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Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Yes that was why I said NVDA as well! But she has made clear that NVDA is out .

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It is also now possible to offer remote assistance with NVDA as well for free.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

If the screen reader was minor in this she would not have specific said she was having problems with WE and W10 . She did not say I having problem with just W10 . Of course all this is hear say so we are all just assuming !

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:38 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

You are making unsupported assumptions.  You are assuming the screen-reader is the issue.  it may only be a minor one and even if JAWS were being used, the person might have almost as much trouble.  The main problems the person is having may be such things as knowing how to find and open programs in Windows 10.  She may be having problems understanding the start menu and perhaps she is having problems working with the desktop.  We would need more information about the problems the person is having but assuming the screen-reader is the main problem is unsupported without more information. 

 

I don't use Windows 10 and I can't help with such tasks.  But I've used many versions of Windows and many different screen-readers and if you know how to work with your version of Windows and with the programs you use, you can do a lot without much knowledge of the screen-reader in a lot of cases.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Yes but she cannot use anything because she cannot figure out how to use the screen reader and W10 then you use and so what works till you can do better. Something is better than nothing! It sounds like she has nothing at this point. So I would use what I was use to and could use till I could do better.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: Windows Ten Confusion

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

HMMM, 40 minutes is not long, at all. OK, emagine yourself. You get quite a lo of mail. so, are you saying, restarting the compute computer just because you've read some emails? Or what if you're writing something and JAWS quits? I won't bring games into this.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

On 18 Nov 2015, at 11:42 p.m., Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Don’t think so 40 minutes is a long time. If you are trying to learn you need to take a break once a hour and stretch and so on any how . Get your mind relaxed and come back fresh! But like I say if she cannot get help for some reason with We and she is not going to use NVDA then all she has is a screen reader and computer that has become a brick! Use what works till you can do better! Not saying using jaws forever like this just saying do it till you can do better! To me this just makes common sense!

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I agree.  And having to reboot every 40 minutes is not only inconvenient, but it might also discourage someone who is just beginning to learn how to use a new version of Windows.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It isn't reinventing the wheel.  You have to learn something about the new screen-reader but, until you get to advanced computer work, much of what you need to learn is Windows.  You need to learn something about the screen-reader but if you know Windows, you can do a lot without knowing a lot about whatever screen-reader you use.  Using a demo just to avoid learning something about a different screen-reader makes no sense.  Paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade JAWS just to avoid learning something about a new screen-reader makes no sense. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

well, she is use to jaws that is what she used before I don't understand re-inventing the wheel. I was her I would go back to jaws even if it was the demo of it.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin.christensen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20 AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).

http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au
Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app, RapiTap!

On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
> uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
> nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
> any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
> Thanks
>
> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to
>> get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for
>> advice and/or instructions.
>>
>> Monni, the coffee gal
>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>
>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>








Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Don’t think so 40 minutes is a long time. If you are trying to learn you need to take a break once a hour and stretch and so on any how . Get your mind relaxed and come back fresh! But like I say if she cannot get help for some reason with We and she is not going to use NVDA then all she has is a screen reader and computer that has become a brick! Use what works till you can do better! Not saying using jaws forever like this just saying do it till you can do better! To me this just makes common sense!

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I agree.  And having to reboot every 40 minutes is not only inconvenient, but it might also discourage someone who is just beginning to learn how to use a new version of Windows.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It isn't reinventing the wheel.  You have to learn something about the new screen-reader but, until you get to advanced computer work, much of what you need to learn is Windows.  You need to learn something about the screen-reader but if you know Windows, you can do a lot without knowing a lot about whatever screen-reader you use.  Using a demo just to avoid learning something about a different screen-reader makes no sense.  Paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade JAWS just to avoid learning something about a new screen-reader makes no sense. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

well, she is use to jaws that is what she used before I don't understand re-inventing the wheel. I was her I would go back to jaws even if it was the demo of it.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin.christensen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20 AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).

http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au
Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app, RapiTap!

