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Re: Braille labeler‘s

Pamela Dominguez
 

And the thing about that is, I don't think you can take the plastic ones apart and fix them like you can the older metal ones. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

That's great that it worked for you. Mine continuously jammed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: June 10, 2019 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I've only used the plastic braille labeler and it's stood up well for me. Purchased it about 6-7 years ago from the Braille Super Store. I purchased it because the price was better than other retailers and I am very pleased that I am still using it with no problems. FWIT Norma


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 3:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I've used both. The plastic one is a piece of junk. I'm sorry, there is no other way to describe it. It often jams. Spend the extra and get the good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: June 9, 2019 2:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I haven't used one in many years.
I recall that there are at least two different models.
They look and fell the same but one has a plastic body and the other is metal. I would guess that the 70 dollar one is metal. This one would be more rugged.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June-08-19 9:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

Hi all:

I know this topic has been covered before, but I am interested in purchasing a new braille labeler. I want a handheld braille labeler like the one I used to own. I’ve been looking online and I have seen them for as little as $25, and as much as just under $70. I want one that is durable, easy to use and will last a long time.

Which braille labeler do you recommend? From where do you suggest I purchase it? I’m considering either Amazon.com or the braille superstore. I think the braille superstore is also known as future aids. I don’t think that I will purchase it from LS & S products or Maxi aids just because I don’t like getting around on those websites. Anything you guys can suggest would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Victor




















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Re: Braille labeler‘s

chris judge
 

It's quite possible it's no longer available. I've not been able to track one down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: June 11, 2019 3:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I agree with you about the plastic one. But I didn't know there was still a metal one at all, anymore. I thought once they changed it to a plastic thing, that was all. I know somebody said they saw several models years ago, but I think that was years ago. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I've used both. The plastic one is a piece of junk. I'm sorry, there is no other way to describe it. It often jams. Spend the extra and get the good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: June 9, 2019 2:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I haven't used one in many years.
I recall that there are at least two different models.
They look and fell the same but one has a plastic body and the other is metal. I would guess that the 70 dollar one is metal. This one would be more rugged.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June-08-19 9:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

Hi all:

I know this topic has been covered before, but I am interested in purchasing a new braille labeler. I want a handheld braille labeler like the one I used to own. I’ve been looking online and I have seen them for as little as $25, and as much as just under $70. I want one that is durable, easy to use and will last a long time.

Which braille labeler do you recommend? From where do you suggest I purchase it? I’m considering either Amazon.com or the braille superstore. I think the braille superstore is also known as future aids. I don’t think that I will purchase it from LS & S products or Maxi aids just because I don’t like getting around on those websites. Anything you guys can suggest would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Victor












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Re: Braille labeler‘s

Pamela Dominguez
 

I agree with you about the plastic one. But I didn't know there was still a metal one at all, anymore. I thought once they changed it to a plastic thing, that was all. I know somebody said they saw several models years ago, but I think that was years ago. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I've used both. The plastic one is a piece of junk. I'm sorry, there is no other way to describe it. It often jams. Spend the extra and get the good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: June 9, 2019 2:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

I haven't used one in many years.
I recall that there are at least two different models.
They look and fell the same but one has a plastic body and the other is metal. I would guess that the 70 dollar one is metal. This one would be more rugged.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June-08-19 9:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Braille labeler‘s

Hi all:

I know this topic has been covered before, but I am interested in purchasing a new braille labeler. I want a handheld braille labeler like the one I used to own. I’ve been looking online and I have seen them for as little as $25, and as much as just under $70. I want one that is durable, easy to use and will last a long time.

Which braille labeler do you recommend? From where do you suggest I purchase it? I’m considering either Amazon.com or the braille superstore. I think the braille superstore is also known as future aids. I don’t think that I will purchase it from LS & S products or Maxi aids just because I don’t like getting around on those websites. Anything you guys can suggest would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Victor












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Re: Frustrated that emails are not being received that I send.

Gene
 

maybe its time to try another e-mail program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:50 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Frustrated that emails are not being received that I send.

More and more, my personal email system is just totally
breaking - like a bombed town. Fortunately, the problem has
not happened with the lists yet. I'm skeptical though.

