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Re: braille smart screen covers?

Keith S
 

and if I own an android, could I get one of those adhesive screen protectors and place braille dymo tape labels on the screen protector?
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille smart screen covers?

You could try ET guys as I know they sell tactile iPad covers.


Ashley Breger

On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:00 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@...> wrote:

Is there such a thing like a braille screen cover for a smart phone, in particular, and I-Phone?
 
 
If so, where can I purchase one?
 
Thanks
 
Keith


Frustration with Reset Login Info Gmail Messages

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

It seems as though I am not receiving gmail messages with instructions to reset login info for more than one account. I’ve looked in my Junk folder, but I don’t see them. Is the spam folder on the gmail.com site the same as the junk folder? If not, what view is best for navigating and searching this folder? Any input would be much appreciated, as many of these accounts are important to me.

Thanks,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids? Visit http://cochlearamericas.com


Re: braille smart screen covers?

Chris Grabowski <skywalker@...>
 

We just recorded a podcast where we talk to Amy Billman regarding tactile screen protectors.
Here is the link.

https://www.mysticaccess.com/apple/a-cacophony-of-braille/





From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, Jul 21, 2018 4:29 AM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille smart screen covers?

You could try ET guys as I know they sell tactile iPad covers.


Ashley Breger

On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:00 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@...> wrote:

Is there such a thing like a braille screen cover for a smart phone, in particular, and I-Phone?
 
 
If so, where can I purchase one?
 
Thanks
 
Keith


Accessible Wi-fi Manager

Joe Orozco
 

Hello,

I vaguely remember back in the days of XP that there used to be
alternative wi-fi managing software to the program that comes
installed with Windows. Does such an accessible alternative exist for
Windows 10? I'm looking for something that will more easily get to the
wi-fi settings, set up and delete wi-fi profiles, etc. Thanks for any
information.

Joe


Re: braille smart screen covers?

Sandra Streeter
 

I have one from AT Guys, and wouldn’t use a smartphone (I’m on an iPhone 8) without it; it makes the difference between willingness to embark on the steep learning curve from buttons to a touch-screen, and not. There are several models of overlays, so you might want to check the site out. I’m using the Speeddots basic overlay, which is like a big adhesive-backed Dymo sheet, probably about 3.5x5, and there’s a more-advanced model that doesn’t have as many dots, and a tempered glass model, which I may change to someday; right now, I’m very happy with what I have.
 
 
 
Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)
 

From: Keith S
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] braille smart screen covers?
 
Is there such a thing like a braille screen cover for a smart phone, in particular, and I-Phone?
 
 
If so, where can I purchase one?
 
Thanks
 
Keith

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Re: braille smart screen covers?

 

You could try ET guys as I know they sell tactile iPad covers.


Ashley Breger

On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:00 AM, Keith S <ks.steinbach03@...> wrote:

Is there such a thing like a braille screen cover for a smart phone, in particular, and I-Phone?
 
 
If so, where can I purchase one?
 
Thanks
 
Keith


Re: Orbit Reader 20 verses Braille Me

heather albright
 

I would like to know too. I heard the braille me has cells that are not as strong and that it cant do a lot of things just simple word processing! I have always had humanware displays and I am thinking of getting the Brailliant braille display. I have to keep saving to get it! I will keep using my braille note even though it is14 years old! Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 

From: sr91black via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 1:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Reader 20 verses Braille Me

 

Hello:

Could someone let me know how the Orbit Reader 20 compares to the Braille Me? I have look over the specks and it seems that the quality of the braille is different between them.

My wife wants to get one. She has been using a M20 until it finely broke and FS does not fix them any longer.

Thanks

 


Orbit Reader 20 verses Braille Me

sr91black
 

Hello:

Could someone let me know how the Orbit Reader 20 compares to the Braille Me? I have look over the specks and it seems that the quality of the braille is different between them.

