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Re: Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

joanne
 

Hi Ann. I actually wish I had a trainer who could show me in-depth how to use ribbons. The menus just look so hard to understand, and then I'll hear things like upper ribbon and lower ribbon, etc. and I feel lost and not sure which column I need. I'm just one of those who has always used the list views and traditional menus, and I don't feel like this has been explained thoroughly to me. You're a good instructor, I know, because your posts are so thoughtful and helpful. You're most likely doing a great job explaining them to your clients. I just haven't really hit on an explanation that makes sense. I even use the old windows live mail because the newer ones had ribbons and it looked so hard to navigate.

That's really it. Maybe it's some kind of visual thing I can't wrap my mind around. But I'm open and have pretty much taught myself computer. If anyone can explain these things and even why it had to be changed to ribbons in the first place, I'll try them.




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 11:35 AM
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Hi all,

I'm just curious. What is it about ribbons you don't understand? I'm asking as a trainer because I may need to help somebody some day who doesn't understand ribbons. I want to know how to minimize the misunderstanding. I want to know how to explain ribbons so that anyone can understand. Why don't you understand them? I'm asking as a serious question.

As a person who is blind, the appearance of the ribbons can't be what's throwing you. To a screen reader they just sound like menus except that you navigate them in a different way.

I'm not saying that you must use ribbons, I'm just interested in why you don't like or understand them. Jaws has virtual ribbons if you find that helpful as well, though I'd really like to understand your problem. Would you be willing to help a trainer to understand your thinking?

Ann P.



Original message:
I've never understood ribbons and there are a couple free ribbon disablers
online. I think the one I have is Ribbon Disabler but not sure if that's the
exact name. But they're available for those of us who understand the
traditional menus.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 7:00 AM
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
Hi all,
Bill, just use f12 when done writing your file and save it in .txt format.
F12 brings you to your good, old, familiar save-as dialog. Tab once to
get to the combo box for your file formats. Wordpad's default is .rtf,
which is also fine and will be readable by any computer.
As for the ribbons, my best advice is to bite the bullet and learn to use
them. It's not hard at all if you remember that the ribbons are merely
the combination of the menu bar and the toolbars in Word. Moreover, there
are keyboard commands for most ribbon options. In addition, all the
keyboard commands that you know and love like ctrl-s and so on still work,
even in win10.
It's not arcane, unlearnable, or incomprehensible. It's just a new menu.
They just packaged the same old stuff in a different box.
Ann P.
Original message:
I would like to write a small .txt file for my list members. Help!
Help the ribbon! I want Wordpad the .txt format.
Thanks.
Please join me at

MemoriesOfDaysGoneBy+subscribe@groups.io

Bill R Johnson


--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



Re: i phone questions

Curtis Delzer
 

I just hold down the home button and after the tone I just say "call Carolyn." :)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/31/2019 3:21 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
Curtis, do you just unlock your screen and say call, or do
you push the Siri button with her turned off?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions

Thank you Curtis.

You gave me the answer to one of my first questions.

I can place a call with a voice command without using siri.


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: March-31-19 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions


yes you can just say call, "contact name" or number area
code plus number or even within your own area code without
siri.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/30/2019 7:41 AM, Monte Single wrote:

IK,



I'll state the question again



Can I make a call on the I phone using my voice
without using Siri.

Can I just tell the phone to call a numberSSS



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: March-30-19 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



If you have a WiFi connection then you can use it
through the WiFi.

----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single
<mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



Well, No. I am more interested in using the
phone as a cell phone and not a smart phone. I don't want
to pay for a data pack which I would hardly ever want to
use.

I just do not like the idea of having to
be on line to use a phone.

Yes, I have a basic cell phone but a smart
phone may have some additional features I can use without
having to have a data package.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: March-30-19 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



well;

if your thinking of getting a new phone, and
want to use Siri, you may want to lern how to spell the
name.



it's not, S e r i, it's, S I r i.

just like yu would want folks to spell your
name correctly.





The impossible is the untried, Never
under estimate the power of a dream.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
<mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] i phone questions



As usual, I'm thinking about getting a
new phone; well, a new used phone.

Is it true that in order to dictate a text
message, I have to be online with Seri?

Also can I use voice commands to make calls
without being online with Seri?

I'm thinking about getting an I phone 6 or
7.