Many of my recipients have cable email addresses, and that
seems to be the really biggie. With a few, the only way they
get s o m e of my email is for me to go to the Net to send
it or my phone. I don't have a lot of email addresses in my
phone - just another job to do I guess.

I have called my server. They say it is not their problem,
since they will go out on the net. I have checked with
Microsoft Accessibility, who has unloaded and reloaded
Outlook - wow, another pain, had to unfilter 25 boxes and
switch from descending order to ascending order.

So, here is one thing I wonder. If I got rid of my phone
company server and got cable, would I have assurance that
the problem would be solved. Then, too, if I did that, I'd
have to change my address in all of my lists, which all have
message rules. Needless to say, I'm perplexed, annoyed, and
frustrated.

Any ideas can't hurt and would be appreciated.

One reason I am so extremely upset is because last week I
had important information for two family members. They did
not get the emails, so naturally did not respond. They could
not.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn




Re: Selecting with NVDA?

chris judge
 

Hi. I don’t use itunes, but if you are able to select tracks, do the cut and paste commands work? Can you select a track, cut it with control X, then move to the spot in the playlist where you want it and paste it in with control V? I’ve never done this in itunes, but that’s usually how you would move items around.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: June 11, 2019 1:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi you are right.  So how do I go about selecting and moving my songs from one place to another place in the playlist? – please?

 

Thanks very much!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi Vicky. In NvDA, you don’t use the numpad to move the same way you do in jaws. This is why it isn’t working for you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: June 11, 2019 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

This is Vicky again.  I forgot to say that for me, the NumPad with NVDA does not move the cursor like it does in Jaws.  Instead, with NVDA I must use the triangle set of cursor movement.

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computer and I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

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making fresh install windows10 32bit as small as possible?

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

After updating some software on my RCA cambio tablet with the following specs:

 

System Information

Current Date/Time:Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 13:11:56

Computer Name:DESKTOP-9Q4D4PV

Operating System:Windows 10 Home 32-bit (10.0, Build 18362)

Language:English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer:RCA

System Model:W101AS23T2

BIOS:BSR4WEUS-S10W05-RCA-V32

Processor:Intel(R) Atom(TM) x5-Z8350  CPU @ 1.44GHz (4 CPUs), ~1.4GHz

Memory:2048MB RAM

Page file:1723MB used, 1400MB available

DirectX Version:DirectX 12

 

It copied a bunch of files to places they should not have been so with the help of an extra USB hub I had around I used my son’s laptop to make a USB bootable flash drive of the latest windows10 32bit. I successfully installed it then installed the needed drivers that I luckily had a backup of. But there is one problem. Before the reformat and completely clean install of windows including deleting all partitions and starting from scratch, windows with nothing else on the drive took up about 8gb of space. But after the format, it then said 14.5 to 15gb of space was taken up by windows 10 32bit alone. So I ran the “compact.exe /compactos:always” command and it compacted my windows install. But it still said windows was taking up 13.5 gb or more space. So my question is, is there a way I can modify my USB flash drive with windows10 home 32bit bootable drive to make windows compress itself as much as possible during installation? It’s only a 32gb drive and I have a 128gb sd card also installed so saving as much space is important. If its possible to compress windows even more with a command, some sort of drive compression full disk compression software, or a special compressed install could you please let me know and how to accomplish this?

 

Thanks,

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Gene
 

I can't tell what your current problem or problems are.  You said you can't use the numpad but must use the main arrow keys.  That is correct.  NVDA doesn't allow the numpad to be used as a second set of arrow keys.  But it appears you already know how to use the main arrow keys.  Do you know if the correct item is selected when you follow my procedures?  If so, the next question is what the ITunes procedure is to do what you want.  I don't use ITunes so I can't answer that.
 
Gene
-----

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

Yes, But what if you had moved to item 3 and you wanted to move it to a different place in the list?  What would you do with NVDA to select the item you are on or the one you just heard?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I made an error in my previous message.  In my first example of selecting consecutive items, I said items 3, 4, 5, and 6.  I then said you move to item 2.  That is incorrect.  You move to item 3.  By moving to it, it is now selected.  Using shift down arrow moves to and selects item 4, then item 5, etc. 

