that can run Windows XP, whether it is natively installed
or not. What I am finding, however, is that anything under 12.1
inches tends to be made with lower-powered CPUs. Most of these are
Atoms, which I would like to avoid. But I am very familiar with the
performances of the N series, as I have owned several, from N270
through N2600. So if you use that as a comparison, I'll know what
you
mean. I don't know the differences between the Intel and AMD
processors with regard to performance, but the 350E in my X120E works
fairly well with 7, and I imagine it would be even faster with XP.
Having said that, this processor cannot handle VMware Player 6, even
though it is dual core. That's not a necessity, but it would be nice
to have as an option if the machine is running 7 and I want to use XP
without having it installed, or if I have XP installed and wish to
run
7 for financial transactions. I can definitely run it on my X61,
despite the fact that it's several years older. I know that the last
Intel archetecture that can run XP is Sandy Bridge, and I tried to
research that, as well as the Core 2 Duo archetectures, but I became
confused.

Basically, I am seeking something that can run at the equivalent
speed
of the Core 2 Duo T7500 or higher on a computer which matches my
screen size, weight, and battery life specifications. Is this
possible? If not, what about an equivalent of the Core 2 Duo L7500
at
1.6GHZ? That is the processor on the X61S, which I don't own. If no
one can name an actual model of computer, can someone at least tell
me
which processors I should investigate?

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: Understanding CPUs

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I think this summarises my issues perfectly. I understood all of what
was said here, as these concepts make sense to me.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/pentium-core-i5-core-i7-making-sense-of-intels-convoluted-cpu-lineup/

"Around the turn of the millennium you just had Celeron and Pentium.
One name meant “cut-down low-end” and one meant “high-end, more
features,” and you just bought the fastest one you could reasonably
afford. Things got a little more confusing in the Core and Core 2 days
(the Core branding continues to survive alongside the Celeron and
Pentium brands), but you could at least use names like “Core Solo” and
“Core 2 Quad” to guess which architecture and how many cores you were
getting. Now there are three separate Core brands, Pentium and Celeron
brands, and a long series of letters that you need to know to figure
out what CPU you’re getting."

This explains some of the differences between all of these and the Core 2 Duo.

http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/75833-35-difference-core

This only goes up to 2012, but it's a good timeline of release dates
and basics about various processors from both Intel and AMD. I will
need to examine it more carefully.

https://www.computerhope.com/history/processor.htm

Things are starting to make a bit more sense to me now, though I still
don't understand the new models as well as I do the older ones. But
which is the last of these to work with XP? Considering what programs
I use, do I really need a quad core processor or some of the more
high-end features? At the opposite extreme, how can I avoid a type
similar in performance to the Atom series? More importantly, which of
these, old or new, work in a laptop? For example, I have never seen a
Core 2 Quad anywhere. Which runs cooler and gives longer battery
life? What is the difference between the T and E series in the Core 2
Duo?

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't help you there.


On 3/21/2018 3:07 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Thank you for responding. I don't really care if the processor is new
or not, as long as it does what I need it to do. Even if I bought a
machine with 7 and used XP as a virtual machine, I wouldn't want a
64-bit processor, unless the native operating system was 32-bit. I
find 7 annoying as it is without the nonsense that 64-bit versions
bring. Plus, I doubt that I need all of that power or ram. I only
use NVDA, Membboost, antivirus (usually Stopsign or Clamwin), Firefox,
Wordpad, Skype, Media Player Classic, Virtual Recorder, Cook Timer,
Songr, Switch, CCleaner, Ultra Defrag, Calculator, and Vmware Player.
Only the last truly requires a bit of power, but even my X61 can use
it without any issues. I also try to use portable programs as much as
possible.

But since I keep seeing all of these different processors, can someone
explain them in a way that makes sense to me? Which is the newest
that will work with XP? Which can I find in a laptop that meets my
basic requirements with regard to weight, battery life, and screen
size? Which can handle virtualisation? In other words, what should I
be looking for in my searches?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,

Firstly, you should really really ditch xp. The latest processors no
longer have drivers for xp. Also, since you acquired those processors,
the technology has so dramatically improved, that any processer of the
eighth gen should serve you quite well. Also, all eighth gen processors
are quad core now.