Thanks,

Monte





pay pal alternatives?

joanne
 

My friend is locked out of her pay pal account, and we actually have been wanting to find alternatives anyway. Using jaws and windows 7, can someone recommend a pretty straightforward alternative?
 
Thanks.


Re: Windows Twitter App Options

 

TWBlue is a good option.
Since I've been out of Twitter for a while now, I don't know if it's still being developed. I hope so.
You may tri it. It's free, though you can donate if you want.
https://twblue.es

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 01/04/2019 14:37, Joe Orozco disse:

Hi, on the PC, what accessible Twitter apps are folks using? I used to
use Chicken Nugget but understand the developers may have abandoned
work on it. Are there any other similar alternatives that allow one to
use virtual keyboards from anywhere in the Windows environment?

Thanks in advance,

Joe






Windows Twitter App Options

Joe Orozco
 

Hi, on the PC, what accessible Twitter apps are folks using? I used to
use Chicken Nugget but understand the developers may have abandoned
work on it. Are there any other similar alternatives that allow one to
use virtual keyboards from anywhere in the Windows environment?

Thanks in advance,

Joe


Re: Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Janet
 

Hi Ann,
I'm just wondering who you are talking to in this message?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:31 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Hi all,

Well now, either you haven't been blind long or some idiot has
convinced you that exploring an item with your hands is wrong.
Probably given you some nonsense about not touching things because
people don't do that. How the Hell are you supposed to learn about
your world if you don't explore it with your hands, both hands. Now,
I'm not advocating far out stuff like feeling people's faces, but I
most certainly am advocating for exploring an object or your
environment thoroughly with your hands. Start at the top and work
down. Don't be afraid to get dusty or dirty. Sometimes it can be
gross, but someone's eyes see those same things. Unless you live in a
desert, you can always wash your hands. No touching of hot things or
getting in the way of power tools, please. <smiling>

The next time you use your DTBM, feel the entire top of it. The
seal is right there. It's round, and it's raised. There's a design in
the center and lettering around the edges. You'll find it, you can't miss it.

The same seal is on the cases too.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

The person, if it’s somebody selling their deceased relative’s player, probably doesn’t even know what it was, and what it will or will not play.  They just want to get some money for something they don’t want.  Pam.
 

From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone
 
Why would anyone want to buy one. If you are not a NLS patron, the only thing you could use them for would be to play MP3's. ----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone
 
It is a shame that anyone selling these machines can't be stopped. I am so
tired of hearing about items which are provided to disabled persons being
sold by same. They should be donated to others who have a need for them and
can't afford to buy them. Too many groups who purchase the items at a
discounted price or even get them via some type of government grant
encourage this practice and even tell the recipients to keep the items.
JMO

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

I sent my NLS player back after getting my Victor Stream
reader. Anyone selling it is selling stolen federal
property.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart
Phone

Hi Ann and All,
NLS probably isn't prosecuting  those  because they might
not be able to afford it.  Although, as long as I've had a
NLS player, I never knew there was a big fat seal on the
player, but then again, I never looked for one.  I don't
know anything about the cartridge cases either, as I just
download the books on to my pc and unzip them, and move them
to a flash drive, and insert that in to my NLS player.  I'm
not whining either, just being honest.  Although, I would
never ever consider selling or even barrowing my NLS player
to anyone, as I just love the NLS player, and I'm also
greatful I have one.  Matter of fact, I was heart sick when
the batteries died on my player, and I didn't have the time
to take it in for another replacement for three weeks, but
when I did get my replacement, I was so happy!  I can't even
imagine someone who would even think about selling the NLS
player either. NLS should probably have face id on the
player, I would think that might make it a little more
difficult for people to sell it!
So, to those who might be selling the NLS players stop it,
and be decent person.  If I ever knew or heard of someone
selling the player, you can bet that would sure piss me off
big time, and no doubt, I would be one person who would sure
report them for that!
Just my personal opinion for what it is worth.
Janet
.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 6:25 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart
Phone

Hi all,

I don't know why NLS isn't prosecuting these idiots!  Your
NLS player
is the property of the U.S. Government.  It has a big, fat
seal on it
that tells you that.  It's the size of a silver dollar and
is tactilely
raised so there's no way a person who is blind can whine
that they
didn't know it has a seal on it.  BTW, the cartridge cases
also have
the seal on them.