 

Gene

 

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I don't use ITunes and I don't know if selection follows the standard selection rules.  The first question is, how much of your probems come from not knowing or following standard selection rules?

Shift down arrow in a list, not in a document, I'm talking only about standard lists, doesn't select the item you are on.  If you open something, such as a list of files, as in Windows Explorer, and use shift down arrow, you select the second item.  You can select the first item by pressing the space bar on it before moving.  Every time you want to select just one item, moving to it using the arrow keys automatically selects it.  If you open something, such as a folder, nothing is selected.  You haven't moved to anything yet.  You can select the current item with the space bar or you can down arrow once, then up arrow.  When you down arrow, you move to the second item, then when you up arrow, you unselect that item and select the first item.  So the very first question should be, when you either press the space bar on an item when you haven't moved, is it selected?  If you use just the arrow keys, no shift, to move to an item, is the item you moved to selected?

 

Shift in a list, is used to select items that are consecutive.  if you want to select items three, four, five, and six in a list, you move with the arrow keys to item to. You moved to it with the arrow keys so its already selected.  You then hold shift, and down arrow until you are on the last item you want to select.  They are all now selected.  But remember, the first item you want to select is already selected because you moved to it.

If you want to select items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, if you have opened the list and not moved, press the space bar on item one to select it.  Then use shift down arrow.  If you don't select the first item, you will not select that item by using shift down arrow.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:14 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi Gene and others who are trying to help, Let’s say I have a playlist called Favorite Songs.  Now in that list I have 3 songs, we’ll call the first Song A, the second Song B and the third Song C.

 

Now after I have heard the name Song A and then use the down arrow from the triangle set of cursor keys, I hear the second song, Song B.

Let’s say that I want to move that Song B to be the first song.

If I now use the command Insert+DownArrow” to select Song B, I actually select Song C.

 

Some of you might then say, then when you are on Song A and you know that you want to move Song B, just use the “Insert+DownArrow” at that point.  However, that seems likely to produce a lot of errors.

 

Please remember this is using NVDA in Windows 10 on a desk top computer and that my Jaws 19 no longer allows for this kind of selecting.  This can be done, if Jaws is not running and I have verified this with several sighted people helping.

 

Thanks very much for any help, since I really really want to create my playlists!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V.  

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Frustrated that emails are not being received that I send.

Carolyn Arnold
 

More and more, my personal email system is just totally
breaking - like a bombed town. Fortunately, the problem has
not happened with the lists yet. I'm skeptical though.

Many of my recipients have cable email addresses, and that
seems to be the really biggie. With a few, the only way they
get s o m e of my email is for me to go to the Net to send
it or my phone. I don't have a lot of email addresses in my
phone - just another job to do I guess.

I have called my server. They say it is not their problem,
since they will go out on the net. I have checked with
Microsoft Accessibility, who has unloaded and reloaded
Outlook - wow, another pain, had to unfilter 25 boxes and
switch from descending order to ascending order.

So, here is one thing I wonder. If I got rid of my phone
company server and got cable, would I have assurance that
the problem would be solved. Then, too, if I did that, I'd
have to change my address in all of my lists, which all have
message rules. Needless to say, I'm perplexed, annoyed, and
frustrated.

Any ideas can't hurt and would be appreciated.

One reason I am so extremely upset is because last week I
had important information for two family members. They did
not get the emails, so naturally did not respond. They could
not.

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Hi you are right.  So how do I go about selecting and moving my songs from one place to another place in the playlist? – please?

 

Thanks very much!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi Vicky. In NvDA, you don’t use the numpad to move the same way you do in jaws. This is why it isn’t working for you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: June 11, 2019 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

This is Vicky again.  I forgot to say that for me, the NumPad with NVDA does not move the cursor like it does in Jaws.  Instead, with NVDA I must use the triangle set of cursor movement.

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computer and I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

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Re: Selecting with NVDA?

chris judge
 

Hi Vicky. In NvDA, you don’t use the numpad to move the same way you do in jaws. This is why it isn’t working for you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: June 11, 2019 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

This is Vicky again.  I forgot to say that for me, the NumPad with NVDA does not move the cursor like it does in Jaws.  Instead, with NVDA I must use the triangle set of cursor movement.