On 3/21/2018 1:34 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Is there anyone here who can answer my questions regarding CPUs? If
not, can someone recommend another group or forum where I can ask
them?

Thanks,
Eleni

On 20/03/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I am, once again, planning on buying alaptop. I want to get the best
system that I can which meets my needs. But I am really confused
about processors, so I am hoping that someone can help me. I
understand the basics with regard to cores and speeds, and I know
about some of the CPUs from 80086 through Core 2 Duo (not code names,
but the Pentiums with numbers and such). But after that, the names
and varieties don't make any sense to me. I am aware of sites like
CPU Boss and CPU-World, which offers comparisons of different types of
processors, and while that is extremely helpful if I know the exact
ones to compare, there are so many in existence that I need to limit
my searches. Hence my questions.

I own several computers. But for the purposes of this post, I will
focus only on a few. At the low end of the spectrum are my Atom
machines. These include my Acer Aspire One D270, with an Atom N2600
at 1.6GHZ, and my Fujitsu Lifebook UH900, with an Atom Z550 at 2.0GHZ.
In the mid range is my Lenovo Thinkpad X120E, with an AMD Fusion E-350
at 1.6GHZ. At the top end are my Lenovo Thinkpad X61, with a Core 2
Duo T7500 at 2.20GHZ, and my desktop (custom-built/don't know brand)
with an AMD Athlon64 X4 635 at 2.90GHZ. However, I am not expecting
anything near the last in a laptop. I am buying a new machine because
although I love my X61, when I use my extended battery, it makes the
machine too heavy and bulky for it to be truly portable. I also want
something smaller. My X120E is relatively light, runs cool, and has a
great battery life, but it has a model defect wherein certain keys
stop working, and in my case, it seems that replacing the keyboard
will not help. So I'm nervous about buying another one.

Ideally, I would like a machine that is no larger than 12.1 inches
(smaller preferred), no heavier than 3.1 lbs. (including battery),
that has a minimum of six hours battery life, and a standard key
layout, and that can run Windows XP, whether it is natively installed
or not. What I am finding, however, is that anything under 12.1
inches tends to be made with lower-powered CPUs. Most of these are
Atoms, which I would like to avoid. But I am very familiar with the
performances of the N series, as I have owned several, from N270
through N2600. So if you use that as a comparison, I'll know what you
mean. I don't know the differences between the Intel and AMD
processors with regard to performance, but the 350E in my X120E works
fairly well with 7, and I imagine it would be even faster with XP.
Having said that, this processor cannot handle VMware Player 6, even
though it is dual core. That's not a necessity, but it would be nice
to have as an option if the machine is running 7 and I want to use XP
without having it installed, or if I have XP installed and wish to run
7 for financial transactions. I can definitely run it on my X61,
despite the fact that it's several years older. I know that the last
Intel archetecture that can run XP is Sandy Bridge, and I tried to
research that, as well as the Core 2 Duo archetectures, but I became
confused.

Basically, I am seeking something that can run at the equivalent speed
of the Core 2 Duo T7500 or higher on a computer which matches my
screen size, weight, and battery life specifications. Is this
possible? If not, what about an equivalent of the Core 2 Duo L7500 at
1.6GHZ? That is the processor on the X61S, which I don't own. If no
one can name an actual model of computer, can someone at least tell me
which processors I should investigate?

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: using Braille with NVDA vs JAWS

Jack and Bex <jackzip65@...>
 

Hello Audrey!
I'M a braille display ONLY, user. Deaf person. What sort do you have? %Some work better with jaws than do others! In fact the braille edge does not seem to play well with jaws! However I use NVDA with my braille edge and windoze 7 and find it more than adiquate! Be happy to talk more with you about that.
Jackzip65@gmail.com
You take care. stay safe!!!

Jack and BECKY
Sent from our iPhone

On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:12 PM, audrey joy <audjoyread@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I am Audrey in NYC, where we're having a blizzard.

I use my Braille display with JAWS. Is there much of a difference with NVDA? Are the commands similar (I could care less about listening to the voice).