My wife wants to get one. She has been using a M20 until it finely broke and FS does not fix them any longer.

Thanks


braille smart screen covers?

Keith S
 

Is there such a thing like a braille screen cover for a smart phone, in particular, and I-Phone?
 
 
If so, where can I purchase one?
 
Thanks
 
Keith


Re: jaws list

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Karim,
 
The Jaws-Users website is:
 
 
Although the email list has moved to Groups.io the website will remain intact so people can access its content.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 5:12 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] jaws list

Hi,
I was trying to find the web address for the list?
I think it was, something like?
www.jawslist.com?
Thanks for any suggestions.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 4:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

It stands to reason that eventually, they will age out.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Sorry but not all working IPhones will continue to receive updates to the
OS. right now the 5S and later are eligible but nothing older.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I love the SE, especially it's small size. I have no complaint about it at
all.

The thing about the iPhone, as long as they are still running, you get the
benefit of all of the updates on any iPhone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

This Key2 actually sounds promising, but for me, it's not worth the price
they're asking for it, unless it can replace my computer completely.  I
know it can't, because I need something which can read polytonic Greek,
which I use on a daily basis.  I have never heard of Talkback being able to
use espeak, which is the only synthesizer capable of doing this.  I'm not
even sure if Android, itself, has the capability of entering or rendering
such text, but it may.

I don't like the idea of relying on batteries in a keyboard.  If they die,
and I don't have replacements available, I can't use the device.
I use TMobile which doesn't have contracts.  I also don't like paying
monthly for things.  I buy them outright.  So if I can't afford them, I
don't buy them.  If I were to get an Iphone, it would be the SE.
It's a good size, uses a normal headphone jack, and I heard it is even
better than the 6.  There was another reason why I would prefer the SE, but
I forget what it is at the moment.  The reason why I even know anything
about these is that I helped my best friend buy one.

By proprietary technology, I meant that you have to buy things specifically
compatible with Apple, from keyboards to flash drives, and they are usually
more expensive than regular ones.  This is not true with Windows.  But to
be fair, I know slightly more about Macs than Iphones.

I suppose you're right about upgrades.  After all, I use Windows XP and 7,
and my current machine is from 2010.  It's just that I thought there were
major advantages to using newer versions of IOS and Android from an
accessible perspective.  Perhaps, I'm wrong.

On 19/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@...> wrote:
> Hi Eleni and all,
>
> You write:
> I like things with built-in keyboards
>
> You might want to have a look at the Blackberry Key2, see
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/07/blackberry_key2_hands_on/
> for a brief review.
>
> You write:
> If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses
> bluetooth.
>
> If I may ask, why? This is just curiosity, the input method you use is
> entirely your affair, it just seems odd that the only thing Bluetooth
> does well is the thing you don't like. Bluetooth audio is unreliable,
> Bluetooth file transfer is quite poor, and the less said about
> Bluetooth networking the better, but Bluetooth keyboard input actually
> works well, in my unfortunately extensive experience. Note that it
> only started working well after Bluetooth 3.x, so if your view is
> based on any experience you had with older devices, it may be worth
> giving things another shot with newer ones.
> In any case, it doesn't matter with phones and keyboards, you can use
> USB keyboards, whether wired or wireless, with both Android and
> iDevices, though at an extra cost between $5 and $35 depending on the
> phone.
>
> You write:
> The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and
> the proprietary nature of everything.
> Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
> which I am against doing.
>
> I'm afraid I don't see the expense. Frankly, anyone who buys a phone
> new on contract is, by that action, proving that he has too much
> money. On the used market, and even purchased outright a generation
> behind, Apple's expense is only slightly more than comparable phones.
> Depending on what you want and when you buy, the expense may actually
> be less than comparable phones, though this is unlikely. To put it
> differently, the Apple premium isn't as much as it was, if it exists
> at all. The other aspect, of course, is that and if one looks at it in
> terms of updates, one pays less to have an updated phone annually with
> Apple, I don't know of any Android device which has been routinely
> updated for at least six years, as the iPhone 5S has.
> If by proprietary technology, you mean the lightning port, I agree,
> it's a serious drawback to Apple's phones. As for upgrading, I agree
> that Apple, like all companies, wants upgrades every few years. The
> market is saturated, at least in North America and Western Europe. I
> don't, with respect, see why I should care, though. To adapt a phrase,
> I'm not Apple's mother. Apple can continue angling for upgrades, I
> have no reason to upgrade until they release something worth upgrading
> for. Why does it matter that they want you to upgrade? The only thing
> which makes me think that might be important is that they slowed the
> processor on some phones, but they had an excuse for that and it might
> even have been the actual reason, or part of it, that the battery was
> deteriorating.
> Aman
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
> Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions
>
> I like things with built-in keyboards.  If I were to use an external
> one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth.  From what I heard,
> Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not
> always the case with Android.  The thing that I don't like about Apple
> is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
> Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
> which I am against doing.
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: help needed with gmail