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computer and I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Yes, But what if you had moved to item 3 and you wanted to move it to a different place in the list?  What would you do with NVDA to select the item you are on or the one you just heard?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I made an error in my previous message.  In my first example of selecting consecutive items, I said items 3, 4, 5, and 6.  I then said you move to item 2.  That is incorrect.  You move to item 3.  By moving to it, it is now selected.  Using shift down arrow moves to and selects item 4, then item 5, etc. 

 

Gene

 

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I don't use ITunes and I don't know if selection follows the standard selection rules.  The first question is, how much of your probems come from not knowing or following standard selection rules?

Shift down arrow in a list, not in a document, I'm talking only about standard lists, doesn't select the item you are on.  If you open something, such as a list of files, as in Windows Explorer, and use shift down arrow, you select the second item.  You can select the first item by pressing the space bar on it before moving.  Every time you want to select just one item, moving to it using the arrow keys automatically selects it.  If you open something, such as a folder, nothing is selected.  You haven't moved to anything yet.  You can select the current item with the space bar or you can down arrow once, then up arrow.  When you down arrow, you move to the second item, then when you up arrow, you unselect that item and select the first item.  So the very first question should be, when you either press the space bar on an item when you haven't moved, is it selected?  If you use just the arrow keys, no shift, to move to an item, is the item you moved to selected?

 

Shift in a list, is used to select items that are consecutive.  if you want to select items three, four, five, and six in a list, you move with the arrow keys to item to. You moved to it with the arrow keys so its already selected.  You then hold shift, and down arrow until you are on the last item you want to select.  They are all now selected.  But remember, the first item you want to select is already selected because you moved to it.

If you want to select items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, if you have opened the list and not moved, press the space bar on item one to select it.  Then use shift down arrow.  If you don't select the first item, you will not select that item by using shift down arrow.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:14 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi Gene and others who are trying to help, Let’s say I have a playlist called Favorite Songs.  Now in that list I have 3 songs, we’ll call the first Song A, the second Song B and the third Song C.

 

Now after I have heard the name Song A and then use the down arrow from the triangle set of cursor keys, I hear the second song, Song B.

Let’s say that I want to move that Song B to be the first song.

If I now use the command Insert+DownArrow” to select Song B, I actually select Song C.

 

Some of you might then say, then when you are on Song A and you know that you want to move Song B, just use the “Insert+DownArrow” at that point.  However, that seems likely to produce a lot of errors.

 

Please remember this is using NVDA in Windows 10 on a desk top computer and that my Jaws 19 no longer allows for this kind of selecting.  This can be done, if Jaws is not running and I have verified this with several sighted people helping.

 

Thanks very much for any help, since I really really want to create my playlists!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V.  

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Gene
 

I made an error in my previous message.  In my first example of selecting consecutive items, I said items 3, 4, 5, and 6.  I then said you move to item 2.  That is incorrect.  You move to item 3.  By moving to it, it is now selected.  Using shift down arrow moves to and selects item 4, then item 5, etc. 
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

I don't use ITunes and I don't know if selection follows the standard selection rules.  The first question is, how much of your probems come from not knowing or following standard selection rules?
Shift down arrow in a list, not in a document, I'm talking only about standard lists, doesn't select the item you are on.  If you open something, such as a list of files, as in Windows Explorer, and use shift down arrow, you select the second item.  You can select the first item by pressing the space bar on it before moving.  Every time you want to select just one item, moving to it using the arrow keys automatically selects it.  If you open something, such as a folder, nothing is selected.  You haven't moved to anything yet.  You can select the current item with the space bar or you can down arrow once, then up arrow.  When you down arrow, you move to the second item, then when you up arrow, you unselect that item and select the first item.  So the very first question should be, when you either press the space bar on an item when you haven't moved, is it selected?  If you use just the arrow keys, no shift, to move to an item, is the item you moved to selected?
 