Thanks; enjoy Spring when it gets here.

Audrey



Re: using Braille with NVDA vs JAWS

audrey joy
 

Hello Everyone,

I am Audrey in NYC, where we're having a blizzard.

I use my Braille display with JAWS. Is there much of a difference with NVDA? Are the commands similar (I could care less about listening to the voice).

Thanks; enjoy Spring when it gets here.

Audrey


Re: Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

Cristóbal
 

Also, Groups.io has a very handy and convenient mute thread feature. Something that I’ve used in the past for topics/threads that are of no interest to me or if they’ve meandered to the point where I don’t feel like following them any more.

Again, quite convenient.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

The thread stopped a day ago on its own.  Will people who are behind in messages please read their mail before complaining about a thread that has already stopped.  I allow a certain amount of off topic discussion and that has been a practice and tradition of the list since its founding.  Every so often such a discussion takes place. 

 

It really isn't that difficult to delete some messages or mute a topic.  If a topic is too off topic, too devisive, and continues too long, I will stop it.  This thread didn't continue that long and it wasn't that many messages.  I doubt it was more than between fifteen or twenty. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

Would the person in charge, please, please, put a stop to this time wasting and unrelated to technology accessible to the blind set of emails. There is room in this wonderful country for both the ACB and the NFB. I am so tired of having to delete these emails with all the blather.

 

Lou Corbin

 

From: Marie

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

Could someone please explain what this discussion has to do with Uber self driving car accident?

Marie

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

I have actually read some in previous years. I curse the time I waisted doing so though.

 

On 3/20/2018 5:44 PM, Gene wrote:

You said you have better things to do than read their propaganda.  Any reasonable person would conclude that you haven't read it or not to any extent.  I'm not even talking about doing a lot of reading.  I'm talking about reading some or most of two Braille Monitors and looking at an article such as Blindness, is History Against us?" to get a sense of the organization's approach.  If you have read enough to amount to something, contrary to the strong implication in your statement, please clarify.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:17 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

I did not say that I didn't read the literature. I said I had better things to do than follow it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:37 AM, Gene wrote:

You have described the organization as radical and portrayed them as unreasonable fanatics.  Yet you won't read any of their literature.  You dismiss it as propaganda.  You haven't even read it to know if it is.  A lot of the material is dealing with serious discrimination issues such as children being taken away from blind parents or the inadequacies of enforcement of accessibility standards in work places. A lot of it deals with blind people discussing how they have learned to develop self-confidence and to realize that they could do various things because they believed the stereotypes society taught them.  It's a self-help aspect of the organization and it helps a lot of people.  You can't say it's propaganda if you know nothing about it.  

 

I'm not advocating for any specific organization.  If you attacked another and I knew anything about it, I'd make the same points if the attack was not accurate.  If you are tgoing to criticize an organization, you need to know something about it. 

 

Gene

----- original Message -----

 

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

hi,

I have much better things  to do with my time than read their propaganda pieces.

 

On 3/20/2018 10:51 AM, Gene wrote:

See this article on the subject of blind people and accessible money.  the NFB doesn't express opposition to accessible money.  You may disagree with the stated position but it is a disagree ment with the premise the court based its decision on. 

 

I think the Federation is too worried about the possible effects of such cases and by various accessibility initiatives.  I think the sighted world's perception of blind people is so bad that these sorts of things won't make it worse.  And I think that money should be accessible and that having it so won't have any negative impact on society's image of blind people.  But this is the kind of oversensativity that is understandable if you suffer daily unending discrimination all your life.  Is overcompensation and an overconcern with the image of blind people based on daily serious discrimination or does this sensativity stem from another cause?  Whatever the case, this is hardly radical or unreasonable.  I disagree with it.  But it hardly makes the organization villains and they do a lot of good.  Again, have you read their literature to any extent?  If all you do is hear and react against this or that which is picked up around the blind community and you don't read The Braille Monitor enough to see what the organization is doing and saying in general, you will have a distorted view. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

You are assuming that a blind person can't shoot in self-defense if the person can hear the target.  How about this statement?  To cross a street, you need to see the cars and see the other side.  Your argument is the same.  Circular reasoning.  Just because a sighted person thinks sighte is needed to perform a task, doesn't make it so.  If it were actually true that sight were necessary to do a lot of the things sighted people assume it is necessary for, then blind people really would be helpless and incapable of doing much of anything. 