Troy Burnham
 

The reason I found it to be too much trouble is that I use thunderbird for my e-mail, and the folders get placed into thunderbird but they aren't in the same area that the inbox is in, the created folders are way down closer to the bottom of the treeview.


Having said that, I thought I had deleted both the filters and the folders, or labels in this case, but when I created the filters I checked the box on each one to skip the inbox, and that was still there when I just checked so I got rid of those and hopefully that solves the problem.


Troy

On 7/20/2018 10:12 PM, Missa wrote:
I can't see how it could be too much trouble. I've been using that
method for years and find it makes things a lot easier.Maybe you had
too many folders/filters to keep track of?
Anyway, have you checked to see if there are any filters still active?
How about creating filters for those email and have them routed to the
inbox? Have you tried re-creating the folders to see what the email
do?
On 7/20/18, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,


Somebody on this list recently told me how to filter messages to
separate folders in gmail and I tried it and decided that it wasn't
worth the trouble. I then deleted the folders and the filters I
created, but now a good number of my gmail messages are going into the
important folder and not the inbox folder. In fact it looks like most
of the messages are doing that but not all, some are going to the
inbox. I'm not aware of any other changes I've made on the web site so
can anybody tell me how to correct this problem?


Thanks.


Troy








Re: help needed with gmail

 

I can't see how it could be too much trouble. I've been using that
method for years and find it makes things a lot easier.Maybe you had
too many folders/filters to keep track of?
Anyway, have you checked to see if there are any filters still active?
How about creating filters for those email and have them routed to the
inbox? Have you tried re-creating the folders to see what the email
do?

On 7/20/18, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,


Somebody on this list recently told me how to filter messages to
separate folders in gmail and I tried it and decided that it wasn't
worth the trouble. I then deleted the folders and the filters I
created, but now a good number of my gmail messages are going into the
important folder and not the inbox folder. In fact it looks like most
of the messages are doing that but not all, some are going to the
inbox. I'm not aware of any other changes I've made on the web site so
can anybody tell me how to correct this problem?


Thanks.


Troy








Re: Need a little help with Sirius XM

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Mike, I want to give an update on my SiriusXM experience today. They were able to set me up with streaming access, and then I had to go back to the website, and register with the email address that I provided to them, providing my ID. Didn’t think I was going to have to do that but I did. It went smoother than what I was throwing around for the last couple of days so I’m good till the first part of January. Then I’m at the $20 a month level but I will be waiting to see if they have any offers come up when the time comes.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 20, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

Hi Troy,
 
It's a customer service number.  Like anything else you can get good or bad help.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Need a little help with Sirius XM

Is this a number for accessibility for xm or is it just one of their customer service numbers?


I haven't had to call them for a while because I have an online subscription and have my amazon echo linked and I listen through that, but when I have had to call in the past the service wasn't always the greatest so if this is an accessibility number I'll hold  onto it.