Shift in a list, is used to select items that are consecutive.  if you want to select items three, four, five, and six in a list, you move with the arrow keys to item to. You moved to it with the arrow keys so its already selected.  You then hold shift, and down arrow until you are on the last item you want to select.  They are all now selected.  But remember, the first item you want to select is already selected because you moved to it.
If you want to select items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, if you have opened the list and not moved, press the space bar on item one to select it.  Then use shift down arrow.  If you don't select the first item, you will not select that item by using shift down arrow.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

Hi Gene and others who are trying to help, Let’s say I have a playlist called Favorite Songs.  Now in that list I have 3 songs, we’ll call the first Song A, the second Song B and the third Song C.

 

Now after I have heard the name Song A and then use the down arrow from the triangle set of cursor keys, I hear the second song, Song B.

Let’s say that I want to move that Song B to be the first song.

If I now use the command Insert+DownArrow” to select Song B, I actually select Song C.

 

Some of you might then say, then when you are on Song A and you know that you want to move Song B, just use the “Insert+DownArrow” at that point.  However, that seems likely to produce a lot of errors.

 

Please remember this is using NVDA in Windows 10 on a desk top computer and that my Jaws 19 no longer allows for this kind of selecting.  This can be done, if Jaws is not running and I have verified this with several sighted people helping.

 

Thanks very much for any help, since I really really want to create my playlists!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V.  

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Gene
 

I don't use ITunes and I don't know if selection follows the standard selection rules.  The first question is, how much of your probems come from not knowing or following standard selection rules?
Shift down arrow in a list, not in a document, I'm talking only about standard lists, doesn't select the item you are on.  If you open something, such as a list of files, as in Windows Explorer, and use shift down arrow, you select the second item.  You can select the first item by pressing the space bar on it before moving.  Every time you want to select just one item, moving to it using the arrow keys automatically selects it.  If you open something, such as a folder, nothing is selected.  You haven't moved to anything yet.  You can select the current item with the space bar or you can down arrow once, then up arrow.  When you down arrow, you move to the second item, then when you up arrow, you unselect that item and select the first item.  So the very first question should be, when you either press the space bar on an item when you haven't moved, is it selected?  If you use just the arrow keys, no shift, to move to an item, is the item you moved to selected?
 
Shift in a list, is used to select items that are consecutive.  if you want to select items three, four, five, and six in a list, you move with the arrow keys to item to. You moved to it with the arrow keys so its already selected.  You then hold shift, and down arrow until you are on the last item you want to select.  They are all now selected.  But remember, the first item you want to select is already selected because you moved to it.
If you want to select items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, if you have opened the list and not moved, press the space bar on item one to select it.  Then use shift down arrow.  If you don't select the first item, you will not select that item by using shift down arrow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

Hi Gene and others who are trying to help, Let’s say I have a playlist called Favorite Songs.  Now in that list I have 3 songs, we’ll call the first Song A, the second Song B and the third Song C.

 

Now after I have heard the name Song A and then use the down arrow from the triangle set of cursor keys, I hear the second song, Song B.

Let’s say that I want to move that Song B to be the first song.

If I now use the command Insert+DownArrow” to select Song B, I actually select Song C.

 

Some of you might then say, then when you are on Song A and you know that you want to move Song B, just use the “Insert+DownArrow” at that point.  However, that seems likely to produce a lot of errors.

 

Please remember this is using NVDA in Windows 10 on a desk top computer and that my Jaws 19 no longer allows for this kind of selecting.  This can be done, if Jaws is not running and I have verified this with several sighted people helping.

 

Thanks very much for any help, since I really really want to create my playlists!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V.  

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan
 

This is Vicky again.  I forgot to say that for me, the NumPad with NVDA does not move the cursor like it does in Jaws.  Instead, with NVDA I must use the triangle set of cursor movement.

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computer and I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

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Re: Selecting with NVDA?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Hi Gene and others who are trying to help, Let’s say I have a playlist called Favorite Songs.  Now in that list I have 3 songs, we’ll call the first Song A, the second Song B and the third Song C.

 

Now after I have heard the name Song A and then use the down arrow from the triangle set of cursor keys, I hear the second song, Song B.

Let’s say that I want to move that Song B to be the first song.

