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Re: IE opening when choosing to open email in browser

Cristóbal
 

Hi Mike,

The only thing is, that regardless of what type of email I receive, be it from one of my vendors, a coupon offer, newsletters, X, Y or Z, they all open in IE. I find it hard to believe that all these messages are somehow formatted still with IE as some sort of trigger.

They don’t even open in Edge which would even make more sense. I’m curious to know if others have this similar experience.

I have to imagine it might be something in Outlook, but I have no idea where to look.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IE opening when choosing to open email in browser

 

Hi Cristóbal,

 

If the shortcut link you click on was made using IE11 that is why they open in IE11.  For the same link to open in either Firefox or Chrome they would have to been made using either of those browsers.  If I'm wrong someone will correct me.

Take care.  Go Rams!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:28 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] IE opening when choosing to open email in browser

 

Hello list,

I have Chrome as my default browser on one machine and Firefox on the other. Both running Outlook 2016 on Win 10 operating systems.

When I get one of those HTML rich emails, be it a newsletter or receipt or promotional sale or what have you where it’s just easier to view in the browser, I’ll with the message open, do the alt + H, A, V for the view this email in browser command. The email without fail always opens in IE.

Is there perhaps a setting I’m missing be it in Outlook or in the system settings to correct this behavior?

Thanks,

Cristobal


Re: Braille Display Questions

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Thank you for that link! Should I choose the 14 or the 40? I am
guessing that, if I choose the 14, six of the cells would remain
empty, but that choosing the 40 might work.

At any rate, I listened to the podcast and am reconsidering the
Braille Me. It seems that the issues really were fixed and the
display has several options which are important to me, including
cursor-routing buttons and translation between braille and txt. The
bad thing is that it can't handle rtf, which I use on a daily basis,
but that can easily be overcome if and when I choose to use the
display on its own. At the same time, when shipping and handling are
included, it will probably cost at least $200 more than the Pacmate,
which, if we're discussing both the display portion and the Notetaker,
does offer a bit more, especially if I can find a wireless card for
it. As the manual to the Braille Me explains, it is NVDA, not the
display itself, which controls the language, so in that, they are both
equal. Now, I must find a review of the Pacmate, particularly of the
display, with regard to sound and appearance. I should also review
the NVDA commands for using it as opposed to the Braille Me. It is
controlled by usb when disconnected from the unit, so I don't need to
worry about batteries dying, which I might have to do with the Braille
Me.

Overall, this decision is going to be a very difficult one, as both
look promising. I just need to find a reason why one is better than
the other, especially considering the huge price difference. This is
an add-on for me, not something that is essential, but it will be
helpful in certain situations.

On 17/11/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

You write:

I'm currently in the process of seeking Pacmate driver. From what I recall,
I must search for the Focus one, as it works on both units.

That's so. Try

https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Focus/FocusBlueBrailleDisplayDriver

This does work for the Pacmate as well as the focus. I have used it on
Windows 7 and above but see no reason why it would not work on XP, given
that the displays have been around for a while.

You write:
I never considered not taking into account opinions on the actual braille of
a braille display when reading a review. I thought that would be a core
component of the description and experience.

I used to agree with you, but have found that the quality of braille is so
subjective that other people's views can actually mislead. Obviously, if
there are a few reviews which all mention stuck dots or other reliability
issues, those are worth taking into account, particularly if they're recent.
Again, if there are many reviews and all point out one defective point in
the braille (too weak, too strong, refreshes too slowly, etc.), that too
should be taken into account. As to the quality of the braille itself,
though, I'm tempted to say that one should really try it for oneself. Your
analogizing it to a keyboard is perfectly reasonable. This is something only
the end-user can judge. Keep in mind also, if you will, that some people
don't have a good basis for comparison. There's a reason sighted people
think narrator is a good screen reader, for example. They are not familiar
with the state-of-the-art, and therefore will think anything works well
because, just for example, it talks. I grant that the perfect is the enemy
of the good, but in another way, the mediocre can be the enemy of the good,
too.

You write:

That is, even if I write something using Greek braile, if I saved it and
then tried to convert it to txt or rtf and use it with my computer, it
wouldn't work correctly.