On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
> uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
> nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
> any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
> Thanks
>
> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to
>> get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for
>> advice and/or instructions.
>>
>> Monni, the coffee gal
>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>
>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>








Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Armando Maldonado
 

For the price of jaws, and their bad tech support, might as well purchase a mac or stick with either NVDA or window-eyes for Office.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Well, don't think so but never know. The thing about it if it don't work they will lose their customer base! I more as now more worry about price and customer service and support more than anything else.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor [mailto:victorelawrence@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:31 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, they call it a merge but it is really being sold and bought out!
You can say what you want or call it what you want but if it walks
like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a
duck! They are indeed being bought out! See link to podcast below.



http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast117-Freedom
_Scien
tific_Optelec_Merger.mp3





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com




Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Victor
 

Good point. We all should worry about that.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, don't think so but never know. The thing about it if it don't work
they will lose their customer base! I more as now more worry about price and
customer service and support more than anything else.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor [mailto:victorelawrence@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:31 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this yesterday. I
hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, they call it a merge but it is really being sold and bought out!
You can say what you want or call it what you want but if it walks
like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a
duck! They are indeed being bought out! See link to podcast below.



http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast117-Freedom
_Scien
tific_Optelec_Merger.mp3





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com










Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Gene
 

You are making unsupported assumptions.  You are assuming the screen-reader is the issue.  it may only be a minor one and even if JAWS were being used, the person might have almost as much trouble.  The main problems the person is having may be such things as knowing how to find and open programs in Windows 10.  She may be having problems understanding the start menu and perhaps she is having problems working with the desktop.  We would need more information about the problems the person is having but assuming the screen-reader is the main problem is unsupported without more information. 
 
I don't use Windows 10 and I can't help with such tasks.  But I've used many versions of Windows and many different screen-readers and if you know how to work with your version of Windows and with the programs you use, you can do a lot without much knowledge of the screen-reader in a lot of cases.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

Yes but she cannot use anything because she cannot figure out how to use the screen reader and W10 then you use and so what works till you can do better. Something is better than nothing! It sounds like she has nothing at this point. So I would use what I was use to and could use till I could do better.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Matt
 

Well, don't think so but never know. The thing about it if it don't work they will lose their customer base! I more as now more worry about price and customer service and support more than anything else.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor [mailto:victorelawrence@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:31 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, they call it a merge but it is really being sold and bought out!
You can say what you want or call it what you want but if it walks
like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a
duck! They are indeed being bought out! See link to podcast below.



http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast117-Freedom
_Scien
tific_Optelec_Merger.mp3





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com




Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Not if it is not working for her and she cannot find help! What good is a screen reader and computer if you cannot use it. You mind as well have a brick setting in front of you. Use what works till you can do better!

You all wouldn’t be seeing Dollars in your eyes would you? Smile!

 

 

 

From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:30 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Hello,

Agree with Gene. Rebooting after 40 minutes, just for the sake of it, is not practicle. Besides, she might as well get used to what she has, but is not a demo, rather than a demo jaws.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 


On 18 Nov 2015, at 11:26 p.m., Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Yes but she cannot use anything because she cannot figure out how to use the screen reader and W10 then you use and so what works till you can do better. Something is better than nothing! It sounds like she has nothing at this point. So I would use what I was use to and could use till I could do better.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








Re: Muffled Jaws

Matt
 

Try the demo of Jaws 17 and see what happens! Also see if it happens with other screen readers like NVDA or WE. It could be your version of Jaws. If it comes to that then try a repair or un install of jaws and re install of jaws. If then this don’t work then it is an issue with that jaws and something on the computer. Has this just started or has it been an ongoing thing?