Troy




On 7/19/2018 11:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Joseph,
 
The easiest way to go about it would be to call:  1-888-539-7474

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:04 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Need a little help with Sirius XM

Good evening everyone, I know that using Sirius XM, has been discussed on this list before. However, I'm having a little bit of an issue. So for the first time, I decided to buy the bullet, and triathlete 30 day free trial period enjoyed that very much. Love listening to it on my iPhone, and my son the speaker. However, I try to go sign up for a subscription, and I'm unable to get registered properly. I'm wondering if any of y'all, can give me some guidance on the best way to remake my account. Using the Sirius XM website, for Windows, and a Mac, has not really worked for me and neither has my phone. What's next is there a accessibility number that we can contact?



Virus-free. www.avast.com


jaws list

Karim Lakhani
 

Hi,
I was trying to find the web address for the list?
I think it was, something like?
www.jawslist.com?
Thanks for any suggestions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 4:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

It stands to reason that eventually, they will age out.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Sorry but not all working IPhones will continue to receive updates to the
OS. right now the 5S and later are eligible but nothing older.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I love the SE, especially it's small size. I have no complaint about it at
all.

The thing about the iPhone, as long as they are still running, you get the
benefit of all of the updates on any iPhone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

This Key2 actually sounds promising, but for me, it's not worth the price
they're asking for it, unless it can replace my computer completely. I
know it can't, because I need something which can read polytonic Greek,
which I use on a daily basis. I have never heard of Talkback being able to
use espeak, which is the only synthesizer capable of doing this. I'm not
even sure if Android, itself, has the capability of entering or rendering
such text, but it may.

I don't like the idea of relying on batteries in a keyboard. If they die,
and I don't have replacements available, I can't use the device.
I use TMobile which doesn't have contracts. I also don't like paying
monthly for things. I buy them outright. So if I can't afford them, I
don't buy them. If I were to get an Iphone, it would be the SE.
It's a good size, uses a normal headphone jack, and I heard it is even
better than the 6. There was another reason why I would prefer the SE, but
I forget what it is at the moment. The reason why I even know anything
about these is that I helped my best friend buy one.

By proprietary technology, I meant that you have to buy things specifically
compatible with Apple, from keyboards to flash drives, and they are usually
more expensive than regular ones. This is not true with Windows. But to
be fair, I know slightly more about Macs than Iphones.

I suppose you're right about upgrades. After all, I use Windows XP and 7,
and my current machine is from 2010. It's just that I thought there were
major advantages to using newer versions of IOS and Android from an
accessible perspective. Perhaps, I'm wrong.

On 19/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eleni and all,

You write:
I like things with built-in keyboards

You might want to have a look at the Blackberry Key2, see
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/07/blackberry_key2_hands_on/
for a brief review.

You write:
If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses
bluetooth.

If I may ask, why? This is just curiosity, the input method you use is
entirely your affair, it just seems odd that the only thing Bluetooth
does well is the thing you don't like. Bluetooth audio is unreliable,
Bluetooth file transfer is quite poor, and the less said about
Bluetooth networking the better, but Bluetooth keyboard input actually
works well, in my unfortunately extensive experience. Note that it
only started working well after Bluetooth 3.x, so if your view is
based on any experience you had with older devices, it may be worth
giving things another shot with newer ones.
In any case, it doesn't matter with phones and keyboards, you can use
USB keyboards, whether wired or wireless, with both Android and
iDevices, though at an extra cost between $5 and $35 depending on the
phone.

You write:
The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and
the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.

