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Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan <vrvaughan63@...>
 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

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Re: the listen factor

Victor
 

I have never accessed this website before, but I have heard about it and it sounds promising! Apparently, they do not yet have an app for iOS or android. It would be nice if they would develop one.

Victor


On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I've been enjoying the TLF web site.

www.thelistenfactor.com

 

I was just hoping if someone could help me understand the odd behavior that I'm experience when trying to listen to the site on channel 1.

When I use safari on the iPhone and on that particular web site all channels work accept for "1". I get a network error.

I've made sure to unplug the modem and then clear cache or what ever the problem could be..

When I access the web site on my desktop computer I have no  problem listening to channel 1.

I'm thinking this is only my problem because I've not heard any one else bring it up.

Any ideas on what I need to clear from the book marks or for safari?

thanks for any info.

 


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

vicky
what would you like to do, select files in a list view?
use shift and down arrow
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Gene
 

I haven't used ITunes.  What happens if you use home then shift end?  Is the current line selected?  If you want to select more than one line, try home then shift end to select the current line.  Then try shift down arrow.  Does that select the next line?  If so, you should now have two lines selected.  You should then be able to continue to use shift down arrow. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 4:12 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan <vrvaughan63@...>
 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Editing with NVDA

Gene
 

The numpad isn't used for that purpose in NVDA.  The commands being discussed don't move by word.  They move to the next or previous object, that is insert right arrow moves to the next object and insert left arrow moves to the previous object.  If that ever results in moving by word in a program interface, it is coincidental and it doesn't in word processor edit fields.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Editing with NVDA

the same way for NVDA or use control right or left arrow
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
To: main
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:31 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Editing with NVDA

I am primarily a Jaws user but do use NVDA as an occasional backup. When in a message body, word or text document, etc. with Jaws, you can hold down the Jaws key and tab the right or left arrows to move by word rather that by character. Is there any similar method of doing this in NVDA?Thanks
 


Re: People with .rr.com addresses not getting any of my emails.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Would you want me to send a message to you or make some kind
of test of your own? Thanks for any help. It's kind of a
stumbling block.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 3:42 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] People with .rr.com addresses not
getting any of my emails.

Hi Carolyn, maybe they need to add you to a safe sender's
email address. That would be my guess. I don't use.RRR,
however my parents have one. And I can happy send a test
there to see what might be going on. I love my TWC.com
address because it has never blocked any of your emails.
On Jun 8, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold
<4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

Question: Why is it that people with .rr.com addresses are
not getting
my emails? Most do, if I will go to Gmail's net site,
where JAWS seems
to be crippled, but one or two, even from over there do
not. It is a
royal pain x 99 squared to say the least. I don't cope
with
unnecessary problems well, as I am a fix it or live with
it person. I
am asking, since I hope I don't have to live with it.
Thanks in
advance.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn




Re: Running dos

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Freedos is still being supported, I believe, and it runs on one of my laptops that was manufactured in 2013.


Hth,

George

On 6/8/2019 9:12 AM, Gene wrote:
You may need mor specialized help than you can find on this list.  There is a small group. blind-l, where people who used DOS a long time ago and at least one person who still uses DOS are members.  I don't have the subscription information but someone else may know how to find it.  You may or may not need an old computer. 
 
First, you may be assuming that new computers won't run DOS.  That is an unsupported assumption.  And if you can't run an old version of DOS, that actually came from Microsoft, people are still working on DOS, and there is at least one kind of DOS that is being updated.  I don't know what is being updated in it but it may run on new computers.  At least one person on the Blind-l list knows something or quite a bit about this.
 
If you are concerned about modems, I believe there are USB attachable modems, but I have no idea if they can be used with DOS. 
 
It’s a good question that Ann asked about what the person does with the computer.  Let's say its e-mail and surfing the Internet, of course, just reading text. 
 
You don't have to know Windows at all except something like one or two commands to do such things. 
You have to memorize some commands in the e-mail program such as control r, reply, control N, new, and you need to learn how to use the addressbook.  But none of that requires learning Windows and the person could do that and it would be, for all practical purposes, just like learning another program.
 