 

 

 

From: Marsha via Groups.io [mailto:marcatony@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:13 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Muffled Jaws

 

Hi

   I hope someone can help me with this problem.  Sometimes, without warning, Jaws will either completely stop talking or become so muffled I can no longer understand.  It also returns with out warning.  I have tried this with both versions of Jaws on the computer.  I am using Windows 7 64 with either Jaws 14 or 15.  Does anyone have any clues as to why this is happening?  If I am using Winamp to read a book, there doesn’t seem to be a problem.  Thanks for any help. 

 

Marsha


Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Victor
 

I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this
yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, they call it a merge but it is really being sold and bought out! You
can say what you want or call it what you want but if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck! They are
indeed being bought out! See link to podcast below.



http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast117-Freedom_Scien
tific_Optelec_Merger.mp3





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com




Re: Windows Ten Confusion

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
Agree with Gene. Rebooting after 40 minutes, just for the sake of it, is not practicle. Besides, she might as well get used to what she has, but is not a demo, rather than a demo jaws.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

On 18 Nov 2015, at 11:26 p.m., Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:

Yes but she cannot use anything because she cannot figure out how to use the screen reader and W10 then you use and so what works till you can do better. Something is better than nothing! It sounds like she has nothing at this point. So I would use what I was use to and could use till I could do better.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Yes but she cannot use anything because she cannot figure out how to use the screen reader and W10 then you use and so what works till you can do better. Something is better than nothing! It sounds like she has nothing at this point. So I would use what I was use to and could use till I could do better.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It doesn't make sense to continue to use JAWS unless she is willing to pay for a JAWS upgrade if she qualifies.  Either Window-eyes or NVDA make more sense to use if the person doesn't want to spend the money.  Window-eyes is free if she has a recent version of Microsoft office or perhaps just Microsoft Word, I don't recall the details.  NVDA is free under all conditions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Ok, I would be willing to help if she would download Jaws Demo and I could tendon her! She would have to give me a call or drop me an email to start the conversation. I could help with doing a jaws tendon.  Or anyone else could as well. Also if she has JFW there is training in all kind of format on the jaws site. So if she could go back to jaws even if it meant the demo. Since she started with Jaws I would stay with it as she knows it.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:27 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She had windows xp and used jaws before.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> What has the person done before?  Has she used an earlier version of
> Windows or more than one version?  What screen-reader has she used, if
> any.  If you can provide some information of this sort, it might help
> the list tailor its advice.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
> She hasn't joined any lists because she hasn't been able to use her email.
>
> On 11/18/15, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@...> wrote:
>> My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes
>> for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific
>> instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with
>> Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20
>> AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).
>>
>> http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> --
>> 22 Point
>>
>> Web: http://www.22point.com.au
>> Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app,
>> RapiTap!
>>
>> On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
>>> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and
>>> she uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she
>>> knows nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is
>>> there any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>>>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>>>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>>>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
>>>> help just in case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>>>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>>>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>>>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say
>>>> to get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks
>>>> for advice and/or instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Monni, the coffee gal
>>>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>>>
>>>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Totally agree you have to put food on the table as well!

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I realize it and I also realize the amount of work that goes into producing such material.  In my case, in the various presentations and the one tutorial I've done, I tend to spend something like an hour or two of work to get half an hour's material in its final form.  And if producing such material is the person's main source of income, the person has the right to a reasonable return.  I'm not saying other good material does not exist.  But this is very good teaching material and people should know what is available so they can make a choice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Hmm, my blind Services here in Florida was just great! They even hire and mostly hire Blind people to teach. But yes nothing wrong with paying something reasonable but you have to realize most don’t have a job and the only income is something like SSI that is usually way below 1000 bucks a month to live on! So paying too much is not an option ! the first thing that comes is household things like : rent, or house payment, then lights and water and electricity and then trash and then some kind of phone and then your healthcare and food and so on . then things like internet service and so on . So there is not a lot you can do with usually way less than 1000 bucks unless you are staying with a parent that is footing the bill.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

My impression is that training quality varies widely from state to state and from agency to agency.  High quality material, prepared well and distributed by a small business is worth the price.  People may not be able to afford or they may not want to pay it.  But it is a resource worth knowing about. 