 

The solution to not having an affordable screen-reader is not to create a monopoly.  It is to either subsidize screen-readers to make them affordable, or, as has been done, to develop a screen-reader like NVDA.  A lot of blind people are much better off having choice in screen-readers and in having competition. 

 

I may check one or two.  I tried to check what I consider to be the NFB screen-reader myth before.  I found nothing.  Here is a brief opinion piece on blind people owning guns.  It proves my point.  What you call radical and unrealistic is belied by this person's experience.  This article is very reasonable.  it isn't shrill, it isn't angry, it isn't militant.  it quietly makes a very good argument.  And unless you can show me properly done tests that present strong evidence that a blind person can't learn to listen and aim well enough to be useful if necessary, then you haven't proven your case.  You can argue that the argument in the article is wrong, but you can't say it is unreasonable or radical.  It is a very reasonable argument, whether you agree with it or not.

 

Gene

 

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

The screen reader opposition was a good thing then? Look what it brought us. For years, until 2012-2013 or so, maybe later, blind people paid thousands of dollars, often more than the pc to access it. As for exits, the responsibility of the person sitting near it is to guide people to safety. A sighted person, who could see what was going on would do a much better job. As for gun ownership, you claim it is discrimination. Yet, you completely ignore the fact that the basics to operate a gun are, A: to see the target, and b: to safely fire it. A blind person cannot see the target, and is as likely as ever to hit someone else. In this situation, discrimination is warranted, as the blind person lacks the necesary competences to operate a gun by being blind. As for my statements, all of them are verifieable, and common knowledge in the blind community.

On 3/20/2018 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:

What are your sources?  I don't know about the Microsoft Windows 2000 statement but it sounds very inaccurate.  I've never heard of the NFB taking a position against Microsoft putting a screen-reader in Windows.  And if they did, it isn't necessarily a radical position.  I would argue, and this isn't a radical position, it's a standard antimonopoly position, that if Microsoft put a capable screen-reader, such as NVdA now is or JAWS isin Windows, that that will destroy every other Windows screen-reader.  for years, we constantly heard that Microsoft was a monopoly.  Interesting how so many people who object to Microsoft having been a monopoly before the market changed, argue for having Microsoft create a powerful screen-reader, thus making them a monopoly in the Windows market.  No more competition, no more having the option to use different screen-readers in cases where one doesn't function well.  You would have only one and if it didn't do something wwell, that's too bad. 

 

As far as I know, the NFB didn't fight against paper money becoming accessible.  They didn't fight for it but they didn't oppose it either.  I am not an assiduous student of the NFB but I remember public statements Federation members made representing the organization at the time to the media.  The essence was that instead of worrying about accessibility, we should worry about blind people having more money. 

 

While you can say that the Federation should have worked to make money accessible. they didn't take the absurd position you claim they did, as far as I know.

 

So you think that blind people are so helpless and incompetent that they shouldn't sit near emergency exits?  they could be shown how to open them before the flight took off.  And in some emergencies, blind people would be better able to deal with situations.  If a cabin fills with smoke, who would be more competent?  A sighted person who can't see or a blind person who can't see?  Do you remember the story of the blind person who led a group of sighted people out of one of the World Trade Center towers because the sighted people couldn't see?

 

My view is that the campaign to let blind people sit near emergency exits spent a lot of time and some money on an unimportant project.  It doesn't matter much either way.  That's a question of priorities and how seriously you take an issue like that.  but it's hardly a fanatical unreasonable position.  Either you believe that blind people are competent or that they aren't.  You can argue about priorities but if you believe that blind people are competent, the position itself is not illogical or unreasonable.