You can't sell property that doesn't belong to you.  NLS is
really lax
about following up on this, but if they did, those people
who are
selling the players on ebay would be fined and might spend
time in jail
for petty theft.

If you no longer need your NLS player, be it a cassette
player, a
record player or a digital player, you're supposed to send
the machine
back to NLS.  You're not supposed to sell it, it isn't
yours!

Some years ago, I had the pleasure of belonging to a group
of people
who set down one of these yahoos who tried to sell somebody
a broken
cassette player from NLS.  We got her money back, and we
found out that
the player originally belonged to a regional library in AL.
They had
full records on it, who it had been lent to and so on.  We
returned the
broken player to them.

Oh, yes, they may not prosecute you, but they keep accurate
records of
all their equipment.  Each player has a serial number,
folks, that
number is listed with your regional library, and may, for
all I know,
be forwarded to some database at the Library of Congress.
Best treat
your NLS equipment with care, and send it back to them if
you don't
need it any more.

Ann P.

Original message:
> Well, Right or Wrong, I have seen the NLS Players for sale
on Ebay for
> around $50.


> I would guess those who are selling them have gotten them
when Grandpa
> dies, and all of Grandpa's stuff no body wants gets taken
to the Thrift
> Store, who puts some of it on Ebay.


> But, if you are looking for a player, for little money.




>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."













Re: Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


That is under settings, missalanious. I believe it is checked by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon S
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Hi, if you are using Jaws in the newer versions you have a setting which turns on menus. I’m not totally sure where it is but it is something about virtual menus. I have this on my windows 10 machine but I see no reason why it shouldn’t work on windows 7. Once this is turned on you have the old menu structure. I can’t remember which Jaws this started in.

 

Hope this helps.

From Shaz.

Canberra, Australia.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

 

Yes, but it may be that when you use Wordpad and save in text format, soft returns for line breaks are saved as hard returns, thereby having the line length you want.  I haven't played with this to any extent but I suspect that happens.  If you write with Notepad, there are no line lengths except what you create manually by pressing hard returns.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 5:42 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

 

 

Notepad still uses the classic menu structure in Windows 7, and documents are saved as .txt files by default.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 4/1/2019 2:33 AM, Gene wrote:

The version of Wordpad does have a ribbon that comes with Windows 7.  I'm not sure if this will do what you want but ribbon programs have one menu.  Execute alt f a, as you do in the olde versions of Wordpad and you will be in a save as dialog.  You can tab once and use the combo box to have the document saved as a text file.

 

I've almost never used save as in the new Wordpad, but I believe it is just about identical to the old save as dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 12:28 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

 

Quite confused, if you are talking about windows7, it does not have a ribbon.

Heather

 

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 

From: Bill and Marie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 12:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

 

I would like to write a small .txt file for my list members.  Help!

Help the  ribbon!  I want Wordpad the .txt format.

  Thanks.

Please join me at

 

 

MemoriesOfDaysGoneBy+subscribe@groups.io

 

 

Bill R Johnson

 

 

 


Re: Need suggestion for a bag to carry all my tech

Pamela Dominguez
 

I don’t use them because I’m afraid that somebody would get behind me and unzip it.  The only ones I have used are the ones on wheels that I can keep beside me, and move quickly if I feel something.  Pam.
 

Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Need suggestion for a bag to carry all my tech
 

Backpack!!!All the way!!

  I have used a backpack, of one  kind or another, almost all my life and that’s getting’ real close to seventy.

You can carry just about anything in them;

Books, beer, groceries, laundry,  gifts and of course laptops, tablets, gps devices, and fortunately, not your mother-in-law.

The backpack fits right on your shoulders or the back of your wheelchair and is totally out of the way.

And best of all, your hands are free for other thins like canes other hands you might like to hold and snacks too.

Backpacks come in all shapes, sizes colours and prices.

Go to any department-type store and check out the selection. The quality is directly proportionate to the price. There is a huge selection to choose from.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: March-31-19 5:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Need suggestion for a bag to carry all my tech

 

I have accumulated several tech items that I like to take with me when I go out. I use a cane and don't have enough pockets or hands to carry them. What would be a good type of bag for a man to carry to hold these items. Where could I get such an item?