Shortt cut commands such as control alt m could be used to open the e-mail program and control alt I or b or whatever is wanted to open the browser.  Here again, if all the person does is browse and read text, he would have to learn a small number of commands but he wouldn't have to learn Windows. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Running dos

Hi all,

Dan, me thinks you're askin' for a pink elephant.  I have such a
computer, but I am not willing to sell.  I have some files and programs
which I still use on occasion.  Besides, my old clunker is so big, it'd
cost hundreds of dollars to ship it anywhere.  Unless you're coming to
the ACB convention this summer, and you're being driven by somebody
who'd have room for the clunker, it's not worth the shipping costs.

What exactly does your friend want to do with this DOS computer.  He
can't really go on the Net conveniently.  He can't write and print much
that can be formatted properly.  If he has a shell account, he can get
his email via Pine or something similar, but he's virtually paddling a
long canoe with just one paddle.

He could go to Linux which can be used in command-line mode, but even
Linux has gone to "graphical interfaces".  The only problem with Linux
is that you have to keep it up.  You have to update it and run the
server properly.  This takes a good deal of techie knowledge.

I think you can run even a win10 computer in command mode, which is in
fact, DOS, but he'd have to learn the menus for win10.  Actually, if
you quit thinking of Windows as a 'graphical interface' and think of it
as a menu driven program, you might relieve some of the fear of the
unknown.  Sure, Windows is a 'graphical interface', but for us, it's
just like using a set of menus.

If all he wants his computer to do is to read email, then if you can
find somebody with an ancient door stop, you're golden.  Maybe his
sys-admin who runs the shell account would be willing to help him get
into Linux enough so that he can at least run an OS that is going to
facilitate his participation on the Net accurately and conveniently.  
Again, I wish you luck finding a working door stop.

Maybe investing in a Smart Vision II phone  might be a better bet.

Ann P.


Original message:

> A blind relative has always used dos with dialup internet.

> His machine died.

> He is unlikely to use a graphical intrface.

> Does anyone have a suggestion where to find a computer that will still
> run dos, previous windows versions ran on top of it.
> --
> Thanks for any help.
> XB
> m

>

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Re: Editing with NVDA

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

the same way for NVDA or use control right or left arrow
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
To: main
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:31 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Editing with NVDA

I am primarily a Jaws user but do use NVDA as an occasional backup. When in a message body, word or text document, etc. with Jaws, you can hold down the Jaws key and tab the right or left arrows to move by word rather that by character. Is there any similar method of doing this in NVDA?Thanks
 


Re: People with .rr.com addresses not getting any of my emails.

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Carolyn, maybe they need to add you to a safe sender's email address. That would be my guess. I don't use.RRR, however my parents have one. And I can happy send a test there to see what might be going on. I love my TWC.com address because it has never blocked any of your emails.

On Jun 8, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:

Question: Why is it that people with .rr.com addresses are
not getting my emails? Most do, if I will go to Gmail's net
site, where JAWS seems to be crippled, but one or two, even
from over there do not. It is a royal pain x 99 squared to
say the least. I don't cope with unnecessary problems well,
as I am a fix it or live with it person. I am asking, since
I hope I don't have to live with it. Thanks in advance.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn




Re: No traffic in group, and my message came back "undeliverable."

Vicki W
 

That list is no longer working. It has been shut down by the owner because of time commitments.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 7:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] No traffic in group, and my message came back "undeliverable."


This happened to me with Blind Phones.

I have no idea if it is something called bouncing, which I
do not actually know what that is or what to do about it.
Anyone with an idea about what I do about it? Thanks.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn



filtering gmail messages

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,

I subscribe to all of the e-mail lists I'm on with a gmail account and since I'm subscribed to several high-traffic lists I filter the lists to their own folders, this is in thunderbird if that matters but I think it would be the same no matter what.