That's true, but brf files are just text with the braille symbols
represented in them. You can, if you wish, open the file in notepad and read
it on the same or another display, though you will not hear it represented
properly in speech and though it will not be properly displayed for a
sighted user. This applies even if the braille display does not natively
support
the language. Obviously, if the display does support the language and its
braille tables, it will allow you to have the files brought into the
displays format of choice and, when they are saved, save the files in the
mainstream format. If that's the case, you can read the files with speech
and send them to sighted users.
HTH,
Aman


Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:44 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

To Aman Singer:"
I'm currently in the process of seeking Pacmate driver. From what I recall,
I must search for the Focus one, as it works on both units.

No, I definitely wasn't being sarcastic with relation to his and him.
I am a grammar prescriptivist and am against political correctness and the
language it creates. So this made me smile.

Yes, I would consider the Pacmate to be an extra, but quite an interesting
one. I haven't used JFW since 4.5.

I always make sure that everything I buy on Ebay has been tested, is
working, and includes a return policy. There was one exception, but the
seller was extremely honest and specifically said that, due to the age of
the item, it might not work correctly, even though it was never opened.

I never considered not taking into account opinions on the actual braille of
a braille display when reading a review. I thought that would be a core
component of the description and experience. But I have only read a few
such reviews in my life, since this is the first time I considered buyin a
braille display. Almost everything else that I own is mainstream or cheap
and simple enough that I could read the description on the website and know
whether i wanted it or not.
But I suppose it's like a keyboard. Everyone has his own opinion on the
matter.

I don't use bluetooth on anything, but it definitely explains the extra
expense. Plus, the one I saw was a 40-cell display, which always cost
more.

To Josh Kennedy:
I have heard negative things about the Orbit, so am a bit hesitant to use
it. As for the notetaker, it cannot save to the proper braille code if it's
not installed on the device. That is, even if I write something using Greek
braile, if I saved it and then tried to convert it to txt or rtf and use it
with my computer, it wouldn't work correctly. Likewise, it probably
couldn't read my files on my thumb drive. But that doesn't really matter,
as I will mainly be using such a display with NVDA. I am glad that the
issues with the Braille Me have been resolved. As for the person I
mentioned, he is not my friend. This was from a review that I read.

To Victor:
Has your focus always had this issue or is it recent? I hope I don't have
the same issues with the Pacmate. I do remember that, sometimes, the dots
on my Braille Lite 2000 would stick up and I had to run my finger across
them, but that wasn't a serious issue. I can't ever recall that happening
with my BrailleNote. Personally, I wouldn't mind 40 cells, though I would
prefer them to be in two lines, not one.
It is easier to carry a smaller device.

To Chris G:
Thank you for the link. I am interested in hearing the podcast as well.

On 16/11/2018, Chris G <chris@magiccastle.online> wrote:
Hi Don,
Here is a link to the podcast in question.

https://www.mysticaccess.com/j04p


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*From:* Donald L. Roberts
*Sent:* Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:59 PM EST
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions


Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
Thanks.
Don Roberts

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*From:* Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i
listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which
demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to
own, along with the orbit20.




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Re: how to make a hot key with jaws

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Lorena,
 
Try the following:
1. Go to the Desktop with the keystroke, Windows key + M or D.
2. Press J repeatedly until you land on the JAWS icon you wan to work with if you have more than 1 version of Jaws on the desktop.
3. Press Alt-Enter to bring up the selected JAWS icon Properties page.
4. Tab to the Shortcut key field, and type in the shortcut key combination of your choice, like Alt-Control-J or whatever other combination you prefer.
5. Tab to Apply button, hit Space, then tab around again to the Okay button
and press enter to save and close.

Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] how to make a hot key with jaws

using windows 7 jaws 2018 just updated to the latest 2018thanks much


Re: Setting Default Issue

Lynn White
 

Hi Joe,


Thanks.  Glad to hear that.

On 11/17/2018 1:00 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
This is a known issue, and Microsoft says a fix is coming in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lynn White
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting Default Issue

I just got the latest Windows 10 upgrade. For whatever reason, some of my default programs got changed which I managed to change back without any issues.


However, I use cue files in Notepad. I told Windows that I want to use Notepad as my default app and checked. But, each time I open a cue file, I get the question repeatedly asking do I want to use Notepad as my default. I notice each time that Notepad is checked and yet I still get the prompt.


Is there anything else I can do so that I'm no longer prompted? Thanks.








Re: Braille Display Questions

Aman Singer
 

Hi Eleni,

You write:

I'm currently in the process of seeking Pacmate driver. From what I recall, I must search for the Focus one, as it works on both units.