Re: Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

I always suggest that people keep their players, because they are entitled to have them, and because the other devices cost a lot of money. So, they can use the player some of the time, as to spare the device they spent money on, so that it will last longer. I like the sound of the player, anyway. When I say that, everybody says: "But you can hook the other device up to a speaker!" Well, the player has a good sounding speaker right inside it already. But, that's just me. I can only suggest. (smile) Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

I sent my NLS player back after getting my Victor Stream
reader. Anyone selling it is selling stolen federal
property.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart
Phone

Hi Ann and All,
NLS probably isn't prosecuting those because they might
not be able to afford it. Although, as long as I've had a
NLS player, I never knew there was a big fat seal on the
player, but then again, I never looked for one. I don't
know anything about the cartridge cases either, as I just
download the books on to my pc and unzip them, and move them
to a flash drive, and insert that in to my NLS player. I'm
not whining either, just being honest. Although, I would
never ever consider selling or even barrowing my NLS player
to anyone, as I just love the NLS player, and I'm also
greatful I have one. Matter of fact, I was heart sick when
the batteries died on my player, and I didn't have the time
to take it in for another replacement for three weeks, but
when I did get my replacement, I was so happy! I can't even
imagine someone who would even think about selling the NLS
player either. NLS should probably have face id on the
player, I would think that might make it a little more
difficult for people to sell it!
So, to those who might be selling the NLS players stop it,
and be decent person. If I ever knew or heard of someone
selling the player, you can bet that would sure piss me off
big time, and no doubt, I would be one person who would sure
report them for that!
Just my personal opinion for what it is worth.
Janet
.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 6:25 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart
Phone

Hi all,

I don't know why NLS isn't prosecuting these idiots! Your
NLS player
is the property of the U.S. Government. It has a big, fat
seal on it
that tells you that. It's the size of a silver dollar and
is tactilely
raised so there's no way a person who is blind can whine
that they
didn't know it has a seal on it. BTW, the cartridge cases
also have
the seal on them.

You can't sell property that doesn't belong to you. NLS is
really lax
about following up on this, but if they did, those people
who are
selling the players on ebay would be fined and might spend
time in jail
for petty theft.

If you no longer need your NLS player, be it a cassette
player, a
record player or a digital player, you're supposed to send
the machine
back to NLS. You're not supposed to sell it, it isn't
yours!

Some years ago, I had the pleasure of belonging to a group
of people
who set down one of these yahoos who tried to sell somebody
a broken
cassette player from NLS. We got her money back, and we
found out that
the player originally belonged to a regional library in AL.
They had
full records on it, who it had been lent to and so on. We
returned the
broken player to them.

Oh, yes, they may not prosecute you, but they keep accurate
records of
all their equipment. Each player has a serial number,
folks, that
number is listed with your regional library, and may, for
all I know,
be forwarded to some database at the Library of Congress.
Best treat
your NLS equipment with care, and send it back to them if
you don't
need it any more.

Ann P.

Original message:
Well, Right or Wrong, I have seen the NLS Players for sale
on Ebay for
around $50.

I would guess those who are selling them have gotten them
when Grandpa
dies, and all of Grandpa's stuff no body wants gets taken
to the Thrift
Store, who puts some of it on Ebay.

But, if you are looking for a player, for little money.



--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Need suggestion for a bag to carry all my tech

Pamela Dominguez
 

I don’t like backpacks.  But you can use a shoulderbag, or a tote bag, or even a computer bag.  Now that people carry computers everywhere with them, computer bags of all sorts are available everywhere.  Pam.
 

From: Victor
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Need suggestion for a bag to carry all my tech
 
Good question! Personally, our use a backpack and a fanny pack that attaches to it via zippers. But I would like to know what other suggestions people have.

Victor


On Mar 31, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:

I have accumulated several tech items that I like to take with me when I go out. I use a cane and don't have enough pockets or hands to carry them. What would be a good type of bag for a man to carry to hold these items. Where could I get such an item?


Re: Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, and the other round thing made of metal with the holes in it is the speaker grill. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:31 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Portable NLS players besides a Smart Phone

Hi all,

Well now, either you haven't been blind long or some idiot has
convinced you that exploring an item with your hands is wrong.
Probably given you some nonsense about not touching things because
people don't do that. How the Hell are you supposed to learn about
your world if you don't explore it with your hands, both hands. Now,
I'm not advocating far out stuff like feeling people's faces, but I
most certainly am advocating for exploring an object or your
environment thoroughly with your hands. Start at the top and work
down. Don't be afraid to get dusty or dirty. Sometimes it can be
gross, but someone's eyes see those same things. Unless you live in a
desert, you can always wash your hands. No touching of hot things or
getting in the way of power tools, please. <smiling>

The next time you use your DTBM, feel the entire top of it. The
seal is right there. It's round, and it's raised. There's a design in
the center and lettering around the edges. You'll find it, you can't miss it.