If I now use the command Insert+DownArrow” to select Song B, I actually select Song C.

 

Some of you might then say, then when you are on Song A and you know that you want to move Song B, just use the “Insert+DownArrow” at that point.  However, that seems likely to produce a lot of errors.

 

Please remember this is using NVDA in Windows 10 on a desk top computer and that my Jaws 19 no longer allows for this kind of selecting.  This can be done, if Jaws is not running and I have verified this with several sighted people helping.

 

Thanks very much for any help, since I really really want to create my playlists!

 

Sincerely, Vicky V.  

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

I'm not sure if these comments will help, but they may help you understand what the commands do in JAWS using the Numpad. 

 

The Numpad in JAWS emulates certain commands but it doesn't do more.  Just plain down arrow does what Numpad 2 does in JAWS.  Numpad 8 emulates the up arrow.Numpad 4 and 6 are the same as the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard.

Insert left and right arrow move by word, exactly as control left and right arrow do. 

 

I'm not quite sure what you want to do but it may be that something isn't allowing the interface to work as it should.  does ITunes cause your screen-reader to go into browse mode?  Should you be in forms mode to do what you want to do?  When you are in the list, if you issue the command insert, that is the default NVDA key and press space while holding insert, Do you hear a sound?  If so, you are probably in forms mode.  Do things work as expected then? 

 

Perhaps JAWS didn't work as expected because it is in the virtual PC cursor. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hi, thanks for trying to help! 

 

Unfortunately, that does not work for me anymore.

 

I am using iTunes 12.8 on a Windows 10 desk top computerand I think the latest NVDA, since Jaws 2019 won’t let me rearrange songs in a playlist.

 

I do a search for all the songs of a particular artist and select them all and paste them into their own playlist.

 

However, I then want to rearrange the order of them.

 

Now, in the older times, when Jaws would let me, I would indeed, use “Shift+DownArrow” to select a song and then I could cut or copy it, but that no longer works for me.  I have even tried it with Aira watching.  They could see that nothing would happen when I tried my tried and formerly true method. 

 

However, when I turned Jaws off and then they used the exact same command, it would work.

 

I found, when I switched to NVDA that the Number pad does not let me move the cursor around. The triangle keys to the left must be used instead.  Under those conditions, I have not figured out how to select one of the songs so I can move it to a different place in the playlist, since “Shift+DownArrow” then selects the song below the song I have just heard and which is the one I want to move.

 

Can any NVDA people help?

 

My sincerest thanks for any help in this.  I really miss being able to create playlists as I want them.

 

Vicky V

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

vicky

what would you like to do, select files in a list view?

use shift and down arrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Vicky Vaughan

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:12 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Selecting with NVDA?

 

Hello List, I am bran new to NVDA, but I am trying to use it with iTunes, since Jaws 2019 will not let me select songs to either put them in a playlist or rearrange them. 

 

I have had sighted people do what I wanted to do and when Jaws is not involved, it works just fine and not at all if Jaws is running.

 

However, in NVDA I know that I must use the triangle cursor keys and I haven’t been able to select using them, since “Shift+DownArrow” selects the next item and not the one just read.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

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Re: recording from pc

Gene
 

I hadn't looked for the command while recording.  it isn't displayed unless you are recording so I didn't realize there was a pause command. 
 
You don't have to use the global commands in options, as I had thought.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Smiling?
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

Once again, in-correct. You can pause and resume regardless using Virtual Recorder and is it literally called exactly that, pause and resume.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 6:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

I just looked in options in the shortcut keys section.  I'm not sure if it is called exactly that.  In that section, you can assign a command for pause and for resume, but unless you do, you can't pause and resume. 

 

Either Virtual Recorder or MP3 Direct Cut would be suitable.  Virtual Recorder, however, doesn't require the user to insert enc.dll (spelling) in the program folder so its easier to set up. 

 

It sounds as though the person isn't interested in editing.  Virtual Recorder can't be used for editing but that appears not to be an ability that is wanted.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Smiling?