I'm afraid I don't see the expense. Frankly, anyone who buys a phone
new on contract is, by that action, proving that he has too much
money. On the used market, and even purchased outright a generation
behind, Apple's expense is only slightly more than comparable phones.
Depending on what you want and when you buy, the expense may actually
be less than comparable phones, though this is unlikely. To put it
differently, the Apple premium isn't as much as it was, if it exists
at all. The other aspect, of course, is that and if one looks at it in
terms of updates, one pays less to have an updated phone annually with
Apple, I don't know of any Android device which has been routinely
updated for at least six years, as the iPhone 5S has.
If by proprietary technology, you mean the lightning port, I agree,
it's a serious drawback to Apple's phones. As for upgrading, I agree
that Apple, like all companies, wants upgrades every few years. The
market is saturated, at least in North America and Western Europe. I
don't, with respect, see why I should care, though. To adapt a phrase,
I'm not Apple's mother. Apple can continue angling for upgrades, I
have no reason to upgrade until they release something worth upgrading
for. Why does it matter that they want you to upgrade? The only thing
which makes me think that might be important is that they slowed the
processor on some phones, but they had an excuse for that and it might
even have been the actual reason, or part of it, that the battery was
deteriorating.
Aman


Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I like things with built-in keyboards. If I were to use an external
one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth. From what I heard,
Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not
always the case with Android. The thing that I don't like about Apple
is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.





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Re: help needed with gmail

Terry Olandese
 

To that end. Anyone have any good tutorials on using and setting up gmail accounts?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Troy Burnham
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 3:42 PM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: [TechTalk] help needed with gmail

Hi all,


Somebody on this list recently told me how to filter messages to separate folders in gmail and I tried it and decided that it wasn't worth the trouble. I then deleted the folders and the filters I created, but now a good number of my gmail messages are going into the important folder and not the inbox folder. In fact it looks like most of the messages are doing that but not all, some are going to the inbox. I'm not aware of any other changes I've made on the web site so can anybody tell me how to correct this problem?


Thanks.


Troy


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

It stands to reason that eventually, they will age out.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Sorry but not all working IPhones will continue to receive updates to the OS. right now the 5S and later are eligible but nothing older.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I love the SE, especially it's small size. I have no complaint about it at
all.

The thing about the iPhone, as long as they are still running, you get the
benefit of all of the updates on any iPhone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

This Key2 actually sounds promising, but for me, it's not worth the price
they're asking for it, unless it can replace my computer completely. I know
it can't, because I need something which can read polytonic Greek, which I
use on a daily basis. I have never heard of Talkback being able to use
espeak, which is the only synthesizer capable of doing this. I'm not even
sure if Android, itself, has the capability of entering or rendering such
text, but it may.

I don't like the idea of relying on batteries in a keyboard. If they die,
and I don't have replacements available, I can't use the device.
I use TMobile which doesn't have contracts. I also don't like paying
monthly for things. I buy them outright. So if I can't afford them, I
don't buy them. If I were to get an Iphone, it would be the SE.
It's a good size, uses a normal headphone jack, and I heard it is even
better than the 6. There was another reason why I would prefer the SE, but
I forget what it is at the moment. The reason why I even know anything
about these is that I helped my best friend buy one.

By proprietary technology, I meant that you have to buy things specifically
compatible with Apple, from keyboards to flash drives, and they are usually
more expensive than regular ones. This is not true with Windows. But to be
fair, I know slightly more about Macs than Iphones.

I suppose you're right about upgrades. After all, I use Windows XP and 7,
and my current machine is from 2010. It's just that I thought there were
major advantages to using newer versions of IOS and Android from an
accessible perspective. Perhaps, I'm wrong.

On 19/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eleni and all,

You write:
I like things with built-in keyboards

You might want to have a look at the Blackberry Key2, see
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/07/blackberry_key2_hands_on/
for a brief review.

You write:
If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses
bluetooth.