I filter on the list name when possible because most of the lists I'm on have the list names in the subject line, but I notice that on some of the lists, and maybe all of them, some messages don't have the list name in the subject line so they end up not getting filtered and end up in my inbox. This really gets confusing when some of the messages in the same thread don't have the list name in the subject line and some do so some of them end up in my inbox and some end up in the folder they get filtered to.

Unless somebody knows a different way that I can filter that all messages from a list end up in the same place the only solution I can think of is to filter on the list address but when I'm creating the filter on gmail.com what field or fields do I need to put the list address in so the filter works correctly at least the majority of the time? I know that in the e-mail clients I've used in the past like outlook express there's been an option to filter on any of the to, cc, or bcc fields but gmail doesn't seem to have that option available.

Thanks.

Troy


the listen factor

Karim Lakhani
 

Hello all,

I've been enjoying the TLF web site.

www.thelistenfactor.com

 

I was just hoping if someone could help me understand the odd behavior that I'm experience when trying to listen to the site on channel 1.

When I use safari on the iPhone and on that particular web site all channels work accept for "1". I get a network error.

I've made sure to unplug the modem and then clear cache or what ever the problem could be..

When I access the web site on my desktop computer I have no  problem listening to channel 1.

I'm thinking this is only my problem because I've not heard any one else bring it up.

Any ideas on what I need to clear from the book marks or for safari?

thanks for any info.

 


People with .rr.com addresses not getting any of my emails.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Question: Why is it that people with .rr.com addresses are
not getting my emails? Most do, if I will go to Gmail's net
site, where JAWS seems to be crippled, but one or two, even
from over there do not. It is a royal pain x 99 squared to
say the least. I don't cope with unnecessary problems well,
as I am a fix it or live with it person. I am asking, since
I hope I don't have to live with it. Thanks in advance.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn


Re: Editing with NVDA

Gene
 

Regardless, it is a cautionary example of what happens when you only learn proprietary screen-reader commands to do certain things.  JAWS has proprietary commands to use the numpad for document navigation.  But it is still important to learn the Windows way to do this so you can do what you want to do in the most convenient manner.  Any good instructional material or instructor teaches the Windows way to do things, and if there is an advantage in using proprietary screen-reader commands at times to do certain things, will teach those as well. 
 
But let's take an example:
If the only way you know to move in a document is the JAWS commands, it makes editing much more inconvenient.  You have to constantly take your right hand away from the home keys and move much farther away from them to move.  Let's say you are at the beginning of a line and you want to move five words in and edit the fifth word. 
If you know the Windows wway, you can use control right arrow to move to the word, then edit.
If you only know the JAWS way, you have to move to the numpad, move using the numpad, then place your hand back on the home row and etit.  Compared to the Windows method, it is cumbersome. 
 
Also, if you don't know the Windows way, any time you use a computer, such as a laptop, that doesn't have a numpad, you are put at a significant inconvenience. 
 
and, while this isn't meant as a criticism, control left and right arrow are taught in any good Windows instructional material early on.  This raises the question of how much inconvenience the person is needlessly going through by somehow, perhaps, learning only proprietary JAWS commands for other activities where it is of benefit to know both.
 
And note carefully that I am not blaming or criticizing the person.  I'm saying that however she was taught or whatever materials she used may have been inadequate.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: BB
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Editing with NVDA

Ann, This response is a bit off putting. She said she had been using
Windows for a long time and just because she was unaware of one command
does not mean she is too dependent on any screen reader. I am sure that
no one, including yourself, know every Windows command.

These lists are to share information and help each other so a little
courtesy goes a long way.

On 6/8/2019 4:29 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In Windows, ctrl-right-arrow and ctrl-left-arrow do this.  They are
> *not* screen reader commands, therefore, they should work no matter
> what you're using.   My advice is to spend some time getting away from
> dependency on Jaws and learn Windows commands so that you can operate
> a computer even if it's running Cobra or NVDA or System Access or
> whatever.  There are compilations of Windows keyboard commands
> available both from NBP and on the net.
>
> Ann P.
>



Re: Editing with NVDA

BB <Berniece1910@...>
 

Ann, This response is a bit off putting. She said she had been using Windows for a long time and just because she was unaware of one command does not mean she is too dependent on any screen reader. I am sure that no one, including yourself, know every Windows command.