 

I have no objection to free resources but I wouldn't assume that state agencies will provide the quality of training you can get from Access Technology Institute.  I expect that Hadley has good material as well and it's free.  If it were me and I wanted free material, Hadley would be one of the first places I would investigate.  If the person already knows Windows and knows something about Window-eyes, then podcasts done by blind people demonstrating Windows 10 may be all or mostly all that is needed.  I'll leave it to others to discuss such podcasts and where they can be found. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When there is lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida they the blind services has a branch that is part of them that does nothing but train people on computers and devices and brail and so on.  You don’t have to have a job! Or even be looking for one! The service is free. They also buy equipment for you if you are going to school or in a job and need help with it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to help for free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help her out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if she lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough to get around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a learning curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say something like three months or month. If she likes it they have a payment plan now FS does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that can probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was first learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two for whenever I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?  Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

It's somewhat expensive, however.  I think the book on Windows 10 and Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.

 

One place to look for free material is the Hadley School.  I don't know specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.

 

Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual boot you
> will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS installer but just in
> case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>
>
>
>
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>
>
>
> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
>
> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see an
> option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to get some
> kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for advice and/or
> instructions.
>
> Monni, the coffee gal
> Twitter, @Monni52
>
> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>
>
>
>


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

She can run the demo of Jaws I know it is not the best solution but it might be better than what she has till she can do better!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon [mailto:asg1241@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

She has the free window eyes with microsoft offfice and I doubt she will pay for jaws and she has tried nvda before and didn't like it.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I realize it and I also realize the amount of work that goes into
producing such material. In my case, in the various presentations and
the one tutorial I've done, I tend to spend something like an hour or
two of work to get half an hour's material in its final form. And if
producing such material is the person's main source of income, the
person has the right to a reasonable return. I'm not saying other good material does not exist.
But this is very good teaching material and people should know what is
available so they can make a choice.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:49 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion


Hmm, my blind Services here in Florida was just great! They even hire
and mostly hire Blind people to teach. But yes nothing wrong with
paying something reasonable but you have to realize most don’t have a
job and the only income is something like SSI that is usually way
below 1000 bucks a month to live on! So paying too much is not an
option ! the first thing that comes is household things like : rent,
or house payment, then lights and water and electricity and then trash
and then some kind of phone and then your healthcare and food and so
on . then things like internet service and so on . So there is not a
lot you can do with usually way less than 1000 bucks unless you are staying with a parent that is footing the bill.





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



My impression is that training quality varies widely from state to
state and from agency to agency. High quality material, prepared well
and distributed by a small business is worth the price. People may
not be able to afford or they may not want to pay it. But it is a resource worth knowing about.



I have no objection to free resources but I wouldn't assume that state
agencies will provide the quality of training you can get from Access
Technology Institute. I expect that Hadley has good material as well
and it's free. If it were me and I wanted free material, Hadley would
be one of the first places I would investigate. If the person already
knows Windows and knows something about Window-eyes, then podcasts
done by blind people demonstrating Windows 10 may be all or mostly all
that is needed. I'll leave it to others to discuss such podcasts and where they can be found.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When
there is lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida
they the blind services has a branch that is part of them that does
nothing but train people on computers and devices and brail and so on.
You don’t have to have a job! Or even be looking for one! The service
is free. They also buy equipment for you if you are going to school or
in a job and need help with it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to
help for free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help
her out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if
she lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough
to get around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a
learning curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial
version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say
something like three months or month. If she likes it they have a
payment plan now FS does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that
can probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was
first learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two
for whenever I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.



From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?
Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

http://www.blind.training/

It's somewhat expensive, however. I think the book on Windows 10 and
Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.



One place to look for free material is the Hadley School. I don't
know specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.



Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited
help just in case.





<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com> Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to
get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for
advice and/or instructions.

Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones





Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Matt
 

Hmm, will not touch that one with a 10 foot pole!

 

 

 

From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geodom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:10 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Well, good for you in Florida.  In New York, which is where I am, we’re not necessarily so lucky.  Pam.

 

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When there is lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida they the blind services has a branch that is part of them that does nothing but train people on computers and devices and brail and so on.  You don’t have to have a job! Or even be looking for one! The service is free. They also buy equipment for you if you are going to school or in a job and need help with it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to help for free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help her out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if she lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough to get around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a learning curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say something like three months or month. If she likes it they have a payment plan now FS does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that can probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was first learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two for whenever I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?  Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

It's somewhat expensive, however.  I think the book on Windows 10 and Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.

 

One place to look for free material is the Hadley School.  I don't know specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.

 

Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual boot you
> will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS installer but just in
> case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>
>
>
>
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>
>
>
> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
>
> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see an
> option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to get some
> kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for advice and/or
> instructions.
>
> Monni, the coffee gal
> Twitter, @Monni52
>
> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>
>
>
>


Re: More W10 questions

Matt
 

Ok, will check that out .


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:53 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

You could also try my package for enabling Windows Mail.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mrisyydcwqedpbw/Windows%20Mail.zip?dl=1
It works in Windows 10 and Windows Mail is basically just a newer version of
Outlook Express. If you decide to try it, just select the batch script for
Windows 10, press the Applications key, and choose "Run as administrator"
from the context menu. Make sure to run the script as administrator or it
won't work. According to at least one other user, they had to copy the
folder to the desktop before the "Run as administrator"
option would appear on the context menu. Although I don't recall
experiencing this problem myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions


Hmm, so he don't have no authorization from MS to take their stuff and
re work it and charge for it ? Even though it a donation I think any
court in the world would say he has broken the golden rule. I really
thanks for the help but I think I will stay away from this!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

It has no official support from Microsoft. LOL that was my question
as well. The author seems to justify charging because he labels it a
donation, but of course a donation is voluntary so this doesn't really
qualify in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions


Well, this is interesting. So did someone pick this up from MS and
keep it going? Just wondering how they can sell it otherwise? Thanks
will keep this if I decide to go this way.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:36 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

The latest version of Outlook Express for Windows 7 and later
requires a donation of $10 to receive installation keys. You can
donate and download the installer here,
http://www.runasxp.com/forum-2.html
but you will have to register on the forum to donate and access the
download link. There is a captcha which you can resolve with
WebVisum/Firefox. Or you can download the last completely free
version from my Dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8dzd63tcftsk0y/oe6_1.6.7.exe?dl=1
The installation is pretty straight forward, but you should make sure
to select the installation file, press the Applications key, and
choose "Run as administrator"
from the context menu. Make sure that the "Patch Protected Storage
Service"
checkbox is checked which you will see during the installation process.
You
should also reboot after the installation is complete. Note that in
Windows
10 I received an error about some DLLs not being properly registered
or installed, but despite this fact it still worked fine for me at
least. If you are running Jaws, you may also want to install my
modified Outlook Express scripts.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhit8i1uiud69q5/OutlookExpressJAWSScripts.z
i
p?dl=1 They will prevent Jaws from using the scripts for Windows Mail
as it would do by default which in turn provides better functionality.
Instructions for installing the scripts are included in the ReadMe
file.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions


Well have not tried that one yet. But mail on W10 stinks.
Thunderbird is not much better. I guess this is from using outlook for
so long.
So any one know if there is any way to use outlook Express on W10?
If so Where in the world would you get it from?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie [mailto:magpie.mn@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

I have been using WLM for at least 5 years, it is free and I find it
very easy to use.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:45 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

Outlook2016 did not know there was one I thought 2013 was the latest.
But looking for something Free if possible.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Armando Vias [mailto:armando.l.vias@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:38 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] More W10 questions

Well, there is outlook 2016 that will probably run on Windows 10.
I haven't tried Windows 10.
--
Armando Vias: Admin of the TechTips Mailing List To join the list,
send an email to
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Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Pamela Dominguez
 

Well, good for you in Florida.  In New York, which is where I am, we’re not necessarily so lucky.  Pam.
 