If I may ask, why? This is just curiosity, the input method you use
is entirely your affair, it just seems odd that the only thing
Bluetooth does well is the thing you don't like. Bluetooth audio is
unreliable, Bluetooth file transfer is quite poor, and the less said
about Bluetooth networking the better, but Bluetooth keyboard input
actually works well, in my unfortunately extensive experience. Note
that it only started working well after Bluetooth 3.x, so if your view
is based on any experience you had with older devices, it may be worth
giving things another shot with newer ones.
In any case, it doesn't matter with phones and keyboards, you can use
USB keyboards, whether wired or wireless, with both Android and
iDevices, though at an extra cost between $5 and $35 depending on the
phone.

You write:
The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and
the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.

I'm afraid I don't see the expense. Frankly, anyone who buys a phone
new on contract is, by that action, proving that he has too much
money. On the used market, and even purchased outright a generation
behind, Apple's expense is only slightly more than comparable phones.
Depending on what you want and when you buy, the expense may actually
be less than comparable phones, though this is unlikely. To put it
differently, the Apple premium isn't as much as it was, if it exists
at all. The other aspect, of course, is that and if one looks at it in
terms of updates, one pays less to have an updated phone annually with
Apple, I don't know of any Android device which has been routinely updated
for at least six years, as the iPhone 5S has.
If by proprietary technology, you mean the lightning port, I agree,
it's a serious drawback to Apple's phones. As for upgrading, I agree
that Apple, like all companies, wants upgrades every few years. The
market is saturated, at least in North America and Western Europe. I
don't, with respect, see why I should care, though. To adapt a phrase,
I'm not Apple's mother. Apple can continue angling for upgrades, I
have no reason to upgrade until they release something worth upgrading
for. Why does it matter that they want you to upgrade? The only thing
which makes me think that might be important is that they slowed the
processor on some phones, but they had an excuse for that and it might
even have been the actual reason, or part of it, that the battery was
deteriorating.
Aman


Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I like things with built-in keyboards. If I were to use an external
one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth. From what I heard,
Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not
always the case with Android. The thing that I don't like about Apple
is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.





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Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Marie <scribbles5@...>
 

Sorry but not all working IPhones will continue to receive updates to the OS. right now the 5S and later are eligible but nothing older.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I love the SE, especially it's small size. I have no complaint about it at all.

The thing about the iPhone, as long as they are still running, you get the benefit of all of the updates on any iPhone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

This Key2 actually sounds promising, but for me, it's not worth the price they're asking for it, unless it can replace my computer completely. I know it can't, because I need something which can read polytonic Greek, which I use on a daily basis. I have never heard of Talkback being able to use espeak, which is the only synthesizer capable of doing this. I'm not even sure if Android, itself, has the capability of entering or rendering such text, but it may.

I don't like the idea of relying on batteries in a keyboard. If they die, and I don't have replacements available, I can't use the device.
I use TMobile which doesn't have contracts. I also don't like paying monthly for things. I buy them outright. So if I can't afford them, I don't buy them. If I were to get an Iphone, it would be the SE.
It's a good size, uses a normal headphone jack, and I heard it is even better than the 6. There was another reason why I would prefer the SE, but I forget what it is at the moment. The reason why I even know anything about these is that I helped my best friend buy one.

By proprietary technology, I meant that you have to buy things specifically compatible with Apple, from keyboards to flash drives, and they are usually more expensive than regular ones. This is not true with Windows. But to be fair, I know slightly more about Macs than Iphones.

I suppose you're right about upgrades. After all, I use Windows XP and 7, and my current machine is from 2010. It's just that I thought there were major advantages to using newer versions of IOS and Android from an accessible perspective. Perhaps, I'm wrong.

On 19/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eleni and all,

You write:
I like things with built-in keyboards

You might want to have a look at the Blackberry Key2, see
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/07/blackberry_key2_hands_on/
for a brief review.

You write:
If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses
bluetooth.