These lists are to share information and help each other so a little courtesy goes a long way.

On 6/8/2019 4:29 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

In Windows, ctrl-right-arrow and ctrl-left-arrow do this.  They are *not* screen reader commands, therefore, they should work no matter what you're using.   My advice is to spend some time getting away from dependency on Jaws and learn Windows commands so that you can operate a computer even if it's running Cobra or NVDA or System Access or whatever.  There are compilations of Windows keyboard commands available both from NBP and on the net.

Ann P.


Re: Running dos

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi, EBay would probably be the best source, making sure to find a seller
with a PC for little or nothing and will ship free. A local computer users
group might be a good resource, and, perhaps, Craig's List, but there is a
risk there. Maybe a call to a computer instructor at a local tech or
community college might be helpful. I understand the idea of perhaps moving
your friend to Windows wherein he could use DOS, but I also can appreciate
someone being comfortable with what they are used to, and they want what
they want. Good luck, I really hope you are able to assist your friend.
Best, Norma

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
-
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Running dos


A blind relative has always used dos with dialup internet.

His machine died.

He is unlikely to use a graphical intrface.

Does anyone have a suggestion where to find a computer that will still run
dos, previous windows versions ran on top of it.
--
Thanks for any help.
XB
m


Re: Splitting Topics [was: Changing a message subject]

Laz
 

Thanks for the information however it is much more extra work for a
group owner or moderator than it is for group members to just do the
right thing in the first place. I can see doing this once in a blue
moon if absolutely necessary but not something extra I would want to
do on a regular basis.

Laz group moderator

On 6/8/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Laz,
Not sure what you mean by your statement that it's mainly for group
moderators and owners to split the topic.
With it, I mean splitting a topic intto more or two different ones. And
yes, it's quite possible :)
See: How to Split Threads
<https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-to-Split-Threads>

You might want to have a look at the other articles in this wiki. You'll
find lots of nice groups.io features :)

Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
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Re: How to block emails?

Carolyn Arnold
 

One thing about blocking too is that the Junk Mail folder
has to be deleted periodically; otherwise, it just gets
fuller and fuller.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to block emails?

As far as I know, all it will do is send the blocked files
to the deleted messages folder. You may not mind that, but
you will still be receiving the mail.

Also will this procedure really block a list or will it
block the person who sent the message? If it uses the from
line of messages to determine what to block, it will block
the person, not the list. That means you won't receive the
person's mail, no matter if he/she sends you a message off
list, and you won't receive the person's mail from any other
list.

At this point, I'm not sure it is wise to fool around with
blocking. Using message rules would be wiser, since at this
point, we don't know what blocking does.

If you tell us what list server the lists are on, we may be
able to tell you how to actually unsubscribe or how to find
out the e-mail method. Different list serves follow
different patterns. Someone who knows how to unsubscribe by
e-mail from one list on a list serve can follow the same
pattern for every other list on that list serve.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan <mailto:vrvaughan63@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to block emails?



Thank you very much for these instructions on blocking
unwanted emails.



As you saw, I have been successful with some unsubscribing,
but not with others.



Your instructions will clear up a lot of clutter in my
inbox!



Sincerely Vicky V





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Smiling?
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 5:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to block emails?



1. Highlight any email you are interested in blocking and
use your Applications key (Shift+F10) and press J for the
Junk submenu... option.

2. There will be options to Block, Unblock and Never Block
etc.



It'd be best for you though if you just unsubscribed from
these various lists instead like was already mentioned.
Check the various footers of the emails because usually
there is an unsubscribe address or address to the homepage
within for a lot of lists which it sounds you already tried
with unsuccessful results, but unsubscribing would be best
because why cause your computer unnecessary work, you know?



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 6:40 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] How to block emails?