That's so. Try

https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Focus/FocusBlueBrailleDisplayDriver

This does work for the Pacmate as well as the focus. I have used it on Windows 7 and above but see no reason why it would not work on XP, given that the displays have been around for a while.

You write:
I never considered not taking into account opinions on the actual braille of a braille display when reading a review. I thought that would be a core component of the description and experience.

I used to agree with you, but have found that the quality of braille is so subjective that other people's views can actually mislead. Obviously, if there are a few reviews which all mention stuck dots or other reliability issues, those are worth taking into account, particularly if they're recent. Again, if there are many reviews and all point out one defective point in the braille (too weak, too strong, refreshes too slowly, etc.), that too should be taken into account. As to the quality of the braille itself, though, I'm tempted to say that one should really try it for oneself. Your analogizing it to a keyboard is perfectly reasonable. This is something only the end-user can judge. Keep in mind also, if you will, that some people don't have a good basis for comparison. There's a reason sighted people think narrator is a good screen reader, for example. They are not familiar with the state-of-the-art, and therefore will think anything works well because, just for example, it talks. I grant that the perfect is the enemy of the good, but in another way, the mediocre can be the enemy of the good, too.

You write:

That is, even if I write something using Greek braile, if I saved it and then tried to convert it to txt or rtf and use it with my computer, it wouldn't work correctly.

That's true, but brf files are just text with the braille symbols represented in them. You can, if you wish, open the file in notepad and read it on the same or another display, though you will not hear it represented properly in speech and though it will not be properly displayed for a sighted user. This applies even if the braille display does not natively support
the language. Obviously, if the display does support the language and its braille tables, it will allow you to have the files brought into the displays format of choice and, when they are saved, save the files in the mainstream format. If that's the case, you can read the files with speech and send them to sighted users.
HTH,
Aman


Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:44 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

To Aman Singer:"
I'm currently in the process of seeking Pacmate driver. From what I recall, I must search for the Focus one, as it works on both units.

No, I definitely wasn't being sarcastic with relation to his and him.
I am a grammar prescriptivist and am against political correctness and the language it creates. So this made me smile.

Yes, I would consider the Pacmate to be an extra, but quite an interesting one. I haven't used JFW since 4.5.

I always make sure that everything I buy on Ebay has been tested, is working, and includes a return policy. There was one exception, but the seller was extremely honest and specifically said that, due to the age of the item, it might not work correctly, even though it was never opened.

I never considered not taking into account opinions on the actual braille of a braille display when reading a review. I thought that would be a core component of the description and experience. But I have only read a few such reviews in my life, since this is the first time I considered buyin a braille display. Almost everything else that I own is mainstream or cheap and simple enough that I could read the description on the website and know whether i wanted it or not.
But I suppose it's like a keyboard. Everyone has his own opinion on the matter.

I don't use bluetooth on anything, but it definitely explains the extra expense. Plus, the one I saw was a 40-cell display, which always cost more.

To Josh Kennedy:
I have heard negative things about the Orbit, so am a bit hesitant to use it. As for the notetaker, it cannot save to the proper braille code if it's not installed on the device. That is, even if I write something using Greek braile, if I saved it and then tried to convert it to txt or rtf and use it with my computer, it wouldn't work correctly. Likewise, it probably couldn't read my files on my thumb drive. But that doesn't really matter, as I will mainly be using such a display with NVDA. I am glad that the issues with the Braille Me have been resolved. As for the person I mentioned, he is not my friend. This was from a review that I read.

To Victor:
Has your focus always had this issue or is it recent? I hope I don't have the same issues with the Pacmate. I do remember that, sometimes, the dots on my Braille Lite 2000 would stick up and I had to run my finger across them, but that wasn't a serious issue. I can't ever recall that happening with my BrailleNote. Personally, I wouldn't mind 40 cells, though I would prefer them to be in two lines, not one.
It is easier to carry a smaller device.

To Chris G:
Thank you for the link. I am interested in hearing the podcast as well.

On 16/11/2018, Chris G <chris@magiccastle.online> wrote:
Hi Don,
Here is a link to the podcast in question.

https://www.mysticaccess.com/j04p


----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
*From:* Donald L. Roberts
*Sent:* Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:59 PM EST
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions


Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
Thanks.
Don Roberts

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i
listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which
demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to
own, along with the orbit20.