If I may ask, why? This is just curiosity, the input method you use
is entirely your affair, it just seems odd that the only thing
Bluetooth does well is the thing you don't like. Bluetooth audio is
unreliable, Bluetooth file transfer is quite poor, and the less said
about Bluetooth networking the better, but Bluetooth keyboard input
actually works well, in my unfortunately extensive experience. Note
that it only started working well after Bluetooth 3.x, so if your view
is based on any experience you had with older devices, it may be worth giving things another shot with newer ones.
In any case, it doesn't matter with phones and keyboards, you can use
USB keyboards, whether wired or wireless, with both Android and
iDevices, though at an extra cost between $5 and $35 depending on the phone.

You write:
The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and
the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.

I'm afraid I don't see the expense. Frankly, anyone who buys a phone
new on contract is, by that action, proving that he has too much
money. On the used market, and even purchased outright a generation
behind, Apple's expense is only slightly more than comparable phones.
Depending on what you want and when you buy, the expense may actually
be less than comparable phones, though this is unlikely. To put it
differently, the Apple premium isn't as much as it was, if it exists
at all. The other aspect, of course, is that and if one looks at it in
terms of updates, one pays less to have an updated phone annually with
Apple, I don't know of any Android device which has been routinely updated for at least six years, as the iPhone 5S has.
If by proprietary technology, you mean the lightning port, I agree,
it's a serious drawback to Apple's phones. As for upgrading, I agree
that Apple, like all companies, wants upgrades every few years. The
market is saturated, at least in North America and Western Europe. I
don't, with respect, see why I should care, though. To adapt a phrase,
I'm not Apple's mother. Apple can continue angling for upgrades, I
have no reason to upgrade until they release something worth upgrading
for. Why does it matter that they want you to upgrade? The only thing
which makes me think that might be important is that they slowed the
processor on some phones, but they had an excuse for that and it might
even have been the actual reason, or part of it, that the battery was deteriorating.
Aman


Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I like things with built-in keyboards. If I were to use an external
one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth. From what I heard,
Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not
always the case with Android. The thing that I don't like about Apple
is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.





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Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

Might keep those keyboards in mind - no point being closed minded, thanks, Aman.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 8:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Carolyn,

You write:
It would be nice to have that keyboard for texting and entering contacts.

If you're after a keyboard for your phone, as I said, Amazon has them for $25 and under. Just search for RII and you'll find a ton. I honestly don't know what the point of built-in keyboards is these days, there is so much choice as to what sort of keyboard to use (big, small, folding, rigid, etc), and bluetooth/USB connections are so stable. I don't see the point of limiting myself to one specific form by always having it. I only mentioned the Blackberry unit because Eleni was asking about a unit with a built-in board and I recalled reading the review. Though I don't see the point, he obviously does. All the advantages of a KeyTwo are, in my respectful view, available with any phone for $40, and that's a generous estimate.
Aman




-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Interesting about the KeyTwo. I knew about the KeyOne. I would love to see one and see if someone could show me how to work it. It would be nice to have that keyboard for texting and entering contacts.

Best regards,

Carolyn


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

I love the SE, especially it's small size. I have no complaint about it at all.

The thing about the iPhone, as long as they are still running, you get the benefit of all of the updates on any iPhone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

This Key2 actually sounds promising, but for me, it's not worth the price they're asking for it, unless it can replace my computer completely. I know it can't, because I need something which can read polytonic Greek, which I use on a daily basis. I have never heard of Talkback being able to use espeak, which is the only synthesizer capable of doing this. I'm not even sure if Android, itself, has the capability of entering or rendering such text, but it may.

I don't like the idea of relying on batteries in a keyboard. If they die, and I don't have replacements available, I can't use the device.
I use TMobile which doesn't have contracts. I also don't like paying monthly for things. I buy them outright. So if I can't afford them, I don't buy them. If I were to get an Iphone, it would be the SE.
It's a good size, uses a normal headphone jack, and I heard it is even better than the 6. There was another reason why I would prefer the SE, but I forget what it is at the moment. The reason why I even know anything about these is that I helped my best friend buy one.

