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Re: Questions and Observations Regarding JAWS 2019 and Outlook 2016/365

Gene
 

It might be a good choice to use NVDA with Thunderbird.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Questions and Observations Regarding JAWS 2019 and Outlook 2016/365

Hello. To provide some context I'm using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 Pro machine, 64-bit, with 8 gigs of RAM. According to the System Information app the processor is AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5400B, 2800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
I admit this isn't the fastest machine out there but it's served me well for many years.

I've recently begun using JAWS 2019. I've been a Thunderbird user for about nine years and, in general, it works well on this machine. However, JAWS has just enough issues with it that I considered switching to Outlook. First, I sometimes hear "not selected" as I delete messages and focus moves to the next message. I also find it very annoying that it places the subject of the message on the first line of the message, just as it does when placing the title text on the first line of a Web page. At other times, navigating the list of folders does not report the folder name which has focus, although this issue is intermittent. The "not selected" announcement is also intermittent. Basically, the Thunderbird scripts really need to be updated.

My version of Outlook is 2016 via Office 365.

Anyway, after trying Outlook 2016 I have the following questions and observations.


1. Where is the folder tree view that I'm used to with older versions of Outlook? From the message list I thought it would gain focus if I press shift-tab but this does not happen. I have enabled it in View settings unless there is something that I've missed.

2. It's probably my machine but performance when opening a message is very slow. I have ensured that preview pane and message reading pane are disabled. While I have message reading set to automatic in Quick Settings it sometimes just reads the sender's name, followed by "button" whenever I open a message. I believe I may have fixed this by setting the reading to not use the virtual cursor for read-only messages, as this has slightly improved the performance but I am wondering if others have experienced this. While I do not intend to start a JAWS vs NVDA battle I will say that the performance with NVDA and Outlook is somewhat better than what I'm seeing with JAWS.



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Re: Microsoft does it again

heather albright
 

So how does one block updates? I am running the home version of 10 and still running 1803! I do not need any blue screens! Thanks Heather

 

 

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From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

 

Trouble with that statement is you don't always get to say when those updates are applied.

 

On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:

I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why. 

I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10. 

 

Gene

 


Questions and Observations Regarding JAWS 2019 and Outlook 2016/365

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello. To provide some context I'm using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 Pro machine, 64-bit, with 8 gigs of RAM. According to the System Information app the processor is AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5400B, 2800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
I admit this isn't the fastest machine out there but it's served me well for many years.

I've recently begun using JAWS 2019. I've been a Thunderbird user for about nine years and, in general, it works well on this machine. However, JAWS has just enough issues with it that I considered switching to Outlook. First, I sometimes hear "not selected" as I delete messages and focus moves to the next message. I also find it very annoying that it places the subject of the message on the first line of the message, just as it does when placing the title text on the first line of a Web page. At other times, navigating the list of folders does not report the folder name which has focus, although this issue is intermittent. The "not selected" announcement is also intermittent. Basically, the Thunderbird scripts really need to be updated.

My version of Outlook is 2016 via Office 365.

Anyway, after trying Outlook 2016 I have the following questions and observations.


1. Where is the folder tree view that I'm used to with older versions of Outlook? From the message list I thought it would gain focus if I press shift-tab but this does not happen. I have enabled it in View settings unless there is something that I've missed.

2. It's probably my machine but performance when opening a message is very slow. I have ensured that preview pane and message reading pane are disabled. While I have message reading set to automatic in Quick Settings it sometimes just reads the sender's name, followed by "button" whenever I open a message. I believe I may have fixed this by setting the reading to not use the virtual cursor for read-only messages, as this has slightly improved the performance but I am wondering if others have experienced this. While I do not intend to start a JAWS vs NVDA battle I will say that the performance with NVDA and Outlook is somewhat better than what I'm seeing with JAWS.



--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Registering Kindle for PC software with Jaws or NVDA seems inaccessible

ann
 

Hi folks,


Does anyone have any tips for registering a new install of Kindle for PC, on a Windows10 machine running latest Jaws or NVDA? the screen seems totally inaccessible, the only thing I can find is the combo box that allows me to select which Amazon site to use.