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Re: Setting Default Issue

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,
This is a known issue, and Microsoft says a fix is coming in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lynn White
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting Default Issue

I just got the latest Windows 10 upgrade. For whatever reason, some of my default programs got changed which I managed to change back without any issues.


However, I use cue files in Notepad. I told Windows that I want to use Notepad as my default app and checked. But, each time I open a cue file, I get the question repeatedly asking do I want to use Notepad as my default. I notice each time that Notepad is checked and yet I still get the prompt.


Is there anything else I can do so that I'm no longer prompted? Thanks.


Setting Default Issue

Lynn White
 

I just got the latest Windows 10 upgrade.  For whatever reason, some of my default programs got changed which I managed to change back without any issues.


However, I use cue files in Notepad.  I told Windows that I want to use Notepad as my default app and checked.  But, each time I open a cue file, I get the question repeatedly asking do I want to use Notepad as my default.  I notice each time that Notepad is checked and yet I still get the prompt.


Is there anything else I can do so that I'm no longer prompted? Thanks.


Re: amerzon ehco

Lynn White
 

It can definitely be done without eyes.  I've done several.

On 11/17/2018 1:57 AM, A.Mac via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all, i took the leap and bought a amerzon ehco 2 from amerzon on there  black friday deal, i.e it was £35 cheaper.

my question is, i know that you have to down load the alexa app to your phone to set up your ehco , but in the app do you have to put in your  wi-fi, and can it all be set up with siri ok or do you need sited help.


to eleni about greek language and braille displays

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi eleni and all,

I just used google translate to translate English text into greek just to test out the braille. I then connected my orbit reader20 and set NVDA to greek output and input braille tables. I put the cursor on the line with the greek text that was translated. I do not understand greek, but from what I read on the orbit20 it seems like the orbit20 shows greek 100% perfectly! It shows all the macron and other special greek braille symbols! For some reason before some letters it put a dot5, but maybe that is how greek braille works? Not sure. And sometimes I guess there is a greek letter represented by dots 3-4-5, and another greek letter was shown with dots 2-4-6. I wish NVDA had auto language switching for braille so when on a website and if its tagged correctly, the braille language will automatically switch when reading Multilanguage text. And again, if you install math player and read math ml text, it shows it to you in nemeth math braille on a braille display.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Braille Display Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

to eleni... in its early days the orbit did have some issues. these days it works great. if you buy one I bet you'll like it a lot and it'll read everything you want to read with it. and if you get one with issues, american printing house will replace it for free if you call them and give your serial number, return it, they replace it for free. 


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

yes you can rename a file. hit dot7 to go back into the file manager, find the file with arrow keys, press space with r to rename, space with d to delete, space p for protect, space m for mark, or unmark. marking lets you delete multiple files. note folders must be empty to delete them. marking also lets you copy cut and paste multiple files. space c, space x and space v for copy cut and paste. 


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

the orbit will read anything even files with unreadable content it'll open them, no guarantee there will be readable text in them though. but basically the orbit20 only does its best with .txt and .brf and .brl files. 


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

bookshare books can be audio books if you wish them to be. if you set your download bookshare preference to audio, then you will get audio. if you set them to word docx then you get a word docx file. like if i download a spanish textbook, i would get it in word docx format, and then use send to braille set to the spanish table and translate it to braille that way. but for english language books, i just set bookshare to give me a grade2 brf file and it does it and zips it up for me. bookshare will give you books several different ways all depending on how your download preferences are set on the bookshare website inside your account. 

josh


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

oh and i also use my orbit20 to stand up in front of the congregation in church, at the microphone, and i read the church readings off of the orbit20 on some sundays. nobody minds the refreshing noise of the orbit in the quietness of the church at all. 

josh


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

I used my orbit last night connected to my computer to read some wikipedia articles in braille. and then I installed the free math player program and tried out the freedom scientific math ml examples website. and it was so cool that the orbit reader showed me the math in nemeth braille! now my question is this. is there a way for blind people to make math-ml content, in an accessible way, in other words for us to make our own math-ml content for printing or sending to a teacher? 
and it did not matter if my braille tables for NVDA were set to grade2 ueb, it still showed me nemeth math braille. 
Josh


Re: amerzon ehco

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


You can also use the website alexa.amazon.com, log in with your Amazon account credentials and set up any echo device from there. This is unlike the Google Home which requires a smart phone app.