The same seal is on the cases too.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
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How do I upload a file to my list

Bill and Marie Johnson
 

I created a little welcome.txt file and can't seem to upload it. Can somebody give me good instructions on uploadung afiles? Also, what is a hash tag?
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Re: Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I'm just curious. What is it about ribbons you don't understand? I'm asking as a trainer because I may need to help somebody some day who doesn't understand ribbons. I want to know how to minimize the misunderstanding. I want to know how to explain ribbons so that anyone can understand. Why don't you understand them? I'm asking as a serious question.

As a person who is blind, the appearance of the ribbons can't be what's throwing you. To a screen reader they just sound like menus except that you navigate them in a different way.

I'm not saying that you must use ribbons, I'm just interested in why you don't like or understand them. Jaws has virtual ribbons if you find that helpful as well, though I'd really like to understand your problem. Would you be willing to help a trainer to understand your thinking?

Ann P.



Original message:

I've never understood ribbons and there are a couple free ribbon disablers
online. I think the one I have is Ribbon Disabler but not sure if that's the
exact name. But they're available for those of us who understand the
traditional menus.

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From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 7:00 AM
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
Hi all,
Bill, just use f12 when done writing your file and save it in .txt format.
F12 brings you to your good, old, familiar save-as dialog. Tab once to
get to the combo box for your file formats. Wordpad's default is .rtf,
which is also fine and will be readable by any computer.
As for the ribbons, my best advice is to bite the bullet and learn to use
them. It's not hard at all if you remember that the ribbons are merely
the combination of the menu bar and the toolbars in Word. Moreover, there
are keyboard commands for most ribbon options. In addition, all the
keyboard commands that you know and love like ctrl-s and so on still work,
even in win10.
It's not arcane, unlearnable, or incomprehensible. It's just a new menu.
They just packaged the same old stuff in a different box.
Ann P.
Original message:
I would like to write a small .txt file for my list members. Help!
Help the ribbon! I want Wordpad the .txt format.
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Re: Ring doorbell and echo dot. Trying to get two way communication enabled

Holly
 

Hi Shaz:

Yes, got the doorbell installed and we love it. Had to upgrade to the Echo Spot, but then put the old dot in the other room, so I can use it as an intercom to talk to my husband, if I am in the kitchen at my desk.

Holly


Re: Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Gene
 

You don't have the old menu structure.  You have a structure that shows things as menus but not the old structure.  You won't see file, edit, etc.  and the interface is not as efficient as using real ribbons. 
 
I think the main reason people have problems with ribbons is that they aren't taught them properly or don't see good explanatory material.  And this causes a lot of people to spread the impression that ribbons are a terrrible system and are hard to learn.
 
I am presenting, after my signature, a short tutorial I did on ribbons.  Please don't prejudge ribbons until you work with and practice what you learn from this tutorial.
 
Also, I can't find it now, but I saw an article describing in detail why the virtual menus from JAWS are inferior to working with real ribbons.  If I can find it, and a number of Internet searches haven't turned it up, I'll send it in another article.
 
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


Re: Ring doorbell and echo dot. Trying to get two way communication enabled

Sharon S
 

Hi, we got one of these doorbells for my brother for his birthday. The one
he has is motion sensor so if someone comes near the front door they know
about it. Also with his you can buy an extra piece which is a solar panel to
charge it. He and his family went away for the weekend shortly after they
got the doorbell device and they could then tell whenever someone came to
their home door. So they were able to send mum a message about a package
drop off so she could go and get it for them. Also when mum went over to get
the package she then was able to talk to my brother and niece through the
doorbell.

Bye for now.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Ring doorbell and echo dot. Trying to get two way
communication enabled

Hi Chris:

I said six months, cause that is what it said in the info. I am not using
it, so had no practical experience with the battery. Hard wiring it to the
bell is a simple job for someone who knows anything about such things.

Some people keep a spare battery to exchange, but that can be a nuisance if
you have to change it often.


Re: Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?

Bill and Marie Johnson
 

thanks. speaking of email listse, see my signature.