Thanks,

~Ann


iTunes 12.9.2 Has Fixed Column Browser Issue with JAWS.

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi All

 

For those of us who use iTunes with 12.9.2 and JAWS 2019, we can now celebrate! The Column Browser works again.

 

Debbie


Re: Microsoft does it again

Lenron
 

Guess I have been lucky because I have no issues here.

On 12/8/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I was being facetious.  But one thing about DOS, you almost never heard
it crashing your system to the point where technicians had to
reformat/reinstall at a hefty price of $100 or more.


On 12/8/2018 11:22 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Sheesh, another dark-ager.


On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as
possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need
it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10
unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft
until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If
Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again,
this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is
one more reason why.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d


I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found
with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this
caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used
with Windows 10.
Gene
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




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Re: Microsoft does it again

Ron Canazzi
 

I was being facetious.  But one thing about DOS, you almost never heard it crashing your system to the point where technicians had to reformat/reinstall at a hefty price of $100 or more.

On 12/8/2018 11:22 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Sheesh, another dark-ager.


On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10 unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10.
Gene
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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Kindle Fire & BARD

Nancy Hill
 

Hi,


A friend has a 7" Fire.    When a BARD book is downloaded and is reading the book, the BARD book seems to skip words quite noticeably, so much as to have the book taken off.


Has anyone had this problem and if so, how can the skipping  be 'removed'?


Many thanks,

Nancy


Re: defering win10 updates

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi David,
 
If you are running Windows 10 Professional go to Settings > Updates and Security and under the Updates tab go to Advanced.
Take care.  Go Rams!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 12:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] defering win10 updates

Hello,

I've heard onlist of methods to defer win10 updates. I've got several
machines, two pro, and one maybe 2 home boxes all running 1809 I
believe.

Help welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.



defering win10 updates

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I've heard onlist of methods to defer win10 updates. I've got several
machines, two pro, and one maybe 2 home boxes all running 1809 I
believe.

Help welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Microsoft does it again

Gene
 

It will be supported for about a year. 
 
But, despite what you hear constantly, I see no reason to have to update under certain conditions until you can't do what you want for some reason.  I still use XP, though I have a Windows 7 machine and for certain things, I would use it online and not an XP machine.  I don't use an XP machine for any uses where I deal with personal information such as my Social Security number, my birthday, banking online, or anything else that might be used for identity or credit card theft.
I protect myself online.  I block scripts except on sites where they are necessary.  I keep programs updated such as Flash.
 
I follow the usual safety rules such as not opening attachments unless I know they are safe.  I suspect I am safer onlie than a lot of people using Windows 10 who don't follow good precautions.  There are things I have to use Windows 7 for such as Drop Box.  Also, XP doesn't stream HTML5 audio properly. 
 
But my point is that if you are careful, I believe you can use old versions of Windows after support ends reasonably safely if you take precautions.  I wouldn't be without a Windows 7 machine but I do most of my activities using XP.
 
Others are free to disagree.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn White
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

And let's not forget that Microsoft is not going to support Windows 7
for much longer.

On 12/8/2018 10:22 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Sheesh, another dark-ager.
>
>
> On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>
>> Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as
>>> possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need
>>> it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10
>>> unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft
>>>> until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If
>>>> Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again,
>>>> this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is
>>>> one more reason why.
>>>> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found
>>>> with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this
>>>> caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used
>>>> with Windows 10.
>>>> Gene
>> --
>> They As
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: Microsoft does it again

Gene
 

Please read the articles quoted below the one you replied to or look for the one from me that started the thread.  It is the first one from the bottom.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

With All these messages I haven't seen what Microsoft has done again.  Has an update been bad since the first 1809 update?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

Sheesh, another dark-ager.