On 11/17/2018 2:57 AM, A.Mac via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all, i took the leap and bought a amerzon ehco 2 from amerzon on there  black friday deal, i.e it was £35 cheaper.

my question is, i know that you have to down load the alexa app to your phone to set up your ehco , but in the app do you have to put in your  wi-fi, and can it all be set up with siri ok or do you need sited help.

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Re: Length of a white cane?

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

I agree! I have been told my some folks that my cane is to short or at least I am not extending it far enough since I use a telescoping cane but I think one should use a cane that they are comfortable with not use one that is determined by one's heighth or whatever.  I honestly believe that it is and should be a matter of personal preference.  Just my opinion for whatever that is worth these days<SMILE!>  Have A Great Day! de

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On 16-Nov-18 23:30, Penny Golden wrote:

and I like a really pretty short cane.  The chin stuff makes me very uncomfortable.  I always extend my arm pretty far, and I like my cane, oh, about up to my waist.  I know I'm a hazzard, but i'm 71. so maybe not so much as one would think.

Penny.

Pam, you got snow yesterday; are you in New York?  There the snow was a surprise; they were talking about it on our radio station here in Omaha. Well, the station is in Omaha; i'm further west.



On 11/16/2018 7:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
 

Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

 

She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

 

Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

 

Thanks very much for any advice!

 

Sincerely, Vicky

 


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how to make a hot key with jaws

Lorena Pennington
 

using windows 7 jaws 2018 just updated to the latest 2018thanks much


Changing the Date of a BARD Magazine

Evan Reese
 

Hey Guys, I posted this to the BARD Talk list, but got no responses. Perhaps someone here might know the answer to this.
I just picked up the latest issue of the Economist magazine. Now, on BARD it says
November 17 to November 26. So I downloaded the magazine and put it on my Book Sense.
When I played it, the narrator of the magazine said November 17 to November 23, 2018, which is what you would
expect, since it’s a weekly magazine.
But whenever I hit the 0 button to check the time used and the time remaining of the magazine on my Book Sense, it says November 17, to November 26.
Is there any way to fix that? Do any of you know where my Book Sense is getting that
wrong date? Is it reading one of the Daisy files in the folder of the magazine? Can
I fix it?
Thanks much.
Evan


Re: Length of a white cane?

Gene
 

That's good that you clarified.  Unless you are a very slow walker, I consider a cane that short to be almost useless.  Even with my cane length that is a little above my armpit, a little below my chin, if I walk rather quickly, I need a quick reaction time to avoid certain obstacles and unexpected changes such as unexpected down stairs or a pit from construction. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?

I was meaning that my preference for a short cane makes me dangerous to myself. Sorry.

I agree with what you say about the use of the cane. and my folding canes are rarely folded.   Best, Pen



On 11/17/2018 6:24 AM, Gene wrote:
Thinking that using a cane makes you dangerous to others is a bad way to look at it.  People have a responsibility to be aware of their surroundings.  Of course, you should be alert as well and if you hear someone coming, you should do your part to be out of their way.  But if someone isn't paying attention and doesn't see your cane, which is designed to be seen, it's very visible, that's their fault. 
 
It may be that if you really go overboard and get a ridiculously long cane, maybe taller than you are, that may make you too much of a hazard, but I don't think its at all unreasonable to use a proper cane for your needs.  And it isn't a blind person's responsibility to take on the responsibility of others.  Sighted people can see.  Like it or not, that makes things easier for them.  My heart doesn't bleed for the negligently careless sighted person who doesn't bother to know what is around them and canes are designed to be very visible.  I haven't thought about this until now, but it may be a valid argument that blind cane users should not use canes without reflective tape on them both for their own safety and that of others, to make the cane more visible.  Canes have reflective tape.  What else do careless people want--a siren attached?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
At 11:30 PM 11/16/2018, Penny Golden, wrote:

and I like a really pretty short cane.  The chin stuff makes me very uncomfortable.  I always extend my arm pretty far, and I like my cane, oh, about up to my waist.  I know I'm a hazzard, but i'm 71. so maybe not so much as one would think.

Penny.

Pam, you got snow yesterday; are you in New York?  There the snow was a surprise; they were talking about it on our radio station here in Omaha. Well, the station is in Omaha; i'm further west.



On 11/16/2018 7:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
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From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
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Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

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She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

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Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

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Thanks very much for any advice!

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Sincerely, Vicky

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