Hi List I am using Outlook 2016 on a Windows 10 desktop
computer with Jaws 2019.



There are some lists that I have joined, but now I wish to
unsubscribe from them. However merely clicking on the
unsubscribe button on some of these has not done the job.



Therefore, I figure the only thing left to do is to block
them.



What is the specific peace of information from one of their
messages do I need to have to do this? What then do I do to
block them?



Thank you very much for any help!



Sincerely, Vicky V






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Re: Running dos

Gene
 

I found what appears to be the correct subscription information to Blind-l. 
The information is unclearly written on the page because it isn't formatted properly.
I have altered the format in which the information is presented to make its meaning clear. 
To subscribe to Blind-L send email to:
listserv@...
•subject: anything
message body says: subscribe blind-l firstname lastname
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Running dos

You may need mor specialized help than you can find on this list.  There is a small group. blind-l, where people who used DOS a long time ago and at least one person who still uses DOS are members.  I don't have the subscription information but someone else may know how to find it.  You may or may not need an old computer. 
 
First, you may be assuming that new computers won't run DOS.  That is an unsupported assumption.  And if you can't run an old version of DOS, that actually came from Microsoft, people are still working on DOS, and there is at least one kind of DOS that is being updated.  I don't know what is being updated in it but it may run on new computers.  At least one person on the Blind-l list knows something or quite a bit about this.
 
If you are concerned about modems, I believe there are USB attachable modems, but I have no idea if they can be used with DOS. 
 
It’s a good question that Ann asked about what the person does with the computer.  Let's say its e-mail and surfing the Internet, of course, just reading text. 
 
You don't have to know Windows at all except something like one or two commands to do such things. 
You have to memorize some commands in the e-mail program such as control r, reply, control N, new, and you need to learn how to use the addressbook.  But none of that requires learning Windows and the person could do that and it would be, for all practical purposes, just like learning another program.
 
Shortt cut commands such as control alt m could be used to open the e-mail program and control alt I or b or whatever is wanted to open the browser.  Here again, if all the person does is browse and read text, he would have to learn a small number of commands but he wouldn't have to learn Windows. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Running dos

Hi all,

Dan, me thinks you're askin' for a pink elephant.  I have such a
computer, but I am not willing to sell.  I have some files and programs
which I still use on occasion.  Besides, my old clunker is so big, it'd
cost hundreds of dollars to ship it anywhere.  Unless you're coming to
the ACB convention this summer, and you're being driven by somebody
who'd have room for the clunker, it's not worth the shipping costs.

What exactly does your friend want to do with this DOS computer.  He
can't really go on the Net conveniently.  He can't write and print much
that can be formatted properly.  If he has a shell account, he can get
his email via Pine or something similar, but he's virtually paddling a
long canoe with just one paddle.

He could go to Linux which can be used in command-line mode, but even
Linux has gone to "graphical interfaces".  The only problem with Linux
is that you have to keep it up.  You have to update it and run the
server properly.  This takes a good deal of techie knowledge.

I think you can run even a win10 computer in command mode, which is in
fact, DOS, but he'd have to learn the menus for win10.  Actually, if
you quit thinking of Windows as a 'graphical interface' and think of it
as a menu driven program, you might relieve some of the fear of the
unknown.  Sure, Windows is a 'graphical interface', but for us, it's
just like using a set of menus.

If all he wants his computer to do is to read email, then if you can
find somebody with an ancient door stop, you're golden.  Maybe his
sys-admin who runs the shell account would be willing to help him get
into Linux enough so that he can at least run an OS that is going to
facilitate his participation on the Net accurately and conveniently.  
Again, I wish you luck finding a working door stop.

Maybe investing in a Smart Vision II phone  might be a better bet.

Ann P.


Original message:

> A blind relative has always used dos with dialup internet.

> His machine died.

> He is unlikely to use a graphical intrface.

> Does anyone have a suggestion where to find a computer that will still
> run dos, previous windows versions ran on top of it.
> --
> Thanks for any help.
> XB
> m

>

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