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 

70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When there is lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida they the blind services has a branch that is part of them that does nothing but train people on computers and devices and brail and so on.  You don’t have to have a job! Or even be looking for one! The service is free. They also buy equipment for you if you are going to school or in a job and need help with it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to help for free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help her out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if she lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough to get around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a learning curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say something like three months or month. If she likes it they have a payment plan now FS does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?

 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that can probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was first learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two for whenever I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?  Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

It's somewhat expensive, however.  I think the book on Windows 10 and Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.

 

One place to look for free material is the Hadley School.  I don't know specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.

 

Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual boot you
> will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS installer but just in
> case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>
>
>
>
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>
>
>
> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
>
> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see an
> option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to get some
> kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for advice and/or
> instructions.
>
> Monni, the coffee gal
> Twitter, @Monni52
>
> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>
>
>
>


Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Matt
 

Well, they call it a merge but it is really being sold and bought out! You can say what you want or call it what you want but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck! They are indeed being bought out! See link to podcast below.

 

http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast117-Freedom_Scientific_Optelec_Merger.mp3

 

 

Matt.from.florida@...

 


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Amy Gordon
 

She has the free window eyes with microsoft offfice and I doubt she
will pay for jaws and she has tried nvda before and didn't like it.

On 11/18/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I realize it and I also realize the amount of work that goes into producing
such material. In my case, in the various presentations and the one
tutorial I've done, I tend to spend something like an hour or two of work to
get half an hour's material in its final form. And if producing such
material is the person's main source of income, the person has the right to
a reasonable return. I'm not saying other good material does not exist.
But this is very good teaching material and people should know what is
available so they can make a choice.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:49 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion


Hmm, my blind Services here in Florida was just great! They even hire and
mostly hire Blind people to teach. But yes nothing wrong with paying
something reasonable but you have to realize most don’t have a job and the
only income is something like SSI that is usually way below 1000 bucks a
month to live on! So paying too much is not an option ! the first thing that
comes is household things like : rent, or house payment, then lights and
water and electricity and then trash and then some kind of phone and then
your healthcare and food and so on . then things like internet service and
so on . So there is not a lot you can do with usually way less than 1000
bucks unless you are staying with a parent that is footing the bill.





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



My impression is that training quality varies widely from state to state and
from agency to agency. High quality material, prepared well and distributed
by a small business is worth the price. People may not be able to afford or
they may not want to pay it. But it is a resource worth knowing about.



I have no objection to free resources but I wouldn't assume that state
agencies will provide the quality of training you can get from Access
Technology Institute. I expect that Hadley has good material as well and
it's free. If it were me and I wanted free material, Hadley would be one of
the first places I would investigate. If the person already knows Windows
and knows something about Window-eyes, then podcasts done by blind people
demonstrating Windows 10 may be all or mostly all that is needed. I'll
leave it to others to discuss such podcasts and where they can be found.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When there is
lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida they the
blind services has a branch that is part of them that does nothing but train
people on computers and devices and brail and so on. You don’t have to have
a job! Or even be looking for one! The service is free. They also buy
equipment for you if you are going to school or in a job and need help with
it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to help for
free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help her
out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if she
lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough to get
around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a learning
curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial
version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say something
like three months or month. If she likes it they have a payment plan now FS
does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that can
probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was first
learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two for whenever
I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.



From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?
Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

http://www.blind.training/

It's somewhat expensive, however. I think the book on Windows 10 and
Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.



One place to look for free material is the Hadley School. I don't know
specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.



Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual boot
you
will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS installer but just in
case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.





<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com> Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion



Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see an
option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to get
some
kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for advice and/or
instructions.

Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones




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