On 4/1/2019 9:23 AM, Sharon S wrote:
Hi, if you are using Jaws in the newer versions you have a setting which turns on menus. I’m not totally sure where it is but it is something about virtual menus. I have this on my windows 10 machine but I see no reason why it shouldn’t work on windows 7. Once this is turned on you have the old menu structure. I can’t remember which Jaws this started in.
Hope this helps.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
Yes, but it may be that when you use Wordpad and save in text format, soft returns for line breaks are saved as hard returns, thereby having the line length you want. I haven't played with this to any extent but I suspect that happens. If you write with Notepad, there are no line lengths except what you create manually by pressing hard returns.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 5:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
Notepad still uses the classic menu structure in Windows 7, and documents are saved as .txt files by default.
Gerald
On 4/1/2019 2:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The version of Wordpad does have a ribbon that comes with Windows 7. I'm not sure if this will do what you want but ribbon programs have one menu. Execute alt f a, as you do in the olde versions of Wordpad and you will be in a save as dialog. You can tab once and use the combo box to have the document saved as a text file.
I've almost never used save as in the new Wordpad, but I believe it is just about identical to the old save as dialog.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
Quite confused, if you are talking about windows7, it does not have a ribbon.
Heather
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Subject: [TechTalk] Can I get rid of the ribbon with Windows 7?
I would like to write a small .txt file for my list members. Help!
Help the ribbon! I want Wordpad the .txt format.
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Re: More Email Lists Please!!

Sharon S
 

If you are a reader of audio books one list you might like to try is:

book_talk-request@freelists.org
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field

It is a pretty low traffic list. We have members from a few different countries.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.


Re: I phone questions

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

What would be the purpose of turning Siri off? If you don't invoke one of the options to activate Siri, it does not do anything and will be there in the background just in case you or someone else needs it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I phone questions

The only thing that I know about this subject of Siri, is that in
settings, you can actually turn Siri off so you don't have to deal with
her. Me personally, she is my personal assistant and I could never do
that. The bottom line is that I think what Monte is saying is that he
doesn't want to use Siri at all and if that's the case, he should just
turn her off. I think you have to go to Siri settings and there is
something in that section. Monte, you could also call Apple
Accessibility and they will be able to show you how to turn Siri off.
This is what I am getting from all of these messages that he doesn't
want voice over or Siri on at all.

Shelly

On 3/31/2019 8:17 PM, janet gross wrote:
Hi Carolyn,
When my phone is locked, I can say hey Siri dial etc., and she does, I can also just press the power button and when Siri comes about, I read out the number I want Siri to call. Although, I do have Siri set to appear even when I have my phone locked.
I've never heard of placing a call without using Siri, unless I go in to my contacts or my favorites, and double tap on the number I want to call. Maybe Curtis can explaine further though.
Janet




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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions

Curtis, do you just unlock your screen and say call, or do
you push the Siri button with her turned off?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions

Thank you Curtis.

You gave me the answer to one of my first questions.

I can place a call with a voice command without using siri.


From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: March-31-19 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions


yes you can just say call, "contact name" or number area
code plus number or even within your own area code without
siri.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/30/2019 7:41 AM, Monte Single wrote:

IK,



I'll state the question again



Can I make a call on the I phone using my voice
without using Siri.

Can I just tell the phone to call a numberSSS



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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: March-30-19 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



If you have a WiFi connection then you can use it
through the WiFi.

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From: Monte Single
<mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:20 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



Well, No. I am more interested in using the
phone as a cell phone and not a smart phone. I don't want
to pay for a data pack which I would hardly ever want to
use.

I just do not like the idea of having to
be on line to use a phone.

Yes, I have a basic cell phone but a smart
phone may have some additional features I can use without
having to have a data package.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: March-30-19 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i phone questions



well;

if your thinking of getting a new phone, and
want to use Siri, you may want to lern how to spell the
name.



it's not, S e r i, it's, S I r i.

just like yu would want folks to spell your
name correctly.





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under estimate the power of a dream.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
<mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] i phone questions



As usual, I'm thinking about getting a
new phone; well, a new used phone.

Is it true that in order to dictate a text
message, I have to be online with Seri?

Also can I use voice commands to make calls
without being online with Seri?

I'm thinking about getting an I phone 6 or
7.

Thanks,

Monte









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