By proprietary technology, I meant that you have to buy things specifically compatible with Apple, from keyboards to flash drives, and they are usually more expensive than regular ones. This is not true with Windows. But to be fair, I know slightly more about Macs than Iphones.

I suppose you're right about upgrades. After all, I use Windows XP and 7, and my current machine is from 2010. It's just that I thought there were major advantages to using newer versions of IOS and Android from an accessible perspective. Perhaps, I'm wrong.

On 19/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eleni and all,

You write:
I like things with built-in keyboards

You might want to have a look at the Blackberry Key2, see
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/07/blackberry_key2_hands_on/
for a brief review.

You write:
If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses
bluetooth.

If I may ask, why? This is just curiosity, the input method you use
is entirely your affair, it just seems odd that the only thing
Bluetooth does well is the thing you don't like. Bluetooth audio is
unreliable, Bluetooth file transfer is quite poor, and the less said
about Bluetooth networking the better, but Bluetooth keyboard input
actually works well, in my unfortunately extensive experience. Note
that it only started working well after Bluetooth 3.x, so if your view
is based on any experience you had with older devices, it may be worth giving things another shot with newer ones.
In any case, it doesn't matter with phones and keyboards, you can use
USB keyboards, whether wired or wireless, with both Android and
iDevices, though at an extra cost between $5 and $35 depending on the phone.

You write:
The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and
the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.

I'm afraid I don't see the expense. Frankly, anyone who buys a phone
new on contract is, by that action, proving that he has too much
money. On the used market, and even purchased outright a generation
behind, Apple's expense is only slightly more than comparable phones.
Depending on what you want and when you buy, the expense may actually
be less than comparable phones, though this is unlikely. To put it
differently, the Apple premium isn't as much as it was, if it exists
at all. The other aspect, of course, is that and if one looks at it in
terms of updates, one pays less to have an updated phone annually with
Apple, I don't know of any Android device which has been routinely updated for at least six years, as the iPhone 5S has.
If by proprietary technology, you mean the lightning port, I agree,
it's a serious drawback to Apple's phones. As for upgrading, I agree
that Apple, like all companies, wants upgrades every few years. The
market is saturated, at least in North America and Western Europe. I
don't, with respect, see why I should care, though. To adapt a phrase,
I'm not Apple's mother. Apple can continue angling for upgrades, I
have no reason to upgrade until they release something worth upgrading
for. Why does it matter that they want you to upgrade? The only thing
which makes me think that might be important is that they slowed the
processor on some phones, but they had an excuse for that and it might
even have been the actual reason, or part of it, that the battery was deteriorating.
Aman


Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I like things with built-in keyboards. If I were to use an external
one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth. From what I heard,
Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not
always the case with Android. The thing that I don't like about Apple
is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner,
which I am against doing.





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Re: Need a little help with Sirius XM

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Troy,
 
It's a customer service number.  Like anything else you can get good or bad help.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Need a little help with Sirius XM

Is this a number for accessibility for xm or is it just one of their customer service numbers?


I haven't had to call them for a while because I have an online subscription and have my amazon echo linked and I listen through that, but when I have had to call in the past the service wasn't always the greatest so if this is an accessibility number I'll hold  onto it.


Troy




On 7/19/2018 11:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Joseph,
 
The easiest way to go about it would be to call:  1-888-539-7474

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:04 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Need a little help with Sirius XM

Good evening everyone, I know that using Sirius XM, has been discussed on this list before. However, I'm having a little bit of an issue. So for the first time, I decided to buy the bullet, and triathlete 30 day free trial period enjoyed that very much. Love listening to it on my iPhone, and my son the speaker. However, I try to go sign up for a subscription, and I'm unable to get registered properly. I'm wondering if any of y'all, can give me some guidance on the best way to remake my account. Using the Sirius XM website, for Windows, and a Mac, has not really worked for me and neither has my phone. What's next is there a accessibility number that we can contact?



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