On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>
> Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.
>
>
> On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as
>> possible. If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need
>> it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10
>> unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.
>>
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft
>>> until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10. If
>>> Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this
>>> caution may not be necessary but I think it is now. This is one
>>> more reason why.
>>> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
>>> I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found
>>> with updates but others may know. I'm also not sure if this caution
>>> should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with
>>> Windows 10.
>>> Gene
> --
> They As
>



Re: Microsoft does it again

Lynn White
 

And let's not forget that Microsoft is not going to support Windows 7 for much longer.

On 12/8/2018 10:22 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Sheesh, another dark-ager.


On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10 unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10.
Gene
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Re: Microsoft does it again

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


With All these messages I haven't seen what Microsoft has done again.  Has an update been bad since the first 1809 update?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

Sheesh, another dark-ager.


On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>
> Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.
>
>
> On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as
>> possible. If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need
>> it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10
>> unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.
>>
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft
>>> until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10. If
>>> Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this
>>> caution may not be necessary but I think it is now. This is one
>>> more reason why.
>>> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
>>> I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found
>>> with updates but others may know. I'm also not sure if this caution
>>> should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with
>>> Windows 10.
>>> Gene
> --
> They As
>



accessibility of amazon app for configuration

David Mehler
 

Hello,

This is kind of a follow up curiousity to the question I asked about
the amazon dot 3rd gen last week. Apparently it's coming today. And
i'm going to need to configure it, which apparently that's done
through the app, anyone who has one i'd appreciate any hints, is this
app accessible this would be on a computer, with both jaws and NVDA,
or on an android phone with talkback?

Things I'm going to want to do, ask sports scores and the weather,
listen to sports broadcasts, audible books, ihart radio, pandora, and
control at least one smart switch which will turn the coffee pot on
and off.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Microsoft does it again

Gene
 

It depends what programs you use and, in part, on the precautions you take and on how you use your computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

You can't live in the dark ages forever. At some point,some program on which you rely for your daily online or computational existence will cease to function in Windows 7, or some bit of nastiness will get past your Windows 7-only defenses, and you'll wind up being asimilated into the Windows 10 collective. It happened to me in early 2017. I couldn't go back if I wanted to any more. Too many programs I require are now being supported and actively developed for Windows 10 only, and some just plain don't function correctly, if at all, on Windows 7 any more.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10 unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why. 
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10. 
 
Gene


Re: Microsoft does it again

Steve Matzura
 

Sheesh, another dark-ager.

On 12/8/2018 8:53 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Oh for the good old days of DOS 6.22.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10 unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/518921/another-windows-update-removed-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-12-08-a-d
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10.
Gene
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Re: Microsoft does it again

Gene
 

There are ways to delay them even for home users.  I won't go into them because others know a lot more about the subject. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Microsoft does it again

Trouble with that statement is you don't always get to say when those updates are applied.


On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why. 
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10. 
 
Gene


Re: Microsoft does it again

Steve Matzura
 

You can't live in the dark ages forever. At some point,some program on which you rely for your daily online or computational existence will cease to function in Windows 7, or some bit of nastiness will get past your Windows 7-only defenses, and you'll wind up being asimilated into the Windows 10 collective. It happened to me in early 2017. I couldn't go back if I wanted to any more. Too many programs I require are now being supported and actively developed for Windows 10 only, and some just plain don't function correctly, if at all, on Windows 7 any more.


On 12/8/2018 6:22 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Yet another reason to avoid updating to Windows 10 as long as possible.  If your Windows 7 machine still does everything you need it to do, there is really no good reason to upgrade to Windows 10 unless your the type who enjoys aggravation.


Gerald



On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why. 
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10. 
 
Gene
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Re: Microsoft does it again

Steve Matzura
 

Trouble with that statement is you don't always get to say when those updates are applied.


On 12/8/2018 5:25 AM, Gene wrote:
I really don't think people should apply any updates from Microsoft until a few days or maybe a week later if using Windows 10.  If Microsoft becomes reliable in the quality of its updates again, this caution may not be necessary but I think it is now.  This is one more reason why. 
I'm not sure where you can check to see if problems have been found with updates but others may know.  I'm also not sure if this caution should extend to all versions of Windows or just be used with Windows 10. 
 
Gene
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