 

I don't know about your bearing arms statement.  If a blind person is not allowed to bear arms once some sort of training has been administered and competency has been established, that's discrimination, pure and simple. If you think gun ownership is far too common in the United States, that is your position on gun control.  It has nothing to do with this argument.  If sighted people are allowed by law, to carry guns and blind people aren't just because they are blind, that is discrimination.  Show me evidence that a blind person, with the proper training, can't shoot in self-defense and be reasonably effective.  Unless you can show me that this has been properly tested, you can't establish your case.  Most discrimination against blind people is the result of untested and faulty and unexamined assumptions.  I need sight to do this.  How can someone without sight do it?  That is the standard reasoning.  Folowing it leads to the helpless blind person conclusion. 

 

Yes, the Federation did create a resolution on Apple apps all being accessible.  That resolution makes no sense.  Some apps, because of their nature can't be accessible.  But as I said, no organization is immune from doing stupid or questionable things. 

 

You haven't proven your point.  and your implication that the Federation was colluding or had some sort of secret motive to help this or that sscreen-reader company is baseless.  I've already presented a perfectly logical case in support of not having a powerful screen-reader developed by Microsoft.  And I don't think there is anything to the accusation in the first place. 

 

You didn’t bring up what is the most stupid ans self-destructive position the Federation has taken, to my knowledge.  That is the position against making descriptive video mandatory on television broadcasts and to be added to films aned such distributions of films as DVDS.  As I said, no political organization is immune from stupidity. 

 

Gene 
----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:30 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

The fact of the matter is, the NFB is indeed an extremist radical organization that does indeed take very stupid and ridiculous  positions. Examples: the nfb actually fought against paper money becoming accessible, convinced microsoft not to build a screenreader into win2k, and we know where that went, and who it benefited, claimed that blind people should be seated near emergency exits, and claimed that they outperformed sighted people, actually claimed that blind people should not be discriminated against in the race to bare arms, as if we don't have enough gun toting maniacs in the world, now we need blind gun toting maniacs. Furthermore, the NFB sent out a blanket statement to apple, asking all apps, regardless if they are visual in nature to be accessible. Are these examples enough?

 

On 3/20/2018 7:39 AM, Gene wrote:

I didn't say that and that has nothing to do with my point.  They have done some stupid things.  But show me a political organization that hasn't.  Plato's Republic doesn't exist.  The point is that there is a difference between your comments in your first message, which show a complete misunderstanding of the organization and what it has done and what it does, and accurate and meaningful criticism.  Your message implies that the Federation is an extremist fanatical organization that takes all sorts of ridiculous quixotic positions. 

 

Interesting that you didn't answer any of my questions about where you got your impression or putative "facts" about it. 

 

And your second message implies that they do mostly stupid things.  And no discussion of where you get your putative information to make such statements. 

 

And, though the Federation is certainly interested in promoting driverless cars, why single them out?  I haven't checked but I bet you can't show me one blindness advocacy organization in The United States that isn't in favor of them.  So why introduce gratuitous criticism or discussion of the Federation when the comments have nothing to do with the question under discussion and are just a criticism of the Federation, which has no bearing on the original question. 

 

The fact that the Federation has taken no such ridiculous position, nor does it take such positions on other issues, is prima facie evidence about your misinformed ideas about it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

and just because they might of done a few things that made the lives of blind people better, should be eternally grateful, and not criticise the stupid or downright silly things done by them?

 

On 3/20/2018 1:35 AM, Gene wrote:

It's refreshing to see your message making ridiculous caricatures of a group that has done a great deal to advance the well-being of the blind in The United States.  How much literature have you read from the organization?  How much are you forming your opinion on nothing but claims from people who don't like the organization? 

 

I'm not saying there are no grounds for criticism.  But your message demonstrates such a warped and inaccurate view of the organization and its history that the comments are not relevant.

 

A word of warning:

This is not a political discussion list.  A little discussion on this topic, if it remains civil, will be allowed.  But such discussions have a lot of potential to become devisive and I'll stop the thread if this one does.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Pedestrian

 

lets have the NFB organize protests on how using a self-driving car is a constitutional right for the blind, despite the fact that they might murder someone.

 

On 3/19/2018 11:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

For those of you who can’t waint to buy a self-driving car, you may have a long waint.  Uber has suspended its self-driving vehicle program after one of its autonomous vehicles hit and killed a pedestrian in Arizona:

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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