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:41 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Virtual Recorder actually does allow the user to pause and resume the recording if one so saw fit without creating a new recording, but yes, if one stopped their recording then yes, a new file would be created once they pressed record again. Plus you can have multiple instances recording if one desired.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Smiling? Heather, and all

 

In thinking about the question, it is important to know just what the person wants to do.  Does the person just want to talk or does the person want to talk, stop or pause the recording, then continue after thinking about what further she wants to say.  Virtual Recorder would be good if the person just wants to record something without stopping and starting the recording.  But you can't stop and resume.  Every time you stop and resume, a new recording is made.  MP3 Direct Cut does allow you to stop and resume. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Smiling?

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Direct links below for Virtual Recorder (both installed and portable versions).

 

Virtual Recorder 1.4.02 – Installer:

http://opopanax.net/download/Setup_VirtualRecorder.exe

 

Virtual Recorder 1.4.02 – Portable:

http://opopanax.net/download/Virtual_Recorder_Portable.zip

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Hello, my friend wants to know of a free program that will allow her to record like notes and send them as mp3. I do not record off my pc so I could not tell her. Thank you, cheers Heather

 

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e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 


Re: recording from pc

Smiling?
 

Once again, in-correct. You can pause and resume regardless using Virtual Recorder and is it literally called exactly that, pause and resume.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 6:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

I just looked in options in the shortcut keys section.  I'm not sure if it is called exactly that.  In that section, you can assign a command for pause and for resume, but unless you do, you can't pause and resume. 

 

Either Virtual Recorder or MP3 Direct Cut would be suitable.  Virtual Recorder, however, doesn't require the user to insert enc.dll (spelling) in the program folder so its easier to set up. 

 

It sounds as though the person isn't interested in editing.  Virtual Recorder can't be used for editing but that appears not to be an ability that is wanted.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Smiling?

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:41 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Virtual Recorder actually does allow the user to pause and resume the recording if one so saw fit without creating a new recording, but yes, if one stopped their recording then yes, a new file would be created once they pressed record again. Plus you can have multiple instances recording if one desired.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Smiling? Heather, and all

 

In thinking about the question, it is important to know just what the person wants to do.  Does the person just want to talk or does the person want to talk, stop or pause the recording, then continue after thinking about what further she wants to say.  Virtual Recorder would be good if the person just wants to record something without stopping and starting the recording.  But you can't stop and resume.  Every time you stop and resume, a new recording is made.  MP3 Direct Cut does allow you to stop and resume. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Smiling?

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Direct links below for Virtual Recorder (both installed and portable versions).

 

Virtual Recorder 1.4.02 – Installer:

http://opopanax.net/download/Setup_VirtualRecorder.exe

 

Virtual Recorder 1.4.02 – Portable:

http://opopanax.net/download/Virtual_Recorder_Portable.zip

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] recording from pc

 

Hello, my friend wants to know of a free program that will allow her to record like notes and send them as mp3. I do not record off my pc so I could not tell her. Thank you, cheers Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 


Re: new Alexa dot.

Billy Inglis
 

hi Ashley, thanks for the kind offer, but at the moment I do not have a working phone.

On 10/06/2019 17:14, Ashley Breger via Groups.Io wrote:
I would be happy to assist you with the start up sound. If you would like to give me a call at 219-838-5076.
Ashley Breger

On Jun 10, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@gmail.com> wrote:

hi guys, I have just purchased the new Dot 3rd gen.
Question. i have forgotten how to have Alexa announce when she is ready for question.
A short bleep noise told me she was listening.
How to setup the bleep please?.
--
All The Best
Billy


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All The Best
Billy


Re: Looking for a suggestion regarding Outlook?

 

Vicky,
but my Outlook 2016 says that this feature is not supported.
Assuming you're  using the link provided at the end of each message, it shouldn't be happening at all. Given that this is a groups.io option, it doesn't matter which email client you're using. At the end of the day groups.io will filter the messages anyway, your email client will be responsible only and only for giving you the end result of this filtering by groups.io.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: filtering in gmail

 

Troy,
how would I create the filter using the list address?

I usually filter on the list name in the subject line, but I'm noticing that some messages don't have the list name in the subject line
Since you're using Thunderbird you could try setting it up with its filter options. It's not hard to set up a filter based on the "to" field, that's how I'm filtering my messages right now.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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